Difference Between Force Recon And SEALs
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
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I miss my father. He was in the teams. REST IN PEACE Dad. We all miss you vary much. You went home on you're favorite day of the week. It was on a Thursday. Payday. Not a bad way to go dad. And not a bad day to see grandma and grandpa. We all miss you. You're gone now. But you're never forgotten.
Sam GrayEagle. Made his way home on January 5th. Thursday payday!! In the end he did great. Love you dad. Wish you were still here.....
You're dad is now the happy hunting grounds, GrayEagle sounds like a Indian name
@@avery5471 God I hope so. I had a dream the night before he died. He woke up in the clouds. He sees Saint Matthew trying to find his name in that huge book. His name is there. He starts dancing. He looks back at me and shouts out "SON, ILL SEE SOON!!!!" "WE ALL WILL SEE YOU SOON!" My grandfathers voice. Those gates open my father runs through like no more tomorrow. The brightness fades to dark. And I fall into despair. I my father and grandparents all say. "We well see you soon, son!" Of course I wake in my bedroom wishing I fell on my grandfathers world war M-1 garand bayonet. They all made it to the happy hunting grounds. But damn do I them. Death seems like only way to see them soon. I hope I dont make it pass 50. Their all waiting for me. I have asthma the worst kind. One day my lungs will no longer work the right way and I'll gasp fighting for air. My lungs will fail and I'll go to those happy hunting grounds too. God willing.
@@avery5471 I like you're video's by the way. I gotta admit it they take the pain away for awhile.
respect for your dad...your dad is a hero, if hes was still around i would be pleased if i had the honor of meeting him or saying at least...thank you for your service!
@@johnathangreay987Sorry for your loss Brother.
In the early 70's Force Recon trained WITH the Navy Seals. Same exact school SAME EXACT TIME. Most were there for UDT, but the same exact course as SEALS. At that time Force Recon training was 52 weeks of training all around and with other branches too. I was one of "Col. Gray's boys" (along with Captain Oliver North) at Camp Hansen Okinawa. Gray got his first star and lead the evacuation of South Vietnam in 1975, and later became the Commandant.
Anyone who puts down the USMC Force Recon doesn't have a clue what we do, and from the comments here; none of you do.
In the gulf wars when you watching smart bombs hitting their targets with precision, it was USMC Force Recon lighting them up with lasers. You better believe they clanked when they walked -balls of titanium! Just like the SEALs in their own combat environment.
So in the Gulf wars USAF CCTs and JTACs were sitting on there hands? First Marine ground troops arrived in Afghanistan 25 November 2001 while U.S. Air Force CCT/JTAC Special Tactics teams were calling down death and destruction since 14 Oct 2001. 85% of all air strikes in Operation Enduring Freedom were called in by Air Force Combat Controllers.
@@mountaingem6 Totally off topic. I never said anything about air force. But go ahead and hijack the thread for some sympathy attention, since you're so desperate for it. I will say this: I never saw any air force lasing the targets on the ground so their so called "smart bombs" would actually hit their designated targets. As for air force carpet bombing with B52's and the like, I have seen that indiscriminate destruction raining "down death and destruction" on civilians; men women and children done all over earth in every war. THAT is a BARBERIC USE OF FORCE.
Explain DRESDEN you Neanderthals. EVERYONE DIED in tornadic fireballs, even the streets melted!
I’m not putting force recon down at all, but can you genuinely answer this question do they even see combat anymore? They have had no combat deployment in over 10 years and even members of force recon have stated that they sit on a ship for six months at a time while the Rangers and the Navy SEALs take on all the missions. Sometimes I feel like it’s a waste of taxpayers dollars to even have them but again I’m not disrespecting I’m just curious maybe you can chime in
@@offspringfan1288 Force Recon. is still important. They may not be getting the missions but when they are needed they are needed than. It takes quite awhile to train up a guy, so these guys need to be ready "just in case". Same thing like combat rescue and recovery. You may not be going out everyday but when your needed your needed now and must be at the top of your game.
The last line is a quote by General Hummel force tecon marines
Your are amazing helping out these young men .
Mr.Sniffles over there off camera sounds like he snortin' some extra circular objects.
He works in the White House it’s ok
He doesn’t do lines he does circles
@@sethwilliams8916bros on the spheres watchu talkin about
Force Recon Marines are top-notch. The best of the best.
@@offspringfan1288 shut the fuck up, so tired of hearing retards preach about stupid shit. They exist for a reason.
@@offspringfan1288their job is literally Reconnaissance. 😂 they gather intel more than anything else.
@@Johnnymack666lmao the marines haven’t been first in since WW1. Nice try though jarhead
Top notch Marines but not the best of the best. Its not possible to be on their budget and training opportunities.
@@alexandroszarbalas5149LOL! Another butt hurt wannabe 😂
Always great to get that positive affirmation from our SEAL brothers. SF/MF
I guess I didn’t hear the positive affirmation for your seal brothers. I just heard a former marine trying to help people understand marine special operations by comparing them to forces everyone knows about.
I was an infantryman in Vietnam, 101st airborne division, air mobile, 2nd/501st Infantry. A-Co. I understand I Might have had a young relative who was MARSOC . He was taking a hop from Lejeune to California. I’m not sure where. The propeller on the number two (left side) separated from the engine, and entered the fuselage at a supersonic speed , A dynamic vibration sliced the nose off of the C- 130 . I believe the plane crashed somewhere in Mississippi. It’s been a few years ago, although we’ve never met. I am so proud of him and all of his Fellow Marines.
Damn, Nick, haven’t seen you since way back in the day in Panama City!
Thank You for your Service !’
How do you detect a SEAL doing recon? Look 5ft in front of his publicist....Shooter at his feet.
😂😂😂😂
More marine books than seals keep hating
My Dad was in 1st Force Recon 62-66, he had all the same training, Navy dive school, San Diego, HELO School, ect. There first ops was doing ocean graphic surveys along the coast in 65’. His Company had a presidential extension before coming back state side. They took out UDT team 12 and 21 on ops to show them how to successfully operate. They only lost one man in there team in the two yrs. in country, RIP Cpl. Merrill. He has always said that they were getting all of the spec ops missions over the border into Laos and Cambodia at that time of the war.
Hydrographic surveys is what we call it. Semper Fi to your dad.
In BUD/s all special forces branches tried to get permission to attend BUD/s… we even had Korean SEALs in our class- but only NAVY PERSONNEL
MARSOC has essentially the same mission set as SF. Pretty cool.
Yep, I've always said if you take a green beret and give them a bit more maritime training, you get a MARSOC Marine.
True every recon marine I met is a great swimmer !! Lol
God bless thank you for your service
Guy. When I was in the Navy, we had both units on board my ship they both go through the same buds. The only difference is Navy SEALs has a movie force recon does not
😂 heartbreak ridge, generation kill, Major capers, Sniper.. I could go on. Plenty of movies about “recon”. And plenty more differences between them and seals too.
@@Mango10449 heartbreak ridge was Battalion Recon; totally different functions from Force: I was in both; Battalion first. One difference between USMC and Navy Operators is that many in Force Recon are smaller builds, but very smart, whereas the steroid boys (showboat SEALs) seemed to always lack PRUDENCE; favoring more "wild man tactics" versus Swift SILENT and Deadly Recon. I liked to blow shit up too, but most often we didn't get to; favoring tactics that didn't leave a signature that we were ever there. But that was a long several decades ago; I really cant speak about either Force or SEALs in this new century except to say I'm glad we have them both.
@@Mango10449heartbreak ridge was a terrible movie about recon, not force recon, generation kill was also about battalion recon, not force recon, and sniper was about, well, a sniper, again not force recon. I can't really think of any movie showing force recon. Battalion recon and force recon are not the same.
@@michaelcrowley7330the only media I’ve seen portray force recon directly has been the Punisher, where they reference his time as a force reconnaissance marine who eventually joins a CIA death team.
I'd die to be a Force Recon Marine...
It has been my lifetime dream.
I love lamp.
Nick, thanks for setting it straght
Watching HBOs Generation Kill is an eye opener
😂😂😂😂😂 foolish comment
That showed 1st Recon Battalion, not Force Recon though, and in the book, and movie, they performed very little actual reconnaissance, and no amphibious operations which is their bread and butter.
Damn, then Force must have upped their game since 1993. Fast Co. at that time was very intense.
Fast company guys were usually pretty good but they're just the best of Security Forces. We had lots of FAST guys come into the infantry battalion and most were decent infantrymen but they weren't trained nearly as intensely as recon or force recon guys.
Recon School nearly killed me ,my body was wiped out from other training and I had a harder time getting Recon patch
Patch? uh...ok...there isn't a patch.
@@scottfoster2639you said what I was thinking.
Marines don't wear patches
Army Recone School .
For the Army there is a patch shaped like an arrow head pointed down.
I’m 24 gonna go to infantry. Is 28 too old to be a recon marine or MARSOC
not at all. most SF are older fellas
24 in the infantry will save your ass I promise and from a guy that got a 115 on his gt score I can tell you being a bravo helps too. Marines are good in realizing who’s the cannon fodder and who’s important in their own squads so corpsemen and smarter marines don’t get thrown up front in the patrol.
If you have the heart you’re not too old. Get after it.
there was a video recently about a 40 yr old completing rasp and joining the 75th ranger regiment.
Not at all. You’ll have more maturity than your peers and that will pay dividends. Just keep training and have your body in tip top shape before you go. Former recon marine here, wish you the best.
One warfighter to another, it’s pretty badass being a MARSOC plank holder and going through what I agree is more akin to seals.
You probably know Flash. He’s a good Marine.
You’re lying and are a poser
Marsoc was developed to be the marine’s contribution to the SF community!! Pentagon’s orders!! We were happy with our marine expeditionary units, as I understand it 🤷♂️
Except for the whole being apart of JSOC part and doing a lot more of DA vs recon lol
i share this with don shipley
Who’s don shiplay?
@@Mango10449 ua-cam.com/video/0yNEUJs-6KI/v-deo.htmlsi=A1GMITlVuvQw6QAt
My cousin was a recon marine and he would go missing for months at a time and randomly come back 💀
Military life gets you into the habit of living light to maintain the ability to pack up and move at a moments notice. Took me 13 years to stop living a nomadic lifestyle. Just takes what time and maybe a small amount of counseling.
God I miss the Marine Corps
My understanding is that the Marine Raiders are the USMC “version” of special Forces, primarily force multipliers,so it would make sense that Marine Raiders and Green Berets would training very similar ways.
Yeah but their mission is different
@@bobbyallen7977 How do?
Raiders are grunts. I'm one. Alpha 1/4. It's a boat company. Marsoc is a separate unit that took over or absorbed Force recon in 07.
And then there are Army Rangers.
And RRC
RLTW
What about em?
@@bobrice5159they see combat. Recon doesn’t
@@offspringfan1288hahahahahaha.
Im currently training in the DEP and i plan on doing 0311 for 6 years then try out for recon and if i pass selection i might just finish the 20 in there
*every DEP shower sandal ever*
Why not just try for Recon first? You can prepare yourself while in DEP
Wow. He kept us free. Amazing
Cool long hair bro
Legal? Lawful? Assassin?
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Why?
Seriously, why?
CHICAGO ILLINOIS USA
Recon does everything seals do
Nick, what do your think about the usaf sof
Crazy force recon doesn’t fall
Under socom they should
Are Marines and Navy related? I always wondered about that.
Yes. Marines are DoN. They started when a need arose to have fights go ashore or board ships so that sailors could maintain ship handling and canon fire. Look up Tun Tavern.
CAG is waiting still
He should’ve said The Seals are more like Marine Recon!!!!! They’ve been around a lot longer!!!! SF!!!!!
Bruh… the SEALs were born out of the Navy’s UDT teams which have been around far longer than Recon.
Completely different mission sets hard to compare
No shit one is reconnaissance
Think about a lot of things
Marines are the best simply put, when it comes to slinging lead down range. Basic marine is a 3 day half a hell week, and that’s for their basic training!
But honestly I don’t recommend anyone going into the military when you get sold out every war, Korea sold out, Vietnam sold out, and now Iraq and Afghanistan! 20+’years at war! It’s all for the bankers!
I took the asvab got a 96, I’m an LVN, and I had an incident in my personal life and I was seriously going to sign an 18 x ray contract. But then I watched a documentary, and it really changed who I was or who I thought I wanted to be. Let’s just say it helped me find out who God is and his son Jesus Christ is real. If you want to fight and be in a war, pick up your cross and start preaching Jesus. Hardest thing you can ever do. You learn very quickly you do not fight flesh and blood, but spirits and principalities. However some people choose to reject Christ continue to be evil and need to be swiftly dealt with. God created all men, Samuel colt made them all equal!
He didn’t work with the Coast Guards SF
Rah! BRC 3-96
I missed all of that
All I can do is wish now
Who was the old guy in Iraq that was the Armour that made weapons out of the soviet weapons found ....he was an older guy (kinda mean old guy ) 😂 but he was an artisan in the Armour world I think he was a contract group
I pity all the Marine Raiders out there. Awesome dudes, best of the Marine Corps, and they have some good ass skills and training. But, they don't really have a specific role in SOCOM. All other SOCOM units have a specific role they can fulfill for the overall mission, but because Raiders are fairly new, they kind of are missing their own spot in it. They have similar functions to Green Berets, and some come from backgrounds of Recon that relate to SEAL missions, but neither are unique since we have, well, SEALs and GBs already. I wonder if the future of SOF will be a non branch specific job like the Raiders and invite everyone in the military. Honestly thatd be cool, just have every SOCOM unit be non-branch specific.
Coronado has expanded, look at the base in the 80 s look at it today. It's double the size to train up Marines. The original job of Seals was to do overwatch on Marines and keep them safe. Clearing beach fronts as SAR swimmers in WW2 landing crafts could get them in the fight without drowning first 🔱💪🇺🇸
I was a Marine training at Coronado in the mid 90's. I think we had a platoon size group. Sounds like things have expanded.
Yeah, I hate cold water.
Ooh Rah baby
Dann you got the same cold as me in the background sniff
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Similar, but, different.
Exactly. But deserving comparison due to there being more navy propaganda
Maybe it's because SF guys literally designed MARSOC's pipeline
I love how marines love to say they are equal to SF or Seal level😂😂😂
Marines aren't Divas like Navy Seals are though.
You sound like someone who’s never served with that statement lmao. Marines are more full of themselves with large fragile egos.
Semper fi 8th and I
You so wrong....i was in the navy....one of my friends was in marine recon....he said you literally don't do any training....he joined the navy and went to seal training...he wanted to be in the thick of it
Marines in the comments jumping on the “were just like navy seals” bandwagon 😂
Just like cav
Marcinko is that you?
rICKY
Any info on training for reconnaissance 0321 Marine corps? I leave sep 25th for regular marine bootcamp
@NickKoumalatsos82 good words brother!
All schools outside of initial selection are Army schools🤷
Ooooooh rahhhhh
I think any Seal and Don Shipley would disagree with this. Nobody is on the Seals level.
Nothing can compare to the Marine Corps Infantry.
Says a person who served both infantry branches, right?
Lol
Yup that’s why the marines go to army infantry after their first contract
Rah
I went to visit my friend at camp Horno. I was with the 11th Marines. I remember being there thinking they had to put up with some bullshit. Someone always getting an attitude or just angry about bullshit. I was okay with being a POG.
Awesome video... "Operator," 💂 I would think the SEALS n RECON... Would be a little similar. They are both of the US Navy... And i am a former USMC
Speshul operashuns
That’s hrandon berrera
Recon ≠SEAL
What about Air Force spec ops?
They're SF but... From what I've seen they're very similar to a regular airborne soldier. Which is why other branches would be popular for filling their ranks. Ie higher pass rate coming from army or marine schools.
Is part of the selection process growing a bad ass beard?
Here's the test Gentlemen. I need an 0-1 that has never been through any pipeline to say "Can your entire platoon shave and report to my Office?"
Whoever reports without a phone call back is The Surperior Special Forces Service.
Edit: You'll need Donald Trump personally when that Marmaluke sword comes down when the phone calls come in.
yea, but they are bad asses
Recons better
I thought green beret's train marsock Marines
….and Marine Raider is what then ?
Marsoc is the marine raiders
He said marsoc is a mix of recon & ArmySF
Do all SF guys get to choose their own camouflage and gear.?
No
I used to wear clear cammies so no one could see me
You worked with every NAVY BASED sof
He said every SOF, why would heblie and how would you know what he did?
Do you get disciplined in SF for using the wrong pronouns these days ?
As a. Former. Seal& GreenBeret. What you. Want to be is. A. Total PACKAGE. DEAL. FIRST. FOREMOST. SMART. THEN IN. WORLD. CLASS. SHAPE. THEY WILL. FINISH YOU.
Yeaaa you weren’t either of those and you type like an idiot with all caps and too many periods.
Is. That. A. Fact?
Do you know the only thing they don’t talk about? Ranger Regiment.
Νικολα οταν κερδισετε κανα πολεμο πες το και σε εμας
Do whatever makes you feel like you could have been a seal dude
Gotta hand it to the Marines for the legwork they do to show the world that they too can be special…
The marine culture (do as I say RAHHHHH SCARY) will always keep those guys basic. Doesn’t matter if they’re retrofitting guys with ‘new’ equipment and Velcro to look like the SF teams in other branches… Not to say that there aren’t some absolute heavy hitters in the Marines… poor guys would probably blossom and operate at their fullest potential and would most likely find more opportunities leaving the marines and transferring to the army or navy for those all star teams.
This isn’t a dig at the marines by any means…. My point is - since their inception, they’ve been a brute force instrument and not a precision tool…
Something tells me that SGT’s and below would be too afraid to make a decision on an operation - so…. how effective is that.?. And I guarantee that’s why they aren’t recognized by the pentagon as anything special - other than I’m sure their training is tough. They’ve always been beasts - but outside the box thinkers who can also rock PT is who the American taxpayer wants to call special forces.
Department of the Navy, Marines...
Yes.. the MEN'S department of the Navy
Semper Fi!
I almost did raiders. I decided not to because I got lazy asf
@BasketballEditz1738 shut the fuck up🙄 I simply finished up active duty and did not want to go back. It actually wasn't about me being lazy
Honestly I want to but I really don’t want to break my body just to be “cool”
@@CryBabyJay999 that too
@@CryBabyJay999don’t worry it’s not for you
just pay to get tier 1 or 2 training , don't join any government unless u wanna die poor
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Special training to go loose to 3rd world military
Lol no
this guy was former marsoc, what did you do?
No what? Nothing he said was off base. Force is a dually insert qualified DA/SR force that do the majority of their training & ops in the maritime & amphibious domain just like the SEALs.
No! 🐸 is 🐸.. Recon is Recon . Both has it place .
He didn't say they are the same. He said how they train and how you become recon is the MOST SIMILAR to how you become a SEAL.
🤣🤣🤣
And no one cares...News Flash Wars over...your not special anymore..
You're not the brightest, are you?
I'm bout to make folks mad but 3rd group from Bragg are the baddest fuckers on the planet
What do ya think itll be like when you have to fight a Real ARMY not FARMERs in sandles
Farmers in sandals are way harder to fight than real armies lol. Real armies can't blend into the local population after taking potshots at you.
There is no real military on this planet that can compete with the United States military. We have the tech and the tactics and the badasses willing to bring death to the enemy. The rest of the world can't touch us.
But no one can beat farmers in sandals lol. Even here in the US, when we finally need to overthrow the government in a few decades, farmers in (probably boots) will get the job done.
You think the Taliban are just farmers in sandals? You need to do some actual research. Most of the guys who have fought the Taliban would rather fight Russian/Chinese soldiers. Those Taliban fighters are tough motherf***ers who had previously been trained by the best to fight against the Soviets. Those fighters have small unit tactics memorized front to back.
Kinda like fighting back your moms fatass
In the Gulf war recon wasn’t fighting farmers. my pops has a picture of them capturing over 20 Iraqis in middle of the desert of Kuwait.
Nice hair princess, marsoc is wannabe s