@@Elintasokas the kind of people who were in the “skeptic” community have kind of shifted their focus away from feminists and more towards queer activists
@@GriffinPilgrimI am glad I never looked into onion boy till a year or two ago, he has such a weird history with people. I must be one of the lucky ones.
@@Real-Ruby-Red Back when I was hovering around the edge of the scene TJ was part of and one of the few things that lot agreed on was that Onision sucked so I was kinda vaguely aware of him. It was only much later I realised how bad it was.
@@GriffinPilgrim yeah, ive grown up with youtube and watching from the early days like early rwj =3 videos and i never looked into him, glad I didn’t because a lot of his fans were probably mentally damaged from that loser and ive probably only seen the surface lol
@@ellesper yeah he invented the stereotype. Although the fedora thing he didn't invent. He eventually bought a trilby just because everyone kept saying he wore a fedora.
He's literally the progenitor of the "outspoken online atheist libertarian". It's like saying you're not surprised to see Karl Marx looks like a 19th century communist.
Bro that charity stream with the dude messing with a loaded firearm while drunk gave me so much fucking anxiety. I can’t fucking stand people like that. If I’m intoxicated I don’t even fucking look at my guns. So stupid.
Some people have no sense of survival. I know when I’ve been drunk to not drive my car etc because it’s dangerous. If I had a gun I’d leave it in a drawer or keep it in a room.
Fake Sagan was always an unstable maniac, letting him get sh*tfaced while carrying his gun was completely irresponsible from everyone involved. Things actually got worse after BlogTV shut their livestream down. According to TJ, Case (FS’s actual name) freaked out over getting shut down, started arguing with TJ over a small remark he made, leading Case to point his gun at TJ and breaking down when they were able to wrestle it away from Case.
legitimately really sad to hear him talk about being molested and quickly start insisting that he’s not a victim and it didn’t damage him. denial is a strong force
Claiming you're not a victim is actually a common but seldom talked about defense mechanism. I am a victim myself and spent many years trying to convince myself and others that I "wanted it too" and by extension that I "consented." It wasn't until I was watching a video where (I think it was Angelica Huston) was defending someone who committed SA on a child and it was explained it's common that SA survivors will do that as a way of protecting themselves mentally from their own trauma. That's when it clicked for me and I started to realize and try to accept what happened to me. While I never argued for lowering the age of consent, I always believed I was able to consent at the age of 10 and 11. Long story short for everyone out there. If someone says something outrageous like "lower the age of consent" or that "kids can consent," they might not be PDFiles themselves, but a victim of one and is trying to mentally shield themselves from their trauma.
@ i totally agree, i am a victim of childhood sa and i still have trouble accepting it. like you said it’s unfortunately really common, and i hope he finds a way to work through it.
I think there's a difference between the victim mentality and being a victim. People with the victim mentality deny themselves agency and often use their victim status to dodge accountability. Acknowledging that something bad happened to you and that it's not your fault is healthy and good, defining yourself by your victimhood is not. I'm not familiar with TJ's sa story, so i can't speak for him, but I wanted to point that out.
Now lets do Count Dankulas old friend/ former political partner Sargon of Akkad. Dude argued himself into defending the Roman tradition on call out of the principle of being contrarian.
that was the joke… his whole schtick early in his career was touting himself as an exceptionally profound skeptic of his time who in reality was just a schlubby fat kid ranting in his garage.
@@zetokaiba5867What discords are you people part of? everybody always talks about how creepy discord moderators are and it just makes me think all of you hang out in some really gross circles.
@@dizzylilthing It's simple in any big discord if you're a female with a cartoon profile eventually a guy is gonna dm you it happens all the time, but not as often as it used too since MOST discord mods ban you if you reveal you're under 18 except those few who say they'll keep it a secret if you're their "friend". I've seen it first hand I changed my profile to MLP from a bet off a duel links b03 with one of my friends and a guy messaged me out the blue from a pokemon TCG server I barely used. Don't get me wrong though Reddit still has sickos like 50% of comments on R/Teens are deadass grown ass men it's just Discord is easier to separate a kid to groom.
The first few sentences I thought, I can kind of see where he is coming from. And then he writes that. Immediately just made me go, all your previous statements were lies you still are a pedophile and a willing one.
Literally not every single time Lmfao. you’ve just seen predators posing as libertarians. just like the pastors who pose as Christians to harm children. a true libertarian follows the NAP and wouldn’t ever harm a child or want to lower the age of consent.
That was 90% of the atheist community back in the day. That was way more profitable and attention grabbing than reasoned discussion of ideas. Hell it's still what makes internet careers today.
Memes aside, TJ is intelligent because he’s willing to admit when he’s wrong and has changed his stance on things over the years. Still smarter than the majority of conservatives on UA-cam these days
Big rant here, but I think TJ has always been a very reactionary UA-camr, and watching his old videos really paints a vivid picture of the American political climate at the time. Right after 9/11, the US had a MASSIVE religious boom. Creationists/televangelists were rising, religious debates like “prayer in school” and same-sex marriage were huge, we had a president with a personal phone line to God… it was a time of religious prosperity only matched with our ravenous patriotism. But there were no WMD’s in Iraq, the economy was in self-destruct mode, and a rising population of disillusioned teens now have the internet to vent their frustrations. Perfect time for someone like TJ to set them off. TJ might have some well-thought out arguments here and there, but really, his videos were always done to “dunk” on the aforementioned religious fruitcakes rather than any meaningful conversation. And he wasn’t alone in doing this- for every religious weirdo going “viral” for the time there were a dozen or so atheist channels responding to it. Just like reactionaries today, it was a culture of responding to cherry-picked “grievances” rather than ideology. This also helps to explain the transition to anti-sjw content with the rise of gamergate at the time. Rather than religion, the anger was targeted towards buzzfeed ragebait videos or “SJW OWNED” debates. Same reactionary rhetoric, and (somewhat) the same audience. This is coming from someone who still is an atheist, but see a lot of the “atheist” community of this time as being more destructive than progressive.
The topics you covered were thorough, but damn, this really left out a lot - All of DP history - All conflict with Brett Keane - Cody Weber and how he contributed to the channel - All DFF history I can't help but feel this video could be 3 hours long.
I agree, I watched the video by *Interesting Stuff From Around The World* about Amazing Atheist recently and it seems there's potentially a lot of contextual information that has been left out by JTK
As a fan of TJ turned primary fan of Drunken Peasants to now distancing from both medias and able to look back on things in hindsight, fully agree this was just a single snapshot of things and didn't quite serve in diving into TJ and crew history as Joon's other works :/ was so hyped to see him go over the circus that was TJ vs Brett Keane
@@baylabe if it weren't for the fact that Brett Keane is basically irrelevant to anyone but DP fans and people who actually watched him forever ago I'd think Joon should do one on him. I'd love it, but I don't think it would be a good move for his channel to cover such an obscure person
I think that it’s because TJ is such a Unique case. At one point he can have some pretty serious takes, but then does something so goofy, so far off, it kinda nullifies his serious demeanor. Like a walking contradiction.
As a teenager I loved his videos in the pre-"anti-sjw" era. But in early adulthood I quickly outgrew him and many others in these communities, and it makes me kinda sad to look back and see how emotionally stunted many of them are.
I too watched him before he went nuts about the "anti sjw" stuff and i cringe that i watched him even before then. I cant imagine watching him during the times after he started down that road. I would have probably turned out to be a very different person.
@@carlwinslo It was after his anti sjw phase where he went mad he was still fairly sane while he was anti sjw as well look how much damage the sjw ideology and adherents have done to entertainment and society
@@CraftyArts except pretty much none of those examples held water and it was the start of him becoming a lunatic in his own right while there are some outliers for the majority the antiwoke sjw movement wants good media again they don't care if a character is gay what they care about is if the only characteristic of that character is that they are gay
Fire fighters don't prevent fires, they deal with active fires. Obviously that's not a strict rule but that's like saying more EMTs will decrease the number of heart attacks
@@Northernheros no firefighters are apart of fire prevention and education. That's also apart of the job, to prevent fires. Some firemen if called will actually change your smoke detector. They won't like it but they will. So a bit pedantic I know, but its the truth.
@@Northernherosthey do a lot of preventive stuff to preempt forest fires. Clearing brush and actively setting smaller controlled fires to prevent larger ones. Then they have fire inspectors in cities actively preventing fires by enforcing the fire code. Discouraging unsafe practices that lead to fires by ticketing the perpetrators. You couldn't be more wrong on this one.
Considering the really dumb Christian apologists he had to deal with and the era he grew up in (GWB) it's really not that hard to understand how and why he was like that.
Why did we so quickly move on from the fact he wants/wanted the age of consent to be 12-13 and the fact that he's mad people call him a pedo for looking at a teenagers chest?
20:03 Dude claims he hid the gun because "the girls are scared", but immediately blames the girls when dude gets upset with him and throws them under the bus. What a douche.
@@TheGreatDevlin"They saw me do it! They're lying to you!" Genuinely blown away at how he actively tries to blame them for not telling him even though HE was the one who hid it. Somehow they're more "at fault" for seeing him do so than he is for actually doing it.
51:02 "We got more and more goddamn firefighters, and less and less goddamn fires. How does that make sense. Demand decreases, but supply increases?" I literally started crying from laughing so hard
@@AbrasiousProductions no he isn't 😂 just as much as people who support biblical slavery dont represent the values of Christians. Atheism isn't belligerently screaming how smart you are and how everyone else is dumb. Its just being unconvinced of a god. Relgious people do this too. Most rational Athiests hate atheists like this guy too.
Do you remember a skeptic UA-camr who used an animal head (antelope maybe?) overtop a human body as his avatar? I also recall him having a video of himself long boarding in his hometown.
Murder is immoral. Cannibalism and Murder are not the same word. eating a corpse does not necessarily require murder, they are implicitly linked not explicitly, as most cannibals do in fact murder others to eat them, but acts of cannibalism can exist without murder. Someone could in theory consent to have their body consumed after they die of natural causes. If you think cannibalism is wrong on the face of it, I disagree. But I'm sure you would say I'm some freak cannibal or something even though I don't have any desire to eat people lol.
@ no you aren’t a freak, you are just lacking a strong moral compass to guide your thoughts. If everyone engaged in cannibalism, despite it being thoroughly debauched, we would be hindering the potential of our own race. Scientifically speaking. My only point actually has nothing to do with cannibalism. It is merely the example of extreme moral decay exhibited by those who “practice” atheism. He lectured his audience on how atheism is morally superior to religion and then followed that statement up directly with a moral taboo, showcasing his lack of understanding about basic morality. Side point: it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be religious. You choose to believe there is no creator. That’s fine, but you better hope you aren’t wrong.
@ nobody mentioned murder. Obviously immoral. I’m not interested in arguing about cannibalism. That wasn’t the point of my statement. It is a little weird you want to “correct the record” about cannibalism.
@@Socherbal it's not weird to want to correct things that people are wrong about. thinking rationally about the world, and not just emotionally is a cornerstone of advancing society.
@ I told you I’m not interested in arguing cannibalism with you. You have an inherent misunderstanding of my point, and I don’t care enough to enlighten you, so you get this: 👍. You are a weirdo.
To be fair he never said he had a high IQ, he said he had an average (The Average IQ is 100, a Triple Digit Number) one and *EVERYONE ELSE* had a lower one.
Erm ex squeeze me but actually primordial ooze and the original sin are diametrically opposed. You're either an awful atheist or an amazing Christian *opens can of Canada dry in victory Nothing personal kid
@@AK-sx4zp It's not really trying to stop him, but more or less warning people about said shooter and asking anyone who knew him personally to report him.
When I was a literal child, I stumbled across his channel. My family is religious I went to Christian school. I used to watch TJ. It helped me question religion at the time. Now at 30, all I can do is cringe at clips and vids of him. My god, what happened to him. Love joon the king, haven’t finished the video yet, but Jesus Christ.
@@sorrenblitz805 The New Atheism/Skeptic Community transitioned pretty seamlessly into "FEMINISM DESTROYED" posters, then Gamergate happened. Basically everyone who wore a Fedora in 2009 put on a Redcap in 2016 and very few have taken it off since. Even Dawkins is doing conferences with far right Christian folks now, bonding over their shared hatred of trans people.
Is it wrong that I saw a Joon The King video and was disappointed that it's under an hour? This is one of the few channels that can get me to sit and watch hours of content about people I really don't like, it's actually impressive.
@asmrtpop2676 yeah. He's not a lol cow on he level of Wings, Chris Chan, etc. He's just some idiot neckbeard who's stuck in his corner and you only know he exists when he says something just a little too loud. He's also pretty good at owning his fuckups, like banana gate for example. Would've ended almost anyone else, it made him grow more if anything
@@adamlowe8822 😂😂you think the BLM movement is the establishment 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 yes a group that fights for human rights of minorities against the establishment IS the establishment🤣🤣🤣
Except TJ never fucking said this. Not once. Even Joon said that he couldn't validate the validity of the post. Which just makes me not want to watch anything from this channel. The guy opens with saying TJ advocates lowering the age of consent in this post. Also all the context of this thread is lost and the post could be fabricated.
@@sjeanmacleod I don't think hes said anything about it since hes "smart" enough to avoid it. He has talked about incest and defended a PDF though, so make of that what you will. Incest discussion vid: /watch?v=6aUdXVWHgB8&pp=ygUKZHNwIGluY2VzdA%3D%3D And heres him defending a PDF: /watch?v=EFYg1GvsciA&pp=ygUPZHNwIGRlZmVuZHMgcGRm
It’s odd to me that despite the heinous shit he’s said and done over 20 years of him intentionally saying and doing increasingly heinous shit, the revenge p0rn of him getting thrown onto the internet is THE dingleberry that’s refused to be brushed off his image by the end of it all. So many important grievances and criticisms doomed to be forever eclipsed by one instance of private intimacy being made public against his will.
Revenge porn and peoples intimate stuff shouldn't be what tarnishes peoples image. But being a guy and it being not straight. The internet just held it against him.
I think a lot of us who left our faiths in our younger years, developed an outsized view of the intellectual prowess of the "spaghetti monster" atheist zeitgeist back then. Then we started to understand that a lack of belief in God doesn't make a person an intellectual giant with sound reason and logic, and it certainly doesn't mean they are moral and principled people.
The thing with COD personalities is that they're their own monkey's barrell. Like almost everyone that plays COD is likely to be a crazy person with skeletons in their closet.
I was subscribed to him for years but stopped watching because I lost interest in his content for a while before coming back. He hadn’t gone off the deep end just yet and his older videos were still up and I wasn’t too bothered by his conversion, that was until he deleted everything and started schizoposting star constellations. Unsubscribed and haven’t gone back since.
The biggest problem with tj was his laziness. During the drunken peasants and early dff days, his content outside of that was sheer pointless upload after pointless upload every other week for years.
@@franciscor390Some people just aren't made for substances. It needs to be respected and treated like what it is, a drug, not some funny little plant that has no potential negative effects.
DP and The Amazing Atheist started falling off once they moved to Washington. Endless access to legal weed made their content into the most inane garbage ever.
So many hot takes from this guy that are wild. Plus we got to play "Will this idiot with the gun shoot himself or someone else on livestream?" Honestly some of the things he said make the banana thing seem rather benign.
Everyone is drunk as a skunk, dude is waving the gun around, someone finally smartly takes and hides it. Then the asshole proceeds to threaten to beat up his girlfriend if he doesn't get his gun back and not only do the two other men egg him on and join in threatening the two women, they give him his gun back! It's crazy how they really think they're morally superior to Christians (and I'm an atheist).
I would say shock value, but that would give him too much credit. He's just a mentally derelict degenerate who hides behind actual intellectuals within the atheist community.
Thanks for this, I like how you include a lot more of his own commentary on the events than some other videos of this type. Everybody will include his response to the banana video, but I don't think I'd heard his response to the failed streaming platform before.
Man I think I first encountered this guy back in the Nostalgia Critic days. I remember him being like, very weird even then, and I think the first time he really broke through was when he did a video where he burned a koran, bible, and some atheist book to prove some point about how they're just books, and even then I was like 'man this guy is dense as hell to not understand the basic concepts of symbolism.' Now I know so much more about his eternal weirdness.
"im like most guys aside from the insanity and the actual IQ in the triple digits" my brother in not-christ, 100 IQ IS TRIPLE DIGITS, WHICH IS EXACTLY AVERAGE
I wanna believe the skeptic community formed to avoid becoming like TJ Kirk. There's like an anti-aura to his content. Like what NOT to do as an atheist.
And its boring, bland, and polite. And wow look at that the christain scene is bigger then ever, but we dont want to be mean ooo might hurt someones feelings.
@CraftyArts I think the skeptics were technically the edgy ones, at least politically. Because, iirc, they separated from Atheism+, which fits your description more with the difference that they were glazing Islam instead of Christianity.
@@CraftyArts Seconded. I’m waiting for a new wave of anti-theist or at least anti-theocratic state atheists to rise in light of Trump and his administration’s inevitable plans to Christianize the country.
“Sky daddy” “tips fedora” “wife’s boyfriend” “trust the science” “doge” “reddit” “updoots” “the character is actually 10,000 years old” “man of culture” erm actually” “it’s actually called ‘hebophelia’” ahh guy
As a former fan of TJ Kirk who unsubbed years ago, I was expecting some cathartic and nostalgic feelings for an era that was, but now I see that just like almost all Lolcows, we grew up and moved on; we found friends, hobbies, a partner, some started families, but the Lolcows NEVER grew up and got stuck in the past, trying to relive old memories
I'm not atheist but I feel bad for atheists having this guy running around. This kind of person makes a mostly normal, mostly fine group wince and go, "we don't claim him."
He's an atheist. I'm an atheist. What is your point? You understand atheism is not a group or dogma right? You're not one of these 🤡s who thinks atheism is a religion too do you?
Atheists aren't really a group though, the only thing any of us really share in common is we don't believe God exists. That was always a problem with the UA-cam side of atheism it was trying to build a community that wasn't really meant to be a community.
I remember watching his early vids where he raged against the evangelicalism of the Bush administration. As a young edgylady, I thought he was pretty righteous but then I just stopped watching around GamerGate because that entire thing was obnoxious. Never kept up with him since. I don't feel like I've missed anything, but somehow, I've also missed so much.
GamerGate really was that moment where so many of us viewers kind of woke up to how bs a lot of the stuff was that he and other creators said, usually because it was so surface level. The whole SJW flame war was an arc that many youtube atheists did not survive well
@@sarmin8008 It made you brain-dead and people that are weird with kids trying to turn them trans cause you're freaks. Not to mention your ideology caused the Fent crisis. You have no reason to be boastful you and these likes are pathetic and scum.
Honestly as someone who got into his content this year it is pretty amazing just how far this guy has progressed as a content creator and generally a person, excited to see him continue to develop into a bigger internet personality.
Oh man, the best part of this was reliving my early days of UA-cam. I was there for the atheist vs Christian fued on UA-cam, never got too involved in the fight (and hindsight I'm really glad I didn't because it was so crazy), but man was it an experience seeing it unfold in real time. So great seeing the crunchy low quality webcam videos, those were crazy times.
"I've spent the last.. four-and-a-half hours, arguing with feminists on Reddit" The lack of self awareness required to say this without realizing _at any point_ you're humiliating yourself for all of UA-cam to see is like, a genuine accomplishment.
As a Feminist and someone who works in mental health, I want to offer my two cents- I really feel for TJ in some ways. I see a man who feels disenfranchised and abandoned by the world. He's clearly an angry fellow, but a lot of that anger seems to come from deep-rooted and unresolved trauma. It's clear that he doesn't want to acknowledge that trauma, though. He sees it as engaging in the "victim mentality" and he wants to believe he is intellectually superior to that mentality. So he'd likely reject any attempts by the people around him to try and help him process that trauma. The stuff he said to that Reddit Poster was, indeed, terrible, but personally I am conscious of how truly awful you must feel within yourself to be mentally ready to hurt someone so deeply. I don't believe TJ is a socio-psycho path, he is capable of empathy. So to be willing to say these things indicates to me that the mental pain he was feeling in that moment outweighed his capacity of empathy significantly. It doesn't excuse or justify his behaviour, of course. But if I could talk to TJ, I'd tell him this: even though you did something awful, you still don't deserve to suffer as badly as you're suffering. And for the record, as a Feminist, I disagree strongly with Sharon Osborne's statements. Physical harm to that degree is never funny. I think that many women laugh at the concept of men being physically harmed because they or someone they love has not been directly affected by such an incident, and therefore there's a separation of reality for them. Whereas, every single woman knows at least one woman who has been physically harmed by a man in some capacity. Again, this is NOT a justification or excuse for those woman laughing at that poor man, merely an explanation. Ironically, the Feminist movement DOES talk about male survivors of SA or DV quite a lot, while people who don't take an interest in Feminism tend to be ignorant of such topics. I wish TJ had realised sooner that Feminism is not the enemy. I understand that dogmatic thinking is the main point he takes contention with. But his angry, defensive approach to the topic helped to foster that dogmatic thinking in his OWN community. Now we have Red Pill, Alpha/Sigma males, MGTOW, and MAGA communities with similar dogmatic views. TJ didn't invent these things, but he definitely created an avenue by which his fans could arrive at these things. It's sad because I do believe that was the opposite of his intent. But it's true. We need Feminism more than ever now.
Also a feminist, glad to see this comment. Sharon’s comments were disgusting, but for TJ to say the inverse would never happen to women when wife beating jokes are literally the humor of an entire generation is disingenuous and reflects a lack of understanding of our experiences as women. Even today, young boys are saying your body our choice 😓 I wish more men online would look into intersectional feminism, it is about EVERYONE being equal, and like you said, that includes men. Men are suffering under the current system too. Anyone who claims to be a feminist or activist who doesn’t care about violence and abuse towards all genders isn’t really a feminist, theyre an asshole
If you watch TJ's content, it becomes immediately obvious that he is a progressive lefty and a gender abolisnist. A lot of his content is in advocating of women and civil rights. If feminism truly means advocating for equality, then TJ is a feminist.
I disagree about your feminism point. I actually agree with you but feminism isn’t the solution. I think equality between the sexes is optimal for society but feminism is explicitly for female rights. Mgtow/redpoll ect and feminism shouldn’t be uplifted but instead there should be a third position that is just for equality between the sexes. Leftists and feminists in particular infight too much and it’s too common to see many individuals from this side supporting bad policies and movements like affirmative action and me too which made tried normal interactions between men and women seem like rape or sexual assault.
To anyone cynical about the world and internet of today, I hope y'all take comfort in the fact that the internet actually and truly was a weirder and more fucked up place even just a few years ago. There will probably never be a more famous neckbeard as he was anymore, and we can all rejoice in that fact lol. Humanity IS evolving, slowly but surely!
Ironically, my cynicism of today stems from how positive thinking and the culture surrounding it has only speed ran tall poppy syndrome and devalued art. I'm okay with depravity, I'm just tired of conformity masquerading as compassion.
when did making intimate material of oneself become normalised? anyone who does that weird stuff should expect it to be leaked at some point, no sympathy
@@lb5818lol Fr tho cus there’s ways to minimize these sorts of situations and just not participating in them is the best way. Not sure why that offended that one guy here tho.
8 minutes in and I've already learned more about this man than any video I've seen of him before. This dude only knows how to communicate through arguing and it's honestly shed some perspective on him.
It's annoying that the banana incident is the one thing that keeps getting brought up to dismiss TJ when it's actually one of the few things he does have the moral high ground on.
@@justadude3789 most people didn't watch the Drunken Peasants then I guess, cause he flat out explains it was leaked by a private party in a conversation with Brett "The Manatee" Keane.
Every time the algorithm curses me with a random TAA video based on what I liked 15 years ago, I click that video and I leave a comment saying “Wow that beard is luscious! Glad to see TJ kept up with his potassium intake throughout the years!” He has to have seen at least one of them.
I was there from the beginning. It can't be understated how god damn hilarious that Drunken Peasants episode was when they had Milo on and he tried to justify his own child molestation. Single-handedly destroyed the guy's career.
I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the DP/DFF guys, they kept me entertained during many hours of work back in the day. This had bunch of this stuff I'd never heard before. While I don't really follow his content anymore, it's interesting to see his origin story 🤣 Good video!
I had not even heard about the banana. But what did it destroy, really? Was there a legacy or that much of a stellar reputation? I did watch some of his stuff back in the ancient past, and while he would regularly have something reasonably sane to say about atheism it was still a loudmouth reactionary ranting rather than intellectual or particularly well argued. I think the banana incident fits my mental image of this character, and even 4chan was like "dude owned it, brass balls on this one".
TJ is the very definition of "product of his times" lol. I gotta admit though the only thing I can ever think of when I see him these days is that I'm just jealous of his beard.
TJ is the kind of UA-camr I just actively avoid, a guy who just seems to spend all day every day screaming, shouting, ranting, bitching, moaning, complaining, and railing against everything he hates. He argues for the sake of arguing because he likes the sound of his own voice, despite the fact he has nothing of value to say. He's the type of guy who's only joys in life are ruining other people's days with his obnoxious pseudo-intellectual attitude, and the best way to deal with him is just to block him and move on.
really, he was the prototype for the modern youtube/twitch provocateur. ahead of his time in terms of arguing with people constantly & saying anything for a reaction.
"I've spent 4 and a half hours arguing with feminists on Reddit" is a time capsule statement
Don't forget the Big Red cameo at 37:23.
Really? Seems like it happens more today than ever. It has gotten way more radical.
@@Elintasokas the kind of people who were in the “skeptic” community have kind of shifted their focus away from feminists and more towards queer activists
@@Thenumberstationangelgrifting pays well
@@leviticusprime4904 It's grifting when you disagree with the left
Him threatening Onision by saying “You know what I do to bananas…” went pretty hard not gunna lie 😅😅
It is really quite telling how many internet jerks had their finest hour dunking on the Onion.
@@GriffinPilgrimI am glad I never looked into onion boy till a year or two ago, he has such a weird history with people. I must be one of the lucky ones.
@@Real-Ruby-Red Back when I was hovering around the edge of the scene TJ was part of and one of the few things that lot agreed on was that Onision sucked so I was kinda vaguely aware of him. It was only much later I realised how bad it was.
@@GriffinPilgrim yeah, ive grown up with youtube and watching from the early days like early rwj =3 videos and i never looked into him, glad I didn’t because a lot of his fans were probably mentally damaged from that loser and ive probably only seen the surface lol
@@GriffinPilgrim Damn, don't disgrace the most reputable News organization of all time by calling Onision "the Onion".
Its amazing how every time we see him, he looks radically different.
He hates himself.
@@hansjuker8296explains alot
Weirdo dude, that’s why.
@hansjuker8296 It's literally the opposite, actually
@@hansjuker8296 relatable
After all this, I'm still convinced it isn't as bad as it could be, because Keemstar was not mentioned once in this entire story
That in itself is a miracle.
TJ is immune to Keemstar. Keemstar is only effective on people who give a fuck about a dumbass starting drama.
@@Deminese2 lol that is amazingly true
@@Deminese2 Onision did get to him though.
@@Deminese2the ultimate troll lol
The best thing about The Amazing Atheist is that, having no idea who he is, he looks and acts exactly like you would expect him to by name alone.
I’ve never seen anyone fit a stereotype soooooo perfectly
Dude has been around for ages. He's one of the reasons the stereotype exists in the first place.
@@ellesper yeah he invented the stereotype. Although the fedora thing he didn't invent. He eventually bought a trilby just because everyone kept saying he wore a fedora.
He's literally the progenitor of the "outspoken online atheist libertarian". It's like saying you're not surprised to see Karl Marx looks like a 19th century communist.
Bro, you have my little pony videos on your page I wouldn’t be insulting anybody. Fucking weirdo.
Bro that charity stream with the dude messing with a loaded firearm while drunk gave me so much fucking anxiety. I can’t fucking stand people like that. If I’m intoxicated I don’t even fucking look at my guns. So stupid.
As someone unfamiliar with that stream until now, I was half expecting Joon to say the dude shot himself by accident
@@__.Daniel.__ i was expecting that too or for someone else to get shot, I can't believe how dangerous they were.
Some people have no sense of survival. I know when I’ve been drunk to not drive my car etc because it’s dangerous. If I had a gun I’d leave it in a drawer or keep it in a room.
Even if I knew presumably nothing bad happened I was worried someone was about to have their account closed by that idiot
Fake Sagan was always an unstable maniac, letting him get sh*tfaced while carrying his gun was completely irresponsible from everyone involved. Things actually got worse after BlogTV shut their livestream down. According to TJ, Case (FS’s actual name) freaked out over getting shut down, started arguing with TJ over a small remark he made, leading Case to point his gun at TJ and breaking down when they were able to wrestle it away from Case.
legitimately really sad to hear him talk about being molested and quickly start insisting that he’s not a victim and it didn’t damage him. denial is a strong force
Claiming you're not a victim is actually a common but seldom talked about defense mechanism. I am a victim myself and spent many years trying to convince myself and others that I "wanted it too" and by extension that I "consented." It wasn't until I was watching a video where (I think it was Angelica Huston) was defending someone who committed SA on a child and it was explained it's common that SA survivors will do that as a way of protecting themselves mentally from their own trauma. That's when it clicked for me and I started to realize and try to accept what happened to me. While I never argued for lowering the age of consent, I always believed I was able to consent at the age of 10 and 11.
Long story short for everyone out there. If someone says something outrageous like "lower the age of consent" or that "kids can consent," they might not be PDFiles themselves, but a victim of one and is trying to mentally shield themselves from their trauma.
@ i totally agree, i am a victim of childhood sa and i still have trouble accepting it. like you said it’s unfortunately really common, and i hope he finds a way to work through it.
That's such a regarded take.
He CHOSE to be a degenerate male stereotype with disgusting paraphilias and horrible social beliefs though. What did you expect?
I think there's a difference between the victim mentality and being a victim. People with the victim mentality deny themselves agency and often use their victim status to dodge accountability. Acknowledging that something bad happened to you and that it's not your fault is healthy and good, defining yourself by your victimhood is not.
I'm not familiar with TJ's sa story, so i can't speak for him, but I wanted to point that out.
Always a good sign when the JTK vid starts with an archived post of the subject wanting to lower the age of consent
The way it escalated so quickly had me cracking up. Goes from “pedantic and weird” to “holy shit lock him away” in like 10 seconds
These "people" need to be investigated very thoroughly... They know what they're doing, and it needs to be stopped.
LMAO thanks for making me legit laugh out loud
Now lets do Count Dankulas old friend/ former political partner Sargon of Akkad. Dude argued himself into defending the Roman tradition on call out of the principle of being contrarian.
@@anglosaxiphone8246 can you give me the tldr of it? i havent heard of this creature sargon before
"We are the black panthers of the atheist movement"?!?
That was truly an insane comment 🤣
@@nighttimevideo insane is right. Militant atheists is an actual south park joke. This fugggin guy
2008 is a hell of a drug
@@vintageincolor you could even say it was... bananas
3:26 I can't believe he bragged about his IQ being in the triple digits when 100 is literally average that's hilarious
Ppl who are obsessed with IQs are the dumbest clowns around.
that's a joke
that was the joke… his whole schtick early in his career was touting himself as an exceptionally profound skeptic of his time who in reality was just a schlubby fat kid ranting in his garage.
Actually for an American that's fair to brag about
I'm around 140 btw
“I also think that the age of consent should be lowered to 12 or 13.” Reddit moderator moment.
That's discord moderators you'd get crucified and bullied off reddit for saying that shit.
@@zetokaiba5867What discords are you people part of? everybody always talks about how creepy discord moderators are and it just makes me think all of you hang out in some really gross circles.
@@dizzylilthing It's simple in any big discord if you're a female with a cartoon profile eventually a guy is gonna dm you it happens all the time, but not as often as it used too since MOST discord mods ban you if you reveal you're under 18 except those few who say they'll keep it a secret if you're their "friend".
I've seen it first hand I changed my profile to MLP from a bet off a duel links b03 with one of my friends and a guy messaged me out the blue from a pokemon TCG server I barely used.
Don't get me wrong though Reddit still has sickos like 50% of comments on R/Teens are deadass grown ass men it's just Discord is easier to separate a kid to groom.
lol i knew nothing about this dude but right away i was like "oof, rough start" 😂
The first few sentences I thought, I can kind of see where he is coming from. And then he writes that. Immediately just made me go, all your previous statements were lies you still are a pedophile and a willing one.
>libertarian
>immediately wants age of consent lowered to 12-13
every single time
IT NEVER FAILS
Literally not every single time Lmfao. you’ve just seen predators posing as libertarians. just like the pastors who pose as Christians to harm children. a true libertarian follows the NAP and wouldn’t ever harm a child or want to lower the age of consent.
tale as old as time
@@sggage7823Roach Dogg Jr. you timeless treasure.
Seeing them argue about it is like comfort food, but if comfort food was inherently disgusting and vile.
It's funny how he was once considered some kind of UA-cam intellectual when all he did was dunk on the dumbest christians.
That was 90% of the atheist community back in the day. That was way more profitable and attention grabbing than reasoned discussion of ideas. Hell it's still what makes internet careers today.
.. lol this is the current day majority.. 🤷🏻♂️
That sort of thing still exists today but it was definitely much more innocent back then when everyone barely had ideas lol
Memes aside, TJ is intelligent because he’s willing to admit when he’s wrong and has changed his stance on things over the years. Still smarter than the majority of conservatives on UA-cam these days
which is insane considering the average Christian is a better and smarter person than the most "intelligent" atheist
Big rant here, but I think TJ has always been a very reactionary UA-camr, and watching his old videos really paints a vivid picture of the American political climate at the time.
Right after 9/11, the US had a MASSIVE religious boom. Creationists/televangelists were rising, religious debates like “prayer in school” and same-sex marriage were huge, we had a president with a personal phone line to God… it was a time of religious prosperity only matched with our ravenous patriotism.
But there were no WMD’s in Iraq, the economy was in self-destruct mode, and a rising population of disillusioned teens now have the internet to vent their frustrations. Perfect time for someone like TJ to set them off.
TJ might have some well-thought out arguments here and there, but really, his videos were always done to “dunk” on the aforementioned religious fruitcakes rather than any meaningful conversation. And he wasn’t alone in doing this- for every religious weirdo going “viral” for the time there were a dozen or so atheist channels responding to it. Just like reactionaries today, it was a culture of responding to cherry-picked “grievances” rather than ideology.
This also helps to explain the transition to anti-sjw content with the rise of gamergate at the time. Rather than religion, the anger was targeted towards buzzfeed ragebait videos or “SJW OWNED” debates. Same reactionary rhetoric, and (somewhat) the same audience.
This is coming from someone who still is an atheist, but see a lot of the “atheist” community of this time as being more destructive than progressive.
Nah TJ's said a few times he started making videos because of Brett Keane's videos being an inspiration.
@@sorrenblitz805
Both statements can be true. He actually said he knew he could make better atheist content than Brett Keane, and he was right.
You're a loser that is weird with kids trying to make them trans not a smart person.
@@sorrenblitz805brain dead reading level comprehension 🤣
A lot of the atheist online community is still incredibly immature and patronizing.
The topics you covered were thorough, but damn, this really left out a lot
- All of DP history
- All conflict with Brett Keane
- Cody Weber and how he contributed to the channel
- All DFF history
I can't help but feel this video could be 3 hours long.
I agree, I watched the video by *Interesting Stuff From Around The World* about Amazing Atheist recently and it seems there's potentially a lot of contextual information that has been left out by JTK
I hope Joon isn't prioritising frequency over quality. There's been a lot more posts recently but this one really feels 'light'.
As a fan of TJ turned primary fan of Drunken Peasants to now distancing from both medias and able to look back on things in hindsight, fully agree this was just a single snapshot of things and didn't quite serve in diving into TJ and crew history as Joon's other works :/ was so hyped to see him go over the circus that was TJ vs Brett Keane
@@baylabe if it weren't for the fact that Brett Keane is basically irrelevant to anyone but DP fans and people who actually watched him forever ago I'd think Joon should do one on him. I'd love it, but I don't think it would be a good move for his channel to cover such an obscure person
I think that it’s because TJ is such a Unique case. At one point he can have some pretty serious takes, but then does something so goofy, so far off, it kinda nullifies his serious demeanor. Like a walking contradiction.
I remember when I was that guy's audience, he will forever remind me of how far I have come since
Same
CORN BOY
@@Stbeter At peace now, marvelling at corn like God intended
Same
same still an atheist tho that hasn't changed
As a teenager I loved his videos in the pre-"anti-sjw" era. But in early adulthood I quickly outgrew him and many others in these communities, and it makes me kinda sad to look back and see how emotionally stunted many of them are.
Ironically he became an SJW eventually which the only worse fate is being Turkish
I too watched him before he went nuts about the "anti sjw" stuff and i cringe that i watched him even before then. I cant imagine watching him during the times after he started down that road. I would have probably turned out to be a very different person.
@@carlwinslo It was after his anti sjw phase where he went mad he was still fairly sane while he was anti sjw as well look how much damage the sjw ideology and adherents have done to entertainment and society
@@michaelkeha he was the first to call them out when they started getting mad at gay people existing in movies. Always one step ahead
@@CraftyArts except pretty much none of those examples held water and it was the start of him becoming a lunatic in his own right while there are some outliers for the majority the antiwoke sjw movement wants good media again they don't care if a character is gay what they care about is if the only characteristic of that character is that they are gay
It stuns me how TJ can't comprehend how an increase in firefighters may be related to the reduction of fires
Fire fighters don't prevent fires, they deal with active fires. Obviously that's not a strict rule but that's like saying more EMTs will decrease the number of heart attacks
@@Northernheros no firefighters are apart of fire prevention and education. That's also apart of the job, to prevent fires. Some firemen if called will actually change your smoke detector. They won't like it but they will. So a bit pedantic I know, but its the truth.
@@Northernherosthey do a lot of preventive stuff to preempt forest fires. Clearing brush and actively setting smaller controlled fires to prevent larger ones. Then they have fire inspectors in cities actively preventing fires by enforcing the fire code. Discouraging unsafe practices that lead to fires by ticketing the perpetrators. You couldn't be more wrong on this one.
@@Northernheros you know that part of firefights job is to enforce fire codes rights.. their job is literally to reduce the amount of fires…
@@Northernherosgoogle what a fire fighter actually does.
The biggest problem to me was the self-righteousness and smug arrogance he and his dorks just radiated.
Considering the really dumb Christian apologists he had to deal with and the era he grew up in (GWB) it's really not that hard to understand how and why he was like that.
@@MrManBuzzthat doesn’t make it any less grating
@@MrManBuzz yeah that's the irony of it. He acted like the people he hated
@@MrManBuzz Dude atheists were ALWAYS extremely dumb, self-righteous and arrogant. You just didn't move on from the 2009 era of Dawkins and others.
@@MrManBuzzthe dumbest Christian is more correct on philosophy than the smartest atheist.
Why did we so quickly move on from the fact he wants/wanted the age of consent to be 12-13 and the fact that he's mad people call him a pedo for looking at a teenagers chest?
Bc it’s most likely not him who wrote it ig
it was almost 20 years ago bud. he was an edgy ASF young adult
Maybe because there’s no evidence or any accounts suggesting he’s a p*do and he was very obviously a weirdo kid saying edgy shit to get attention?
@@MrSuperalan99and yet he supported Keffals who btw flirted with a 16 year old when she was over the age of 20
@@MrSuperalan99and made a video saying how much he loves riots and still has the Audacity to think he’s a moral paragon
20:03 Dude claims he hid the gun because "the girls are scared", but immediately blames the girls when dude gets upset with him and throws them under the bus. What a douche.
ive never had an ick moment before but that made me understand. gag worthy, gross ass behavior. so cowardly.
I immediate came to comment this. Incredible.
@@TheGreatDevlin"They saw me do it! They're lying to you!" Genuinely blown away at how he actively tries to blame them for not telling him even though HE was the one who hid it. Somehow they're more "at fault" for seeing him do so than he is for actually doing it.
Quite a character.
What a little bitch... He threw those girls under the bus.
RIP people doing the No Nostalgia November challenge. Get Doug'd suckers
Nonstop n-----
I saw your pfp and lost the challenge :/
@CelestialHunter- f
It’s like anyone who was a member of ThatGuywiththGlasses or friends with Doug walker is secretly toxic to hang out with.
The what? Zoomers come up with the dumbest sht, I swear.....
I remember thinking this guy was so cool, and he was my favourite UA-camr back in the day...
Thank god I'm no longer 14
TJ is still based. You can be cringe and right at the same time
@@ubergoober25🤳🚔
@@ubergoober25based? Based on what?
@@ubergoober25 based 😂😂😂
You need a dictionary 🤣
@@ubergoober25 You approve of him wanting to lower age of consent to 13? Somebody get this guy's hard drive checked.
51:02 "We got more and more goddamn firefighters, and less and less goddamn fires. How does that make sense. Demand decreases, but supply increases?"
I literally started crying from laughing so hard
Really, is it so hard to put two and two together? I mean, damn...
The other guys on DFF roasted him for that video recently.
Its like firefighters have to do more than just fight fires.....wild concept
Ikr. TJ always being contrarian
it's hilariously capitalist-brained
"Like a yellow boomerang, it always comes back to insert itself in the conversation." Absolute poetry.
Especially that brief pause after the 'in'.
TJ is the definition of a reddit atheist.
He’s literally the most Reddit atheist I’ve ever seen
he's the definition of atheism itself.
@@AbrasiousProductions no he isn't 😂 just as much as people who support biblical slavery dont represent the values of Christians. Atheism isn't belligerently screaming how smart you are and how everyone else is dumb. Its just being unconvinced of a god. Relgious people do this too. Most rational Athiests hate atheists like this guy too.
The POSTER BOY.
@AbrasiousProductions thing is he isn't, hes not even an aethiest, hes an antithieist
Chances of doing Armoured Skeptic next? Since now you're stepping into the weird realm of skeptic personalities.
Do you remember a skeptic UA-camr who used an animal head (antelope maybe?) overtop a human body as his avatar? I also recall him having a video of himself long boarding in his hometown.
@@thelowend7699Atheism Rules I think
@@thelowend7699 Teal Deer or TLDR had something like that going on if I remember right
Mykeru?
@@thelowend7699 atheism is unstoppable? I think that's him
“Atheism is the morally superior choice. Good, now that THAT is out of the way, I’m going to defend cannibalism.”
Murder is immoral.
Cannibalism and Murder are not the same word.
eating a corpse does not necessarily require murder, they are implicitly linked not explicitly, as most cannibals do in fact murder others to eat them, but acts of cannibalism can exist without murder.
Someone could in theory consent to have their body consumed after they die of natural causes.
If you think cannibalism is wrong on the face of it, I disagree. But I'm sure you would say I'm some freak cannibal or something even though I don't have any desire to eat people lol.
@ no you aren’t a freak, you are just lacking a strong moral compass to guide your thoughts.
If everyone engaged in cannibalism, despite it being thoroughly debauched, we would be hindering the potential of our own race. Scientifically speaking.
My only point actually has nothing to do with cannibalism. It is merely the example of extreme moral decay exhibited by those who “practice” atheism. He lectured his audience on how atheism is morally superior to religion and then followed that statement up directly with a moral taboo, showcasing his lack of understanding about basic morality.
Side point: it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be religious. You choose to believe there is no creator. That’s fine, but you better hope you aren’t wrong.
@ nobody mentioned murder. Obviously immoral.
I’m not interested in arguing about cannibalism. That wasn’t the point of my statement.
It is a little weird you want to “correct the record” about cannibalism.
@@Socherbal it's not weird to want to correct things that people are wrong about.
thinking rationally about the world, and not just emotionally is a cornerstone of advancing society.
@ I told you I’m not interested in arguing cannibalism with you. You have an inherent misunderstanding of my point, and I don’t care enough to enlighten you, so you get this: 👍.
You are a weirdo.
Imagine arguing with strangers online until 4 in the morning while claiming you allegedly have a high IQ.
Honestly it's self obsessions and autism that made him feel the need to be right
Best way to look at life honestly
To be fair he never said he had a high IQ, he said he had an average (The Average IQ is 100, a Triple Digit Number) one and *EVERYONE ELSE* had a lower one.
TJ is the primordial ooze of discord mods. His banana, the original sin.
Erm ex squeeze me but actually primordial ooze and the original sin are diametrically opposed. You're either an awful atheist or an amazing Christian
*opens can of Canada dry in victory
Nothing personal kid
@@mosquitopyjamas9048 Wow, I could be convinced the Amazing Atheist wrote this!
@@chaosinc.382 *tips fedora and wipes monocle
Shh, they'll never believe you
*winks and disappears into the night leaving a banana skin behind
"Hey Jamie, pull up the Banana Video"
Oh yea! because Joe Rogan yes I love that guy too
I will ALWAYS remember T.J. Kirk from that time he was calling out a future mass shooter out on UA-cam.
Late 2000s UA-cam was wild as hell, I swear.
What's craziest is that not only was he right, but he tried to stop the shooter last minute if I recall correctly
context haha? Who was the shooter
@@AK-sx4zp It's not really trying to stop him, but more or less warning people about said shooter and asking anyone who knew him personally to report him.
@@123afish
Pekka-Eric Auvinen, or as he used to go by back in 2007, NaturalSelector89.
@@SwaggyG_2102Where can one find this video?
The funniest thing is that TJ only started making videos because of Brett Keane, one of the original prototype lol cows.
When I was a literal child, I stumbled across his channel. My family is religious I went to Christian school. I used to watch TJ. It helped me question religion at the time. Now at 30, all I can do is cringe at clips and vids of him. My god, what happened to him. Love joon the king, haven’t finished the video yet, but Jesus Christ.
The Atheism/Theism debate died out on UA-cam. Like 2007-2009 that stuff was huge but it dropped off hard.
what happened? he got better with time
@@CraftyArts More like dumber.
@@CraftyArts nope he has more sympathy for cartel members that murdered people in cold blood than does for victims
@@sorrenblitz805 The New Atheism/Skeptic Community transitioned pretty seamlessly into "FEMINISM DESTROYED" posters, then Gamergate happened. Basically everyone who wore a Fedora in 2009 put on a Redcap in 2016 and very few have taken it off since. Even Dawkins is doing conferences with far right Christian folks now, bonding over their shared hatred of trans people.
"Once when I was seven years old I sat on a banana, and of course, that changed my life..."
-Hugh Neutron
Joon continues to be THE King. Thanks for the great content. Much love from Texas.
Greetings fellow Texan
I think he's the KING.
No notifications on, newsfeed just knows what's up
Tjk just seems unhinged nowadays. And looking back he always kind of was
He always was.
He just kinda seems bananas
Is it wrong that I saw a Joon The King video and was disappointed that it's under an hour? This is one of the few channels that can get me to sit and watch hours of content about people I really don't like, it's actually impressive.
That just shows how weak sauce AA was tbh
@asmrtpop2676 yeah. He's not a lol cow on he level of Wings, Chris Chan, etc. He's just some idiot neckbeard who's stuck in his corner and you only know he exists when he says something just a little too loud. He's also pretty good at owning his fuckups, like banana gate for example. Would've ended almost anyone else, it made him grow more if anything
TJ is when you make being rebellious against your parents your whole personality.
Rebellious to the system…. I don’t think he would really disagree lol
@@Bundysvideoshe’s literally a blm supporter and is against kiwifarms, so no he’s not anti establishment
@@Bundysvideosalso the people that hate kiwifarms the most are always the most evil and disgusting people
@@adamlowe8822 😂😂you think the BLM movement is the establishment 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 yes a group that fights for human rights of minorities against the establishment IS the establishment🤣🤣🤣
@@adamlowe8822 are you for real??? Kiwifarms seems evil as fuck 😳
WingsofRedemption also said the age of consent should be 12.
TJ and Jordie Jordan would be great friends!
I'd like to know what DSP has to say about the age of consent... honestly.
Except TJ never fucking said this. Not once. Even Joon said that he couldn't validate the validity of the post. Which just makes me not want to watch anything from this channel.
The guy opens with saying TJ advocates lowering the age of consent in this post. Also all the context of this thread is lost and the post could be fabricated.
@@sjeanmacleod I don't think hes said anything about it since hes "smart" enough to avoid it. He has talked about incest and defended a PDF though, so make of that what you will.
Incest discussion vid: /watch?v=6aUdXVWHgB8&pp=ygUKZHNwIGluY2VzdA%3D%3D
And heres him defending a PDF: /watch?v=EFYg1GvsciA&pp=ygUPZHNwIGRlZmVuZHMgcGRm
@@lonercsShut up loser
Real tawk
My favourite part was when "Fake Sagan" took out his fake gag teeth and he looked the same.
Oh man, i was like "wow" and then "but why?".
I think that was a retainer. He took it out so he wouldn't talk with a lisp during his speech.
"I spent the past 4 hrs debating feminists on Reddit."
I cringed so hard I started laughing uncontrollably. He's a Reddit Janny. He does it for free.
They always do it fer free
It’s odd to me that despite the heinous shit he’s said and done over 20 years of him intentionally saying and doing increasingly heinous shit, the revenge p0rn of him getting thrown onto the internet is THE dingleberry that’s refused to be brushed off his image by the end of it all.
So many important grievances and criticisms doomed to be forever eclipsed by one instance of private intimacy being made public against his will.
BANANA.
Revenge porn and peoples intimate stuff shouldn't be what tarnishes peoples image. But being a guy and it being not straight. The internet just held it against him.
I think a lot of us who left our faiths in our younger years, developed an outsized view of the intellectual prowess of the "spaghetti monster" atheist zeitgeist back then. Then we started to understand that a lack of belief in God doesn't make a person an intellectual giant with sound reason and logic, and it certainly doesn't mean they are moral and principled people.
You really need to do Ghost619, the guy went from a well loved COD UA-camr to some religious extremist trying to predict the Rapture.
Wow no shit, I haven't watched him in a long time. What a shame.
Haven’t heard this name in years, what the fuck happened 😭
Shame his voice is so perfect for broadcasting
The thing with COD personalities is that they're their own monkey's barrell. Like almost everyone that plays COD is likely to be a crazy person with skeletons in their closet.
I was subscribed to him for years but stopped watching because I lost interest in his content for a while before coming back. He hadn’t gone off the deep end just yet and his older videos were still up and I wasn’t too bothered by his conversion, that was until he deleted everything and started schizoposting star constellations. Unsubscribed and haven’t gone back since.
This video is going to be Bananas
🍌🍌
You could say that shit is bananas
The biggest problem with tj was his laziness. During the drunken peasants and early dff days, his content outside of that was sheer pointless upload after pointless upload every other week for years.
Weed was the worst thing for him it completely messed him up.
You mean pan
The first sloptuber
@@franciscor390Some people just aren't made for substances. It needs to be respected and treated like what it is, a drug, not some funny little plant that has no potential negative effects.
DP and The Amazing Atheist started falling off once they moved to Washington. Endless access to legal weed made their content into the most inane garbage ever.
So many hot takes from this guy that are wild. Plus we got to play "Will this idiot with the gun shoot himself or someone else on livestream?" Honestly some of the things he said make the banana thing seem rather benign.
Only here to say
“Beigna”
That pun sounded better in my head but still
Your way with words is incredible, the various ways you circle around saying YT's "bad words" is hilarious lmao
The yellow boomerang metaphor was beautiful
I really thought someone was gonna get shot during that stream with Fake Sagan. Every nerve I had was just screaming.
Everyone is drunk as a skunk, dude is waving the gun around, someone finally smartly takes and hides it. Then the asshole proceeds to threaten to beat up his girlfriend if he doesn't get his gun back and not only do the two other men egg him on and join in threatening the two women, they give him his gun back! It's crazy how they really think they're morally superior to Christians (and I'm an atheist).
Spoiler little bro
Fr that dudes an unhinged drunkard
In retrospect it feels like the embryonic version of IRL Streaming...
@@GriffinPilgrim An embryo suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome.
To this day I still cannot understand what the banana thing was going to accomplish
His own depravity sated
I would say shock value, but that would give him too much credit. He's just a mentally derelict degenerate who hides behind actual intellectuals within the atheist community.
"The things I did in that video, I did because I enjoyed them" dude literally says it himself. It just happened to get leaked.
For the lulz
Le flying spaghetti monstar told him to do it xD
Finding all of these old clips is impressive
Thanks for this, I like how you include a lot more of his own commentary on the events than some other videos of this type. Everybody will include his response to the banana video, but I don't think I'd heard his response to the failed streaming platform before.
“They thought I wasn’t worth anything because I didn’t have the latest fashions from The Gap” is a beautifully underrated statement
Man I think I first encountered this guy back in the Nostalgia Critic days. I remember him being like, very weird even then, and I think the first time he really broke through was when he did a video where he burned a koran, bible, and some atheist book to prove some point about how they're just books, and even then I was like 'man this guy is dense as hell to not understand the basic concepts of symbolism.' Now I know so much more about his eternal weirdness.
AmazingAtheist v VenomFangX was amazing early UA-cam drama. Raw video responses going back and forth every day 😂
Jesus, I remember when venomfangx did that weird-ass joker response video against thunderf00t... early youtube was weird
VenomFangX oh my god my neck just broke from getting sucked into the past like that. Absolute gold plated nonsense.
He's the og reddit atheist
"im like most guys aside from the insanity and the actual IQ in the triple digits" my brother in not-christ, 100 IQ IS TRIPLE DIGITS, WHICH IS EXACTLY AVERAGE
That was his point.
Bro, you just fell for a very old reddit meme (probably originally a 4-chan meme)
**woosh**
The meme lives on
*average in whites* should check out other groups for THEIR averages
TAA is the spiritual father of Vausch.
i understand this
*Vowsh
I wanna believe the skeptic community formed to avoid becoming like TJ Kirk.
There's like an anti-aura to his content. Like what NOT to do as an atheist.
And its boring, bland, and polite. And wow look at that the christain scene is bigger then ever, but we dont want to be mean ooo might hurt someones feelings.
@CraftyArts I think the skeptics were technically the edgy ones, at least politically.
Because, iirc, they separated from Atheism+, which fits your description more with the difference that they were glazing Islam instead of Christianity.
@@CraftyArtsyour subbed to the serfs, your probably not that smart
@@CraftyArts
Seconded. I’m waiting for a new wave of anti-theist or at least anti-theocratic state atheists to rise in light of Trump and his administration’s inevitable plans to Christianize the country.
@@coffinfeeder7732 You're a weirdo that wants kids to be trans.
Was big into TJ and the Drunken Peasants podcast in college. Grabbing some popcorn this is going to be good!
“Sky daddy” “tips fedora” “wife’s boyfriend” “trust the science” “doge” “reddit” “updoots” “the character is actually 10,000 years old” “man of culture” erm actually” “it’s actually called ‘hebophelia’” ahh guy
Half of these can easily apply to Christians
As a former fan of TJ Kirk who unsubbed years ago, I was expecting some cathartic and nostalgic feelings for an era that was, but now I see that just like almost all Lolcows, we grew up and moved on; we found friends, hobbies, a partner, some started families, but the Lolcows NEVER grew up and got stuck in the past, trying to relive old memories
hes literally married and you're probably a virgin.
The Amazing Neckbeard.
I'm not atheist but I feel bad for atheists having this guy running around. This kind of person makes a mostly normal, mostly fine group wince and go, "we don't claim him."
Good folk and bad folk everywhere, in all walks of life. Athiest or religious.
He's an atheist. I'm an atheist. What is your point? You understand atheism is not a group or dogma right? You're not one of these 🤡s who thinks atheism is a religion too do you?
@MrManBuzz relax MrMan, did op bang your mom or something?
Atheists aren't really a group though, the only thing any of us really share in common is we don't believe God exists. That was always a problem with the UA-cam side of atheism it was trying to build a community that wasn't really meant to be a community.
@@sorrenblitz805Do you think people can change their gender?
I remember watching his early vids where he raged against the evangelicalism of the Bush administration. As a young edgylady, I thought he was pretty righteous but then I just stopped watching around GamerGate because that entire thing was obnoxious. Never kept up with him since. I don't feel like I've missed anything, but somehow, I've also missed so much.
GamerGate really was that moment where so many of us viewers kind of woke up to how bs a lot of the stuff was that he and other creators said, usually because it was so surface level. The whole SJW flame war was an arc that many youtube atheists did not survive well
@@sarmin8008 It made you brain-dead and people that are weird with kids trying to turn them trans cause you're freaks. Not to mention your ideology caused the Fent crisis. You have no reason to be boastful you and these likes are pathetic and scum.
You haven't missed much really, besides the good ol DP days and a little and I do mean little of DFF
Never ask a woman her age.
A man, his salary.
The Amazing Atheist, what he does with bananas in his free time.
The Amazing Atheist is probably the best ad for Christianity I've seen in a while
And then you meet Christians.... And you realize he's right lmao
@@wiwysovado you like bananas too?
@chadano1611 actually no, I have a real d!ldo. Bananas are too easy to mash unless you get one that's really ripe, and the ripe ones are uncomfortable
every thumbnail image on the timeline I stopped on had the Nostalgia Critic, I am scared
I will not have anyone survive No Nostalgia Critic November.
@@JoonTheKing Joon remembers him so he can force us all to do so as well
Shanny for christ would be a wild video.
dam i’ve known about him for a decade but i never knew about the pedophilia stuff
Honestly as someone who got into his content this year it is pretty amazing just how far this guy has progressed as a content creator and generally a person, excited to see him continue to develop into a bigger internet personality.
TJ is the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
wow, i never knew about fakesagan, but now i do and i can't stand him.
Joining ThatGuyWithTheGlasses when it was in it's prime is like signing off for a study of the human condition I swear
Guru Larry is the only TGWTG survivor who came out untouched by its miasma. Maybe Brad Jones too but I havent seen the guy in ages
@@sarmin8008 Not in the loop, but didn't Linkara (AT4W) also come out alright?
@@adis3202 Guess he did too, regarding the whole uproar about the channel awesome stuff. He still can't take jokes, tho
'Insert Banana joke.'
Banana Slamma
Insert Banana....
"insert" banana joke.
insert "banana" joke.
insert banana "joke".
Oh man, the best part of this was reliving my early days of UA-cam. I was there for the atheist vs Christian fued on UA-cam, never got too involved in the fight (and hindsight I'm really glad I didn't because it was so crazy), but man was it an experience seeing it unfold in real time. So great seeing the crunchy low quality webcam videos, those were crazy times.
I still like TJ. He's grown a lot since his early days, but we all did. It's what people are _supposed_ to do.
Facts
"I've spent the last.. four-and-a-half hours, arguing with feminists on Reddit"
The lack of self awareness required to say this without realizing _at any point_ you're humiliating yourself for all of UA-cam to see is like, a genuine accomplishment.
He literally asked "why?!" I'm pretty sure he knew.
The original "e-beggar" who needed funds for a new computer, at least a dozen times 😂
As a Feminist and someone who works in mental health, I want to offer my two cents- I really feel for TJ in some ways. I see a man who feels disenfranchised and abandoned by the world. He's clearly an angry fellow, but a lot of that anger seems to come from deep-rooted and unresolved trauma. It's clear that he doesn't want to acknowledge that trauma, though. He sees it as engaging in the "victim mentality" and he wants to believe he is intellectually superior to that mentality. So he'd likely reject any attempts by the people around him to try and help him process that trauma.
The stuff he said to that Reddit Poster was, indeed, terrible, but personally I am conscious of how truly awful you must feel within yourself to be mentally ready to hurt someone so deeply. I don't believe TJ is a socio-psycho path, he is capable of empathy. So to be willing to say these things indicates to me that the mental pain he was feeling in that moment outweighed his capacity of empathy significantly. It doesn't excuse or justify his behaviour, of course. But if I could talk to TJ, I'd tell him this: even though you did something awful, you still don't deserve to suffer as badly as you're suffering.
And for the record, as a Feminist, I disagree strongly with Sharon Osborne's statements. Physical harm to that degree is never funny. I think that many women laugh at the concept of men being physically harmed because they or someone they love has not been directly affected by such an incident, and therefore there's a separation of reality for them. Whereas, every single woman knows at least one woman who has been physically harmed by a man in some capacity. Again, this is NOT a justification or excuse for those woman laughing at that poor man, merely an explanation. Ironically, the Feminist movement DOES talk about male survivors of SA or DV quite a lot, while people who don't take an interest in Feminism tend to be ignorant of such topics.
I wish TJ had realised sooner that Feminism is not the enemy. I understand that dogmatic thinking is the main point he takes contention with. But his angry, defensive approach to the topic helped to foster that dogmatic thinking in his OWN community. Now we have Red Pill, Alpha/Sigma males, MGTOW, and MAGA communities with similar dogmatic views. TJ didn't invent these things, but he definitely created an avenue by which his fans could arrive at these things. It's sad because I do believe that was the opposite of his intent. But it's true. We need Feminism more than ever now.
Perhaps he's abandoned by the world because he's an intolerable pretentious a hole that is hard to be around.
Also a feminist, glad to see this comment. Sharon’s comments were disgusting, but for TJ to say the inverse would never happen to women when wife beating jokes are literally the humor of an entire generation is disingenuous and reflects a lack of understanding of our experiences as women. Even today, young boys are saying your body our choice 😓 I wish more men online would look into intersectional feminism, it is about EVERYONE being equal, and like you said, that includes men. Men are suffering under the current system too. Anyone who claims to be a feminist or activist who doesn’t care about violence and abuse towards all genders isn’t really a feminist, theyre an asshole
If you watch TJ's content, it becomes immediately obvious that he is a progressive lefty and a gender abolisnist. A lot of his content is in advocating of women and civil rights. If feminism truly means advocating for equality, then TJ is a feminist.
Feminism 🤮🤮🤮
I disagree about your feminism point. I actually agree with you but feminism isn’t the solution.
I think equality between the sexes is optimal for society but feminism is explicitly for female rights. Mgtow/redpoll ect and feminism shouldn’t be uplifted but instead there should be a third position that is just for equality between the sexes.
Leftists and feminists in particular infight too much and it’s too common to see many individuals from this side supporting bad policies and movements like affirmative action and me too which made tried normal interactions between men and women seem like rape or sexual assault.
Absolute banger Joon!! I also love the colossal is crazy video he did on “the amazing atheist” lol
Yooo didn't expect to see fire fighter chronicles but damn if he's not a breath of fresh air
To anyone cynical about the world and internet of today, I hope y'all take comfort in the fact that the internet actually and truly was a weirder and more fucked up place even just a few years ago.
There will probably never be a more famous neckbeard as he was anymore, and we can all rejoice in that fact lol. Humanity IS evolving, slowly but surely!
The internet was better back then, even better earlier, before the entire internet became like 4 websites
Ironically, my cynicism of today stems from how positive thinking and the culture surrounding it has only speed ran tall poppy syndrome and devalued art. I'm okay with depravity, I'm just tired of conformity masquerading as compassion.
@@jelliot8256The internet created Chris Chan back then. It was not better.
@@CantRead1 those two sentences contradict each other
The internet was sterilized and corporatized in the early 2010s. A few years ago? It was the same as it had been for more than a decade.
Dude is trash but having intimate videos or photos leaked is still something no one should have to deal with being on the internet.
when did making intimate material of oneself become normalised? anyone who does that weird stuff should expect it to be leaked at some point, no sympathy
@@lb5818 Shit take but you do you.
@@lb5818lol Fr tho cus there’s ways to minimize these sorts of situations and just not participating in them is the best way. Not sure why that offended that one guy here tho.
@@Tony333Aye “don’t record yourself doing anything because it could get leaked!!" is not the take you think it is
@@TaintedSoulSilver How is it a shit take? It's common sense you and all the upvotes are just idiots.
8 minutes in and I've already learned more about this man than any video I've seen of him before.
This dude only knows how to communicate through arguing and it's honestly shed some perspective on him.
It's annoying that the banana incident is the one thing that keeps getting brought up to dismiss TJ when it's actually one of the few things he does have the moral high ground on.
Yeah what I've just learned is that most people don't know the full context and think that he uploaded the video online.
@@justadude3789 most people didn't watch the Drunken Peasants then I guess, cause he flat out explains it was leaked by a private party in a conversation with Brett "The Manatee" Keane.
@@sorrenblitz805 "People will readily embrace a captivating lie over a mundane truth" quote from... not even google knows apparently.
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It's also really weird for people to bring it up when TJ feels absolutely no shame over it and has happily put references to it on merch
Every time the algorithm curses me with a random TAA video based on what I liked 15 years ago, I click that video and I leave a comment saying “Wow that beard is luscious! Glad to see TJ kept up with his potassium intake throughout the years!” He has to have seen at least one of them.
Of all the UA-camrs I wanted to forget, he was on the top of the list.
I was there from the beginning. It can't be understated how god damn hilarious that Drunken Peasants episode was when they had Milo on and he tried to justify his own child molestation. Single-handedly destroyed the guy's career.
Watching this, I'm incredibly glad I never watched his content when I was younger.
I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the DP/DFF guys, they kept me entertained during many hours of work back in the day. This had bunch of this stuff I'd never heard before. While I don't really follow his content anymore, it's interesting to see his origin story 🤣
Good video!
I had not even heard about the banana. But what did it destroy, really? Was there a legacy or that much of a stellar reputation? I did watch some of his stuff back in the ancient past, and while he would regularly have something reasonably sane to say about atheism it was still a loudmouth reactionary ranting rather than intellectual or particularly well argued. I think the banana incident fits my mental image of this character, and even 4chan was like "dude owned it, brass balls on this one".
One banana got hurt in the making of this guy's career
TJ is the very definition of "product of his times" lol. I gotta admit though the only thing I can ever think of when I see him these days is that I'm just jealous of his beard.
TJ is the kind of UA-camr I just actively avoid, a guy who just seems to spend all day every day screaming, shouting, ranting, bitching, moaning, complaining, and railing against everything he hates.
He argues for the sake of arguing because he likes the sound of his own voice, despite the fact he has nothing of value to say.
He's the type of guy who's only joys in life are ruining other people's days with his obnoxious pseudo-intellectual attitude, and the best way to deal with him is just to block him and move on.
Joon, you have no idea how much your videos bring joy to my life
really, he was the prototype for the modern youtube/twitch provocateur. ahead of his time in terms of arguing with people constantly & saying anything for a reaction.
i feel like i ran with it pretty well
vaush before vaush
@dannydanny2789 that fool... i name drop him in my candance owens wtf video and he's not prepared