Lol, I only notice now that NATRES is in the game! I work for them :D As you can see by the point value, they're basically armed militia / reserve forces. They never had a LAW though :P They did have an automatic support weapon, until a few years back the Minimi. Would be more accurate to give them that. The DAF YA4440 is really bad for your back, speaking from experience :P Nowadays they dont have FALs but Colt C7NLDs assault rifles. Vehicles are the YA4442 and the Volkswagen Amarok (modified for army). Before the VW, we had the Mercedes G-Class in a few different versions.
I am a dutch veteran and as most signed up for natres. Since does someone work "for" natres? Seccond, most of them are veterans and so it is not a "militia" , also natres is used as training opponent to the dutch marine corps, special forces, luchtmobiel (para's) So they train also a lot, and not just militia. Further i not even want to expand my comments on this
I feel your resentment with the joint strike fighter...in Australia we are buying these too...way over budget, not fast enough, not agile enough, super expensive...its become a project which is "too big to fail"...we put all our eggs into one basket...a jet which promises everything and will succeed at nothing!
+BaronVonBoyce Yes! A thousand times yes! (though for some reason they've named it C7 Carbine) Proposed Loadout for Pathfindeer '95: - C8 Carbine - Carl G (HE rounds only) - Minimi
+tkoshy Yes, I saw that bug too. I submitted it on the forums. I'm sure they'll change it, it seems trivial compared to some of the other bugs but I submitted a similar bug which got fixed back when the C15 LRSW was named the Macmillan Tac-50 for the RECCE team.
As mentioned, C7 and C8 are different weapons. I'm working for the Dutch National Reserve Corps, and we use the C7NLD which has the long barrel and single optics (Aimpoint). C8 Carbine is used for vehicle crews and recon units. regular infantry uses the C7 both with 2 optics, aimpoint + (sort of) acog scope.
I kinda lost my shit when I found this out. I actually thought the update was just an update and when I went to make a new deck I was like "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH"
Interesting thing to note that you didn't go over in the LOG tab, the first supply helicopter can be used as a command vehicle to capture zones in addition to it's actual role in supplying things. I'm not sure if this is working as designed or not since it has no command marker in the name, but I doubt this was intended.
I always find it strange they get the mariniers wrong, as in normally the saw was otherwise a c7 laow or for the older ones a heavy barreled fal. The marines never used the minimi for regular units.
nice Video, was thinking about getting the DLC for myself too, As for the JSF: Too much money for it's bang, they got all these nice new features like an immersive helmet with which you can look 360 degrees through your own plane like you're not sitting in it, but overall, less performance then our trusty F16, the only reason they did not stop the project was because they invested lot's of money in it already, ironically, that way of thinking costs a lot more still for a project that's basically doomed......
+Yu Lou ~ Ha3..I heard this comment too often..but usually to Asian American..'You are American? You don't look American..No wonder your english is soo good" =P
I find it funny that the Cheetah PLRT is the same price as a Gerard A1 but does not have a stabilizer. I never use the cheetah unless, I'm playing Dutch only, because of this.
Hey Stealth, great to see Wargame vids from you again :D I was going to ask if you will be reviewing my deck which i have sent in. I know you have a lot on your plate (probably) so i have no problems waiting. Cheers and best of luck in the future friend :)
+heinzxzxzxzxzx i think it will play out like a blufor sovkor. it doesnt have much going for it besides tanks. East For was pretty much the meta faction before this patch, along with blue mixed. The patch buffed eastern block superheavys and completely nuked blu mixed, so it looks like East For is the new king
Why do I get this error whenever I try import any deck: "missing content nation reds" wtf? Even if its vanilla or from a dlc I allready own it still happens! Please tell me a fix.
+Jason Northrup The way damage calculation (DPS) works in Wargame, the less range there is the less accuracy counts and the more fire rate counts. And the opposite is true for long range. So battle rifles are best for long range, assault rifles better in shorter ranges.
So F-35 discussion :D I personally really don't like it, especially for my own country (Belgium) and some of these arguments might apply to the Netherlands as well since I think we have about the same amount of F-16s. My problem with the F-35 for a country like Belgium/Netherlands is it's role and efficiency in that role. The F-35 excels when it can use its stealth for a first strike mission/wild weasel type mission or for air superiority* *Air superiority role is very hard to discuss since all the relevant technologies are mostly classified. In case of the F-35 what is known is the following: It loses in dogfights to current non-stealth air superiority fighters (it lost in exercises to the Eurofighter and Rafales iirc) It's main advantage would be that it could fire it's missiles first, however, this is very hard to discuss because of the stealth vs radar discussion for which there is little evidence to support any arguments. Suffice to say if it doesn't get the first missile off, it's air superiority role goes down the drain. Either way, realistically the first strike/wild weasel type mission is what it will be flying anyway because if we are fighting the latest Sukhois or the PAKFA we have other problems (like the nukes on both sides). I just don't see Belgium or the Netherlands do these kinds of missions. We are never the first to go into a conflict and if we are, we play a supporting role for our NATO allies. I think we would be much better served by having efficient ground attack aircraft like the Rafale, the Eurofighter or even the Hornet or Gripen. All of these planes are a lot more efficient in both operating and purchase costs than the F-35 and some of them can even carry more weapons.
+ForeverDoubting nobody should buy the f-35. I hope Finland(my country ;)) would get the new JAS Grippen E. SAAB said that their radar could detect f-35 so there goes the "stealth".
Yeah and the Russians seem to be approaching AAM fire defense by just putting a shit ton of ECM on their planes I'm also sceptical on how effective the F-35s stealth is but it's hard to discuss because there are often no numbers to compare, I would be really interested in a source if you have it regarding that statement by SAAB
+ForeverDoubting ~ In Vietnam war..they though the F-4 Phantom can get by the air war by just having missile on their planes..after their planes being shoot down like flies to the Mig-15 gun then only they thought 'owh..putting guns on the F-4 is such not a bad idea after all'..dogfighting skills is always need =)
+ForeverDoubting I am a supporter of the f35 project but I agree that countries like Belgium have no real use for it at this time. It is best suited to ground attack using stealth and first strike missions, which is why I think it will do very well in the type of conflicts that the US military is getting in these days. I think that the fact that it has lost to air superiority fighter is not that big of a deal because it has not been in service for very long and pilots are still creating tactics for it. It will take like 10 years for pilots to start to get the full capability out of the plane. Also, it is not really intended to be used as an asf, it is more like a multirole in wargame terminology. We have the f22 for pwning other jets.
@@wanro027 No I wanted to go to the Navy when I was younger. Didn't get in unfortunately. I just read a lot of stuff about the Dutch armed forces back in the day.
All superheavies will survive two 26 ap missiles in the front, a tank with 22 armor takes 3 damage from those Wargame damage sheet for HEAT-weapons: www.dropbox.com/s/l2u8w7tuj7igiul/WargameRD_Hidden_Knowledge_Spreadsheet.xls !! make shure to go to the right page of the spreadsheet (the one named HEAT)
+Charles Fowler Pretty sure this is a bug, it's been submitted on the forums. I believe all recon infantry squads at shock or elite training are meant to be 10-men.
Don't have a problem with F-35s. Only with the British government. Two things, selling 70+ Harriers for barely half of the price of the F-35 II is a DISGRACE. Harriers were still relevant anyway. Also, naval spending review. What kind of numpty are you employing if, after a spending review, you have two multi-billion pound super carriers AND NO PLANES TO TAKE OFF FROM THEM. WHO THE HELL ARE THEY EMPLOYING!? They won't even leave disable peoples money alone...
It's to hard to comment on the JSF because we don't have all the data on its performance and it's still in development. Id be buying Mig29 and SU27s and put NATO avionics and weapons on them...
+Michael Yiannett or just upgrade and update aircraft to continue their use and improve them. "Don't reinvent the wheel, just realign it (Anthony J. D'Angelo)
The Dutch F-16s are very old and extremely worn out. They need replaced. Why not replace them with the best (can say this as I know aerospace engineering)?
I love how the Dutch AT/ Multirole is EXACTLY the same as the Danish MLU (and the same price) but it has 2 less AMRAAMs.
+Br1ckbuster Just like how the AMX Roland 3 is basically the same as the German Roland 3 but cheaper and with more armor?
Lasertech Studios Yeah :)
***** Yeah, good point.
Lol, I only notice now that NATRES is in the game! I work for them :D As you can see by the point value, they're basically armed militia / reserve forces. They never had a LAW though :P They did have an automatic support weapon, until a few years back the Minimi. Would be more accurate to give them that. The DAF YA4440 is really bad for your back, speaking from experience :P Nowadays they dont have FALs but Colt C7NLDs assault rifles. Vehicles are the YA4442 and the Volkswagen Amarok (modified for army). Before the VW, we had the Mercedes G-Class in a few different versions.
Interesting to see some personal experiences here. Thanks! :)
I am a dutch veteran and as most signed up for natres.
Since does someone work "for" natres?
Seccond, most of them are veterans and so it is not a "militia" , also natres is used as training opponent to the dutch marine corps, special forces, luchtmobiel (para's)
So they train also a lot, and not just militia. Further i not even want to expand my comments on this
I feel your resentment with the joint strike fighter...in Australia we are buying these too...way over budget, not fast enough, not agile enough, super expensive...its become a project which is "too big to fail"...we put all our eggs into one basket...a jet which promises everything and will succeed at nothing!
+Rob bk Sums up the f-35 project too.
true, but its something that will always happen with projects this size. read up on history of f16, basically same story.
How dare they give the Dutch the C8 Carbine, but not the Canadians. :P
Requesting Pathfinders '95
+BaronVonBoyce Yes! A thousand times yes! (though for some reason they've named it C7 Carbine)
Proposed Loadout for Pathfindeer '95:
- C8 Carbine
- Carl G (HE rounds only)
- Minimi
+tkoshy Yes, I saw that bug too. I submitted it on the forums.
I'm sure they'll change it, it seems trivial compared to some of the other bugs but I submitted a similar bug which got fixed back when the C15 LRSW was named the Macmillan Tac-50 for the RECCE team.
As mentioned, C7 and C8 are different weapons. I'm working for the Dutch National Reserve Corps, and we use the C7NLD which has the long barrel and single optics (Aimpoint). C8 Carbine is used for vehicle crews and recon units. regular infantry uses the C7 both with 2 optics, aimpoint + (sort of) acog scope.
the F16 MLU is a dutch block 52 basically
btw the LVT4 dates back to ww2
+Eric Lu Widely use by the Americans in the Pacific campgain
You must be so proud since you are from the Netherlands :D
I kinda lost my shit when I found this out. I actually thought the update was just an update and when I went to make a new deck I was like "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH"
Interesting thing to note that you didn't go over in the LOG tab, the first supply helicopter can be used as a command vehicle to capture zones in addition to it's actual role in supplying things. I'm not sure if this is working as designed or not since it has no command marker in the name, but I doubt this was intended.
Thanks for pointing out that Leopard recon rank. I saw it, but assumed it was the German Leopard 1A1 recon tank.
Why no Mercedes-Benz G-Class as command vehicles? They existed in multiple versions!
My dad was a driver on the YP 408
Did no one notice how the Jeep motor was amphibious ?
+isaiah belter Not just amphibious, but amphibious at 50 kp/h. Pretty sure that this is a bug.
+isaiah belter Yeah, thats interesting. Thats like saying a Ford Focus is amphibious!
+Br1ckbuster 😝
+Br1ckbuster 😝
It might be! Top Gear already proved the Fiesta is, so...
I always find it strange they get the mariniers wrong, as in normally the saw was otherwise a c7 laow or for the older ones a heavy barreled fal. The marines never used the minimi for regular units.
Curious to see how good a Dutch german armored deck would be? I think it could be one of the best if not the best setup for a armored deck.
+The Cludd Video of that up tomorrow!
+Stealth17 Gaming nice I wonder if you can still keep the appache if so that is going to be one heck of a deck :).
After patch the best armored deck in game is USRR-North Korea Aliance
in 2016 we only have 16 leopard 2s now which we basically rent from the Germans after selling them to them in the first place XD
nice Video, was thinking about getting the DLC for myself too,
As for the JSF: Too much money for it's bang, they got all these nice new features like an immersive helmet with which you can look 360 degrees through your own plane like you're not sitting in it, but overall, less performance then our trusty F16, the only reason they did not stop the project was because they invested lot's of money in it already, ironically, that way of thinking costs a lot more still for a project that's basically doomed......
I thought you were from an English speaking country. But now I know you are from the Netherlands. Your English is quite good!
+Yu Lou ~ Ha3..I heard this comment too often..but usually to Asian American..'You are American? You don't look American..No wonder your english is soo good" =P
Very good
KCT is only the '75 variant. A shame there is no '95. It's possible they used the Uzi back then as a CQB weapon..but that's only a guess.
I absolutely love the Dutch air tab!
+Mr. Apple lol why?
Apaches and F-16s, what's not to like?
The apache is solid but the planes are nothing special. No good medium price asf. No sead. No good bomber
I find it funny that the Cheetah PLRT is the same price as a Gerard A1 but does not have a stabilizer. I never use the cheetah unless, I'm playing Dutch only, because of this.
Cheetah PRTL*
Hey Stealth, great to see Wargame vids from you again :D I was going to ask if you will be reviewing my deck which i have sent in. I know you have a lot on your plate (probably) so i have no problems waiting. Cheers and best of luck in the future friend :)
They don't have any SEAD aircrafts?!
Its historically accurate tho. Dutch Armed Forces simply too small to have all tech in house. They don't have ICBM defense either.
You can use the 25 point supply chopper as a cv. But iI think they will fix this soon.
im pretty sure kct are supposed to be 10 man
I have a feeling that the German/Dutch coalition will be very very powerful
+heinzxzxzxzxzx i think it will play out like a blufor sovkor. it doesnt have much going for it besides tanks. East For was pretty much the meta faction before this patch, along with blue mixed. The patch buffed eastern block superheavys and completely nuked blu mixed, so it looks like East For is the new king
+heinzxzxzxzxzx I think they have very powerful and efficient units in every tab and they really add to each other
Feels like mini-USA
Recon units like Huzaren should come in FENNEK vehicles.
tijdperiode van het spel loopt tot ongeveer 1995. de fennek is pas in dienst bij defensie sinds 2006.
Hi, the V letter stands for 5 in roman numbers. love your wargame videos
Too excited to see that tactical missile spam in 10v10 games. 2 cards of 2 two is a bit too much imo.
aml 60/20's are pretty good at pinpointing fire onto infantry and quick response. your "mortar jeep" may be similar
what's the difference between genie and sapeurs?
+Jason Northrup i'm guessing one use's a napalm rocket launcher and the other uses a flame thrower respectively.
Why do I get this error whenever I try import any deck: "missing content nation reds" wtf? Even if its vanilla or from a dlc I allready own it still happens!
Please tell me a fix.
Don't know sorry, try the forums.
battle rifles have about 70m range over the assault rifles, usually slower ROF. not sure about intra building combat though
the diffrince is between when they most accurate. wat game hidden stats.
+Jason Northrup The way damage calculation (DPS) works in Wargame, the less range there is the less accuracy counts and the more fire rate counts. And the opposite is true for long range. So battle rifles are best for long range, assault rifles better in shorter ranges.
dat autocannon transport look very simular to s.korean KFV 25 imo,also fire supp. infantry ftw
How to mail my deck to stealth17gaming because i am really confuse on my deck
It's best you submit it to Reddit here: www.reddit.com/r/wargame. I don't cover Wargame anymore.
What do you think about giving free 3 nations (Nords DLC) and demanding €6 for one nation? :D
pretty sure I could load french command squads in the vab t20/30
They have an Uzi. they're really good with it but it's still an Uzi
Clearly Eugene's primary goal in life is screwing you over, targets out to get me personally.
So F-35 discussion :D
I personally really don't like it, especially for my own country (Belgium) and some of these arguments might apply to the Netherlands as well since I think we have about the same amount of F-16s.
My problem with the F-35 for a country like Belgium/Netherlands is it's role and efficiency in that role.
The F-35 excels when it can use its stealth for a first strike mission/wild weasel type mission or for air superiority*
*Air superiority role is very hard to discuss since all the relevant technologies are mostly classified.
In case of the F-35 what is known is the following: It loses in dogfights to current non-stealth air superiority fighters (it lost in exercises to the Eurofighter and Rafales iirc)
It's main advantage would be that it could fire it's missiles first, however, this is very hard to discuss because of the stealth vs radar discussion for which there is little evidence to support any arguments.
Suffice to say if it doesn't get the first missile off, it's air superiority role goes down the drain.
Either way, realistically the first strike/wild weasel type mission is what it will be flying anyway because if we are fighting the latest Sukhois or the PAKFA we have other problems (like the nukes on both sides).
I just don't see Belgium or the Netherlands do these kinds of missions. We are never the first to go into a conflict and if we are, we play a supporting role for our NATO allies. I think we would be much better served by having efficient ground attack aircraft like the Rafale, the Eurofighter or even the Hornet or Gripen.
All of these planes are a lot more efficient in both operating and purchase costs than the F-35 and some of them can even carry more weapons.
+ForeverDoubting nobody should buy the f-35. I hope Finland(my country ;)) would get the new JAS Grippen E.
SAAB said that their radar could detect f-35 so there goes the "stealth".
Yeah and the Russians seem to be approaching AAM fire defense by just putting a shit ton of ECM on their planes I'm also sceptical on how effective the F-35s stealth is but it's hard to discuss because there are often no numbers to compare, I would be really interested in a source if you have it regarding that statement by SAAB
+ForeverDoubting ~ In Vietnam war..they though the F-4 Phantom can get by the air war by just having missile on their planes..after their planes being shoot down like flies to the Mig-15 gun then only they thought 'owh..putting guns on the F-4 is such not a bad idea after all'..dogfighting skills is always need =)
Qamarul Hafiz Zainol Abidin Indeed
+ForeverDoubting I am a supporter of the f35 project but I agree that countries like Belgium have no real use for it at this time. It is best suited to ground attack using stealth and first strike missions, which is why I think it will do very well in the type of conflicts that the US military is getting in these days. I think that the fact that it has lost to air superiority fighter is not that big of a deal because it has not been in service for very long and pilots are still creating tactics for it. It will take like 10 years for pilots to start to get the full capability out of the plane. Also, it is not really intended to be used as an asf, it is more like a multirole in wargame terminology. We have the f22 for pwning other jets.
You must work in the army?
No, why?
@@Stealth17Gaming you know a lot man....its like you are in the army for years
@@wanro027 No I wanted to go to the Navy when I was younger. Didn't get in unfortunately. I just read a lot of stuff about the Dutch armed forces back in the day.
very good optics on a tank?
+Jason Northrup Reece tank, but I foresee Stealth charging into battle with hordes of those things.
Should point out that i am Trajanus as well haha
korps mariniers v commandos Marines?
note that Gepard means cheetah in german
All superheavies will survive two 26 ap missiles in the front, a tank with 22 armor takes 3 damage from those
Wargame damage sheet for HEAT-weapons:
www.dropbox.com/s/l2u8w7tuj7igiul/WargameRD_Hidden_Knowledge_Spreadsheet.xls
!! make shure to go to the right page of the spreadsheet (the one named HEAT)
Eugen should add tactical missiles for other nations .
KCT are just 5 man SBS for the same cost
+Charles Fowler
Pretty sure this is a bug, it's been submitted on the forums. I believe all recon infantry squads at shock or elite training are meant to be 10-men.
+stealh17 gaming are you dutch?
Yes
Niceeee
heeeeeeeeeeee Holland!!!!!!!!
so dus my great country have a campaign
Dutch come with 25 point cv supply chopper, CYKA BLAT my Russian bias is no more!!!! *Dies* *jk*
The KTC have only 5 man. not 10 like spetsnatz gru. that is a bid disapointed
+thijsschroots they will be a 10 man squad in the next hotfix
+stealth17 gaming ik ook
Dat was me al duidelijk uit ja naam ja ;)
A m from the Nederland 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱😇😇😇👍🏼
Nederland! (Dutch!)
Wow ik wist niet dat je Nederlands was :P
Don't have a problem with F-35s. Only with the British government. Two things, selling 70+ Harriers for barely half of the price of the F-35 II is a DISGRACE. Harriers were still relevant anyway. Also, naval spending review. What kind of numpty are you employing if, after a spending review, you have two multi-billion pound super carriers AND NO PLANES TO TAKE OFF FROM THEM. WHO THE HELL ARE THEY EMPLOYING!? They won't even leave disable peoples money alone...
Looks pretty cool but way too expensive for what it is. £5 is almost what I paid for the full game, too disproportional.
they have no sead plane. big problem
they never had in RL either. Had that outsourced to US / UK forces.
Are you dutch
33:50 *COUGH* NUKE LAUNCHER *COUGH*
You skipped a lot of units dude
It's to hard to comment on the JSF because we don't have all the data on its performance and it's still in development. Id be buying Mig29 and SU27s and put NATO avionics and weapons on them...
+Michael Yiannett or just upgrade and update aircraft to continue their use and improve them. "Don't reinvent the wheel, just realign it (Anthony J. D'Angelo)
The Cludd
Yes totally agree. That seems to be what the Russian's are doing with their platforms.
It's a smart move and way of doing things.
The Dutch F-16s are very old and extremely worn out. They need replaced. Why not replace them with the best (can say this as I know aerospace engineering)?
ow yea your dutch cant hear that pritty good hahaha