@@addjoaprekobaah5914 My faith tells me that we must all live a godly life and serve Him in Truth and Spirit, follow His Commandments, serve the people of all levels, and spread His Living Words to await His Second Coming Soon!
I’ve been listening to Tim Keller for many years, and saw the conversation on 2 Timothy between the two of you, so I figured I’d listen to your sermons as well. This is the best one so far
@@bercaferca4554 Jesus still loves you there is still room for you to repent and change your way, the bible commands us to love our neighbour as you love yourself.
This was interesting and probably typical of western evangelical thinking but he completely missed it on this one. The rich man in the story is Israel. Judah was blessed above his brothers by Jacob and the scepter was promised never to depart from his descendants. Thus the faring sumptuously and being dressed in purple and fine linen. Judah (representing Israel and thus the rich man) had five brothers, Leah had six sons. Israel was to be a blessing to all nations which they failed to be. They excluded the Gentiles (dogs) and the Gentiles only got crumbs of God's kingdom from the table of the Jews. Lazarus in the story is the Gentiles, getting crumbs of the kingdom. Lazarus is in the Greek language a partial derivative of the name Eliezer, who was Abram's beloved servant (close to his side or in his bosom). Eliezer would have inherited Abram's wealth had not God given him Isaac as an heir. Eliezer was a Gentile from Damascus. Abraham in the story was himself. This was not a story about the afterlife and heaven of hell. It was an indictment of the religious Israel that failed to be a blessing to the nations and kept the things of God to themselves. Israel was cut off and have been in torment while the Gentiles were included and the good news of the kingdom has been going forth as a blessing to all nations through them. One day, Israel will be grafted back in to their native tree and all Israel will be saved. That is what this parable prophesied and it is still being fulfilled.
@@sevensickszero8966 actual story because he was on the way to Jerusalem to raise Lazarus which has been dead 4 days. Next he states. It came to pass rich man died. Then came to pass Lazarus died. So it came to pass. It's a true story. Lazarus is Mary and Martha brother. Sometimes it takes spirit to explain these things. Not theology.
@@sevensickszero8966 Read Matthew 13:34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
God created hell. Satan isn’t there waiting for you to come join him, no, but one day God will put satan there. You put yourself in heaven or hell by your decision to believe what the Lord did on the cross or not to believe. God gave u free choice. It’s up to you.
The rich man didn't go to hell because he never helped Lazarus or others who didn't have their needs during their lifetime but rather, the rich man went to hell because of his unbelief and Lazarus didn't go to heaven because he never stole from the rich man or others just to have his needs and probably his wants during his lifetime but rather, Lazarus went to heaven because of his belief on what the Lord Jesus Christ did for him on the cross for his sins.
U can't compare Abraham riches to the kind of riches today. Abundant of sheep can't polite the Air. Today's riches destroys nature but sheep it doesnt harm nature Industrialization is the snare of the fowler
If the heart is of greed, it can not share and has already obtained its false wealth Knowing God is the greatest wealth and can not be measured. So, the man with false wealth got the treasures of his heart without God. Understanding charity, Charity is not giving to some organization Charity is giving of oneself with perseverance without need of repayment.
Some very good points addressed, but a huge opportunity to address the real truths held in this parable was lost. Parable was originally directed at the Pharasees who trusted in their wealth and religious status and kindred connection to Abraham as proof of being right with God. They denied who Jesus is because of deep seated unbelief. This parable is not about death, state of the dead or what happens after. It is all about the dangers of unbelief that will fix our eternal destiny. Lazarus indeed was raised from the dead and the Pharasees still remained in unbelief..they plotted to murder Lazarus to get rid of the living evidence that Jesus is the Messiah...they plotted the death of Jesus demonstrating that their refusal to believe and submit had already fixed their eternal destiny. I pray we will read this parable and heed the warning...
obviously it was a slip of the tongue, considering he was talking about another biblical individual named John who was closely connected to Jesus' ministry.
It came to.pass means it happened. Please understand that. He was giving prophecy. Because he was on the way to Jerusalem. To raise Lazarus from the dead..which has been dead 4 days. If it's in the bible it's important.
I believe that the wealth is not evil in it self, but like Lord Jesus Himself says : It is hard for a rich man to enter The Kingdom of Heaven...This is not the first time I hear a very prominent preacher/Bible teacher a kind of very quickly dismissed that idea from this kind of passage of the Bible...Maybe just like me more than 20 years ago when I hated the former dictator of my country of origin, I was kind of dismissive and always in avoidance of preaching about Romans 13 that teaching us to honour the government.....Just maybe...I could be wrong...
There are several reasons why this is not a parable. 1. People are not named but Moses and Abraham are named. 2. Angel's are not mentioned in parables but angels carried Lazarus to Abraham's bosom. 3.Parables have earthly settings, bu Hades is not an earthly setting. 4. If this is a parable, why did Jesus tell a parable which denies soul sleep? God bless you. Roy Page.
Your 4 points are *subjective* - not Biblical - arguments. 1. Is there a Biblical prohibition against using proper names in parables? Not one text. The reason He used them is evident in the interpretation of the parable. 2. Is there a Biblical prohibition against using angels in parables? Not one text. Besides, the saints don’t get carried anywhere when they die any more than sinners can carry on a conversation while completely engulfed in flames when they die. 3. Deuteronomy 32:22 and Proverbs 11:31 prove the wicked suffer hellfire punishment *on this Earth.* 4. Because parables often deny reality. In them, things happen that cannot and do not happen in real experience. You asking why Jesus would give a parable that denies soul sleep is like someone asking, “Why did Jotham tell a parable that denies trees can’t talk?”
@@lacoguk Look, the reason why no Bible scholar worth his salt considers your "proper names" argument to hold much water is because *there's no Biblical precedent or prohibition that disallows the use of proper names in a parable.* If the absence of proper names in other parables makes the use of them in Luke 16 "proof" that the passage is literal --- then the absence of walking, talking trees in all other parables makes Jotham's story literal. Look out, that thorn bush you weed whacked last week is sneaking up behind you.
There are many clues in the parable* of Lazarus and the Rich Man that, instead of contrasting the saved vs. unsaved, it's contrasting the treatment of Jews vs. Gentiles in the gospel age^, when the tables would be turned**: 1. Rich Man -- is never directly accused of a sin (only of being wealthy)^^ 2. Lazarus -- is never described as righteous (only of being a beggar)* * * 3. Purple -- indicates royalty (chosenness) 4. Fine linen -- was for Jewish priests (Exodus 28:39) 5. Abraham -- why is he in this parable at all? Because it specifically concerns Judaism. 6. Father Abraham -- described as "Father" 7. Flame -- the flame is singular -- not plural -- strongly suggesting this isn't about literal hell 8. Five Brothers -- The 5 FULL-blooded brothers of Judah were Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar & Zebulun (Gen. 35:23) 9. Moses & Prophets -- The Jewish people had Moses and the prophets 10. Not Convinced by One Rising from the Dead -- a prophecy of Christ's pending resurrection, which his Jewish audience would become very familiar with but would not heed (for the most part) * It follows the parables of the Lost Sheep, the Lost Coin, the Prodigal Son and the Unjust Steward, strongly suggesting that it, too, is a parable. So does one drop of water being able to help in this situation. ^ In the gospel age, Israel is partially hardened by God (Rom. 11:25), while Gentiles are included in the church. ** None of this excuses centuries of anti-semitism, but this parable appears to predict it. ^^ The Rich Man's material wealth represents his belonging to the chosen people, and having the written revelation of God (Hebrew scriptures). * * * Lazarus represents Gentiles who were beggars in the sense that they were lacking truth about God, due to God's chosen people not having shared it with them. (Consider the unjust steward in the parable immediately preceding this one, and Jesus overturning tables at the temple.) It's also been argued that since "Lazarus" means "helped by God," this implies his righteousness, but that conclusion doesn't follow. For more, see Bryan T. Huie's _Lazarus and the Rich Man_ article
Why didn't Lazarus and Abraham, do as the rich man instructed? my thought is, both of these men, didn't have any key to hell, and would not have returned back into heaven, if they had ventured into hell.
Fascinating Fact: Satan has a single key to hell, Jesus has multiple keys to hell. Satan used that key to get out of hell, and return to the world, in Revelation 13, when he was wounded to death, after suffering a gun shot to the head, With the help of the second beast of course.
HELL & PUNISHMENT IN THE GRAVE IN THE BIBLE. LUKE 16:19-21 THERE WAS A RICH MAN WHO WAS DRESSED IN PURPLE AND FINE LINEN AND LIVED IN LUXURY EVERYDAY 20: AT HIS GATE WAS LAID A BEGGAR NAMED LAZARUS COVERED WITH SORES. 21: AND LONGING TO EAT WHAT FELL FROM THE RICH MAN'S TABLE. EVEN THE DOGS CAME AND LICK HIS SORES. 22: THE TIME CAME WHEN THE BEGGAR DIED AND THE ANGELS CARRIED HIM TO ABRAHAM'S SIDE . THE RICH MAN ALSO DIED AND WAS BURIED. 23: IN HELL WHERE HE WAS IN TORMENT , HE LOOKED UP AND SAW ABRAHAM FAR AWAY WITH LAZARUS BY HIS SIDE . 24: SO HE CALLED TO HIM " FATHER ABRAHAM , HAVE PITY ON ME AND SEND LAZARUS TO DIP THE TIP OF HIS FINGER IN WATER AND COOL MY TONGUE BECAUSE I AM IN AGONY IN THIS FIRE .' DEUTERONOMY 32:22 22: FOR A FIRE HAS BEEN KINDLED BY MY WRATH ONE THAT BURNS TO THE REALM OF DEATH BELOW. IT WILL DEVOUR THE EARTH AND IT'S HARVESTS AND SET AFIRE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE MOUNTAINS. ISAIAH 24:21 " AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THAT DAY THAT THE LORD SHALL PUNISH THE HOST OF THE HIGH ONES THAT ARE ON HIGH AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH UPON THE EARTH.' PROVERBS 11:31 31: " BEHOLD THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL BE RECOMPENSED IN THE EARTH MUCH MORE THE WICKED JOB 11:8 8: THEY ARE HIGHER THAN THE HEAVENS _ WHAT CAN YOU DO ? THEY'RE DEEPER THAN THE DEPTHS OF THE GRAVES_ WHAT CAN YOU KNOW ? AMOS 9:2 2: THOUGH THEY DIG DOWN TO THE DEPTHS OF THE GRAVE, FROM THERE MY HAND WILL TAKE THEM. THOUGH THEY CLIMB UP TO THE HEAVENS, FROM THERE ,I WILL BRING THEM DOWN EVEN IF HELL MEANS THE " GRAVE ' AND SCRIPTURE SHOULD DESCRIBE HELL AS IT WOULD THE GRAVE. THE BIBLE STATES THAT THERE IS PENALTY AND PUNISHMENT IN BOTH HELL & GRAVE. IF THERE IS NO PENALTY AND JESUS TOOK ALL THE BLAME FOR OUR SINS THEN WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT, ISN'T IT?
Why are you yelling? “Do what ever we want”, says the fool. No, there is punishment to correct such foolishness. The gospel message is that the kingdom has come to earth and everyone should change their heart and mind.
Romans chapter 6 directly addresses this, as it is not a new argument. In fact, I would encourage you to read the entire book of Romans, especially chapters 1-8, and read it carefully to understand what the Biblical argument is for salvation and living a new life because of Jesus' sacrifice.
That is a crock of crap. Jesus was directly speaking to the pharisees who wanted to kill Lazarus because Jesus brought him back from death. Paul warned not to bost against Israel but yet here you be a bosting though you dont even understand what you are reading. I pray the Father helps you with your understanding.
@@gjose88 I did us decent words. If you read the bible in its entirety then you will see that Jesus was not saying that all of Israel is the rich man. Paul said that Israel in part was cut out of the tree so that you may be grafted in. He also went on to say that in the end All Israel will be saved so Paul warns against bosting against Israel. Jesus was not against Israel He was only against those who add to the laws of God in order to lord it over Gods people. Remember when Jesus said he came only for the lost sheep of Israel? He had a reason for saying this. When Soloman died God ripped the kingdom of Israel in two. He did this because of the sins Solomon committed in the latter years of his life due to all him foreign wives. The 10 tribes sinned and after many years of no repentance God divorced the 10 tribes and scattered them through out the whole world. They assimilated into all the kingdoms for which God had scattered them to the point where today they dont even know their ancestors were even part of Israel. They are called the lost sheep of the house of Israel. They are known today as gentiles. You were grafted in in hopes of saving the lost sheep. There is a difference between the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
He's got it all wrong. This parable was directed at the Pharisees, it's not about heaven and hell but the Pharisees rejecting Christ's message. Amazing how preachers turn this into proof of eternal punishment. No merciful, just God would sentence anyone to eternal torture.
This is a story, a parable. Jesus has points to this story. In real life lazarus was a close friend and also one who died that Jesus brought back. You need to remember that the pharisees wanted to kill lazarus because of the miracle. In this story that he told yes for the sake of the pharisees hearing he used a name Lazarus. The whole moral of this story is that if they dont listen to moses and the prophets they wont listen even though one is raised from the dead. Its not a story that all rich will go to hell and its not a story about all poor will go to heaven. This story is directed to the pharisees who add to YHWHs laws and who wants to kill Lazarus. What it is not is proof if what happens after we die.
People forget that Jesus said to his disciples that it was given to them to understand but not to the world. Its better to pray about it because the one who seeks truth the Spirit of the Living God will give truth. Just because someone has been to seminary school does not mean crap. Better to be schooled by YHWHs Spirit.
Don Carson, parables represent something -- Not to be taken literal as told or written. My Short Version of this important parable This parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus signifies the bringing into God's kingdom the lowly gentile beggars (Lazarus or Eliezer) and the excluding or throwing out the pious rich Jews(Judah as a whole - not as a man) and their "religious" high priests (purple robes) - Hence, Jesus said the kingdom will be taken from you (Jews) and turned over to another (Gentiles). So, yes they will be and are in agony. They were on fire as it were. Please send Lazarus to warn my five brother's... Judah ("Rich Man") had a mother, Leah and she had 6 kids...Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, and finally Judah "The Rich Man" which was the 6th son of the patriarch Jacob and Leah. True, there was 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob) however, not by the same mother. The high minded Jews (Judah) knew what Jesus meant by this parable and so they hated Jesus and began to conspire to have him killed..... Now that's a parable!!
The rich man is in "hades" (and not in hell) - the equivalent of the Hebrew sheol, the place where all the dead go (Luke 16:23). Most modern translations (ESV, NIV etc) retain "hades", while the KJV translates hades as hell. The word "gehenna" is translated hell. In other words, this parable, while it does carries a heavy warning, is not about what happens to the rich man in "hell".
the rich man himself calls it a place of torment, and the implication is clear that he cannot go to the "bosom of Abraham" - so whether there's a necessary distinguishment between hell and hades seems fairly inconsequential and frankly speculative. The Bible doesn't seem terribly interested in laying out the exact topography or nomenclature of these sorts of "places". A lot of this assumes that Jesus was using technical terms in describing hades, gehenna, and so on, but I see no real reason to assume that's the case, as each is illustrative more of the point being made more than intended to be a precise description of such a "place."
The word translated 'hell', 'hades', I take to refer to the place where the unblessed dead go after they die but before the final judgement (cf paradise for the blessed). If true, it is here that the rich man is in torment. The final judgement has not yet come. It doesn't bode well for the rich man, still, to be subject to eternal destruction after that judgement. Or maybe I'm reading too much into the parable in the wrong place, and missing it's main point. Which is what? Perhaps: Believe the prophets! ?
Jesus gets to the main point at the end of this parable. He says that they did not believe moses or the prophets that God had sent so why would they believe one who comes back from the dead. Remember after Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead that the pharisees wanted to kill Lazarus again because they feared the miracle and feared losing their power is one point the other point is that even when God raises Jesus from the dead these same pharisees still wont believe that Jesus came from God even though moses spoke of Him as well as the prophets.
@@elizabethmonroe5791 Thanks Elizabeth, I think you're right. (How many times does one read that in UA-cam comments? Not often.) I think an interesting next question is, what is it about the law and the prophets that Jesus implies that they themselves are sufficient to yield trust in God? But I'm not expecting you to answer that one....
The bible reading did not mention that the rich man is a sinner. He wasn't in hades because he's a thief, gambler, a murderer or anything like that. He was in hades because he's rich.
I don’t think that’s correct. The Bible is clear that we can only get to heaven if we have faith in Jesus’ death and resurrection and the justification he achieves for us. Although there is no sin explicitly mentioned we get a small insight into the identity of each person. Lazarus is the only character in any parable of Jesus who is named. His name means “God saves”. On the other hand, the whole identity of the rich man is summed up in the way he is referred to. He is rich. That is what his identity is wrapped up in. Lazarus is not in heaven because he is poor, he is in heaven because he trusts in God, as is revealed in his name. The rich man is in hell because he is deluded into thinking his wealth and status will carry over into eternal life. He does not trust in God, he trusts only in himself. He still thinks of himself as superior, asking Abraham to send Lazarus as if Lazarus is still subordinate to him and fit to run errands for him and having the audacity to correct Abraham in v.30.
@@joshuataylor4185 the rich man is in hades because of his sin of omission. Even if he have been a thief or even a murderer, his sins could have been forgiven if he truly repents. Even if he believes that faith in Jesus will save him, he will still go to hades. That's because, as Jesus has told the goats, you didn't give me drink when I'm thirsty, you didn't give me food when I'm hungry, you didn't let me in your home when I was an immigrant, you didn't even visit me when I was sick or imprisoned. This rich man have all the means to do those things, but he didn't because his wealth surrounded him from seeing those oppressed around him. In order to be saved, faith and works are needed, not by faith alone.
@@aliszhinchaenz Ephesians 2:8-9 "8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast." It is faith that LEADS to works. It is not works that save, it is faith alone. But saving faith produces a change in the lives of those who possess it and necessitates godly works in their lives. Faith which is not accompanied by action is dead (James 2:17) but it is not the works that saves, it is the faith which produces works.
@@aliszhinchaenz , you have answered rightly.. the rich man did not love neighbor: when I was thirsty you gave me no drink.. when I was hungry you gave me no meat.. when I was naked you clothed me not.. when I was sick or in jail you visited me not.. when I was a stranger you took me not in. Matthew 25:31-46 The goats are going into everlasting punishment in the lake of fire; because they didn't love their neighbor If you love your neighbor, you love God If you don't love your neighbor, whom you see, how can you love God, whom you don't see? Faith without works is dead Many rich ministers don't love their neighbor, and Jesus is going to say to them: depart from me
Jesus didn't call this a parable so why does D A Carson? The first thing we should learn is that this isn't a parable. These are real specific people with names. In the genuine parables of Jesus, no one has a name. In this passage 2 of the 3 characters have names. Clearly this was NOT the Lazarus who Jesus would later raise from the dead. Remember that Lazarus was, in first century Israel, a fairly common name. As common as Larry is today.
@@pastorart1974 It was a parable and it was directed strait to the pharisees who wanted to kill Lazarus because Jesus preformed the miracle of raising Lazarus from the dead. The whole point of this story is this, Jesus said if they will not believe moses and the prophets whom God had already sent to them then they will not believe one even if he is raised from the dead. Instead of believing when Christ raised Lazarus from the dead they saught to kill Lazarus again and that they still would not believe Jesus when God raises Christ from the dead.
@Elizabeth Monroe I have already refuted every one of your points. The way you know you are dealing with a left wing liberal scholar is that they tell you that the Bible means the opposite of what it actually says.
@@elizabethmonroe5791 read the scriptures lady It never states that it is a parable It is stupid for you to write that I have no witnesses to go back in time and confirm that when it is impossible for me to do so The scriptures are there so you can read them without having to go back in time It is one thing if you don't accept my opinion and it is another to have your own opinion which I will not and don't care to change it
This is a parable of the rich man and the poor man - it simply summarize that we should live a godly life before our time is up!
Why? Why does it matter we live a godly live?
@@addjoaprekobaah5914 My faith tells me that we must all live a godly life and serve Him in Truth and Spirit, follow His Commandments, serve the people of all levels, and spread His Living Words to await His Second Coming Soon!
I’ve been listening to Tim Keller for many years, and saw the conversation on 2 Timothy between the two of you, so I figured I’d listen to your sermons as well. This is the best one so far
I originally saw this some time ago. However, it is a message worth repeating--especially in our current times.
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This is so profound I never saw it from that perspective
Read the bible more, idiot
@@bercaferca4554 Jesus still loves you there is still room for you to repent and change your way, the bible commands us to love our neighbour as you love yourself.
Powerful exposition.
Thanks from Australia, I got a lot out of your perspective
Powerful sermon 🙏 🙏
Ever notice how Jesus refers to Lazarus, a poor and suffering man forgotten in society, by *name* and not the rich man? ;)
Except potheads aren’t lazarus, lazarus was stricken by a million things
Junkies, to me, are also unnamed in this world. And other such fackbags. And screw the rich people who promote pot to destroy more families
@@bercaferca4554
Yet whom went to heaven?
Seems like the rich man was self centred even in Hades
This man speaks the truth
It's not a Parable note it says there was stay away from people who say it's a Parable
This was interesting and probably typical of western evangelical thinking but he completely missed it on this one.
The rich man in the story is Israel. Judah was blessed above his brothers by Jacob and the scepter was promised never to depart from his descendants. Thus the faring sumptuously and being dressed in purple and fine linen. Judah (representing Israel and thus the rich man) had five brothers, Leah had six sons.
Israel was to be a blessing to all nations which they failed to be. They excluded the Gentiles (dogs) and the Gentiles only got crumbs of God's kingdom from the table of the Jews.
Lazarus in the story is the Gentiles, getting crumbs of the kingdom. Lazarus is in the Greek language a partial derivative of the name Eliezer, who was Abram's beloved servant (close to his side or in his bosom). Eliezer would have inherited Abram's wealth had not God given him Isaac as an heir. Eliezer was a Gentile from Damascus.
Abraham in the story was himself.
This was not a story about the afterlife and heaven of hell. It was an indictment of the religious Israel that failed to be a blessing to the nations and kept the things of God to themselves. Israel was cut off and have been in torment while the Gentiles were included and the good news of the kingdom has been going forth as a blessing to all nations through them.
One day, Israel will be grafted back in to their native tree and all Israel will be saved. That is what this parable prophesied and it is still being fulfilled.
I saw this quite a while ago.
Thankful to that the rich man may have seen Lazarus but it never said that Lazarus saw him.
There were no real men, this is a parable about messiah and the Jews,
@@Lovingkindness. Jesus never used "proper names" in parables ,this was an actual event.....
@@sevensickszero8966 actual story because he was on the way to Jerusalem to raise Lazarus which has been dead 4 days.
Next he states. It came to pass rich man died. Then came to pass Lazarus died.
So it came to pass. It's a true story.
Lazarus is Mary and Martha brother.
Sometimes it takes spirit to explain these things. Not theology.
@@sevensickszero8966 Read Matthew 13:34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
“ a place of rejoicing to pursue”vs “ a place of torment to flee”
God created hell. Satan isn’t there waiting for you to come join him, no, but one day God will put satan there. You put yourself in heaven or hell by your decision to believe what the Lord did on the cross or not to believe. God gave u free choice. It’s up to you.
Amazing
excellent message
Fast Fact: The Rich Man didn't go to hell just because he was rich.
The rich man didn't go to hell because he never helped Lazarus or others who didn't have their needs during their lifetime but rather, the rich man went to hell because of his unbelief and Lazarus didn't go to heaven because he never stole from the rich man or others just to have his needs and probably his wants during his lifetime but rather, Lazarus went to heaven because of his belief on what the Lord Jesus Christ did for him on the cross for his sins.
“ our 🚗 is older than your 🚘 “....
Actually, the Lazarus of John 11 was the same Lazarus from Luke16.
U can't compare Abraham riches to the kind of riches today. Abundant of sheep can't polite the Air. Today's riches destroys nature but sheep it doesnt harm nature Industrialization is the snare of the fowler
How's Dr. Carson?? I don't see any new sermons of him. I hope he's doing okay.
The rich man was in hell because he showed no mercy and compassion for Lazarus.
Is this a good place to learn from? I'm looking for a a group of peers, new to or reconfirmed faith. I am not looking for sermons
He seems pretty solid and Bible based
What exactly do you need?
The best to consult is YHWHs Set A Part Spirit. The One Jesus said was the Spirit of Truth.
33:07 John the Baptist? He was dead at the time mentioned.
Exactly what I was thinking! Perhaps he just lost his place in the sermon.... hopefully 😬
I believe its John the beloved, who wrote the book of Revelations ❤
If the heart is of greed, it can not share and has already obtained its false wealth
Knowing God is the greatest wealth and can not be measured.
So, the man with false wealth got the treasures of his heart without God.
Understanding charity, Charity is not giving to some organization Charity is giving of oneself with perseverance without need of repayment.
“ advance in education could become a god for you..,”
Some very good points addressed, but a huge opportunity to address the real truths held in this parable was lost.
Parable was originally directed at the Pharasees who trusted in their wealth and religious status and kindred connection to Abraham as proof of being right with God.
They denied who Jesus is because of deep seated unbelief.
This parable is not about death, state of the dead or what happens after. It is all about the dangers of unbelief that will fix our eternal destiny.
Lazarus indeed was raised from the dead and the Pharasees still remained in unbelief..they plotted to murder Lazarus to get rid of the living evidence that Jesus is the Messiah...they plotted the death of Jesus demonstrating that their refusal to believe and submit had already fixed their eternal destiny.
I pray we will read this parable and heed the warning...
John the Baptist ?
obviously it was a slip of the tongue, considering he was talking about another biblical individual named John who was closely connected to Jesus' ministry.
It came to.pass means it happened. Please understand that.
He was giving prophecy. Because he was on the way to Jerusalem. To raise Lazarus from the dead..which has been dead 4 days.
If it's in the bible it's important.
I believe that the wealth is not evil in it self, but like Lord Jesus Himself says : It is hard for a rich man to enter The Kingdom of Heaven...This is not the first time I hear a very prominent preacher/Bible teacher a kind of very quickly dismissed that idea from this kind of passage of the Bible...Maybe just like me more than 20 years ago when I hated the former dictator of my country of origin, I was kind of dismissive and always in avoidance of preaching about Romans 13 that teaching us to honour the government.....Just maybe...I could be wrong...
There are several reasons why this is not a parable.
1. People are not named but Moses and Abraham are named.
2. Angel's are not mentioned in parables but angels carried Lazarus to Abraham's bosom.
3.Parables have earthly settings, bu Hades is not an earthly setting.
4. If this is a parable, why did Jesus tell a parable which denies soul sleep?
God bless you. Roy Page.
Read Matthew 13:34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
@@TruthMattersJ146 I answered this point in my teaching on this. Search "Logos Apostolic rich man and Lazarus " on UA-cam. God bless you.
Your 4 points are *subjective* - not Biblical - arguments.
1. Is there a Biblical prohibition against using proper names in parables? Not one text. The reason He used them is evident in the interpretation of the parable.
2. Is there a Biblical prohibition against using angels in parables? Not one text. Besides, the saints don’t get carried anywhere when they die any more than sinners can carry on a conversation while completely engulfed in flames when they die.
3. Deuteronomy 32:22 and Proverbs 11:31 prove the wicked suffer hellfire punishment *on this Earth.*
4. Because parables often deny reality. In them, things happen that cannot and do not happen in real experience. You asking why Jesus would give a parable that denies soul sleep is like someone asking, “Why did Jotham tell a parable that denies trees can’t talk?”
@@kjohn8917 is there a biblical example of using proper names in parables? Not one.
@@lacoguk Look, the reason why no Bible scholar worth his salt considers your "proper names" argument to hold much water is because *there's no Biblical precedent or prohibition that disallows the use of proper names in a parable.*
If the absence of proper names in other parables makes the use of them in Luke 16 "proof" that the passage is literal --- then the absence of walking, talking trees in all other parables makes Jotham's story literal. Look out, that thorn bush you weed whacked last week is sneaking up behind you.
There are many clues in the parable* of Lazarus and the Rich Man that, instead of contrasting the saved vs. unsaved, it's contrasting the treatment of Jews vs. Gentiles in the gospel age^, when the tables would be turned**:
1. Rich Man -- is never directly accused of a sin (only of being wealthy)^^
2. Lazarus -- is never described as righteous (only of being a beggar)* * *
3. Purple -- indicates royalty (chosenness)
4. Fine linen -- was for Jewish priests (Exodus 28:39)
5. Abraham -- why is he in this parable at all? Because it specifically concerns Judaism.
6. Father Abraham -- described as "Father"
7. Flame -- the flame is singular -- not plural -- strongly suggesting this isn't about literal hell
8. Five Brothers -- The 5 FULL-blooded brothers of Judah were Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar & Zebulun (Gen. 35:23)
9. Moses & Prophets -- The Jewish people had Moses and the prophets
10. Not Convinced by One Rising from the Dead -- a prophecy of Christ's pending resurrection, which his Jewish audience would become very familiar with but would not heed (for the most part)
* It follows the parables of the Lost Sheep, the Lost Coin, the Prodigal Son and the Unjust Steward, strongly suggesting that it, too, is a parable. So does one drop of water being able to help in this situation.
^ In the gospel age, Israel is partially hardened by God (Rom. 11:25), while Gentiles are included in the church.
** None of this excuses centuries of anti-semitism, but this parable appears to predict it.
^^ The Rich Man's material wealth represents his belonging to the chosen people, and having the written revelation of God (Hebrew scriptures).
* * * Lazarus represents Gentiles who were beggars in the sense that they were lacking truth about God, due to God's chosen people not having shared it with them. (Consider the unjust steward in the parable immediately preceding this one, and Jesus overturning tables at the temple.) It's also been argued that since "Lazarus" means "helped by God," this implies his righteousness, but that conclusion doesn't follow.
For more, see Bryan T. Huie's _Lazarus and the Rich Man_ article
Why didn't Lazarus and Abraham, do as the rich man instructed? my thought is, both of these men, didn't have any key to hell, and would not have returned back into heaven, if they had ventured into hell.
Fascinating Fact: Satan has a single key to hell, Jesus has multiple keys to hell. Satan used that key to get out of hell, and return to the world, in Revelation 13, when he was wounded to death, after suffering a gun shot to the head, With the help of the second beast of course.
HELL & PUNISHMENT
IN THE GRAVE IN THE BIBLE.
LUKE 16:19-21
THERE WAS A RICH MAN WHO WAS DRESSED IN PURPLE AND FINE LINEN AND LIVED IN LUXURY EVERYDAY
20: AT HIS GATE WAS LAID A BEGGAR NAMED LAZARUS COVERED WITH SORES.
21: AND LONGING TO EAT WHAT FELL FROM THE RICH MAN'S TABLE. EVEN THE DOGS CAME AND LICK HIS SORES.
22: THE TIME CAME WHEN THE BEGGAR DIED AND THE ANGELS CARRIED HIM TO ABRAHAM'S SIDE .
THE RICH MAN ALSO DIED AND WAS BURIED.
23: IN HELL WHERE HE WAS IN TORMENT , HE LOOKED UP AND SAW ABRAHAM FAR AWAY WITH LAZARUS BY HIS SIDE .
24: SO HE CALLED TO HIM " FATHER ABRAHAM , HAVE PITY ON ME AND SEND LAZARUS TO DIP THE TIP OF HIS FINGER IN WATER AND COOL MY TONGUE BECAUSE I AM IN AGONY IN THIS FIRE .'
DEUTERONOMY 32:22
22: FOR A FIRE HAS BEEN KINDLED BY MY WRATH
ONE THAT BURNS TO THE REALM OF DEATH BELOW. IT WILL DEVOUR THE EARTH AND IT'S HARVESTS AND SET AFIRE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE MOUNTAINS.
ISAIAH 24:21
" AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THAT DAY THAT THE LORD SHALL PUNISH THE HOST OF THE HIGH ONES THAT ARE ON HIGH AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH UPON THE EARTH.'
PROVERBS 11:31
31: " BEHOLD THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL BE RECOMPENSED IN THE EARTH MUCH MORE THE WICKED
JOB 11:8
8: THEY ARE HIGHER THAN THE HEAVENS _
WHAT CAN YOU DO ?
THEY'RE DEEPER THAN THE DEPTHS OF THE GRAVES_
WHAT CAN YOU KNOW ?
AMOS 9:2
2: THOUGH THEY DIG DOWN TO THE DEPTHS OF THE GRAVE, FROM THERE
MY HAND WILL TAKE THEM.
THOUGH THEY CLIMB UP TO THE HEAVENS,
FROM THERE ,I WILL BRING THEM DOWN
EVEN IF HELL MEANS
THE " GRAVE ' AND
SCRIPTURE SHOULD
DESCRIBE HELL AS IT
WOULD THE GRAVE.
THE BIBLE STATES THAT THERE IS
PENALTY AND PUNISHMENT IN BOTH HELL & GRAVE.
IF THERE IS NO PENALTY AND JESUS
TOOK ALL THE BLAME FOR OUR SINS THEN WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT,
ISN'T IT?
Why are you yelling? “Do what ever we want”, says the fool. No, there is punishment to correct such foolishness. The gospel message is that the kingdom has come to earth and everyone should change their heart and mind.
Romans chapter 6 directly addresses this, as it is not a new argument. In fact, I would encourage you to read the entire book of Romans, especially chapters 1-8, and read it carefully to understand what the Biblical argument is for salvation and living a new life because of Jesus' sacrifice.
Lazarus as a “ waiter” or as an “ errand boy”..,,
Why is everyone in these comments so lost
Rich man represents Israel and Lazurs represents gentiles.
Thanks for the symbolism....The fulfillment took place in the New Testament.. Luke 16: 16
That is a crock of crap. Jesus was directly speaking to the pharisees who wanted to kill Lazarus because Jesus brought him back from death. Paul warned not to bost against Israel but yet here you be a bosting though you dont even understand what you are reading. I pray the Father helps you with your understanding.
@@elizabethmonroe5791 you are completely mistaken I think. Both Lazarus are different. If not please show me versus from bible
Please use decent words, I am commenting on God words.
@@gjose88 I did us decent words. If you read the bible in its entirety then you will see that Jesus was not saying that all of Israel is the rich man. Paul said that Israel in part was cut out of the tree so that you may be grafted in. He also went on to say that in the end All Israel will be saved so Paul warns against bosting against Israel. Jesus was not against Israel He was only against those who add to the laws of God in order to lord it over Gods people. Remember when Jesus said he came only for the lost sheep of Israel? He had a reason for saying this. When Soloman died God ripped the kingdom of Israel in two. He did this because of the sins Solomon committed in the latter years of his life due to all him foreign wives. The 10 tribes sinned and after many years of no repentance God divorced the 10 tribes and scattered them through out the whole world. They assimilated into all the kingdoms for which God had scattered them to the point where today they dont even know their ancestors were even part of Israel. They are called the lost sheep of the house of Israel. They are known today as gentiles. You were grafted in in hopes of saving the lost sheep. There is a difference between the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
He's got it all wrong. This parable was directed at the Pharisees, it's not about heaven and hell but the Pharisees rejecting Christ's message. Amazing how preachers turn this into proof of eternal punishment. No merciful, just God would sentence anyone to eternal torture.
Correct you are ! Too bad that so few see it.
This is a story, a parable. Jesus has points to this story. In real life lazarus was a close friend and also one who died that Jesus brought back. You need to remember that the pharisees wanted to kill lazarus because of the miracle. In this story that he told yes for the sake of the pharisees hearing he used a name Lazarus. The whole moral of this story is that if they dont listen to moses and the prophets they wont listen even though one is raised from the dead. Its not a story that all rich will go to hell and its not a story about all poor will go to heaven. This story is directed to the pharisees who add to YHWHs laws and who wants to kill Lazarus. What it is not is proof if what happens after we die.
People forget that Jesus said to his disciples that it was given to them to understand but not to the world. Its better to pray about it because the one who seeks truth the Spirit of the Living God will give truth. Just because someone has been to seminary school does not mean crap. Better to be schooled by YHWHs Spirit.
JESUS said to one next to HIM on a cross, “Today, you will be with me in paradise.”
And you think that a just God will allow sin to go unpunished? Try doing a study on how many times Jesus talked about hell.
Don Carson, parables represent something -- Not to be taken literal as told or written.
My Short Version of this important parable
This parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus signifies the bringing into God's kingdom the lowly gentile beggars (Lazarus or Eliezer) and the excluding or throwing out the pious rich Jews(Judah as a whole - not as a man) and their "religious" high priests (purple robes) - Hence, Jesus said the kingdom will be taken from you (Jews) and turned over to another (Gentiles). So, yes they will be and are in agony. They were on fire as it were.
Please send Lazarus to warn my five brother's... Judah ("Rich Man") had a mother, Leah and she had 6 kids...Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, and finally Judah "The Rich Man" which was the 6th son of the patriarch Jacob and Leah. True, there was 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob) however, not by the same mother. The high minded Jews (Judah) knew what Jesus meant by this parable and so they hated Jesus and began to conspire to have him killed..... Now that's a parable!!
The rich man was Esau!
The rich man is in "hades" (and not in hell) - the equivalent of the Hebrew sheol, the place where all the dead go (Luke 16:23). Most modern translations (ESV, NIV etc) retain "hades", while the KJV translates hades as hell. The word "gehenna" is translated hell. In other words, this parable, while it does carries a heavy warning, is not about what happens to the rich man in "hell".
the rich man himself calls it a place of torment, and the implication is clear that he cannot go to the "bosom of Abraham" - so whether there's a necessary distinguishment between hell and hades seems fairly inconsequential and frankly speculative. The Bible doesn't seem terribly interested in laying out the exact topography or nomenclature of these sorts of "places". A lot of this assumes that Jesus was using technical terms in describing hades, gehenna, and so on, but I see no real reason to assume that's the case, as each is illustrative more of the point being made more than intended to be a precise description of such a "place."
He was in torment and wanted to have his tongue cooled.
“ you may come out losing a little of what your parents had at the same age ..,” that’s losing the American Dream
America is the devil. Keep dreaming, the love of money is the root of all evil. It also drives everything in America.
The word translated 'hell', 'hades', I take to refer to the place where the unblessed dead go after they die but before the final judgement (cf paradise for the blessed). If true, it is here that the rich man is in torment. The final judgement has not yet come. It doesn't bode well for the rich man, still, to be subject to eternal destruction after that judgement.
Or maybe I'm reading too much into the parable in the wrong place, and missing it's main point. Which is what? Perhaps: Believe the prophets! ?
Or perhaps: Fear God, because judgement is coming. ?
Or even: Why don't you believe the witnesses? What would they gain from lying to you?
If that is the case then why have a final judgement when they have already been judged?
Jesus gets to the main point at the end of this parable. He says that they did not believe moses or the prophets that God had sent so why would they believe one who comes back from the dead. Remember after Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead that the pharisees wanted to kill Lazarus again because they feared the miracle and feared losing their power is one point the other point is that even when God raises Jesus from the dead these same pharisees still wont believe that Jesus came from God even though moses spoke of Him as well as the prophets.
@@elizabethmonroe5791 Thanks Elizabeth, I think you're right. (How many times does one read that in UA-cam comments? Not often.) I think an interesting next question is, what is it about the law and the prophets that Jesus implies that they themselves are sufficient to yield trust in God? But I'm not expecting you to answer that one....
The bible reading did not mention that the rich man is a sinner. He wasn't in hades because he's a thief, gambler, a murderer or anything like that. He was in hades because he's rich.
I don’t think that’s correct. The Bible is clear that we can only get to heaven if we have faith in Jesus’ death and resurrection and the justification he achieves for us. Although there is no sin explicitly mentioned we get a small insight into the identity of each person. Lazarus is the only character in any parable of Jesus who is named. His name means “God saves”. On the other hand, the whole identity of the rich man is summed up in the way he is referred to. He is rich. That is what his identity is wrapped up in. Lazarus is not in heaven because he is poor, he is in heaven because he trusts in God, as is revealed in his name. The rich man is in hell because he is deluded into thinking his wealth and status will carry over into eternal life. He does not trust in God, he trusts only in himself. He still thinks of himself as superior, asking Abraham to send Lazarus as if Lazarus is still subordinate to him and fit to run errands for him and having the audacity to correct Abraham in v.30.
@@joshuataylor4185 the rich man is in hades because of his sin of omission. Even if he have been a thief or even a murderer, his sins could have been forgiven if he truly repents. Even if he believes that faith in Jesus will save him, he will still go to hades. That's because, as Jesus has told the goats, you didn't give me drink when I'm thirsty, you didn't give me food when I'm hungry, you didn't let me in your home when I was an immigrant, you didn't even visit me when I was sick or imprisoned. This rich man have all the means to do those things, but he didn't because his wealth surrounded him from seeing those oppressed around him. In order to be saved, faith and works are needed, not by faith alone.
@@aliszhinchaenz Ephesians 2:8-9 "8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast." It is faith that LEADS to works. It is not works that save, it is faith alone. But saving faith produces a change in the lives of those who possess it and necessitates godly works in their lives. Faith which is not accompanied by action is dead (James 2:17) but it is not the works that saves, it is the faith which produces works.
@@joshuataylor4185 you are indeed correct, faith without actions is dead, that is what I'm trying to point out.
@@aliszhinchaenz , you have answered rightly.. the rich man did not love neighbor: when I was thirsty you gave me no drink.. when I was hungry you gave me no meat.. when I was naked you clothed me not.. when I was sick or in jail you visited me not.. when I was a stranger you took me not in. Matthew 25:31-46
The goats are going into everlasting punishment in the lake of fire; because they didn't love their neighbor
If you love your neighbor, you love God
If you don't love your neighbor, whom you see, how can you love God, whom you don't see?
Faith without works is dead
Many rich ministers don't love their neighbor, and Jesus is going to say to them: depart from me
Jesus didn't call this a parable so why does D A Carson?
The first thing we should learn is that this isn't a parable. These are real specific people with names. In the genuine parables of Jesus, no one has a name. In this passage 2 of the 3 characters have names.
Clearly this was NOT the Lazarus who Jesus would later raise from the dead. Remember that Lazarus was, in first century Israel, a fairly common name. As common as Larry is today.
This is a simple parable about how the Jews rejected the messiah. The people mentioned are just to make a point, they are not real.
@@Lovingkindness. I believe Jesus and you believe DA Carson. Not the only time where I disagree with DA Carson.
The parable is about "a certain rich man" not Lazarus ..most parables begin this way
@@pastorart1974 It was a parable and it was directed strait to the pharisees who wanted to kill Lazarus because Jesus preformed the miracle of raising Lazarus from the dead. The whole point of this story is this, Jesus said if they will not believe moses and the prophets whom God had already sent to them then they will not believe one even if he is raised from the dead. Instead of believing when Christ raised Lazarus from the dead they saught to kill Lazarus again and that they still would not believe Jesus when God raises Christ from the dead.
@Elizabeth Monroe
I have already refuted every one of your points.
The way you know you are dealing with a left wing liberal scholar is that they tell you that the Bible means the opposite of what it actually says.
Not a parable wise guy 😢
Just like a camel trying to go into the eye of a needle…..,
PS Richard Dawkins is this man's evil twin
Sorry but JESUS never tells this as a parable
Lazarus is an real person with a name and parables do not contain names or hen referring to someone
the parable is about "a certain rich man" not Lazarus....All parables begin this way.
@@lauraoliver8714 sorry lady but is not a parable
Nowhere says it is
@@tetelestai5736 It is a parable. You can not make a rule that is not found in scripture. You have no witness to back up that it isnt a parable.
@@elizabethmonroe5791 read the scriptures lady
It never states that it is a parable
It is stupid for you to write that I have no witnesses to go back in time and confirm that when it is impossible for me to do so
The scriptures are there so you can read them without having to go back in time
It is one thing if you don't accept my opinion and it is another to have your own opinion which I will not and don't care to change it
@@tetelestai5736 There are witnesses that Jesus said moses and the prophets. Read the old testament.