Gandalf the white did have some amazing lines, though. That speech about death with pippin is a tear jerker, and his speech at the Grey Havens is just magnificent. I enjoy Gandalf the Grey more, though.
Gandalf the White was probably written and edited by Tolkien to have that difference of personality, reflecting him being allowed more access to his memories of his true identity and full powers after remaining true to his assignment, unlike Saruman.
Gandaf the white had a different mission to gandalf the grey. The white wizard was the leader of the istari and it was his job to take more direct action and lead the other istari in the fight against sauron, while the grey wizard's job was to inspire hope and guide people, which is why saruman was given more power by the gods themselves and why grey gandalf's actions were more limited than his white self. Saruman was the white wizard and was replaced by gandalf, hence the line "i am saruman, or saruman as he should be". Basically gandalf got promoted and now does upper management tasks while saruman was fired for abusing his upper management status.
@@marvincebulla1467 well... After the ents captured isengard, saruman and wormtongue escaped and travelled to the shire and took over the place. When the hobbits finally returned to the shire after the war of the ring they banded together and overthrew saruman. And then shortly after wormtongue stabs him in the back like he did in the movie. Saruman dies, but not really, since maiars cant truly die. Instead, just like sauron after the ring was destroyed, they are powerless spirits stripped of their power no longer capable of taking physical form left to wander for eternity.
They may not have liked the character transition from grey to white, but I think both Ian McKellen and Peter Jackson did what they had to for the character and the story. Gandalf the Grey was very warm and got things started, but Gandalf the White was the upgrade that was needed to defeat Sauramon and ultimately rescue Frodo and Sam from Mt Doom after the destruction of the One Ring.
The thing is, Gandalf the White, is supposed to be perfect. As the LotR saga is based on catholic belief, Gandalf the Grey lived for others and died for others fighting the Balrog. He was then judged by Iluvitar (God) and was granted a holy glorious body in resurrection capable of many great feats, becoming Gandalf the White, as he has no more evil or imperfection dwelling in him. Gandalf himself states that even if his power is immense, it does not come from him, but from Iluvitar. He is merely a catalyst for Iluvitar's grace in the world and all things are given to him by Iluvitar. Gandalf the White represents the role of the righteous in the End of Time, in Catholic belief.
And Gandalf the Grey already was one of the most powerful beings known to man. In the guise of the Istari (wizards) he was one of the -Maiar- Ainur of old, the most powerful beings in existence bar Ilúvatar himself! But, as Saruman mentioned, perhaps Gandalf (Olórin in his youth) had spent a few too many years among the common folk, indulging in the peculiar habit of smoking pipeweed from the land of the Halflings! 😅 Being resurrected by Ilúvatar to finish the daunting task that was placed upon him, his focus was also renewed. 😊
Gandalf is a Maia, a lesser Ainur, in essence and function equivalent to what we call an angel in Judaism and Christianity. Sounds like McKellan and Jackson don’t like holy and blessed beings. I’m not super surprised at that.
Ummm, I love them both personally. I’m aware of their differences but don’t really care. I was always just happy to have Gandalf back in whatever form. 🥰
They each have their own merits, so it's impossible for me to choose a favorite. I like Gray's sense of humor more "down to earth" nature. I like Gandalph the white as a much better adversary in battle & his renewed power were instrumental in helping to defeat the enemy. But in both forms he was kind of hot headed, but was still kind hearted. I guess it comes down to it, I would enjoy the companionship of Gray, but would choose white as more of an effective leader. Either way, they would never have defeated Sauron without both of them.
Latest report is that he is expected to make a speedy recovery and is in good spirits. 85 years old and still doing fighting on stage! He’s amazing. 👏🏼
Thank you for sharing that! I do hope & pray for a full recovery. Do you know if he broke anything? (bones). At his age, it is harder for the body to deal with injuries. He'll be in my prayers. 🙏
When he fell, he screamed, “My arms; my arms,” according to the Daily Mail. I don’t know if they were broken or badly bruised. Glad to know he’s going to make a quick recovery. A fall at his age is difficult for anyone. I couldn’t image how tough it was to trip over scenery and fall over the edge of the stage ( while performing). That sort of fall could do major damage.
@@rileydavidson207 yeh I agree with that on the whole. The two versions of Gandalf _do_ have differences, I just don’t think they are anywhere near as different in the movies as in the books 🤷♀️ edit: I love both incarnations of Gandalf but if I had to pick a favourite I guess I’d pick the Grey, he feels warmer
While I agree, I still feel like this was the only (and best) way to write this character. Going from Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White is such a MASSIVE upgrade, that it only makes sense that his personality also got upgraded. Don't forget, that wizards are technically minor gods called Maiar in this universe, and the higher ranking they are, the more god-like they get. Gandalf the Grey is a mostly positive character with huge flaws, which overall make him sort of morally grey. While Gandalf the White is an even more positive character with less flaws that make him morally white. See how that plays out? It's all so logical and well put together. Honestly, I'm in constant awe on how complex and well-made Tolkien's world is.
Keeping in mind how the Maiar are like at 10% power when they show up first and when Gandalf comes back he’s at like… idk 33% power it makes sense. Keep in mind no wizard has been show on screen (so far) at full power. They were nerfed by the gods to make them more relatable to the free people (and thus viewers.)
Ian said it in an interview years ago. GTW was superfocused on defeating Sauron that he almost forgot his humane qualities whereas GTG was empathic, humorous and full of compassion.
If memory serves, when Gandalf was restored to his form, he was imbued with higher knowledge than his grey counterpart and was, in fact, somewhat more than the other Maiar. Fitting that McKellan was uncomfortable with him as McKellan is a reasonably humble man.
Grey: “Why the halfling? I guess it’s because I’m scared, and they bring me courage. White: “Its only a matter of time before Frodo is found. I have sent him to his death. Sauron will not take the bait.”
I think Gandalf the grey was more mysterious, he looked like a simple fellow, yet in the time of need he fought the balrog. He is my favourite character BTW.
Gandalf the grey is the chill old man who is going to sit with you and give you the best advice. Gandalf the white is the seasoned old veteran who will lead you and inspire you to face your problems head on.
I've read the Lord of the rings books and even in the book when he becomes gandalf the White you can see the change in character he becomes a higher being and doesn't seem to have the down-to-earth Father figure feeling like he does when he is gandalf the grey so for me it's gray all the way
it fits a little better in the book as well, since Saruman became Saruman the many coloured as a way to transcend his original purpose, so that in a way freed up the title of "the white". Gandalf the White then sort of became what Saruman was meant to be, thats how I interpret it anyway
Well, yeah, but that's because he was closer to what he originally was as Olorin and he somewhat loses the familiarity and bonds he created over thousands of years as Gandalf the Grey due to literally falling out of time for a very long time so his body could be reformed in short order.
I fully understand what they mean, I loved the grey's weakness and his doubts. But they had to tell the true story and Peter and Ian did a great job with Gandalf the white. Yes, it was very sad to lose the grey, but the white wasn't that bad. 😉
I remember first reading the chapter The White Rider in The Two Towers. Gandalf the White was such an injection of hope and determination after the Breaking of the Fellowship and not knowing what happens to Merry and Pippin.
I like both his forms. Because “when you know better you do better” and Gandalf had learned a lot as grey, and he evolved into someone who knew more, so he held himself to a higher standard.
Gandalf the grey and white are both the same character, however Gandalf the White is more of a fresh slate since he’s essentially been reborn. He’s lost a few traits probably due to memory loss but it’s also because he’s been pushed into the role of a general as well. No time for silliness in times of war.
Gandalf had one of most memorable transformations in all of cinema. I’m still reading through the books so I can’t attest to the literature. But they are one and the same, and very different. It’s a beautiful story.
How could he be less human? The conversation he has with merry, to relieve someone's fear of the end , is the most human thing anyone could do in such a Time
But he's described in the books as being quicker to laugh and quicker to anger in the books, if I recall right, I venture they just weren't as confident about portraying Gandalf the White.
Gandalf the white brought us one of the best dialogues in the entire Trilogy. Gandalf and Pippin in the battle of minas tirith. „White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise..“ LIKE DUUUUDEEEEE
It doesn’t really help the fact they dumbed Gandalf the White down a lot for the films. Like in The Two Towers he tells Theoden to attack 10,000 Uruk’s head on, which is undoubtedly suicide. In the books that was Theoden’s idea, a glorious death, and Gandalf has to convince him to go to Helms Deep so he has time to get backup. In Return of the King, after the battle at Minas Tirith, he straight up gives up on Frodo and Aragorn is like “eyo what if we provide Frodo with a distraction for a bit at the Black Gate?” which, unsurprisingly, was also Gandalf’s idea in the books
Battling a creature that ends up killing you for almost a week would change you drastically. The PTSD to say the least would change your personality. My favorite was definitely gandalf the Gray but there was absolutely no affection lost for gandalf the White. Best characters and all of fiction
@@jamesdaniels8007 yes the incredibly catholic work of LOTR is based to be all about Christian faith. The elven bread represents communion (which is explicitly said by Tolkien himself). Aragorn, Gandalf have multiple aspects of being a Christ figure as does Frodo, but none of them are as on the nose as say Lewis with Narnia. If you don't think that you actually don't know anything about LOTR lol.
@kylenewberry8598 I don't believe Tolkien ever said Gandalf is a representation of Christ. I know he said as much about Aragorn (in a lesser way). The variation would be that Eru resurrected Gandalf while Jesus resurrected himself. Edit: If you can find a source that Tolkien said Gandalf's resurrection is likened to that of Christ, please correct me (sincerely).
@@kylenewberry8598 my point is that it’s not direct allegory, which is something Tolkien did not like, as I’m sure you know since you feel confident enough to go after me personally. I’m also sure that you are aware that Middle Earth was written as mythology (yes I know about Tolkien’s view on mythology and how it points to truth) and does not have any real world parallels. The symbolism is there, of course, but not allegory. So, to cut myself short, it is appropriate to say that Gandalf’s return is symbolic, a picture of Jesus’s resurrection it is inappropriate to call it allegorical.
Gandalf the grey all day. When he talks to frodo about doing the best we can, gets me in the feels every time. You can feel the love off gandalf the grey
well its normal. gandalf the grey's purpose was to inspire men so they don't lose their way fighting evil. gandalf the white wmis Eru's saying "them stupid mortal are too stupid to be inspired by words, Olorin, now inspire them by doing."
The white is the mission focused version. Because he took up the mantle that sauromon was supposed to wear. Grey was who he meant to be from the beginning
As a child you're one person, over the years you change many different identities, but the one who's looking out from those eyes of yours is unchanging.
Lets just take a moment to acknowledge that every single casting in this movie was perfect, and that Ian was able to play both versions of gandalf without missing a single beat.
I love the scene on the balcony, where Pippin and Gandalf the white are talking and Gandalf smokes his pipe. But he cannot smoke it without coughing. I think Gandalf tried to be his former self in this scene. He wanted to be the old Gandalf, who enjoys his pipe weed but he cannot be it. His return not only made him "perfect", he had now more responsibility. He cannot be careless and relax, he forgot how to do it. This is the last time we see him smoke a pipe, maybe it was the very last he ever smoked before leaving for Valinor.
It's tough to say about Gandalf🤔 We avid "Ringers" know Gandalf is a Maiar & tasked with a certain journey from Erú Illúvitar; so it's hard to say...if one has read The Silmarillion, The Hobbit & The Lord of The Rings in its entirety. Surely, Gandalf The Grey is the most approachable (in aspect of character) but Gandalf The White fulfills his purpose...right up to bringing Bilbo & Frodo on the ship to The Undying Lands. Great saga.
Who knows in Middle Earth if you usually die or as Gandalf himself said "he passed into shadow and out of time" after fighting the Balrog of Moria he came back more powerful and assertive whatever that means
They are supposed to be very different, as death is an impactful experience. Also, they kind of have different jobs. Both more subtle and passive than somebody like Aragorn, who must lead the free people, but Gandalf the Gray was able to be even more passive and subtle in how he helped people.
Loved them both. Two Towers and Return of the King needed Gandolf The White because serious shit was going down. Gandolf the Grey wouldn't be much help. During peacetime, Gandolf The Grey.
Gandalf the gray did really feel a bit detached from the situations. Gandalf the gray was more loving in the shire, more disconcerted when offered the ring in more desperate in Moria than Gandalf the white ever was. He was more alive in his gray form.
Gandalf is who he has to be, gandalf the grey was for building a relationship with the people of Middle earth and bring warmth, while gandalf the white was to bring light to the dark times and push the group past the finish line.
Gandalf the White was “too perfect” out of necessity. Once the ONE RING was destroyed, and normal life had been restored to the Shire, he was able to retreat into his own, more human self, until the stirrings called him back to the Undying Lands. Bilbo had his life extended, and Frodo became an outsider, no longer fitting into Shire society with his deep association with the ONE RING. I hope Gandalf had time enough to exchange tales with Tom Bombadil and Beorn, old friends of his.
Gandalf the Grey himself didn't want to be the white wizard. That's why Sauramon ended up becoming the white wizard. So it's kind of fitting that Ian himself preferred Gandalf the Grey. It's something Gandalf had to do
I must admit I didn't notice such a difference between before and after the Balrog fight as to consider two different characters Also english is not my native language and I'm very unsure of my phrasing right now
Gandalf the white: "It's fine, everyone makes mistakes."
Gandalf the grey: "NEXT TIME YOU THROW YOURSELF IN YOU ABSOLUTE FOOL OF A TOOK"
Gandalf the Motivational Speaker vs. Gandalf the Absolute Rinser
Nah he is just as irritable as Gandalf the White, he gets pissed and Pippin when he looked into the palantar.
@@hackergaming6372he’s very reasonable and caring with pippin when he looks in the palantir. Not nearly as mad as he was in Moria
@@hackergaming6372So are we just gonna ignore the entirety of their stay at Minas Tirith? Gandalf constantly supports pippin and props him up.
@@NBrixH Gandalf the Grey also would have done so. He gets pissed but still in the end really likes Pippin.
Gandalf the white did have some amazing lines, though. That speech about death with pippin is a tear jerker, and his speech at the Grey Havens is just magnificent. I enjoy Gandalf the Grey more, though.
I also love when Aragorn asks him what his heart tells him about Frodo and Gandalf goes silent and smiles and says that Frodo is alive.
Makes me cry every time
Gandalf the White was probably written and edited by Tolkien to have that difference of personality, reflecting him being allowed more access to his memories of his true identity and full powers after remaining true to his assignment, unlike Saruman.
That speech better get played at my funeral that’s all am sayin
His speech to Pippin is brilliant
Gandaf the white had a different mission to gandalf the grey. The white wizard was the leader of the istari and it was his job to take more direct action and lead the other istari in the fight against sauron, while the grey wizard's job was to inspire hope and guide people, which is why saruman was given more power by the gods themselves and why grey gandalf's actions were more limited than his white self. Saruman was the white wizard and was replaced by gandalf, hence the line "i am saruman, or saruman as he should be". Basically gandalf got promoted and now does upper management tasks while saruman was fired for abusing his upper management status.
That is a wonderful explanation - thank you for this!
So my question is, where IS saruman now? Like is his halfgodly being dead or did He get demoted to a lesser? Im Not hard into middlearth lore
@@marvincebulla1467 well... After the ents captured isengard, saruman and wormtongue escaped and travelled to the shire and took over the place. When the hobbits finally returned to the shire after the war of the ring they banded together and overthrew saruman. And then shortly after wormtongue stabs him in the back like he did in the movie. Saruman dies, but not really, since maiars cant truly die. Instead, just like sauron after the ring was destroyed, they are powerless spirits stripped of their power no longer capable of taking physical form left to wander for eternity.
Well he technically became Saruman of Many Colors which is what caused the power vacuum for the white
Gandalf the grey could not have been a one-man army at Minas Tirith. He had to be Gandalf the White for that
As Gimli so perfectly puts it:
This new Gandalf is sure grumpier than the old one…
Is this from the movie or books?
@@bekiryufka movie, The Two Towers extended edition. Said right after the trio met the returned Gandalf the White in Fangon Forrest.
@@bekiryufkaboth actually
Gandalf the grey is to iconic
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They may not have liked the character transition from grey to white, but I think both Ian McKellen and Peter Jackson did what they had to for the character and the story. Gandalf the Grey was very warm and got things started, but Gandalf the White was the upgrade that was needed to defeat Sauramon and ultimately rescue Frodo and Sam from Mt Doom after the destruction of the One Ring.
I misread the last 2 words as....
"onion ring"
Gandalf is my fav, and though i always think of him as Grey, the upgrade just makes him cooler, who else evolves like a super saiyan? Get on his level
Sauramon 😅
The thing is, Gandalf the White, is supposed to be perfect. As the LotR saga is based on catholic belief, Gandalf the Grey lived for others and died for others fighting the Balrog. He was then judged by Iluvitar (God) and was granted a holy glorious body in resurrection capable of many great feats, becoming Gandalf the White, as he has no more evil or imperfection dwelling in him. Gandalf himself states that even if his power is immense, it does not come from him, but from Iluvitar. He is merely a catalyst for Iluvitar's grace in the world and all things are given to him by Iluvitar. Gandalf the White represents the role of the righteous in the End of Time, in Catholic belief.
And Gandalf the Grey already was one of the most powerful beings known to man.
In the guise of the Istari (wizards) he was one of the -Maiar- Ainur of old, the most powerful beings in existence bar Ilúvatar himself!
But, as Saruman mentioned, perhaps Gandalf (Olórin in his youth) had spent a few too many years among the common folk, indulging in the peculiar habit of smoking pipeweed from the land of the Halflings! 😅
Being resurrected by Ilúvatar to finish the daunting task that was placed upon him, his focus was also renewed. 😊
And therefore the Witch King of Angmar would certainly not be able to break his staff.
Tolkein was a devout christian and an anarchist but he was quite clear that his writings were not meant to be taken as allegory.
Gandalf is a Maia, a lesser Ainur, in essence and function equivalent to what we call an angel in Judaism and Christianity. Sounds like McKellan and Jackson don’t like holy and blessed beings. I’m not super surprised at that.
@@MasterSandman The Valar are more powerful than the Maiar as well. Morgoth to Sauron.
Ummm, I love them both personally. I’m aware of their differences but don’t really care. I was always just happy to have Gandalf back in whatever form. 🥰
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They each have their own merits, so it's impossible for me to choose a favorite. I like Gray's sense of humor more "down to earth" nature. I like Gandalph the white as a much better adversary in battle & his renewed power were instrumental in helping to defeat the enemy. But in both forms he was kind of hot headed, but was still kind hearted. I guess it comes down to it, I would enjoy the companionship of Gray, but would choose white as more of an effective leader. Either way, they would never have defeated Sauron without both of them.
He fell off a stage today he's in hospital hope he makes it 😢🤞🏻
Latest report is that he is expected to make a speedy recovery and is in good spirits. 85 years old and still doing fighting on stage! He’s amazing. 👏🏼
@@factorfantasyweekly That's good to hear 👍🏻
Thank you for sharing that! I do hope & pray for a full recovery. Do you know if he broke anything? (bones). At his age, it is harder for the body to deal with injuries. He'll be in my prayers. 🙏
When he fell, he screamed, “My arms; my arms,” according to the Daily Mail. I don’t know if they were broken or badly bruised. Glad to know he’s going to make a quick recovery. A fall at his age is difficult for anyone. I couldn’t image how tough it was to trip over scenery and fall over the edge of the stage ( while performing). That sort of fall could do major damage.
He will be reborn as Mckellan the white
I didn’t think the two versions of Gandalf _were_ characterised that much differently in the movies tbh (except for power/magical ability)
Gandalf the grey feels more human. Makes mistakes, gets mad. Gandalf the white is very stoic and calm and handles all his situations quite well
@@rileydavidson207 yeh I agree with that on the whole. The two versions of Gandalf _do_ have differences, I just don’t think they are anywhere near as different in the movies as in the books 🤷♀️
edit: I love both incarnations of Gandalf but if I had to pick a favourite I guess I’d pick the Grey, he feels warmer
I completely agree.
I feel like The White is a bit more commanding in the books than The Gray
To me, any differences just seem like the evolution of any person over time and after life changing experiences.
While I agree, I still feel like this was the only (and best) way to write this character. Going from Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White is such a MASSIVE upgrade, that it only makes sense that his personality also got upgraded. Don't forget, that wizards are technically minor gods called Maiar in this universe, and the higher ranking they are, the more god-like they get.
Gandalf the Grey is a mostly positive character with huge flaws, which overall make him sort of morally grey. While Gandalf the White is an even more positive character with less flaws that make him morally white. See how that plays out?
It's all so logical and well put together. Honestly, I'm in constant awe on how complex and well-made Tolkien's world is.
Gandalf the grey was better for peace gandalf the white was better for war
Gandalf the Grey is my favourite
Keeping in mind how the Maiar are like at 10% power when they show up first and when Gandalf comes back he’s at like… idk 33% power it makes sense. Keep in mind no wizard has been show on screen (so far) at full power. They were nerfed by the gods to make them more relatable to the free people (and thus viewers.)
I like both, they both have so much positive things.
Sheesh. Gandalf was Gandalf! Does every little thing have to be a conflict?😂
Nowhere in this video do you give a single shred of evidence that these two men didn't like the character Gandalf the White.
Yeah he pretty much just said they “missed gandalf the grey” not the same thing.
Ian said it in an interview years ago. GTW was superfocused on defeating Sauron that he almost forgot his humane qualities whereas GTG was empathic, humorous and full of compassion.
Because it’s pretty well known, it doesn’t require proof lol
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@@johnnyb5271 there’s literally behind the scenes footage of them saying it 🤦♂️
If memory serves, when Gandalf was restored to his form, he was imbued with higher knowledge than his grey counterpart and was, in fact, somewhat more than the other Maiar. Fitting that McKellan was uncomfortable with him as McKellan is a reasonably humble man.
Grey: “Why the halfling? I guess it’s because I’m scared, and they bring me courage.
White: “Its only a matter of time before Frodo is found. I have sent him to his death. Sauron will not take the bait.”
I think Gandalf the grey was more mysterious, he looked like a simple fellow, yet in the time of need he fought the balrog.
He is my favourite character BTW.
Gandalf the grey is the chill old man who is going to sit with you and give you the best advice. Gandalf the white is the seasoned old veteran who will lead you and inspire you to face your problems head on.
I've read the Lord of the rings books and even in the book when he becomes gandalf the White you can see the change in character he becomes a higher being and doesn't seem to have the down-to-earth Father figure feeling like he does when he is gandalf the grey so for me it's gray all the way
Well said!
it fits a little better in the book as well, since Saruman became Saruman the many coloured as a way to transcend his original purpose, so that in a way freed up the title of "the white". Gandalf the White then sort of became what Saruman was meant to be, thats how I interpret it anyway
Well, yeah, but that's because he was closer to what he originally was as Olorin and he somewhat loses the familiarity and bonds he created over thousands of years as Gandalf the Grey due to literally falling out of time for a very long time so his body could be reformed in short order.
Obviously the grey. One of my favorite characters ever
You Shall Not Pass is probably one of the greatest lines ever out of lord of the rings. Also, that pipe weed is the shit 😂
Saying they missed Gandalf the Grey does not mean they didn’t like Gandalf the White
In the books he goes from grumpy but lovely granddad to a fucking savage 😂
Ian McKellen said 'Once you go Grey you become Super-Gay' so I can't become White as then I will become a Gandalf the Wight
Had no problem with either. Both cool
I fully understand what they mean, I loved the grey's weakness and his doubts. But they had to tell the true story and Peter and Ian did a great job with Gandalf the white. Yes, it was very sad to lose the grey, but the white wasn't that bad. 😉
Whenever I think about Gandolf, I always think of Gandolf the gray
A wizard never arrives late. Only precisely when he means to.
I remember first reading the chapter The White Rider in The Two Towers. Gandalf the White was such an injection of hope and determination after the Breaking of the Fellowship and not knowing what happens to Merry and Pippin.
I like both his forms. Because “when you know better you do better” and Gandalf had learned a lot as grey, and he evolved into someone who knew more, so he held himself to a higher standard.
“Quite missing” Gandalf the Grey does not mean they disliked Gandalf the White
Gandalf the grey and white are both the same character, however Gandalf the White is more of a fresh slate since he’s essentially been reborn. He’s lost a few traits probably due to memory loss but it’s also because he’s been pushed into the role of a general as well. No time for silliness in times of war.
I enjoy both again off the white end.That coming back with a little bit more knowledge
Gandalf the Gray feels more comforting. Still, there's enough of him in Gandalf the White, I think, e.g. when he's riding to Minas Tirith with Pippin.
Gandalf had one of most memorable transformations in all of cinema. I’m still reading through the books so I can’t attest to the literature. But they are one and the same, and very different. It’s a beautiful story.
Thought the differences were done well by both director and actor. Masterfully done
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War time obviously Gandalf the white is a better choice. Peace time grey is better
I just love Gandalf. You could not find a better actor to play him either.
How could he be less human? The conversation he has with merry, to relieve someone's fear of the end , is the most human thing anyone could do in such a Time
The white still cracked in minas tirith where he said something like "why did the damn Valar send me here?"
But he's described in the books as being quicker to laugh and quicker to anger in the books, if I recall right, I venture they just weren't as confident about portraying Gandalf the White.
That's how I felt. I think the writers weren't confident. And that lack of confidence came through in the performance
I enjoy gandalf the grey more. He was a lot more human.
Hope Ian gets better soon
The White is freaking awesome!🎉
Gandalf the white brought us one of the best dialogues in the entire Trilogy. Gandalf and Pippin in the battle of minas tirith.
„White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise..“
LIKE DUUUUDEEEEE
Of course eventually Gandalf the White should be the ideal...you cannot settle for anything less...and Theoden wasn't saved if gray is not white.
It doesn’t really help the fact they dumbed Gandalf the White down a lot for the films. Like in The Two Towers he tells Theoden to attack 10,000 Uruk’s head on, which is undoubtedly suicide. In the books that was Theoden’s idea, a glorious death, and Gandalf has to convince him to go to Helms Deep so he has time to get backup. In Return of the King, after the battle at Minas Tirith, he straight up gives up on Frodo and Aragorn is like “eyo what if we provide Frodo with a distraction for a bit at the Black Gate?” which, unsurprisingly, was also Gandalf’s idea in the books
Battling a creature that ends up killing you for almost a week would change you drastically. The PTSD to say the least would change your personality. My favorite was definitely gandalf the Gray but there was absolutely no affection lost for gandalf the White. Best characters and all of fiction
Well he’s a reference to the resurrected Jesus so to be expected.
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@@jamesdaniels8007 yes the incredibly catholic work of LOTR is based to be all about Christian faith. The elven bread represents communion (which is explicitly said by Tolkien himself). Aragorn, Gandalf have multiple aspects of being a Christ figure as does Frodo, but none of them are as on the nose as say Lewis with Narnia. If you don't think that you actually don't know anything about LOTR lol.
@kylenewberry8598 I don't believe Tolkien ever said Gandalf is a representation of Christ. I know he said as much about Aragorn (in a lesser way). The variation would be that Eru resurrected Gandalf while Jesus resurrected himself.
Edit: If you can find a source that Tolkien said Gandalf's resurrection is likened to that of Christ, please correct me (sincerely).
@@kylenewberry8598 my point is that it’s not direct allegory, which is something Tolkien did not like, as I’m sure you know since you feel confident enough to go after me personally. I’m also sure that you are aware that Middle Earth was written as mythology (yes I know about Tolkien’s view on mythology and how it points to truth) and does not have any real world parallels. The symbolism is there, of course, but not allegory. So, to cut myself short, it is appropriate to say that Gandalf’s return is symbolic, a picture of Jesus’s resurrection it is inappropriate to call it allegorical.
Gandalf the white had his moments too
Gandalf the grey all day. When he talks to frodo about doing the best we can, gets me in the feels every time. You can feel the love off gandalf the grey
well its normal.
gandalf the grey's purpose was to inspire men so they don't lose their way fighting evil.
gandalf the white wmis Eru's saying "them stupid mortal are too stupid to be inspired by words, Olorin, now inspire them by doing."
The white is the mission focused version. Because he took up the mantle that sauromon was supposed to wear. Grey was who he meant to be from the beginning
Your love for the halfing leaf has clearly slowed your mind.
As a child you're one person, over the years you change many different identities, but the one who's looking out from those eyes of yours is unchanging.
Lets just take a moment to acknowledge that every single casting in this movie was perfect, and that Ian was able to play both versions of gandalf without missing a single beat.
it doesn't matter what they like - it's in the books
The Grey, as in how he was in the Hobbit is what we all love. But we needed the White to defeat Sauron, so it is what it is LMAO
Gandalf the grey’s magic is in elevating the people around him, a true leader.
I could probably not resist Gandalf the Gray where the r is silent
So Ian McKellen?
I love the scene on the balcony, where Pippin and Gandalf the white are talking and Gandalf smokes his pipe. But he cannot smoke it without coughing. I think Gandalf tried to be his former self in this scene. He wanted to be the old Gandalf, who enjoys his pipe weed but he cannot be it. His return not only made him "perfect", he had now more responsibility. He cannot be careless and relax, he forgot how to do it. This is the last time we see him smoke a pipe, maybe it was the very last he ever smoked before leaving for Valinor.
It's tough to say about Gandalf🤔
We avid "Ringers" know Gandalf is a Maiar & tasked with a certain journey from Erú Illúvitar; so it's hard to say...if one has read The Silmarillion, The Hobbit & The Lord of The Rings in its entirety.
Surely, Gandalf The Grey is the most approachable (in aspect of character) but Gandalf The White fulfills his purpose...right up to bringing Bilbo & Frodo on the ship to The Undying Lands.
Great saga.
“I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me”
-Gandalf 😊
Both are great, I like them both equally
Who knows in Middle Earth if you usually die or as Gandalf himself said "he passed into shadow and out of time" after fighting the Balrog of Moria he came back more powerful and assertive whatever that means
The old grey wizard.
Both ..a wizard is always as he should be
The gray bro
They are supposed to be very different, as death is an impactful experience.
Also, they kind of have different jobs. Both more subtle and passive than somebody like Aragorn, who must lead the free people, but Gandalf the Gray was able to be even more passive and subtle in how he helped people.
For those of you that need to see this, it’s Gandalf the Gray Not “Grey”. It stands for the color gray. Which spelled “GRAY” not “GREY”.
Gendalf the White holding an AK47
Loved them both.
Two Towers and Return of the King needed Gandolf The White because serious shit was going down. Gandolf the Grey wouldn't be much help.
During peacetime, Gandolf The Grey.
As iconic as The Grey is (Gandalf is my favorite character), I kinda prefer The White.
There could not have been better actors for their roles. Meaning the entire cast.
Gandalf's character doesn't overly change in the books, merely the stakes as the war progresses.
Gandalf the white arrived for action because it was needed.The grey was the life guide the world needed.
When the wizard duel-classes with paladin.
I like both of them
Even though they said they're both different they both to me act the same to me nothing has changed except for a power boost
With power comes responsibility.
Gandalf the gray did really feel a bit detached from the situations. Gandalf the gray was more loving in the shire, more disconcerted when offered the ring in more desperate in Moria than Gandalf the white ever was. He was more alive in his gray form.
I like both. Grey a bit more, but they needed him white later on.
“FLY YOU FOOL”
Gandalf is who he has to be, gandalf the grey was for building a relationship with the people of Middle earth and bring warmth, while gandalf the white was to bring light to the dark times and push the group past the finish line.
Does someone know the music being used in this short (composer/song?)
Whats the background sound from?
Gandalf the grey is GoATED
Gandalf should be female. Lotr is so anti woke it has to end
We love the one and only Gandalf no matter the colour...
Yet, Gandalf the White still managed to say FOOL OF THE TOOK in ROTK 😆
Gandalf the White was “too perfect” out of necessity. Once the ONE RING was destroyed, and normal life had been restored to the Shire, he was able to retreat into his own, more human self, until the stirrings called him back to the Undying Lands. Bilbo had his life extended, and Frodo became an outsider, no longer fitting into Shire society with his deep association with the ONE RING. I hope Gandalf had time enough to exchange tales with Tom Bombadil and Beorn, old friends of his.
As a kid, I prefered gandalf the white, due to the sheer power and awe he comanded. However, growing up I prefer the grey.
Gandalf the Grey himself didn't want to be the white wizard. That's why Sauramon ended up becoming the white wizard. So it's kind of fitting that Ian himself preferred Gandalf the Grey. It's something Gandalf had to do
Gandalf is afraid of Sauron. It made him flawed and builds his courage reminiscent of hobbits.
I must admit I didn't notice such a difference between before and after the Balrog fight as to consider
two different characters
Also english is not my native language and I'm very unsure of my phrasing right now
Gandalf went from vagabond to field marshall overnight though lol