Hi! As a person who's very interested in this case I want to say a few things: 1. Slab avalanche theory is known for years (at least since 2017) 2. Sciencists mentioned by you used avalanche simulation based on physics of snow in the movie Frozen 3. The source of radiation: most of victims were working with radiation at Polytechnic or in nuclear facility Mayak and that's how a tiny amount of it was found on clothes.
@@mickeydangerez Something to remember is that around the time of the incident Las Vegas was selling tickets to watch nuclear explosions without protection. Things were a bit loosey goosey back then
@@mickeydangerez Doesn't matter if you wear a lab coat, and not all of the victims displayed increased levels of radiological contamination. Also, this was 1959, in the Soviet Union. Safety was rarely considered.
I think it's a little disappointing when a cool mystery has a simple and frankly boring answer, but I think the important thing is that this isn't just lights in the sky or a strange discovery, these were people, that died. There are people related to the incident that deserved closure that probably never got it. So having a likely truth to the incident is a good thing, even if it is "boring"
I feel like this fact is way too often overlooked: Not all the victims body’s had the same evidence. The blunt force trauma (equivalent to that of a car crash) was only seen in the bodies in the ravine. The radiation was only found on two of the bodies in the ravine.
Both comments prior to mine have summarized the answers to your concerns perfectly. Not all the uniforms were contaminated, not all of the hikers were swept all the way down into the ravine.
I'm an experienced hiker and the fact that they cut themselves out of the tent, with no clothes on, always suggested to me that it was an avalanche. There's not a lot of scenarios where someone would cut themselves out of a tent, the ones I can think of are avalanche and maybe wildlife in the tent blocking the exit. But that they had no clothes on suggested avalanche while they were asleep. So this is good, closes the book for me at least.
The slope was too gentle to support an avalanche, but I agree it was something natural. I can go with a "slab avalanche" though. It could have been a tornado that spooked them with high winds.
A few years ago, a homeless man in our city was in a parking lot in the middle of the night on a hideously cold night. The security cameras in the parking lot (which weren't monitored overnight, just kept running) caught glimpses of him as he wandered around, paradoxically undressing, before he finally curled up behind a dumpster. It was heartbreaking, knowing that he was hastening his own death.
it happens because once you get so cold your mind goes crazy basically, you get either so cold or so hot, you start frantically taking your clothes off. Happens quite often on Mount Everest
@@xyz7572 I was once caught out in the weather here in Buffalo. I left the house at noon in 65F weather, wearing only a sweater. I hadn't checked the forecast (always a mistake in Buffalo!) and didn't know the weather would drop to near freezing (32F) by the evening. I ran several errands by bus, and in the evening, I had to wait for my last bus in 35F temperatures, with a stiff wind pushing the wind chill down considerably. My exposed head and hands got terribly cold, and became very painful. It took about 45 minutes for me to "thaw out" when I got home, and the sensation in my warming hands was excruciatingly painful. I've heard that as you enter the last stages of hypothermia, the pain goes away and you feel warm and peaceful, but the time leading up to freezing to death hurts a lot, based on my personal experience.
I think people over-estimated the fortitude and resilience of the students as they were experienced hikers, and underestimated just how powerful and brutal Mother Nature can be. No amount of experience can protect you from a massive amount of snow sliding down and engulfing you. It is very sad, but not mysterious.
Regarding the missing tongue : 'Scavenging animals' is a perfectly sufficient explanation here, but as It's quite common for people involved in car accidents (and similar traumatic impacts) to bite parts of their own tongue off during the moment of collision, _(usually just the tip)_ _So it seems possible, quite likely even, that a human body (even a dead one) may potentially bite their own tongue off whilst they're being rolled over and violently thrown about inside an avalanche._
One thing to note is the stomach was found full of blood suggesting that it happend while alive. Also I think it was found fully torn out not "bitten off" but not sure
I have seen the autopsy photos. The person whose tongue was missing was well into decomposition and most of the face was gone, not just the tongue. When this story gets retold and the missing tongue is brought up as a mysterious point I just cringe because it's always out of context.
I’ve always wondered, if someone is aware of the phenomenon of paradoxical undressing, would they then try their hardest not to undress, knowing and understanding what their body is going through? Or is the brain so badly affected by that point that they are too disoriented to consider trying to stay dressed to save themselves? If anyone knows or has any relevant contribution, I welcome your responses.
Maybe. The problem is you can't think straight. If you're really thinking straight, why would you go against logic and take off your cloth in the snow?
The nervous system is so much in shock and they are not in the right mind , exactly as you suggested. Our body needs a very narrow range of temperature to function properly. Beyond that , nothing works as it supposed to, especially the brain. I've seen hypoxic patients trying very hard to rip off their oxygen mask, very frequently I might add
@@oskrm Yeah, but even if you can't think straight, would someone still be able to keep enough of a thought in their head to say to themselves "Yeah, I might be feeling incredibly hot right now. But it's just a symptom of hypothermia. If I remove my clothes, it'll only make it worse." And get yourself to survive a bit longer. Between 20-50% of people who die of hypothermia have paradoxical undressing, so we know it doesn't happen in everyone. The question is, do the people who still have their clothes do so because they fought the urge to undress, or because they didn't feel the urge to undress at all?
I used to be a firefighter EMT, and a lot of firefighters who have died while battling fire, were found with their gear off due to paradoxical undressing. The air in their airpack ran out, the smoke gets too heavy, the heat too intense, so on and so forth.
@@abnnizzy You know that feeling when you touch something really cold on a really cold day and it starts to feel like your hand is burning? I think it's like that (edit: but way more severe)
Now I guess the only unanswered question about this is how all the Yeti and aliens seem to be immune to slab avalanches. What do they know that we don't?
@@franklinkz2451 only about half. I’m amazed at how many people think a hike through the Urals in freaking January was just a no-stress lark. In fact I’ve wondered for years if they were up there for some legitimate reason. It would make more sense. Russian or not, that wouldn’t be a fun hike.
The gas lanterns they used had mantles made of Thorium dioxide commonly a major component; being radioactive. I use them to test my Rad detectors . And thank you JOE for doing a update.
That's been my theory for the radiation detected on a couple bodies. Perhaps on was carrying the lantern when it broke and another was carrying spare mantles... There wouldn't be enough radiation to harm you but there would be enough to be detected.
I wonder why the radiation issue was ever even considered strange then. This seems like such an obvious cause, and something that should have been initially considered. Were their items not inventoried and tested? It’s weird that the radiation even became part of the conspiracy theory with such an obvious source.
Then all of their clothes wouldve tested the same. Now it was just two guys and only their pants, both worked with radioactive stuff. Im more inclined to say it was carried from there, not the lanterns.
Actually the radioactivity was even worse than that as someone said it colored their skin. If they had that much radiation they had to be exposed to actual radiation containments.
HOLY COW my ex husband and I experienced the karman vortex street sound near Mount Hood in Oregon!! It was at a subsonic level- we could plug our ears and it got louder. It happened ALL NIGHT one night while we were camping. It was absolutely terrifying, we did not sleep AT ALL. In the morning, it was gone. Now we have an explanation!! Thank you!!
If you ever went camping back in the day like I did....you learned about old coleman lantern mantles. They were slightly radioactive and after the first use they were basically radioactive fly ash.
I camped a lot "back in the day". I didn't even really call it camping, I just basically lived outside during the summer (in Minnesota). Just because I went camping, why would I have learned that Coleman lantern mantles are radioactive? If the trees knew anything about it, they weren't talking. I don't think I even used Coleman lanterns anyway. When it got dark, I just let it be dark.
I owned a Coleman lantern, I just didn't bother using it. More stuff to carry. I am a minimalist camper. Usually just a couple of blankets and some snacks. I hate sleeping bags. I can't stand being trapped in the bag, and they're usually too hot.
@@theobserver9131 I'm from Minnesota originally too. I don't care what else you had along on your nocturnal perambulations I KNOW one thing you had lots and lots of. Skeeter dope, preferably 100% DEET but the strongest you could get your hands on whatever that might be. Without that pretty much anywhere in rural Minnesota is unlivable after dark. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or not a Minnesotan. It's not a matter of being too tough for the mosquitos, you could literally sustain enough bites to trigger a histamine reaction if you just go out there in the woods in bare hide and resolve. I was born in Freeborn County and spent significant parts of my life in Douglas, Cass, Koochiching, Lake of the Woods and Beltrami Counties. Good to find another Minnesotan. Where are you from?
Idk this was a pretty misleading video to be honestly. He didn’t include any info that didn’t fit his theory and there is actually a lot. For example the animal taking her tongue makes no sense on account she was proven to be alive when she lost it. The to first found bodies (the two yuris) hand their own skin in their mouths. They’re was an undisturbed flag pole behind the camps found in both the camp pictures before the incident and the crime scene photos after and it was in the same exact position. Even a slab avalanche would have moved that. Furthermore the yuris where found by the remnants of a fire. One of those yuris had a burn injury on the leg. They later found that dubina had his pants (burn marks and all) cut up and tied around her shins. This means she outlived him and presumably wasn’t to injured to take his pants, meaning her injuries likely occurred later after the original incident. That being said hers and two other people found had injuries from compelling force, and yet very little externally injuries. If I remember right it was a few scratches in some of them, however this was from a while ago when I directly translated from Russian so I can’t remember who had such injuries. However all that being said the three who died of terrible internal injuries should have had more external signs of injuries from an avalanche. I don’t pretend to know what it is but I also don’t pretend that you could wrap and easy bow on it or that “the most logical solution is the answer” because there is simply no logical solution. It was likely a large series of odd events but this video is no more “truthful” than any other.
There was a really great article about the Dyatlov Pass Incident written highlighting the same study Joe covered in the New Yorker earlier this year. It’s an excellent read if you’ve got the time. Also I’d love for Joe to cover the Khamar-Daban pass incident since it’s lesser known and possibly more horrifying.
As I came across this video my first thought was "I hope he also covers the Khamar-Daban incident". That one terrifies me to this day. Absolutely horrifying, especially for Valentina. Hopefully he covers the mystery one day.
I made that exact comment on the previous video and had several commenters reply to explain to me how snow works. LOL I think it was a few folks trying to sound superior, but yeah, I always wondered that, too.
@@deborahminter6231 I can see how that would work in some places, but considering the weather there is reported to be high winds and regular snow fall it just doesn't make sense to me. I live in Virginia, and if the snow fall and wind are consistent for more than a day or two, foot prints are gone. Then again, I'm no expert on that area and there is very likely something Im not seeing see or considering. To be clear, I don't think it's a conspiracy, it just doesn't add up for me.
@@Skitchhiker Totally! It may be no conspiracy at all, it just seems that the theories so far have yet to adequately explain what happened. Maybe some day will finally get answers 🤷♀️
Maybe the avalanche hit them only 3-4 days before they were found. Perhaps they had other issues that put them behind schedule, and that’s why they were there. Not sure if that makes sense but I am also curious about the footprints.
Love this! I watched Caitlin Doughty, aka Ask a Mortician, explain how the movie Frozen helped solve this mystery. It is nice to see that the science backs it up. Both good videos and great mysteries.
The member of the group with the missing tongue had blood in her stomach, a fact that was discovered during her autopsy. The loss of the tongue happened while she was alive. She swallowed that blood, so that wasn't the result of post mortem animal predation.
id like to know what amount of the tongue was severed and the nature of the injury that removed it, because that could give us a better picture of what happened. Edited to remove misconceptions.
It is possible to bite off your tongue during really bad accidents. You’re jaw is very strong and when you’ve been slammed into by a heavy weight (like a lot of snow) you’re brain can forget to safeguard from accidents like that. I dont know what the injury looked like, but that is a possible explanation.
It's worth remembering that all of the excised organs are known sinks for specific radionuclides. They were attempting to ascertain their full body burden of exotic radiation. The type yielded from nuclear accidents.
Concerning the radioactivity found on the clothes, I'd like to point out the pretty brutal Kyshtym disaster (3rd worst incident in the world after Chernobyl and Fukushima) which, in 1957 - 2 years prior to the Dyatlov Pass incident, irradiated part of the Ural region unbeknownst to everyone's knowledge, including police authorities (it took years to evacute affected villages). The incident took place near Chelyabinsk-40, a closed and unmarked city now known as Ozyorsk, at the secret nuclear facility of Mayak. Considering the expedition members studied in a city 2 hours north of Ozyorsk and considering, not only the Kyshtym incident, but also the extremely poor handling of nuclear wastes in the overall region, I think it's pretty safe to say the radioactive traces that were found are not a mystery whatsoever, even if we don't figure out the *exact* origin of it, it be from a covered up nuclear disaster or nuclear waste dumped in the envrionment or tools using radioactive elements. Soviet Russia irradiated its own land without a care in the world for decades, so I don't think this particular aspect needs as much attention as some people who may be ignorant of how things were back then (and really, still are today) may think it does.
Exactly. And several of the kids were part of the cleanup operations. As for the excised organs - they are all natural sinks for specific radionuclides. They were attempting to ascertain their full body burden of radioactivity - especially since they lacked young cadavers of people most at risk because of their rate of cell replication. The local cops blew the lid on the radiation testing and the missing organs. But they were completely ignorant of WHY they were testing (carried out by state security). Need to know and they didn't need to know.
@@bacicinvatteneaca Yeah, that's why they were forced to dig up the topsoil from the entire region and dump it in open air pits using several hundred million garbage bags (all of which will likely have rotted by now). 🤣
@@pamelabowden3017 All of these kids would have been hot with internal radionuclides. Indeed, everyone within several hundred square miles would likely have been exposed because of the Mayak incident. You can make a case that Mayak was the beginning of the nuclear medicine program in the Soviet Union (the same physicians would use what they learned in the Chernobyl catastrophe). Prior to this accident there had only been relatively small leaks of nuclear material and as the entire program was super secret nobody knew anything about them. The scale of the Mayak incident meant they couldn't just throw a blanket of security over the thing and cover up the casualties. And so the Soviet nuclear medicine program was kicked into gear. One of the problems they faced was a supply of young cadavers. They needed them to accurately determine what's known as "Full Body Burden" - the amount, intensity, type, spread patterns and specific locations of radionuclides throughout the body. Certain radionuclides bind to certain organs. Caesium to bones. Plutonium to the reproductive organs etc. Which explains the organ excision. The only reason there's a mystery about this is because the local cops were kept in the dark whilst the nuclear techs went about their grisly business.
@@nihlify that’s fair. I do however believe that the radioactivity of small particles would hardly be noticeable. Especially since we literally all have small particles of radioactivity. Technically we experience radioactivity daily, so it would have had to be a noticeable amount.
@@nihlify we are exposed to approximately 0.1 to 0.2 microsieverts of background radioactivity an hour, so to be noticeable it would need to be more and yet have to be below 4 sieverts which would kill you
the fucking lanterns had radioactive material in them...that's been a well-known and documented(solved) part of this story for a long ass fucking time...that wasn't even a real part of the mystery...just shit ppl been saying to keep up the hype about the wierdness. honestly....immediately people thought it was an avalanche, they just couldn't prove it because information on the particular type of avalanche wasn't well known/documented until somewhat recently... this was never really THAT big of a mystery...just one that hadn't been 'fully proven' yet. but very few people.
Paradoxical Undressing doesn't account for why they fled the tent naked. And the tent wasn't "covered with snow", it had very little snow on it and was easily visible to searchers
Yep... and if paradoxical undressing is about thinking you're too hot in freezing conditions and take off your clothes then WHY did they light a fire???...
When they heard/felt the avalanche, they rushed out of the tent as quickly as possible in the clothes they had on in preparation for going to sleep that night. When they got far enough away to feel safe they either started a fire to stay warm or tried to make their way back to the tent and died along the way. The ones who were more undressed than they would be for sleep were the ones who were already hypothermic and began paradoxically undressing.
I was thinking avalanche as soon as you mentioned "car-crash" injuries - it fits all the facts - you are curled up in your undies in a sleeping bag fast asleep when several tons of snow crushes your tent. In the ensuing darkness and panic, someone finds a knife and you somehow cut your way out from the inside of your tent, drag your friends out onto the slope and make for the shelter of the trees - because you are in your undies, your clothes are all buried, it's dark and the wind chill factor is going to kill you quite quickly. Some of you make it, some of you don't - plan is to go back at first light and dig out some clothes and provisions - but the survivors all freeze to death before morning. Perhaps they climbed the tree looking for a safe place to wait out til morning - are there bears/wolves around the pass ? Perhaps it was warmer out of the snow and in the shelter of the branches. Without knowing more about the missing tongue, we could even speculate that it wasn't the whole tongue missing but just the front - which you could easily bite off yourself if a couple of tons of snow hit you in the back of the head whilst your were asleep with it hanging out - ouch ! Perhaps some of them tried to gather wood and light a fire whilst others sought shelter in the crevasse...
I don't like the "undressing for bed" idea. This was Russia in winter, in the wilderness. They didn't have efficient insulation like "polar fleece", no efficient heating source, and probably didn't plan on bathing in a river or anything. I'd be surprised if they didn't plan to go to sleep in their clothing. I'm not sure of altitude, but it gets really cold at night in the mountains. It only makes sense with hypothermia. If stripping for bed made sense, it wouldn't have been a point of debate and discussion all these years.
The whole thing about the missing tongue was most probably because of scavenger animals. I've seen pictures of the bodies and she was also missing both of their eyes. Mostly due to scavenger or birds.
I made a documentary on the Dyatlov incident last year and this is pretty much where I sit on it now too. I think it's one of those cases where every little detail has been analysed to such a degree that it's very easy to poke holes in the obvious theories while simultaneously taking massive leaps in logic to make something more exciting fit. It's such an intriguing mystery that I feel many people would rather it stays just that, even if they wouldn't admit it, which I do sympathize with to some extent.
Did you come across what the explanation was for the footprints still being visible but the signs of the avalanche weren’t? I would just assume if there was enough time and snowfall to cover the avalanche there would also be enough time for the footsteps to be covered? Also I’m only assuming the footprints were even still visible bc it was said in the video, and I don’t have other knowledge of the subject to verify independently.
@@Messi10magic25 Wind blows away loose and powdery snow, but footprints are more compacted and therefore more resistant to the wind. It's very common when hiking on popular trails in the winter to see old boot prints from previous hikers sticking up from the ground at windy spots. Seen it many times myself.
@@smaakjeks yeah but not after an avalanche. Even the smallest of avalanches would wipe out footprints. I don’t buy the avalanche theory simply because no avalanche took place there. The tent was still mostly up. I believe it was a fire in the tent, which caused smoke and forced them to leave quickly. Actually, as an experienced mountain climber, there is basically nothing about the Dyatlov Pass incident that seems unusual to me. Every hiking disaster has some variation of these things - blunt force trauma from a fall, hypothermia, seemingly conflicting decision making. What do you think a “normal” hiking disaster is supposed to look like?
My only concern with this theory is why then the Hikers, for some reason, thought it was a good idea to abandon the tent when there was so little snow actually on top of the tent. They could've easily worked together to just stand up and hold the tent over a couple to dress up, push the snow off the tent, then either dig somewhere after retrieving their warming gear to hold out for the night, or just move the tent. Additionally if they were concerned about the slope or the wind, why they stayed away from the woods, again, made no sense. Pleas of exhaustion and hysteria when it's a pure suicide mission to leave all of your warming layers in such frigid climate even when half asleep makes such little sense it would be more believable the hikers went there to die on purpose. I would know because even as a Boy Scout and sleeping outside in upwards of -20 degree weather, I slept in my warming layers inside my sleeping bag and was still cold, to the point I would put my boots back on because multiple sock layers didn't stop the wind cutting through. That was with modern tents with wind-breaker shields and an entire bottom layer of hay, and with a buddy in the tent for additional heat. Why they're not dressed but somehow survived this cold weather for so long again, makes absolutely no sense. Just because something on the surface looks plausible doesn't automatically write it off as true. Because common sense determined they should have under pressure done just fine. Why it magically disappeared overnight will never truly make sense.
Hearing/feeling an avalanche could have been e3nough to throw them into a panic. Why would you wait in your tent to see if the avalanche will be large enough to bury you? I think another plausible scenario is the bomb testing they were doing in the area. That could have been enough to scare them into running away from it if they thought the bombs were landing nearby their tent.
I really love how you'll go back and cover topics more in depth or share new findings. It can't be easy to stay on top of it all but it is greatly appreciated
There was nothing here that was "more in dept" than any other video made on it in the last near decade. There where no new findings. Everything he stated has been known for years. Idk if this guy knew his fan base didn't know about this incident, or he just thought we where all idiots. But he's years and years late
@@kavalogue he's probably catering to the masses of his viewers, 12 year olds who shouldn't even have phones let alone unhindered internet access, of course they aren't old enough to know/remember the facts of such an incident, so probably thought nobody would call it out.
I have just watched a documentary called "an unknown compelling force" about this. Its definitely worth a watch . It shows the post mortem photos and reports, the hikers personal diaries and photographs.
Yes THIS. I thought they did a good job laying out all the possible theories, ruling things out etc. What was the most interesting, is they proved the tent was open from the outside, something that everyone is misinformed about. Really is a game changer tbh.
I am impressed how well this case was investigated back in the day. It's often frustrating to look at such old incidents, accidents and cases due to no one caring enough to test X or evidence Y got lost later, but here it feels like someone really wanted to know what was going on - I mean testing hikers for radiation doesn't sound too common to me.
If the Russian authorities investigated this so thoroughly... I wonder if it was just an avalanche that killed them. The Soviet Union wasn't known for caring this deeply about dead folks.
If you take into consideration the political environment of the time and the nature of some nearby highly secret facilities (involved with a major accident a few years earlier), then testing for radiation makes perfect sense.
@@chillinwithaguitar9980 Have you taken it upon yourself to be our Ambassador of Tourism, or is this some kind of self-promotion?!? Anyway, have a good one, fella.
I listened to a similar story of mountain hikers mysteriously dying and it was especially horrifying because one girl survived to tell the tale. Somehow everyone got pulmonary edema at the same time and died violently and quickly. I'm no doctor or physicist so I don't know what conditions caused that or if they were present here but it's a horrible way to go and you'd definitely cut your way out of a tent if it happened to you or everyone around you.
I have been watching every documentary regarding this case that I come across. Been fascinated by this mystery since I was in my 30's, and I am now 62. There is something interesting that I never hear anyone address when discussing what could have happened. That is, there is an entry in the diary of one of the hikers which reads "At least we now know that the snowman is real" And there is a photo recovered from one of their cameras that shows a mysterious figure standing in an odd pose beside a tree. My question is - could there have been someone stalking them ? Someone they referred to as "the snowman" for whatever reason? And, if not, who was in the photo who looked large & dressed all in black so that you can't identify them in the photo? And who could the diary text have been referring to? Could "his" presence there have been connected to the strange lights in the sky? I don't really buy the whole avalanche theory, and because of the unanswered questions about the diary entry & the photo of the dark figure, I think there is more to the story. Besides, I do NOT trust the government. Why did they keep all of this in the dark for so many years. They were hiding something. I just don't know what, & we probably never will.
I can't remember where I saw it but I watched a documentary that claims they were in fact murdered by a hostile hunting party. They weren't Mansi but some other group, a group even the Mansi feared. It had forensic experts, former F.B.I. agents who had studied the case, ( as a hobby, not in any official capacity) and several Russian experts. It was very interesting and I thought they presented some strong evidence. They even had an expert show that the tent had been cut into not out of. I'm not sure how they died. Avalanche seems most likely but doesn't answer everything. We'll never know 100%. If my old brain ever gets to firing correctly and I remember the name of the show, I'll post it. I just find it nice to see someone who's as interested in this as I am.
if you have read every case you know the anwser my friend: their internal stove got fucked and they had to flee their tent in a hurry. This explains the burn markes, cutting from the inside, lack of clothing and EVERY other aspect of the case. The internet blew this one up... sorry to be the messenger.
@@RamboTim This was a big mystery way before the internet. I knew about it in the 1970s & 80s. I don't think the stove theory explains everything, but it may be a factor for sure.
I have also been interested in this tragedy for many years, and consider that the diary entry and photo evidence shouldn’t be dismissed. Those two things were left out of this video. One more thing not mentioned - on the opposite side of the tent from the large cut outs, there were a few holes notched out. The theory for these is they could have been look-out holes for watching…(something). If I’m not mistaken, the Mansi knew about large creatures they called the Menk. Also, one pathologist stated that the crushed torsos were indicative of tremendous “squeezing.”
There's a couple really good videos out there. One produced by Lemmino goes into quite a lot of depth, and a lot of their stuff has quite good production quality behind it
My father was a platoon commander in 'Nam. I still have the compass he was issued in training, and the warning on the casing says it contained 75 mcg of Tritium. The half-life of Tritium is 12.3 years and it's at least sixty years old, so I guess it's no longer a radiation hazard.
Half life means it's expended half of its radioactivity in that time. It's still half again as radioactive as it ever was after that though. It's kind of like the question how long does it take a bear to get out of his cave if he walks halfway out every day? The answer is he never makes it out. It's a half, then a half of that half, etc.
So it's official that the picture of the man or bigfoot lurking behind a tree is real. My question is why didn't that picture alarm the crew. Whoever took the picture should have been worried cause up in the cold mountain. A encounter with a man that's acting suspicious lurking behind a tree isn't normal. Why would they keep pushing forward when they know a strange man or bigfoot is close behind them or the possibility that it left after being seen by the photographer. I've seen this case tons of time on UA-cam and they never focus around the man or bigfoot following them. They just talk about the crime scene and each person's death but I believe it was either the stalker or the environmental where they chose to stop and camp. That spot could have been radioactive and to be on a high level of radiation could be painful and drive them insane. Than the stalker arrives punching one in the chest, ripping out a tongue for a meal later. That's my explanation on the case.
@@1pcfred So its more than 4 halflives, so there is less than 1/16 of the initial activity left. That should be pretty safe, at least a lot safer than it used to be.
I dont know why but everytime i get the flu or being sick i binge a lot of your videos. I watch you regularly but when im staying home and in bed i binge a whole bunch more haha
That's because only a sick person can binge watch him. He's too boring, too conservative, and doesn't stimulate imagination. The only benefit of watching him is that sometimes he talks about some odd cases which not many people heard about.
@@damyr you obviously are just looking for stimulating, meaningless material like tiktok or yt shorts, you don't have the brain capacity to be able to find enjoyment in just facts alone. Let me guess, you're looking for flashy editing, funny cuts, speculation of extraterrestrial and sci-fi stuff, ANYTHING as long as you don't have to use your hippocampus, you amygdala activation-craving Neanderthal. You have the right to an opinion, but your opinion is utter garbage, like your intellectual abilities based on that comment, dAmYr. You even liked your own comment, how pathetic
I really liked Lemmino’s theory where essentially, one of the guys on the expedition had a homemade stove and chimney in the tent and it malfunctioned and filled the tent with smoke, thus dazing and confusing everybody and caused a panic, leading them to flee and die of exposure
Apparently they had not unpacked the stove on the last fateful night in question, plus it wouldn’t explain why they walked away some barefooted and mostly underdressed over a kilometre from their only shelter, I believe they were terrified buy something I know I would have to be really scared to walk away from my tent at night without fetching my boots, clothes and keys to my motorcycle😂
Yes, this kind of avalanche was treated about a year ago in the Ask a Mortician channel, where the situation of the undressed people was addressed too. The snow animations of the movie Frozen had to do with the solution.
@@mickeydangerez The bodies weren't "radioactive," like in a glowing, drop dead around them fashion. They just had a tad more radioactivity than normal; if you research the subject, you'll find out that bananas and Brazil nuts and many regular things are also "radioactive." This video proposes the idea of some painting they used in their apparel contained radium; using radium in daily use objects was common at the time (hence the reference to the Radium Girls video, it's not a song, but a horrific case of criminally bad working conditions mixed with ignorance about what high radioactivity does); other comments here mention the hikers worked in studies about radioactive materials. And that's all about it. It's not aliens not some dark conspiracy. Buy a Geiger Counter and be amazed at how much radioactivity is there around you.
I found it interesting that a slab avalanche is treated like it’s a new discovery. On a much, much smaller scale everyone knows about them. Think about metal roofs, there are snow guards installed sporadically along the edges of the roof to keep the snow/ice from sliding off the roof as one big sheet which is much more dangerous that having small chunks of snow/ice slide off. It was just surprising that the video approached this phenomenon as if researchers have never dealt with it or noticed that this happens sometimes.
@@kelliesaunders4905 I think it's because that kind of avalanche had not been considered as the possible cause of those hikers' death until recently. The case is very unusual, in a terrain flat enough as to make slab avalanches not an obvious occurrence, and no survivors to tell what happened. And, when rescuers arrived, no traces of the avalanche left. The type of avalanche is well known, but it took some time to signal it as the likely culprit in this case.
I'd definitely recommend checking out LEMMiNO's video on the case if you're interested in learning more about it, it does a good job at proposing and supporting another possible theory. Great video as always Joe!
I was going to comment this. Lemmino's interpretation is definitely my favorite. I honestly think the avalanche theory is reaching as it needs so much technical justification. The simpler option is that their gas stove in the tent wasn't venting properly, or otherwise malfunctioned, and they cut the tent in a panic.
@@theungulate Other videos have stated that the gas stove was not assembled so could not have been the cause.Bedtime stories did several videos on this and the last one presents a theory which is the one I find most plausible, basically the weather was calm when they set up the tent but during the night heavy winds (Katabatic winds) threatened to blow the tent down the slope with them in it. They then cut the tent open to escape before fleeing for the shelter of the trees and ultimately perishing.
@@temerityxd8602 and with the injuries that some of them had, wich would kill you in about minutes, they just walked some hundred meters ignoring they had to be dead already... Sounds legit.
@@HagenMunsch They were uninjured when they left the tent. Once arriving at the treeline three of them including Dyatlov attempted to return to the tent but succumbed to hypothermia before reaching it, some of those remaining were able to start a small fire before two of them died with one of them potentially falling into or very near the fire causing the burns found on his body. The surviving four members went further into the forest looking for shelter, they found a crevice/small ravine and built a snow cave at the bottom. The snow cave then collapsed on top of them, causing the heavy injury's found. The bodies were then further damaged by animal predation and exposure to the elements.
As for the tents being cut instead of zipped… isn’t it possible it was just so dark they couldn’t see the zipper? If the tent was in an avalanche, maybe it was tossed upside down and they figured it would just take less time (panicked and injured) to cut the way out? Idk makes sense to me
If there were katakan winds, the tent may have been literally crushed with the force and with the group trapped inside, suffocating. There only escape would have been to cut themselves out.
There are a number of problems with this theory. Firstly, part of digging down into the snow where you pitch your tent, is testing the snow to see if it's prone to avalanche. They would have been well aware of slab avalanches, know what conditions in the snow cause it, and would have been testing for it. They wouldn't have JUST been looking for a flat area. Secondly, you can see from the scene that there was no evidence of avalanche. An avalanche is actually the most obvious theory, and the reason this is a mystery in the first place is that there is no evidence of it. A slab avalanche requires old, compacted hard snow to make the slab. This will not just melt away or blow away in the wind. Thirdly, the tent showed signs that before they cut their way out, they cut slits for viewing. Lastly, paradoxical undressing isn't fairly common, it's fairly rare. We just have lots of examples of it because an awful lot of people die of hypothermia. If one of them exhibited paradoxical undressing, it would be an anomaly. But for most of them to exhibit it stretches credulity.
The real problem for me is even if, EVEN IF they suffered an avalanche why on earth would it force you away from your camp ground? I have a truly hard time believing that in the event of an avalanche the panic is so extreme these experienced hikers decided to abandon their injured comrades and run NAKED into the pitch black wilderness
The only mystery is how some of them are found crashed in the ravine, two are frozen naked and the rest of them freeze to death in attempt to climb back to the camp. There is a theory for heavy snow which started to crash the tent, so they cut from inside to escape and may be then the avalanche hit them ... who knows it had to be a hell of a crazy messy situation.
The radioactivity did come from their equipment, specifically the lanterns they had. Gas mantle camping lanterns like those made by Coleman had thorium based gas mantles, which are radioactive. You gestured vaguely at the concept of radioactive gear, and I just wanted to offer more detail as to what that radioactive gear probably was.
I had heard on one Dyatlov Pass "explanation" video that the radioactive clothes belonged to two of the men in the group that worked in a factory or some sort of facility where they would have made contact with radioactive material. So that explains that.
They were at the site of the Kyshtym disaster which was the third worst nuclear disaster and actually released more radiation than Chernobyl (Chernobyl is considered worse than Kyshtym because more people were affected by where the radiation ended up) and at the time they didn't understand the effects of radiation quite as well so they didn't decontaminate their clothing.
My favorite theory is the stove smoking them out of their tent. Explains why they would have resorted to cutting their way out, and why they would not have immediately returned, and their state of undress. And the fact that many of them may have been more or less drunk at the time was basically a death sentence in the freezing cold.
This is just ridiculous. These weren't bored kids out for a weekend in a park 2 miles from home. Why the hell would they trash their shelter in the middle of nowhere in freezing temperatures because of a little smoke? Likewise, anyone experienced with ANY kind of winter conditions knows that alcohol is NOT your friend. I find it hard to believe that an experienced group of winter hikers settled down for the night & got shitfaced. And to top off the alcohol point, I'm sure that if that were the case it would have been one of the first facts released w/ any autopsy report.
@@TheFreeBassIt's patch black, you just woken up startled, coughing unable having trouble breathing, eyes stinging, nose burning, barely able to scramble yourself upright amongst everyone else around you. Trying to get out of the front end of the tent to fresh air but failing either by not knowing which direction it is (this would be a very confusing moment) or simply not being able to reach it with everyone else in the way; etc. The smoke is insufferable, and no one can breathe, so after managing to find your knife you cut open the tent and everyone scrambles out to breathe some fresh air. This is where the trouble starts. I can't guarentee this is anything close to what actually happened but it would make sense either way. Lemino's video makes a very good case for the burner stove hypothesis (also; it is confirmed by the autopsy reports that some of them were intoxicated)
I always assumed the radiation was from their lamps. The socks you put on propane camping lamps have thorium on them. At least they used to. As we know thorium is radioactive. In fact it was the original girl for reactors until the uranium rush during WWII and after. And of course it's being looked into again currently.
The behaviour of the hikers became irrational. think about it: 1) they build a small deposit of provisions and they leave behind a pair of skis (there were no spare skis) that means that one of them walked one Km from the deposit to the tent. why? and the next morning that person had to walk back to the deposit to retrieve his skis? it makes no sense. 2) a ski stick was found cut in the tent. why? why would they do that. ? 3) suddenly they start cutting the canvas of the tent with knives. that canvas is NOT easy to cut, and they needed several attempts to finnaly cut it. there were many cuts along the tent, as if all of them started to cut their way out, ignoring the two exits on each side of the tent. why??? this makes no sense at all 4) they leave the tent, and they walk out without boots into the snow. without gloves, without shoes, without coats..... why? 5) they gather in a group and they walk downhill with 9 sets of footprints walking as if they were in a trance. why? 6) Only 2 of them had boots, the other 7 were barefoot or wearing socks (one had only one boot ). isn't that irrational? 7) NONE were wearing gloves. One of them had a pair of gloves in a pocket of his coat, but he did not use them. WHY ????? Everything started to go wrong in the STORAGE HOUSE. Suddenly they leave behind a pair of skis (remember they had no extra skis), and they make a wrong turn towards the Kholat Syakhl, 1500 meters away, instead of going to the mountain pass, which is the logical route. They took that wrong turn, eight of them in skis, and one of them walking. How is that possible? Why they didn't say: hey what are you doing? go pick your skis. Whatever happened, started in the Storage House, after that, it looks like they were in some kind of a trance, making strange uncomprehensible decisions My opinion is that they were under the influence of a hallucinating drug.They were university students, and had contact with other chemistry students. Maybe they took LSD and Meth. That is the only thing that can explain their irrational behavior. The official soviet autopsies reveal no drugs in the bodies. But I can imagine the soviet government censoring that fact. It was 1957. They could not reveal that 9 young soviet students were dead because of drugs. Drug use among young people was a characteristic of capitalist countries
Hi Joe. Regarding the radioactivity; a far more likely scenario is thorium gas lantern mantles. These become quite brittle and make a fine dust. Even though they are not very radioactive, the dust will still be easily detectable above background levels. Obviously an avelache would easily break the lantern's glass casing. Thank you
Yes, some of them paradoxically undressed in the tent and then they all went for a nice walk outside and stayed there until they died. Staying outside naked is much better than digging out your clothes from your mostly intact tent, right?
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There are several seriously big missing links in this avalanche theory that make it very improbable. Obviously Joe Scott isn't much of an outdoorsman or experienced in avalanches. Going by the description of evidence given in this case, the following should be considered... 1) An avalanche isn't going to cut (from the inside) people out of their tent and haul those individuals down the hill leaving their tent where they pitched it on the hillside. 2) This wasn't a case of paradoxical undressing due to hypothermia as their clothes weren't scattered around but had been left in their tent along with their shoes. 3) Evidence of their tracks were found at the site. A slab avalanche would have wiped out track imprints that had been left in the snow. 4) A person in good enough condition to shimmy up a tree in their underwear certainly would have been in good enough condition to hike back up to their tent to get their clothes and some gear. 5) Slab avalanches leave a debris field. Of slabs if nothing else. These debris fields are often the last remnants left when the snow thaws. They just don't disappear in a few days or weeks. I could list more inconsistencies but I think you get my drift.... 30+ years of being in SAR tells me the claim of an avalanche as the culprit in this event is like trying to shove a square peg in a round hole.
I'm an avid follower of the Daytlov Pass mystery. Thank you for the follow up with such detail. However, I'd like to add that there is evidence that is not presented as often that I didn't hear you address,. A camera was found at the tent site and when developed two pictures stood out. One was of bright circlular lights low to the ground and the other shows a figure standing near the tree line siome distance away. No one has been able to explain these photos. I think these are important evidence to include when talking about this mystery.
No one has been able to explain how they were able to take a picture of a human being in a forest. It cannot be explained. It is much more likely that it is an alien.
One of the member's diaries even has a comedic message like "Now we know who the real Snowman is", as if joking about one of the friends photobombing and looking like a snownan
So a few things: 1. Of the two members with radioactive clothing, one worked with radioactive materials at the polytechnic school, and the other worked at a nuclear plant. The levels of radiation match this kind of exposure. 2. Another theory has been put forward for the cut tent and minimal clothing: their stove. To use a stove in a tent, you need a chimney. For the stove they had, if the chimney was set up improperly it could have funneled wind into the stove rather than smoke out, spraying hot ash and dust into the tent, causing darkness, disorientation, and panic. This would likely have lead to cutting open the tent in order to find a way out of the hot choking ash. Due to the suddenness of the incident, there would have been no time to get properly dressed. Paradoxical undressing could also have set in at this point, exacerbated by the already lacking clothing. 3. The missing tongue (and other facial bits, iirc) was also consistent with the body starting to decompose in water, as matches the bottom of the ravine. 4. The impact injuries could also have plausibly happened due to falling in said ravine.
Oddly enough... it was a Disney movie that helped with figuring out the slab avalanche theory. A computer simulation program that created some of the sliding snow animations in the movie Frozen was so realistic it was used to recreate the conditions on the night of the incident. And those simulations concluded that it was entirely feasible (and probable) that a slab avalanche was the smoking gun. Occam's Razor... lol
If you learn the names of the hikers ,their experience and the individual injuries it becomes more compelling that something other than an avalanche happened for instance one the hikers had marks on his hands that are common in fist fights another may have bitten his hand to stiffle a cry
There’s also a very recent docu, where the guy was able to view the original tent, and along with several other people, came to the conclusion that it was actually torn from the outside. That’s a game changer right there.
@@79Bobola no kidding that would chance the entire context of the incident, in my mind the most likely thing is weapons testing there was a lot this video didn't mention like the "unknown compelling force " comment etc.
Experts were doubtful that an avalanche could occur in that area, it wouldn't surprise me if the group underestimated the avalanche risk and got caught out. Marks around the knuckles are not uncommon when hiking outdoors (in winter)
Maybe they hard marks on their hand because they were trying to do a satantic ritual! Or maybe getting scuffed up is just a thing that happens in the wilderness. It's kinda pointless to speculate about something so trivial
If they got buried in an avalanche and then cut their way out of the tent, why did they run off into the woods in their underwear and separate after it was over? Things still do not make sense to me
@@laughablelarry9243 Which also applies to those wanting it to be some weird phenomenon or alien event. Sometimes, the simple answer is the answer. (Occam's razor, basically the best explanation of any phenomenon is the one that makes the fewest assumptions.)
@@VosperCDN it doesn’t have to be aliens or Bigfoot for it NOT to be caused by an avalanche?!? Not sure why people think that if you disagree with the avalanche theory, you must be some conspiracist, it’s asinine.
That mystery has always fascinated me. The avalanche hypothesis always seemed to me one of the most implausible -- and I don't see any change coming from this 'new evidence'. For instance, 1) Why would you cut through the canvas from the inside, or, even more baffling, poke several holes through it? I mean, how much easier would that be than simply using the proper opening? If you're buried in snow, but sufficiently all right in order to be able to grab your tools and so on, wouldn't at least one of those very experienced hikers say something like "hold on, I'm close to the door, lets unzip it or whatever and work our way out through here? 2) The tent, however, didn't look a bit like anything that had been buried in snow if the pictures from the rescue team are accurate. I'm not just talking about the fact it was not found under any crushing snow (which could have melted, ok) but the poles were all in place etc. If the so-called 'avalanche' left the tent in that almost pristine state, minus the cuts from the inside, then I guess even my fridge could have done a scarier job. 3) Why-oh-why would, again, VERY EXPERIENCED HIKERS or just anyone, really, with a pair of working neurons, come up with the brilliant idea of walking away from the tent into the freezing darkness -- into oblivion -- without even taking the time to 'fish' up their boots and heavy jackets instead of just working to free the tent from the supposed snow that had buried it? "Hey, lads, let's dress up everyone and dig this free; come on, we are many, it will take just five minutes". "Nah... Let's just walk very slowly in socks and T-shirts that way over there. Can't see where I'm pointing at? No problem, let's just spread and go stargazing anywhere in this rich -50° weather"... To mention just a few incongruous points.
I've watched every documentary I cud possible find on this case bc it's so fascinating ...NOTHING that I've read so far explains everything that happened to them...
I love that you follow up on your old videos when new information is found. This was fascinating! Thank you for the wonderful variety of topics and the entertaining way you share the information. Love your videos!!
this one is pretty late though...to be fair. I read the article talking about this being solved like...over a year ago, when I first came across joe's video on it and wanted to see if there was any update, and there was. =P
No new information found tho. So what the hell are you and everyone else talking about. This guy really knows his fan base. Knew ye knew nothing about this incident and took full advantage. Large parts of the internet have been following this extremely close for decades.
A note about the radioactive clothes: Certain gas lamps have radioactive torium dioxide in the gas mantle, some of that could have gotten on their clothes if the lamp broke in the avalanche.
Two points and a question: - I think the reason they used the knife to open the tent could be if the zipper was frozen that night and wouldn't open, and were in panic - I've read somewhere that the radioactivity was do to some of the hikers working with radioactive materials - If the reason was avalanche alone, it sure didn't hit them. I mean, if it did, wouldn't they be covered in snow? What about the footprints? There must've been more to this, I'm pretty sure they would have returned to the tent and patched the cut after the avalanche was over
There is also thorium in old Coleman lanterns! it's in the little glove sock things that burn in the lantern! the slab probably broke the lantern and pushed the thorium out. Now it's not just Coleman specific, but many old lanterns. when I worked at a local nuke plant that was one of the first thing they put a geiger counter, and showed me first hand (as an example of things being radioactive that you wouldn't think, or guess)
many of the people were actually covered in snow, both a few weeks after the incident, and a few months after it. Keeping in mind that calculated day of when they camped there was 1st of February, and the first body was found around 26 of February, so amount of snow there is probably not a clear cut "100% caused by avalanche" case either. the footsteps were found only part of the way to the first set of bodies, the rest 'got covered in deeper snow' - so it seems probable that that specific patch of snow wasn't touched by the avalanche. > I'm pretty sure they would have returned to the tent ... after the avalanche was over even without the avalanche hitting any of them: Some clothes were left in the camp itself, and footsteps indicated that some people were in socks or barefoot, and where clothes were still on people, some of those had signs of previously being taken from other campers post mortem. If they were awoken by avalanche sounds during the night, it would make sense that they were not wearing appropriate clothing while they were trying to get to safety away from the camp. If it was still dark, it could've added uncertainty to whether they could get back to the camp after the avalanche in time. Maybe they even tried to stay the night in snow near the campfire, or just spent enough time in the cold waiting for the sound to pass and figuring out what to do, that many of them were already doomed to freeze to death.
As an avid backcountry skier I’m wildly impressed with your ability to perfectly describe the two types of avalanches in two minutes (I’m assuming you found out the difference for this video)
Another point about the radiation, the brand of camping lamps found in their gear was known to be mildly radioactive. They thought the technology was safe at the time but around the 2000's it was discovered those types of lamps were a radiation hazard, nobody connected it back to Dyatlov pass initially but I've seen it mentioned in the last few years on some blogs.
Also only two of them had clothing that was irradiated, and those two had been at the site of the Kyshtym disaster which was the third worst nuclear disaster and released more radiation than Chernobyl (Chernobyl is considered worse because more people were effected due to where the radiation went) and they didn't understand the dangers quite as well at the time so many of the workers never decontaminated their clothing.
I would guess that the reason they were only wearing underwear was because they stripped down to their underwear to sleep in their sleeping bag. You actually stay warmer that way. I assume they heard the avalanche and had to run out of their tent before having any time to put on any clothes. This would also explain why they cut themselves out of the tent from the inside, if it was caught in an avalanche.
How could you stay warmer by undressing in a sleeping bag ? I've been in just mildly cold situations, and can assure you the more layers you have, the warmer you'll be.
Stripping being warmer in a sleeping bag is a myth. Unless your clothes are wet, or so bulky that the air pocket is filled in, wearing clothes will be warmer.
@@gramgramchabadou2524 because you sweat with the layers of clothes inside the sleeping bag and become colder due to the sweat. Trust me Ive been camping hundreds of times and in the dead winter cold of camping, underwear inside a sleeping bag is the best and most comfortable way to sleep.
The avalanche makes ton of sense and it seems very likely that is what actualy happened. I can get behind that. The main problem here is the avalanche theory doesnt explain why they evacuated their tent,which is their only shelter in that harsh environment,which is the first mystery here. They even cut their tent open from inside and that means they were in hurry. Opening the tent is a time waste for them. My thought is they heard the avalanche coming or something. Like grounds rumbling. But i dont think thats what happened. The avalanche theory is the best yet and i love it but it doesnt answer the main question. I would love to know others opinion about this. But i probably wont get any because this video came out long ago so less people are watching and commenting. But i will appreciate it if someone replied and let me know their thought of this. Thank you in advance if you replied. Love from Malaysia. Peace
Agreed, but only because bigfoot does not exist. If it is proved to be a real animal tommorrow, then you would be illogical to think it wasn't a yeti attack. They are attacked in front of the tent some in there underwear some fully dressed. Those in the rear cut there way out and run for it. Those stuck there are beat to death, so, car crash like injyries. Those that escape take shelter at the tree, try to build a fire for protection, then yeti shows up. Some try to climb the tree but are pulled down, leaving flesh in the bark. If yeti is an ape creature , well we know chimps and apes they rip out tounges, eyes and genitalia of their victims. Thus the tounges removed .A few more manage to get away and are freezing and attempt to dig out a shelter in the snow where there freeze to death. But.... yeti isn't real, so the avalanch theory is the best explanation. However.... if they find it is real.... then this was a yeti attack. And there are the photos and I think journal entries of a strange creature or native that was following them. I have heard it was a native wearing fur coats, that makes sense. That is why some ppl thought natives attacked them. But they where afraid of something or someone they had seen following them.
One of the biggest problems with the avalanche theory is that the tent wasn't crushed. In fact, several items were still set neatly in place. A stack of crackers and tinned food sat there undisturbed. After reading the book Death of Nine, I'm convinced this group was murdered, just not sure by who. One of the girls was keeping a diary and the very last entry in her diary was the name of the Mansi man the group met. Another theory is that the group member who worked in the nuclear lab set out on the expedition merely as a pretense to give nuclear information to a foreign power - basically he would have been a spy. The theory is that either the Soviets found out and killed him and the group (and then staged the whole thing to make it look like they died from nature) or the group member purposely provided disinformation to the foreign power (US likely) and this got discovered. The encampment in the woods below the hikers (in this theory) would have served as a staging area for whoever ended up killing the hikers. The tree with broken branches and twigs could have been used as an observation post by whoever was down there. The orderly footsteps in the snow and the way the items in the tent were undisturbed points to the idea that someone forced the hikers out the tent - as in they were told to stand up and start hiking downhill as they were. The tent getting cut open from the inside isn't verifiable fact - it was a passing comment from a seamstress who heard about the investigation. So it is possible the tent was cut open from the outside. Some of the men had bloody and bruised knuckles and contusions on their bodies in the shape of a horse shoe - the same shape as a rifle butt. The idea is that they fought back but got beat down. In addition to Luidmila, whose tongue and eyes were cut out, other hikers exhibited signs of torture, such as being burned and stood on (caving the ribs, chest cavity, etc). Idea being, whoever was in that lower forested area abducted the hikers from their tent at gunpoint, marched them down the hill, bound and tortured them, possibly to get information. Again, some of the men fought back but to no avail. Could have also been the Mansi guy though. But from everything I read in that book, abduction and murder appears to be the most likely theory.
I don't know what happened there exactly, no one knows. But the guy in the video leaves so much information put that doesn't suit his theory, it's pathetic. It's a pure clickbait video, nothing is even new information in that video, and other information is wrong or missing. Your theory uses a lot more actual facts. Of course that doesn't mean that it's true, but at least it's based on more facts and doesn't leave out stuff that doesn't suit the theory, like the Avalanche theories. All those Avalanche theories are so easily debunked because they absolutely make no sense, you have to ignore so many facts to believe in the Avalanche theory. Bad video imo
It still doesn't quite explain why they were naked? If they got covered by an avalanche, you'd imagine they weren't yet hypothermic when it happened, yet they chose not to bring their clothes from the tent? Were they already hypothermic when the avalanche woke them up?
I really love ya Joe. You are entertaining and informative as are your other viewers. Who knew gas lantern sleeves/mantles were doused in radioactive thorium dioxide? I do have some lingering questions regarding the Dyatlov Pass Mystery. The tent was found standing, propped up sturdily with poles, ropes, and skis. Seems like a slab avalanche would easily take that down and move it especially if the avalanche was caused by cutting a platform for the tent. Also much of the clothes were found inside the tent which seems an unlikely location for paradoxical undressing. Also, I could not find how many of the 9 were undressed but paradoxical undressing occurs in less than half of those who die from hypothermia. So if all 9 had only socks and skibbies, that would be weird.
Actually, it is, and was, common knowledge that such mantles contain thorium, particularly amongst the educated. You should explore the East Urals radioactive trace for the far more likely answer to the “radiation mystery”.
A lot of the other people pointed out that people get very wet while hiking in snow, and tons of people said they took off clothing in their tents to let it dry. It's possible they panicked or suffered paradoxical undressing while inside the tent, and then the irrational behavior afterward is just easily explained by paradoxical undressing.
Gonna call bulshit on the avalanche theory. The main reason (and by far the most damning) they said it couldn't have been an avalanche, is because all of their skis and poles were still standing upright when they found the tent. You can clearly see them in the photos. Convenient how that got left out of their "study". I've studied this incident thoroughly, and there's a lot of other unexplained aspects, but I'm not going to sit here and write a novel.
Because they would mock you and say some overly cliche unoriginal comment like, “where’s your tinfoil hat?” But I agree, lot of things don’t add up to a mere avalanche.
And what about the body recovery team members who said they saw Bigfoot type prints in the area around the tent. And were told to say nothing about them.
i definitely balk at “bigfoot, *shrug*” or “AYRLIENS!” theories, but i do feel that something more weird was going on. They could very well have been killed by an avalanche, but it seems that there was something more sinister, or just weird happening leading up to the final hours.
Ive heard my grandmother talk about this several times throughout the years when i was young and like others, she had her theories. Im 56 now and this video has me wondering again what happened to these people. Great video.
Avalanche is most plausible. Cut out, run for your life. Everything buried so no choice but try surviving the night. Two groups, two different theories on how to survive.
@@thebigpicture2032 I’m interested in hearing what others thought about it at the time, like grandma’s stories. It’s easy to do theories about it now, but I’m looking for what was going through peoples thoughts back then.
The problem of any avalanche theory is that the speed and force would have smashed into the upstanding skis around the tent and broken them. Why were the skis still upstanding? And then the footprints. There were still footprints in the snow, but wouldn't the footprints been covered over by the snow and ice moving at 300kms?
Thanks a lot for this interesting video. Just some comments here. Some... The net picture 2.18: Anybody who know something about snowy conditions, notices immediately that the tent was not like this when they found it. The expedition party had done at least some digging. How much, we don't know. With any wind, the snow won't stay in that kind of sharp formations on the tent - that is impossible. In the pic it looks rather like somebody had stamped on the tent. That fact is very unfortunate - we don't really know what the tent looked like when it was found. Paradoxical undressing makes no sense: they did not remove their clothes in the cold - they left almost all of their warm gear by the tent when they were certainly not hypothermic. So, wearing only underwear was not due to any paradoxical undressing. They had little to undress, really. And those found trying to get back to the tent, had all more than underwear. Slab avalanche is good - its very very nice. But it explains little, or nothing. And, if we believe the tent pic, it never happened: the tent was still standing, 2 weeks later. It is easy to make up half a dozen plausible causes for panic in the tent, but none of them explains the fact they did not return minutes or some dozens of minutes later to, at least, get their life saving gear from the tent and around it. If the tent stayed there with no damage, as it appeared to, any intelligent creature would have gone back there asap to take warm clothes, food, axe and what not. If we assume that the escape from the tent towards the forest really took place, then there seemed to be something by the tent, that appeared to be worse than death. They bruised and cut their skin in order to climb a tree and gain sight towards the tent, but they never deared to approach it - before it was far too late. That is the question, the mystery: why did they abandon the only safe place they knew and chose a near certain death instead? In what kind of situation a sane person leaves the warm tent with no shoes? If there is an avalanche, you surely run - but if you then notice it was a false alarm, you come back and at least take ALL you necessary gear to survive. The tent seemed to be there, standing, did it not? If there is smoke in that safe haven, U get rid of the smoke and go back to sleep. If there is a dangerous animal, you fight, and then go back to sleep. No idiot will leave the tent in a freezing cold blizzard, and these people were no idiots. So, lets not "find answers" if there is none.
Excellent observations. Something compelled them to decide that leaving the tent without taking the time to gather adequate clothing was a better option than to remain at the tent. Not sure when the catastrophic injuries occurred: while in the tent? at the ravine where the bodies were found? If in the tent, then I suspect the karman vortex street most. They had to leave to avoid more injuries, and would return when the wind died down. Some did try to return.
ok, not big on in-video adds, but that transition was pretty darned good. also, really enjoyed the video overall. I hadn't heard about the newer study, so I actually learned something new. 😀
Every time someone talks about Paradoxical Undressing with this case I roll my eyes. You really think that multiple members of an experienced mountain climbing group would get this condition all at once? There wouldn't be at least one member who would be able to talk some sense into them and let them know they had the condition at the time. And that they would get this condition while being inside their warm tent to begin with? Additionally, Lyudmilla Dubinina, the girl with her tongue cut off, was known to be a talker and would let you know when she felt like saying something and no one was going to stop her. Also, when her autopsy was performed she had a significant amount of blood in her stomach which means she swallowed it. Which means SHE WAS ALIVE when it happened completely doing away with the scavenger theory.
This theory doesn't explain why would they escape without clothes, some might say "oh but they were afraid of another avalanche, but every experienced hiker will tell you that it's better to dig out your clothes despite risks, because it still gives you better chances of survival then going of without clothes.
The most frustrating aspect of this mystery is how people obsess over the "missing tongue" as if it's unusual. 🤦♂️ Thanks Joe for not doing that. Good update.
Tongue being missing isn’t unusual, but finding a large quantity of blood in her stomach is. That means it happened while she was still alive, so yeah, very unusual.
@@79Bobola Sasquatch. She was I'm sure screaming in fear and it ripped her tongue out of her. They covered it all up, so people wouldn't be afraid to go in to the Forrest. Look into missing 411 case's.
No the radiation piss me so much more, literally one guy had radioactive clothes and he worked at a nuclear power plant. It's less mysterious than the video even suggests
Nice. Theories tested, and proved plausible. Accidents, and laziness happen no matter the skill of people. Just have a look at how many expert divers, or cavers doing their jobs end up failing. Even doctors screw up. Expertise doesn't eliminate simple failures. Now I just wish someone to go into those forests where people have 'teleported' / disappeared like in the 411 Missing cases, as well as make a return to the Skinwalker Ranch.
What is actually disappointing in a way is that most all "supernatural" or "unexplained" stories almost always end up being very natural and explainable lol. Kills the imagination.
Keeps us grounded. We can't help but spruce every story up with a little bit of pizzazz. But when we're brought back down to reality with new revelations, it's a reassuring feeling.
This one can't be explained by saying avalanche though. There is so much proof not adding up to any theory you can think of, that's why it is such a weird case and is still unexplained
@@MicroClases_Ciencia you know it’s actually not that uncommon for people in accidents where they’re thrown around very suddenly and unexpectedly to bite their tongues partially or completely off. Not saying it’s definitely what happened, but it seems a likely explanation, for that aspect specifically
One rather obvious source of the radiation detected on their clothing was the East Urals radioactive trace, which was a consequence of the Kyshtym disaster of September 1957. The Dyatlov Pass falls within the area affected by this devastating event. This actually fits with the avalanche hypothesis, because the contaminated layer of snow would likely have been buried by subsequent snowfall and then unleashed upon them by the disintegration of multiple years of accumulated precipitation.
Scalar Electromagnetic pulsing TR waves into the ground has a nasty effect of radioactive materials instantly decaying the nucleus of atoms and causing the liquid waste stored underground to detonate. Same with Chernobyl, accidental pulse discharge from a nearby transmitter some 30km away. Soviets had a hay day with them captured Nazi radar scientists and Nikola Tesla's ideas, who was the first to discover Scalar Electromagnetics to begin with. Fascinating stuff really. I believe the Soviets called it "Energetics".
Looks like all the snow melts away during summer, meaning there's probably no "multiple years of accumulated precipitation." Check out the photos of Dyatlov Pass during the summer. The Lantern theory's a better possibility. And the hikers having worked at a nuclear facility, it's not that hard to have carried some radioactive traces on their clothes.
@@nishchalsigdel I’ll concede the possibility of the contamination being present on clothing due to working in those facilities, but the radiation from the thorium of the mantles could easily be identified, and it would be at _very_ low levels. You must be _extremely_ familiar with the climate in those mountains to be so confident that the snow entirely melts away. Is this simply a guess or can you actually prove that significant melting occurs (and actually _did_ occur in those few preceding years)? P.S. The Kyshtym incident dumped enormous quantities of high level radioactive waste over that region, so there’s certainly the possibility that it played a role here by one mechanism or another.
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 The climate of a place can change over these 60 years-note 'climate' and not 'weather'-and unless we have a gauged station over at the Northern Urals reasonably close to the Dyatlov Pass, it then becomes a game of statistics of course by fitting a regression curve to the available data with probably some corrections. So, things come back to the fact that whether or not the site is gauged otherwise it's merely an estimation. And yes, I made a guess through a lot of those pictures from Dyatlov Pass in the summer and I know I might be completely wrong about that! I'm aware of the Kyshtym incident and I second your opinion that it might be a possible cause of those traces. But, is there a way you could possibly prove that the scattered radioactive waste over the Northern Urals spread in a way that the wastes actually accumulated at that very location where the incident happened? And if it were a case of multiple years of accumulated precipitation, why are there no papers on this? Because the multiple years of those accumulations still would continue after the Dyatlov incident (and if not, can you prove if they cease to accumulate after the incident?)-meaning they should have traced more of those radioactive dumps on that very site.
The avalanche theory begs a question. Why would the Soviet government attempt to, or at least seem to attempt to cover up a natural cause like an avalanche?
Not a "horror" story at all, more like an outdoor adventure accident. Joe just related a plausible explanation that will satisfy pretty much everyone except the usual conspiracy theorist hanging around any topic.
LOL .... so an avalanche hit them and killed some of them - but left their camp intact - so they cut their way out of the back and their tents and "calmly" walked away, heading in different directions - AND ... some of them left all their clothes, coats, boots and gear back at camp and froze to death...? Why didn't you just go with "swamp gas" got them.
1. Avalanches can easily bury equipment. Their camp was not intact, but it was located in one spot and could be easily re built. 2. That can be explained a few ways. Most of the group was outside of the tent, doing something nearby. The few stuck in the tent cut out of the tent in order to look for their best friends who were probably dying, just trying to find them. 3. He literally explained that in the video, not going to explain again why they would walk outside naked, its very normal for people experiencing hypothermia and near death.
Their tent was not buried under avelanche, it was easily found by the search party, there is pictures from first responders on google. There were was only small slits cut in the tent to peek through. Gamertard sums it about right.
Joe, have you ever watched any of the documentaries made by Lemmino? If not it might be something you would like. He did an excellent video about the Dyatlav pass that I would say is top teir. Anyways great video as always!
So good! And if I remember correctly he has a completely different theory, concerning the portable heating stove, which may have given them monoxide poisoning.
Maybe I glossed over it, but another mystery was supposed to have been that their footprints were consistent with normal walking, not panicked running. Was that just BS from the initial 1959 report?
Dyatlov Pass and the Somerton Man kinda sorta done. Would be great to get more info on the Isdal Woman and that guy in Ireland (can't remember the moniker given to him).
Mr Bergman. And according to a German podcast they stated his family contacted authorities and has been identified, but they wish to keep him anonymous and the Irish authorities have acknowledged this.
I thought it was pretty much (plausibly) an open and shut case. It was evident from the site that the stove was still active during the time of the accident, meaning it was possible that it either started a small fire or the tent was filled with smoke. You could also add in the Avalanche part if you'd like. Once they cut open the tent to escape, they immediately knew they were in deep danger, in the the dark forest. Add to that that it was possible that they may be drunk at the time, they essentially had very little chance of surviving this. Some tried to get as much clothing as they can to travel back foe help, some stayed and attempted to make a fire, one was trying to get their bearings but fell off and got very grievous injuries. The rest who tried to get help, basically fell and got killed in the process. The radiation was potentially from one of the hickers who worked at a nuclear plant or something at the time.
@@billsmith5166 There has been a claim by the guy that left them early that the stove had a tendency to still have active embers in it after the fire was out. There is also info about the stove causing a fire at least once before the unfortunate incident, but for the life of me I can't remember exactly where it came from. Either a journal entry or the guy again.
@@SwizzleDrizzl Actually I'm on the other guy's side on this one. Unless it was actually warm inside the tent, they wouldn't have needed to remove their clothes. Though, inebriation can be one cause of it.
check the photos of the tent. Tent remained in tact. It doesn't look like it was an avalanche. Also footsteps on a photo. After avalanche ? They were not idiots. They knew what they can except there.
What people keep glossing over and don't want to talk about regarding the story, is that several of the victims were found mutilated missing eyeballs missing tongues (like cattle mutilation cases)... also I think two of the victims were found with incredibly broken and traumatized bodies they didn't just fall into a ravine they fell from like 200 ft in the air... what likely happened is so totally unbelievable to most people that they keep trying to say they solved the mystery. Every year there's a new theory
No, you guys just want to ignore obvious explanations so you can keep your great mystery alive. It's a fact that scavengers go for the eyes and mouth first. There is also no evidence that the hikers with internal injuries couldn't have gotten them from falling into the ravine they were found in. Just because some dimwit on the internet says they must have fallen from 200 feet doesn't make it true.
The missing eyes and one missing tongue was likely due to animal predation/decomposition, they were found in running water several months after the others. Two had crushed ribs and one had a major skull fracture all of which were compared to a car accident. They were also the ones missing soft tissues.
All it would have taken is for them to think it was an avalanche for them to panic, cut themselves out of the tent and make a run for it in whatever clothing they were wearing.
The one thing everyone forgets to mention is the fact that: - everyone knew that there would be 11 hikers to be waited for at their destination - and only the people at the starting hut knew that 1 of them had returned. - there is a 'declassified' military/KGB document, documenting 9 (if I remember correctly) dead bodies dated a day after the group (supposedly) died and at least couple of days before anyone noticed that they were missing (no radio call) and 10 days before searchers reached the area. - the tent, although found, was kept a secret for at least 2 days. And the avalanche theory does not stand on the mere fact that the tent was in its position and the skis stood as they were left by the group (one would expect them to be at least knocked over) - also the footsteps are visible in the photographs, daaaays after they died.. and remember some of them in the ravine were found under a lot a snow (at least 10 feet of snow) - so one would expect heavy snowfall, but there was none for a couple of days (at least 10) and most probably the wind was the culprit. Therefore this case.. is extremely difficult to answer, and I think that people who actually knew the truth are no longer alive to tell it. Maybe in some years we will find a diary of one of these people explaining in detail what happened to them. But to believe the avalanche theory is like believing that the pyramids were for burial purposes, and that the stones for them were carved with copper chisels.. Also on the dyatlovpass (dot) com you will find all the info necessary to make your own conclusions..
The Dayatlov group were hiking/skiing/climbing to receive required certification for climbing in specific places. They were experienced...AND Russian. Aeolian or infrasound? Slab avalanche? Radioactive? Crushing chest trauma? The Mansi? Carved up tent? Boots left behind? I'm not convinced by any of the theories...the mystery remains imho. When the world was considered flat...old maps read, "Beyond this place, there be dragons." Thanks Joe!
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Hi! As a person who's very interested in this case I want to say a few things:
1. Slab avalanche theory is known for years (at least since 2017)
2. Sciencists mentioned by you used avalanche simulation based on physics of snow in the movie Frozen
3. The source of radiation: most of victims were working with radiation at Polytechnic or in nuclear facility Mayak and that's how a tiny amount of it was found on clothes.
it’s crazy that animation techniques have come so far that scientists are using their physics to simulate avalanches.
Really they don't work in lab coats? All of them radiologists?
@@mickeydangerez Something to remember is that around the time of the incident Las Vegas was selling tickets to watch nuclear explosions without protection. Things were a bit loosey goosey back then
@@mickeydangerez Doesn't matter if you wear a lab coat, and not all of the victims displayed increased levels of radiological contamination.
Also, this was 1959, in the Soviet Union. Safety was rarely considered.
Is that so?!
I think it's a little disappointing when a cool mystery has a simple and frankly boring answer, but I think the important thing is that this isn't just lights in the sky or a strange discovery, these were people, that died. There are people related to the incident that deserved closure that probably never got it. So having a likely truth to the incident is a good thing, even if it is "boring"
Better safe than "exciting"... Of course, it won't help the victims in any way.
Always some scientist saying: nothing to see here.. move along..
“Swamp gas refracting”
Scientists are not always trustworthy..
Media is not always trustworthy..
If something nefarious was going on.. would they let that information out?
@@wizzolo Good catch
I think all mysteries have a boring explanation. They're only mysteries until we have an explanation.
I feel like this fact is way too often overlooked:
Not all the victims body’s had the same evidence. The blunt force trauma (equivalent to that of a car crash) was only seen in the bodies in the ravine. The radiation was only found on two of the bodies in the ravine.
@@BusinessWolf1the radiation is because some of them worked in nuclear plants
The blunt force trauma could have been caused by them falling into the ravine as they tried to outrun the avalanche.
Both comments prior to mine have summarized the answers to your concerns perfectly. Not all the uniforms were contaminated, not all of the hikers were swept all the way down into the ravine.
Dyatlov Pass updates? I've never clicked on a video so fast...
For real 👍
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I'm an experienced hiker and the fact that they cut themselves out of the tent, with no clothes on, always suggested to me that it was an avalanche. There's not a lot of scenarios where someone would cut themselves out of a tent, the ones I can think of are avalanche and maybe wildlife in the tent blocking the exit. But that they had no clothes on suggested avalanche while they were asleep. So this is good, closes the book for me at least.
Speaking as someone with no experience on the subject. Is it common to sleep only in your underwear while hiking in winter?
The slope was too gentle to support an avalanche, but I agree it was something natural. I can go with a "slab avalanche" though. It could have been a tornado that spooked them with high winds.
@@JohnWellingtonWells It is if you have a hot tent an you want your clothes to dry. I've done this many times.
@@JohnWellingtonWells I don't think it would be.
I'm still onto Lemino's theory, considering their burnt clothes which seems to be the most overlooked detail
A few years ago, a homeless man in our city was in a parking lot in the middle of the night on a hideously cold night. The security cameras in the parking lot (which weren't monitored overnight, just kept running) caught glimpses of him as he wandered around, paradoxically undressing, before he finally curled up behind a dumpster. It was heartbreaking, knowing that he was hastening his own death.
it happens because once you get so cold your mind goes crazy basically, you get either so cold or so hot, you start frantically taking your clothes off. Happens quite often on Mount Everest
Hypothermia can cause you to feel like your body is burning up therfore you take your clothes off
hyperthermia makes u hot a burning burnjng feeling n u will undress
Poor man. I hope he didn’t suffer, at the end.
@@xyz7572 I was once caught out in the weather here in Buffalo. I left the house at noon in 65F weather, wearing only a sweater. I hadn't checked the forecast (always a mistake in Buffalo!) and didn't know the weather would drop to near freezing (32F) by the evening. I ran several errands by bus, and in the evening, I had to wait for my last bus in 35F temperatures, with a stiff wind pushing the wind chill down considerably. My exposed head and hands got terribly cold, and became very painful. It took about 45 minutes for me to "thaw out" when I got home, and the sensation in my warming hands was excruciatingly painful. I've heard that as you enter the last stages of hypothermia, the pain goes away and you feel warm and peaceful, but the time leading up to freezing to death hurts a lot, based on my personal experience.
I know you like doing all kinds of topics and I love each and every one. BUT these unsolved mystery ones are fantastic.
I do agree.
If you like that type of thing... Check out "why files" mostly mysteries. Great channel
Yes love them
@@SzechuanChickenDog I was going to say this
Yes, they're among my favorites too.
I think people over-estimated the fortitude and resilience of the students as they were experienced hikers, and underestimated just how powerful and brutal Mother Nature can be. No amount of experience can protect you from a massive amount of snow sliding down and engulfing you. It is very sad, but not mysterious.
You must be a really fun person to be around. I'm sure you never make mistakes when typing.
@@xleaselife Dont give it attention, thats what they feed off of
@@a_donut You're right. A lesson to not make a UA-cam comment when I just woke up.
YOU BELIEVE THAT SHIT..SMH. RADIOACTIVITY & A MISSING TONGE!..
MOTHER NATURE HAD NOTHING TO DO. THIS GUY IS STUPID..HER EYES WERE NOT EATIN & HER TONGUE HAD HER PALET MISSING TO.
Regarding the missing tongue :
'Scavenging animals' is a perfectly sufficient explanation here, but as It's quite common for people involved in car accidents (and similar traumatic impacts) to bite parts of their own tongue off during the moment of collision, _(usually just the tip)_
_So it seems possible, quite likely even, that a human body (even a dead one) may potentially bite their own tongue off whilst they're being rolled over and violently thrown about inside an avalanche._
One thing to note is the stomach was found full of blood suggesting that it happend while alive. Also I think it was found fully torn out not "bitten off" but not sure
I bit through my tongue in a car accident.
That's what I was thinking too
animals would eat the easily available body parts. I have read Russian assessments which stated so.
I have seen the autopsy photos. The person whose tongue was missing was well into decomposition and most of the face was gone, not just the tongue. When this story gets retold and the missing tongue is brought up as a mysterious point I just cringe because it's always out of context.
I’ve always wondered, if someone is aware of the phenomenon of paradoxical undressing, would they then try their hardest not to undress, knowing and understanding what their body is going through? Or is the brain so badly affected by that point that they are too disoriented to consider trying to stay dressed to save themselves? If anyone knows or has any relevant contribution, I welcome your responses.
I've always wondered that. Bump to see if you get an answer from someone else.
Maybe. The problem is you can't think straight. If you're really thinking straight, why would you go against logic and take off your cloth in the snow?
The nervous system is so much in shock and they are not in the right mind , exactly as you suggested. Our body needs a very narrow range of temperature to function properly. Beyond that , nothing works as it supposed to, especially the brain.
I've seen hypoxic patients trying very hard to rip off their oxygen mask, very frequently I might add
@@oskrm Yeah, but even if you can't think straight, would someone still be able to keep enough of a thought in their head to say to themselves "Yeah, I might be feeling incredibly hot right now. But it's just a symptom of hypothermia. If I remove my clothes, it'll only make it worse." And get yourself to survive a bit longer.
Between 20-50% of people who die of hypothermia have paradoxical undressing, so we know it doesn't happen in everyone. The question is, do the people who still have their clothes do so because they fought the urge to undress, or because they didn't feel the urge to undress at all?
@@Crowbars2 Somebody should ask them
I used to be a firefighter EMT, and a lot of firefighters who have died while battling fire, were found with their gear off due to paradoxical undressing. The air in their airpack ran out, the smoke gets too heavy, the heat too intense, so on and so forth.
And yet people are confused why the group is almost naked.
I can understand people being killed by intense HEAT trying to take their clothes off, but in a place with intense COLD? That seems a little strange.
@@abnnizzy You know that feeling when you touch something really cold on a really cold day and it starts to feel like your hand is burning? I think it's like that (edit: but way more severe)
@@whyisyoutubeshowinghandles I don't know that feeling. I feel like its really cold.
@@abnnizzy That's why it is called "paradoxical". Firefighters undressing due to heat shouldn't be called like that.
Now I guess the only unanswered question about this is how all the Yeti and aliens seem to be immune to slab avalanches. What do they know that we don't?
Looool
Ask Johan Gaume about it, he is clearly one of the aliens you are talking about, dude looks like he bought his human suit from a lizardman.
Proper footwork. ☝️
THANK YOU for pointing out how dangerous that hike was.
To the rest of the world… thats called Sarcasm, and most people cant stand Sarcastic people
@@franklinkz2451 only about half. I’m amazed at how many people think a hike through the Urals in freaking January was just a no-stress lark. In fact I’ve wondered for years if they were up there for some legitimate reason. It would make more sense. Russian or not, that wouldn’t be a fun hike.
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@@julienotsmith7068 So this is the real conspiracy, why were they out there?
@@petraw9792 More a question. History is full of them.
The gas lanterns they used had mantles made of Thorium dioxide commonly a major component; being radioactive. I use them to test my Rad detectors . And thank you JOE for doing a update.
That's been my theory for the radiation detected on a couple bodies. Perhaps on was carrying the lantern when it broke and another was carrying spare mantles... There wouldn't be enough radiation to harm you but there would be enough to be detected.
I wonder why the radiation issue was ever even considered strange then. This seems like such an obvious cause, and something that should have been initially considered. Were their items not inventoried and tested? It’s weird that the radiation even became part of the conspiracy theory with such an obvious source.
Then all of their clothes wouldve tested the same. Now it was just two guys and only their pants, both worked with radioactive stuff. Im more inclined to say it was carried from there, not the lanterns.
Oooh, I knew there had to be a logical explanation, given how casual everyone was about radioactivity then.
Actually the radioactivity was even worse than that as someone said it colored their skin. If they had that much radiation they had to be exposed to actual radiation containments.
HOLY COW my ex husband and I experienced the karman vortex street sound near Mount Hood in Oregon!! It was at a subsonic level- we could plug our ears and it got louder. It happened ALL NIGHT one night while we were camping. It was absolutely terrifying, we did not sleep AT ALL. In the morning, it was gone. Now we have an explanation!! Thank you!!
They are saying though that the KVS can cause internal injuries without external damage.
If you ever went camping back in the day like I did....you learned about old coleman lantern mantles. They were slightly radioactive and after the first use they were basically radioactive fly ash.
I camped a lot "back in the day". I didn't even really call it camping, I just basically lived outside during the summer (in Minnesota). Just because I went camping, why would I have learned that Coleman lantern mantles are radioactive? If the trees knew anything about it, they weren't talking. I don't think I even used Coleman lanterns anyway. When it got dark, I just let it be dark.
I owned a Coleman lantern, I just didn't bother using it. More stuff to carry. I am a minimalist camper. Usually just a couple of blankets and some snacks. I hate sleeping bags. I can't stand being trapped in the bag, and they're usually too hot.
makes me wonder what is in Thermacell pads
Those things were awesome.
@@theobserver9131 I'm from Minnesota originally too. I don't care what else you had along on your nocturnal perambulations I KNOW one thing you had lots and lots of. Skeeter dope, preferably 100% DEET but the strongest you could get your hands on whatever that might be. Without that pretty much anywhere in rural Minnesota is unlivable after dark. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or not a Minnesotan. It's not a matter of being too tough for the mosquitos, you could literally sustain enough bites to trigger a histamine reaction if you just go out there in the woods in bare hide and resolve. I was born in Freeborn County and spent significant parts of my life in Douglas, Cass, Koochiching, Lake of the Woods and Beltrami Counties. Good to find another Minnesotan. Where are you from?
A follow-up video and a truthful (not misleading) title followed by good content. What an absolute treat!
Idk this was a pretty misleading video to be honestly. He didn’t include any info that didn’t fit his theory and there is actually a lot. For example the animal taking her tongue makes no sense on account she was proven to be alive when she lost it. The to first found bodies (the two yuris) hand their own skin in their mouths. They’re was an undisturbed flag pole behind the camps found in both the camp pictures before the incident and the crime scene photos after and it was in the same exact position. Even a slab avalanche would have moved that. Furthermore the yuris where found by the remnants of a fire. One of those yuris had a burn injury on the leg. They later found that dubina had his pants (burn marks and all) cut up and tied around her shins. This means she outlived him and presumably wasn’t to injured to take his pants, meaning her injuries likely occurred later after the original incident. That being said hers and two other people found had injuries from compelling force, and yet very little externally injuries. If I remember right it was a few scratches in some of them, however this was from a while ago when I directly translated from Russian so I can’t remember who had such injuries. However all that being said the three who died of terrible internal injuries should have had more external signs of injuries from an avalanche. I don’t pretend to know what it is but I also don’t pretend that you could wrap and easy bow on it or that “the most logical solution is the answer” because there is simply no logical solution. It was likely a large series of odd events but this video is no more “truthful” than any other.
Come look to see what Australian life is like an to see What our animals look like. Hope to see you there 🐨🇭🇲
There was a really great article about the Dyatlov Pass Incident written highlighting the same study Joe covered in the New Yorker earlier this year. It’s an excellent read if you’ve got the time.
Also I’d love for Joe to cover the Khamar-Daban pass incident since it’s lesser known and possibly more horrifying.
Holy wow, that one's new to me. Thanks for sharing.
As I came across this video my first thought was "I hope he also covers the Khamar-Daban incident". That one terrifies me to this day. Absolutely horrifying, especially for Valentina. Hopefully he covers the mystery one day.
Thank you! I just searched this and it’ll be my next UA-cam watch!
I always wondered how they found foot prints in the snow nearly a month later. Especially in an area with extreme weather.
I made that exact comment on the previous video and had several commenters reply to explain to me how snow works. LOL I think it was a few folks trying to sound superior, but yeah, I always wondered that, too.
Because there was no avalanche, and the footprints remained frozen in the snow.
@@deborahminter6231 I can see how that would work in some places, but considering the weather there is reported to be high winds and regular snow fall it just doesn't make sense to me. I live in Virginia, and if the snow fall and wind are consistent for more than a day or two, foot prints are gone. Then again, I'm no expert on that area and there is very likely something Im not seeing see or considering.
To be clear, I don't think it's a conspiracy, it just doesn't add up for me.
@@Skitchhiker Totally! It may be no conspiracy at all, it just seems that the theories so far have yet to adequately explain what happened. Maybe some day will finally get answers 🤷♀️
Maybe the avalanche hit them only 3-4 days before they were found. Perhaps they had other issues that put them behind schedule, and that’s why they were there. Not sure if that makes sense but I am also curious about the footprints.
Love this! I watched Caitlin Doughty, aka Ask a Mortician, explain how the movie Frozen helped solve this mystery. It is nice to see that the science backs it up. Both good videos and great mysteries.
Friggin' love that woman to death!!
Her books are well worth a read. I'm evening wearing merch from the Order of the Good Death right now!
A Disney movie?? 😄😄
love that channel. she's so fascinating
@@redneckshaman3099 lmao chill
Guess she couldn’t “let it go” 🥲
The member of the group with the missing tongue had blood in her stomach, a fact that was discovered during her autopsy. The loss of the tongue happened while she was alive. She swallowed that blood, so that wasn't the result of post mortem animal predation.
id like to know what amount of the tongue was severed and the nature of the injury that removed it, because that could give us a better picture of what happened.
Edited to remove misconceptions.
@@witchflowers6942 she was missing more than her tongue. but yeah, i don't believe in natural causes either.
It is possible to bite off your tongue during really bad accidents. You’re jaw is very strong and when you’ve been slammed into by a heavy weight (like a lot of snow) you’re brain can forget to safeguard from accidents like that. I dont know what the injury looked like, but that is a possible explanation.
Not true, the medical report states a black, slimy substance, no mention of blood in her stomach.
It's worth remembering that all of the excised organs are known sinks for specific radionuclides. They were attempting to ascertain their full body burden of exotic radiation. The type yielded from nuclear accidents.
Concerning the radioactivity found on the clothes, I'd like to point out the pretty brutal Kyshtym disaster (3rd worst incident in the world after Chernobyl and Fukushima) which, in 1957 - 2 years prior to the Dyatlov Pass incident, irradiated part of the Ural region unbeknownst to everyone's knowledge, including police authorities (it took years to evacute affected villages). The incident took place near Chelyabinsk-40, a closed and unmarked city now known as Ozyorsk, at the secret nuclear facility of Mayak. Considering the expedition members studied in a city 2 hours north of Ozyorsk and considering, not only the Kyshtym incident, but also the extremely poor handling of nuclear wastes in the overall region, I think it's pretty safe to say the radioactive traces that were found are not a mystery whatsoever, even if we don't figure out the *exact* origin of it, it be from a covered up nuclear disaster or nuclear waste dumped in the envrionment or tools using radioactive elements. Soviet Russia irradiated its own land without a care in the world for decades, so I don't think this particular aspect needs as much attention as some people who may be ignorant of how things were back then (and really, still are today) may think it does.
Exactly. And several of the kids were part of the cleanup operations. As for the excised organs - they are all natural sinks for specific radionuclides. They were attempting to ascertain their full body burden of radioactivity - especially since they lacked young cadavers of people most at risk because of their rate of cell replication. The local cops blew the lid on the radiation testing and the missing organs. But they were completely ignorant of WHY they were testing (carried out by state security). Need to know and they didn't need to know.
That would make it the second worst, not the third, because Fukushima didn't irradiate the surrounding area.
@@bacicinvatteneaca Yeah, that's why they were forced to dig up the topsoil from the entire region and dump it in open air pits using several hundred million garbage bags (all of which will likely have rotted by now). 🤣
One of the hikers had actually worked in a power plant which would explain the radiation
@@pamelabowden3017 All of these kids would have been hot with internal radionuclides. Indeed, everyone within several hundred square miles would likely have been exposed because of the Mayak incident. You can make a case that Mayak was the beginning of the nuclear medicine program in the Soviet Union (the same physicians would use what they learned in the Chernobyl catastrophe). Prior to this accident there had only been relatively small leaks of nuclear material and as the entire program was super secret nobody knew anything about them.
The scale of the Mayak incident meant they couldn't just throw a blanket of security over the thing and cover up the casualties. And so the Soviet nuclear medicine program was kicked into gear. One of the problems they faced was a supply of young cadavers. They needed them to accurately determine what's known as "Full Body Burden" - the amount, intensity, type, spread patterns and specific locations of radionuclides throughout the body. Certain radionuclides bind to certain organs. Caesium to bones. Plutonium to the reproductive organs etc. Which explains the organ excision. The only reason there's a mystery about this is because the local cops were kept in the dark whilst the nuclear techs went about their grisly business.
Two of the group worked for a lab that worked with radiation and even found it on their clothes at home.
Both hadn’t worked at said labs in over a year, two for one of them.
@@gaarabucket small particles can be radioactive for years
@@nihlify that’s fair. I do however believe that the radioactivity of small particles would hardly be noticeable. Especially since we literally all have small particles of radioactivity. Technically we experience radioactivity daily, so it would have had to be a noticeable amount.
@@nihlify we are exposed to approximately 0.1 to 0.2 microsieverts of background radioactivity an hour, so to be noticeable it would need to be more and yet have to be below 4 sieverts which would kill you
the fucking lanterns had radioactive material in them...that's been a well-known and documented(solved) part of this story for a long ass fucking time...that wasn't even a real part of the mystery...just shit ppl been saying to keep up the hype about the wierdness. honestly....immediately people thought it was an avalanche, they just couldn't prove it because information on the particular type of avalanche wasn't well known/documented until somewhat recently... this was never really THAT big of a mystery...just one that hadn't been 'fully proven' yet. but very few people.
Paradoxical Undressing doesn't account for why they fled the tent naked. And the tent wasn't "covered with snow", it had very little snow on it and was easily visible to searchers
Yep... and if paradoxical undressing is about thinking you're too hot in freezing conditions and take off your clothes then WHY did they light a fire???...
They didn't flee naked.
@AmusedChild several did because their wasn't enough clothing found among them to cover all and several were wearing clothes of the others
When they heard/felt the avalanche, they rushed out of the tent as quickly as possible in the clothes they had on in preparation for going to sleep that night. When they got far enough away to feel safe they either started a fire to stay warm or tried to make their way back to the tent and died along the way. The ones who were more undressed than they would be for sleep were the ones who were already hypothermic and began paradoxically undressing.
I was thinking avalanche as soon as you mentioned "car-crash" injuries - it fits all the facts - you are curled up in your undies in a sleeping bag fast asleep when several tons of snow crushes your tent. In the ensuing darkness and panic, someone finds a knife and you somehow cut your way out from the inside of your tent, drag your friends out onto the slope and make for the shelter of the trees - because you are in your undies, your clothes are all buried, it's dark and the wind chill factor is going to kill you quite quickly. Some of you make it, some of you don't - plan is to go back at first light and dig out some clothes and provisions - but the survivors all freeze to death before morning. Perhaps they climbed the tree looking for a safe place to wait out til morning - are there bears/wolves around the pass ? Perhaps it was warmer out of the snow and in the shelter of the branches. Without knowing more about the missing tongue, we could even speculate that it wasn't the whole tongue missing but just the front - which you could easily bite off yourself if a couple of tons of snow hit you in the back of the head whilst your were asleep with it hanging out - ouch ! Perhaps some of them tried to gather wood and light a fire whilst others sought shelter in the crevasse...
Yup bit tongue off
I don't like the "undressing for bed" idea. This was Russia in winter, in the wilderness. They didn't have efficient insulation like "polar fleece", no efficient heating source, and probably didn't plan on bathing in a river or anything. I'd be surprised if they didn't plan to go to sleep in their clothing. I'm not sure of altitude, but it gets really cold at night in the mountains. It only makes sense with hypothermia. If stripping for bed made sense, it wouldn't have been a point of debate and discussion all these years.
@@squirlmy ok - let’s go with hypothermia then 😀
@@SoulDelSol my thoughts exactly.
The whole thing about the missing tongue was most probably because of scavenger animals. I've seen pictures of the bodies and she was also missing both of their eyes. Mostly due to scavenger or birds.
I made a documentary on the Dyatlov incident last year and this is pretty much where I sit on it now too. I think it's one of those cases where every little detail has been analysed to such a degree that it's very easy to poke holes in the obvious theories while simultaneously taking massive leaps in logic to make something more exciting fit. It's such an intriguing mystery that I feel many people would rather it stays just that, even if they wouldn't admit it, which I do sympathize with to some extent.
Did you come across what the explanation was for the footprints still being visible but the signs of the avalanche weren’t? I would just assume if there was enough time and snowfall to cover the avalanche there would also be enough time for the footsteps to be covered? Also I’m only assuming the footprints were even still visible bc it was said in the video, and I don’t have other knowledge of the subject to verify independently.
@@Messi10magic25 Wind blows away loose and powdery snow, but footprints are more compacted and therefore more resistant to the wind. It's very common when hiking on popular trails in the winter to see old boot prints from previous hikers sticking up from the ground at windy spots. Seen it many times myself.
@@smaakjeks Ah that makes sense. Thank you!
@@Messi10magic25 No problem!
@@smaakjeks yeah but not after an avalanche. Even the smallest of avalanches would wipe out footprints.
I don’t buy the avalanche theory simply because no avalanche took place there. The tent was still mostly up.
I believe it was a fire in the tent, which caused smoke and forced them to leave quickly. Actually, as an experienced mountain climber, there is basically nothing about the Dyatlov Pass incident that seems unusual to me. Every hiking disaster has some variation of these things - blunt force trauma from a fall, hypothermia, seemingly conflicting decision making. What do you think a “normal” hiking disaster is supposed to look like?
My only concern with this theory is why then the Hikers, for some reason, thought it was a good idea to abandon the tent when there was so little snow actually on top of the tent. They could've easily worked together to just stand up and hold the tent over a couple to dress up, push the snow off the tent, then either dig somewhere after retrieving their warming gear to hold out for the night, or just move the tent.
Additionally if they were concerned about the slope or the wind, why they stayed away from the woods, again, made no sense.
Pleas of exhaustion and hysteria when it's a pure suicide mission to leave all of your warming layers in such frigid climate even when half asleep makes such little sense it would be more believable the hikers went there to die on purpose. I would know because even as a Boy Scout and sleeping outside in upwards of -20 degree weather, I slept in my warming layers inside my sleeping bag and was still cold, to the point I would put my boots back on because multiple sock layers didn't stop the wind cutting through. That was with modern tents with wind-breaker shields and an entire bottom layer of hay, and with a buddy in the tent for additional heat. Why they're not dressed but somehow survived this cold weather for so long again, makes absolutely no sense.
Just because something on the surface looks plausible doesn't automatically write it off as true. Because common sense determined they should have under pressure done just fine. Why it magically disappeared overnight will never truly make sense.
Hearing/feeling an avalanche could have been e3nough to throw them into a panic. Why would you wait in your tent to see if the avalanche will be large enough to bury you?
I think another plausible scenario is the bomb testing they were doing in the area. That could have been enough to scare them into running away from it if they thought the bombs were landing nearby their tent.
I really love how you'll go back and cover topics more in depth or share new findings. It can't be easy to stay on top of it all but it is greatly appreciated
There was nothing here that was "more in dept" than any other video made on it in the last near decade. There where no new findings. Everything he stated has been known for years. Idk if this guy knew his fan base didn't know about this incident, or he just thought we where all idiots. But he's years and years late
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Oh it's real easy when you have a team writing scripts.
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OKAY SO THE AVALANCHE UNDRESSED THEM AND BROKE THEIR BONES AND SPRAYED THEM ALL WITH RADIATION COOL 😎 CASE CLOSED
@@kavalogue he's probably catering to the masses of his viewers, 12 year olds who shouldn't even have phones let alone unhindered internet access, of course they aren't old enough to know/remember the facts of such an incident, so probably thought nobody would call it out.
I rarely click a video that quickly. This mystery lives rent free in my head and I think of it every time I hear anything remotely similar.
I have just watched a documentary called "an unknown compelling force" about this. Its definitely worth a watch . It shows the post mortem photos and reports, the hikers personal diaries and photographs.
Yes THIS. I thought they did a good job laying out all the possible theories, ruling things out etc. What was the most interesting, is they proved the tent was open from the outside, something that everyone is misinformed about. Really is a game changer tbh.
I am impressed how well this case was investigated back in the day. It's often frustrating to look at such old incidents, accidents and cases due to no one caring enough to test X or evidence Y got lost later, but here it feels like someone really wanted to know what was going on - I mean testing hikers for radiation doesn't sound too common to me.
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If the Russian authorities investigated this so thoroughly... I wonder if it was just an avalanche that killed them. The Soviet Union wasn't known for caring this deeply about dead folks.
If you take into consideration the political environment of the time and the nature of some nearby highly secret facilities (involved with a major accident a few years earlier), then testing for radiation makes perfect sense.
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I listened to a similar story of mountain hikers mysteriously dying and it was especially horrifying because one girl survived to tell the tale. Somehow everyone got pulmonary edema at the same time and died violently and quickly. I'm no doctor or physicist so I don't know what conditions caused that or if they were present here but it's a horrible way to go and you'd definitely cut your way out of a tent if it happened to you or everyone around you.
Do you have a link or some way to find out more about it?
@@rfichokeofdestiny Look up the Khamar Daban incident here on YT.
@@CJM-rg5rt Thanks!
So in this case the survivor didn't know what the cause of the pulmonary edema was? It just randomly happened to everyone at once?
@@Brett_Nebraska Weird.
I have been watching every documentary regarding this case that I come across. Been fascinated by this mystery since I was in my 30's, and I am now 62. There is something interesting that I never hear anyone address when discussing what could have happened. That is, there is an entry in the diary of one of the hikers which reads "At least we now know that the snowman is real" And there is a photo recovered from one of their cameras that shows a mysterious figure standing in an odd pose beside a tree. My question is - could there have been someone stalking them ? Someone they referred to as "the snowman" for whatever reason? And, if not, who was in the photo who looked large & dressed all in black so that you can't identify them in the photo? And who could the diary text have been referring to? Could "his" presence there have been connected to the strange lights in the sky?
I don't really buy the whole avalanche theory, and because of the unanswered questions about the diary entry & the photo of the dark figure, I think there is more to the story. Besides, I do NOT trust the government. Why did they keep all of this in the dark for so many years. They were hiding something. I just don't know what, & we probably never will.
I can't remember where I saw it but I watched a documentary that claims they were in fact murdered by a hostile hunting party. They weren't Mansi but some other group, a group even the Mansi feared. It had forensic experts, former F.B.I. agents who had studied the case, ( as a hobby, not in any official capacity) and several Russian experts. It was very interesting and I thought they presented some strong evidence. They even had an expert show that the tent had been cut into not out of. I'm not sure how they died. Avalanche seems most likely but doesn't answer everything. We'll never know 100%. If my old brain ever gets to firing correctly and I remember the name of the show, I'll post it. I just find it nice to see someone who's as interested in this as I am.
if you have read every case you know the anwser my friend: their internal stove got fucked and they had to flee their tent in a hurry. This explains the burn markes, cutting from the inside, lack of clothing and EVERY other aspect of the case. The internet blew this one up... sorry to be the messenger.
@@RamboTim This was a big mystery way before the internet. I knew about it in the 1970s & 80s. I don't think the stove theory explains everything, but it may be a factor for sure.
I have also been interested in this tragedy for many years, and consider that the diary entry and photo evidence shouldn’t be dismissed. Those two things were left out of this video. One more thing not mentioned - on the opposite side of the tent from the large cut outs, there were a few holes notched out. The theory for these is they could have been look-out holes for watching…(something). If I’m not mistaken, the Mansi knew about large creatures they called the Menk. Also, one pathologist stated that the crushed torsos were indicative of tremendous “squeezing.”
There's a couple really good videos out there. One produced by Lemmino goes into quite a lot of depth, and a lot of their stuff has quite good production quality behind it
My father was a platoon commander in 'Nam. I still have the compass he was issued in training, and the warning on the casing says it contained 75 mcg of Tritium. The half-life of Tritium is 12.3 years and it's at least sixty years old, so I guess it's no longer a radiation hazard.
Half life means it's expended half of its radioactivity in that time. It's still half again as radioactive as it ever was after that though. It's kind of like the question how long does it take a bear to get out of his cave if he walks halfway out every day? The answer is he never makes it out. It's a half, then a half of that half, etc.
So it's official that the picture of the man or bigfoot lurking behind a tree is real. My question is why didn't that picture alarm the crew. Whoever took the picture should have been worried cause up in the cold mountain. A encounter with a man that's acting suspicious lurking behind a tree isn't normal. Why would they keep pushing forward when they know a strange man or bigfoot is close behind them or the possibility that it left after being seen by the photographer. I've seen this case tons of time on UA-cam and they never focus around the man or bigfoot following them. They just talk about the crime scene and each person's death but I believe it was either the stalker or the environmental where they chose to stop and camp. That spot could have been radioactive and to be on a high level of radiation could be painful and drive them insane. Than the stalker arrives punching one in the chest, ripping out a tongue for a meal later. That's my explanation on the case.
Tritium isnt supposed to be hazardous as long as its contained. You definitely don't want to break the vials though and breathe it.
@@tippyc2 actually you do, it is good for you
@@1pcfred So its more than 4 halflives, so there is less than 1/16 of the initial activity left. That should be pretty safe, at least a lot safer than it used to be.
I dont know why but everytime i get the flu or being sick i binge a lot of your videos. I watch you regularly but when im staying home and in bed i binge a whole bunch more haha
No you dont lol
That's because only a sick person can binge watch him. He's too boring, too conservative, and doesn't stimulate imagination. The only benefit of watching him is that sometimes he talks about some odd cases which not many people heard about.
@@damyr hating just to hate lmao
@@peterwellnitz4220 Hating? No. Just noticing. I'm subscribed, but I barely watch his videos. Tho, once in a blue moon he does make a good one.
@@damyr you obviously are just looking for stimulating, meaningless material like tiktok or yt shorts, you don't have the brain capacity to be able to find enjoyment in just facts alone. Let me guess, you're looking for flashy editing, funny cuts, speculation of extraterrestrial and sci-fi stuff, ANYTHING as long as you don't have to use your hippocampus, you amygdala activation-craving Neanderthal. You have the right to an opinion, but your opinion is utter garbage, like your intellectual abilities based on that comment, dAmYr. You even liked your own comment, how pathetic
I really liked Lemmino’s theory where essentially, one of the guys on the expedition had a homemade stove and chimney in the tent and it malfunctioned and filled the tent with smoke, thus dazing and confusing everybody and caused a panic, leading them to flee and die of exposure
Same, loved the Lemmino theory!
Apparently they had not unpacked the stove on the last fateful night in question, plus it wouldn’t explain why they walked away some barefooted and mostly underdressed over a kilometre from their only shelter, I believe they were terrified buy something I know I would have to be really scared to walk away from my tent at night without fetching my boots, clothes and keys to my motorcycle😂
Yes, this kind of avalanche was treated about a year ago in the Ask a Mortician channel, where the situation of the undressed people was addressed too. The snow animations of the movie Frozen had to do with the solution.
How does it cause dead bodies to become radio active?
@@mickeydangerez The bodies weren't "radioactive," like in a glowing, drop dead around them fashion. They just had a tad more radioactivity than normal; if you research the subject, you'll find out that bananas and Brazil nuts and many regular things are also "radioactive." This video proposes the idea of some painting they used in their apparel contained radium; using radium in daily use objects was common at the time (hence the reference to the Radium Girls video, it's not a song, but a horrific case of criminally bad working conditions mixed with ignorance about what high radioactivity does); other comments here mention the hikers worked in studies about radioactive materials.
And that's all about it. It's not aliens not some dark conspiracy. Buy a Geiger Counter and be amazed at how much radioactivity is there around you.
I found it interesting that a slab avalanche is treated like it’s a new discovery. On a much, much smaller scale everyone knows about them. Think about metal roofs, there are snow guards installed sporadically along the edges of the roof to keep the snow/ice from sliding off the roof as one big sheet which is much more dangerous that having small chunks of snow/ice slide off.
It was just surprising that the video approached this phenomenon as if researchers have never dealt with it or noticed that this happens sometimes.
@@kelliesaunders4905 I think it's because that kind of avalanche had not been considered as the possible cause of those hikers' death until recently. The case is very unusual, in a terrain flat enough as to make slab avalanches not an obvious occurrence, and no survivors to tell what happened. And, when rescuers arrived, no traces of the avalanche left. The type of avalanche is well known, but it took some time to signal it as the likely culprit in this case.
@@MariaMartinez-researcher right on then. That’s an explanation I can go with. It did take me by surprise coming across as an event rarely heard of.
I'd definitely recommend checking out LEMMiNO's video on the case if you're interested in learning more about it, it does a good job at proposing and supporting another possible theory. Great video as always Joe!
I was going to comment this. Lemmino's interpretation is definitely my favorite. I honestly think the avalanche theory is reaching as it needs so much technical justification. The simpler option is that their gas stove in the tent wasn't venting properly, or otherwise malfunctioned, and they cut the tent in a panic.
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@@theungulate Other videos have stated that the gas stove was not assembled so could not have been the cause.Bedtime stories did several videos on this and the last one presents a theory which is the one I find most plausible, basically the weather was calm when they set up the tent but during the night heavy winds (Katabatic winds) threatened to blow the tent down the slope with them in it. They then cut the tent open to escape before fleeing for the shelter of the trees and ultimately perishing.
@@temerityxd8602 and with the injuries that some of them had, wich would kill you in about minutes, they just walked some hundred meters ignoring they had to be dead already...
Sounds legit.
@@HagenMunsch They were uninjured when they left the tent. Once arriving at the treeline three of them including Dyatlov attempted to return to the tent but succumbed to hypothermia before reaching it, some of those remaining were able to start a small fire before two of them died with one of them potentially falling into or very near the fire causing the burns found on his body. The surviving four members went further into the forest looking for shelter, they found a crevice/small ravine and built a snow cave at the bottom. The snow cave then collapsed on top of them, causing the heavy injury's found. The bodies were then further damaged by animal predation and exposure to the elements.
As for the tents being cut instead of zipped… isn’t it possible it was just so dark they couldn’t see the zipper? If the tent was in an avalanche, maybe it was tossed upside down and they figured it would just take less time (panicked and injured) to cut the way out? Idk makes sense to me
If there were katakan winds, the tent may have been literally crushed with the force and with the group trapped inside, suffocating. There only escape would have been to cut themselves out.
@@pamelabowden3017 Good point. I have long favored the winds as the most likely cause.
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There are a number of problems with this theory.
Firstly, part of digging down into the snow where you pitch your tent, is testing the snow to see if it's prone to avalanche. They would have been well aware of slab avalanches, know what conditions in the snow cause it, and would have been testing for it. They wouldn't have JUST been looking for a flat area.
Secondly, you can see from the scene that there was no evidence of avalanche. An avalanche is actually the most obvious theory, and the reason this is a mystery in the first place is that there is no evidence of it. A slab avalanche requires old, compacted hard snow to make the slab. This will not just melt away or blow away in the wind.
Thirdly, the tent showed signs that before they cut their way out, they cut slits for viewing.
Lastly, paradoxical undressing isn't fairly common, it's fairly rare. We just have lots of examples of it because an awful lot of people die of hypothermia. If one of them exhibited paradoxical undressing, it would be an anomaly. But for most of them to exhibit it stretches credulity.
The real problem for me is even if, EVEN IF they suffered an avalanche why on earth would it force you away from your camp ground? I have a truly hard time believing that in the event of an avalanche the panic is so extreme these experienced hikers decided to abandon their injured comrades and run NAKED into the pitch black wilderness
So Ive never been more terrified of vague descriptions than I am with the term “compelling force “
The only mystery is how some of them are found crashed in the ravine, two are frozen naked and the rest of them freeze to death in attempt to climb back to the camp. There is a theory for heavy snow which started to crash the tent, so they cut from inside to escape and may be then the avalanche hit them ... who knows it had to be a hell of a crazy messy situation.
The radioactivity did come from their equipment, specifically the lanterns they had. Gas mantle camping lanterns like those made by Coleman had thorium based gas mantles, which are radioactive. You gestured vaguely at the concept of radioactive gear, and I just wanted to offer more detail as to what that radioactive gear probably was.
I had heard on one Dyatlov Pass "explanation" video that the radioactive clothes belonged to two of the men in the group that worked in a factory or some sort of facility where they would have made contact with radioactive material. So that explains that.
They were at the site of the Kyshtym disaster which was the third worst nuclear disaster and actually released more radiation than Chernobyl (Chernobyl is considered worse than Kyshtym because more people were affected by where the radiation ended up) and at the time they didn't understand the effects of radiation quite as well so they didn't decontaminate their clothing.
My favorite theory is the stove smoking them out of their tent. Explains why they would have resorted to cutting their way out, and why they would not have immediately returned, and their state of undress. And the fact that many of them may have been more or less drunk at the time was basically a death sentence in the freezing cold.
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I thought they never lit the stoves?
@@MrFerrari458gto Check out Lemino's video from a few years ago
This is just ridiculous. These weren't bored kids out for a weekend in a park 2 miles from home. Why the hell would they trash their shelter in the middle of nowhere in freezing temperatures because of a little smoke? Likewise, anyone experienced with ANY kind of winter conditions knows that alcohol is NOT your friend. I find it hard to believe that an experienced group of winter hikers settled down for the night & got shitfaced. And to top off the alcohol point, I'm sure that if that were the case it would have been one of the first facts released w/ any autopsy report.
@@TheFreeBassIt's patch black, you just woken up startled, coughing unable having trouble breathing, eyes stinging, nose burning, barely able to scramble yourself upright amongst everyone else around you.
Trying to get out of the front end of the tent to fresh air but failing either by not knowing which direction it is (this would be a very confusing moment) or simply not being able to reach it with everyone else in the way; etc. The smoke is insufferable, and no one can breathe, so after managing to find your knife you cut open the tent and everyone scrambles out to breathe some fresh air.
This is where the trouble starts.
I can't guarentee this is anything close to what actually happened but it would make sense either way.
Lemino's video makes a very good case for the burner stove hypothesis
(also; it is confirmed by the autopsy reports that some of them were intoxicated)
I always assumed the radiation was from their lamps. The socks you put on propane camping lamps have thorium on them. At least they used to. As we know thorium is radioactive. In fact it was the original girl for reactors until the uranium rush during WWII and after. And of course it's being looked into again currently.
The behaviour of the hikers became irrational. think about it:
1) they build a small deposit of provisions and they leave behind a pair of skis (there were no spare skis) that means that one of them walked one Km from the deposit to the tent. why? and the next morning that person had to walk back to the deposit to retrieve his skis? it makes no sense.
2) a ski stick was found cut in the tent. why? why would they do that. ?
3) suddenly they start cutting the canvas of the tent with knives. that canvas is NOT easy to cut, and they needed several attempts to finnaly cut it. there were many cuts along the tent, as if all of them started to cut their way out, ignoring the two exits on each side of the tent. why??? this makes no sense at all
4) they leave the tent, and they walk out without boots into the snow. without gloves, without shoes, without coats..... why?
5) they gather in a group and they walk downhill with 9 sets of footprints walking as if they were in a trance. why?
6) Only 2 of them had boots, the other 7 were barefoot or wearing socks (one had only one boot ). isn't that irrational?
7) NONE were wearing gloves. One of them had a pair of gloves in a pocket of his coat, but he did not use them. WHY ?????
Everything started to go wrong in the STORAGE HOUSE. Suddenly they leave behind a pair of skis (remember they had no extra skis), and they make a wrong turn towards the Kholat Syakhl, 1500 meters away, instead of going to the mountain pass, which is the logical route. They took that wrong turn, eight of them in skis, and one of them walking. How is that possible? Why they didn't say: hey what are you doing? go pick your skis. Whatever happened, started in the Storage House, after that, it looks like they were in some kind of a trance, making strange uncomprehensible decisions
My opinion is that they were under the influence of a hallucinating drug.They were university students, and had contact with other chemistry students. Maybe they took LSD and Meth. That is the only thing that can explain their irrational behavior. The official soviet autopsies reveal no drugs in the bodies. But I can imagine the soviet government censoring that fact. It was 1957. They could not reveal that 9 young soviet students were dead because of drugs. Drug use among young people was a characteristic of capitalist countries
Hi Joe. Regarding the radioactivity; a far more likely scenario is thorium gas lantern mantles. These become quite brittle and make a fine dust. Even though they are not very radioactive, the dust will still be easily detectable above background levels. Obviously an avelache would easily break the lantern's glass casing.
Thank you
In Soviet Russia lantern lights you!
2 of the hikers worked at nuclear power industry so could just be risdual from taking their cloths to work.
It was from their jobs.
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Yes, some of them paradoxically undressed in the tent and then they all went for a nice walk outside and stayed there until they died.
Staying outside naked is much better than digging out your clothes from your mostly intact tent, right?
Of course, that is what I do all the time when hiking in the cold.
I learn so much stuff from you, much of it I never knew how much I needed to know it till you bring it up.
How many times have I seen Hello Fresh sponsored segments on other creators channels? Alot! This is only the second one that I have watched all the way through, just because I like Joe's delivery! Ryan George is the only other creator that I Don't skip most sponsored segments!!
Same here! Good transition, and it was funny :)
There are several seriously big missing links in this avalanche theory that make it very improbable. Obviously Joe Scott isn't much of an outdoorsman or experienced in avalanches. Going by the description of evidence given in this case, the following should be considered... 1) An avalanche isn't going to cut (from the inside) people out of their tent and haul those individuals down the hill leaving their tent where they pitched it on the hillside. 2) This wasn't a case of paradoxical undressing due to hypothermia as their clothes weren't scattered around but had been left in their tent along with their shoes. 3) Evidence of their tracks were found at the site. A slab avalanche would have wiped out track imprints that had been left in the snow. 4) A person in good enough condition to shimmy up a tree in their underwear certainly would have been in good enough condition to hike back up to their tent to get their clothes and some gear. 5) Slab avalanches leave a debris field. Of slabs if nothing else. These debris fields are often the last remnants left when the snow thaws. They just don't disappear in a few days or weeks. I could list more inconsistencies but I think you get my drift.... 30+ years of being in SAR tells me the claim of an avalanche as the culprit in this event is like trying to shove a square peg in a round hole.
It's always amazing in "modern times" how these mysteries still happen...
I'm an avid follower of the Daytlov Pass mystery. Thank you for the follow up with such detail. However, I'd like to add that there is evidence that is not presented as often that I didn't hear you address,. A camera was found at the tent site and when developed two pictures stood out. One was of bright circlular lights low to the ground and the other shows a figure standing near the tree line siome distance away. No one has been able to explain these photos. I think these are important evidence to include when talking about this mystery.
Like I've been telling in here they in countered a Sasquatch. And they are Big real and outclass us human beings.
Maybe the white things are snow that are our of focus
How would a figure standing near a tree line be inexplicable? Just a badly-exposed photo of one of the team right?
No one has been able to explain how they were able to take a picture of a human being in a forest. It cannot be explained. It is much more likely that it is an alien.
One of the member's diaries even has a comedic message like "Now we know who the real Snowman is", as if joking about one of the friends photobombing and looking like a snownan
So a few things:
1. Of the two members with radioactive clothing, one worked with radioactive materials at the polytechnic school, and the other worked at a nuclear plant. The levels of radiation match this kind of exposure.
2. Another theory has been put forward for the cut tent and minimal clothing: their stove. To use a stove in a tent, you need a chimney. For the stove they had, if the chimney was set up improperly it could have funneled wind into the stove rather than smoke out, spraying hot ash and dust into the tent, causing darkness, disorientation, and panic. This would likely have lead to cutting open the tent in order to find a way out of the hot choking ash. Due to the suddenness of the incident, there would have been no time to get properly dressed. Paradoxical undressing could also have set in at this point, exacerbated by the already lacking clothing.
3. The missing tongue (and other facial bits, iirc) was also consistent with the body starting to decompose in water, as matches the bottom of the ravine.
4. The impact injuries could also have plausibly happened due to falling in said ravine.
Oddly enough... it was a Disney movie that helped with figuring out the slab avalanche theory. A computer simulation program that created some of the sliding snow animations in the movie Frozen was so realistic it was used to recreate the conditions on the night of the incident. And those simulations concluded that it was entirely feasible (and probable) that a slab avalanche was the smoking gun. Occam's Razor... lol
If you learn the names of the hikers ,their experience and the individual injuries it becomes more compelling that something other than an avalanche happened for instance one the hikers had marks on his hands that are common in fist fights another may have bitten his hand to stiffle a cry
There’s also a very recent docu, where the guy was able to view the original tent, and along with several other people, came to the conclusion that it was actually torn from the outside. That’s a game changer right there.
@@79Bobola no kidding that would chance the entire context of the incident, in my mind the most likely thing is weapons testing there was a lot this video didn't mention like the "unknown compelling force " comment etc.
@@79Bobola interviewed one of the people who found the tent and he said that he and his friend cut the tent to see what inside
Experts were doubtful that an avalanche could occur in that area, it wouldn't surprise me if the group underestimated the avalanche risk and got caught out. Marks around the knuckles are not uncommon when hiking outdoors (in winter)
Maybe they hard marks on their hand because they were trying to do a satantic ritual! Or maybe getting scuffed up is just a thing that happens in the wilderness. It's kinda pointless to speculate about something so trivial
If they got buried in an avalanche and then cut their way out of the tent, why did they run off into the woods in their underwear and separate after it was over? Things still do not make sense to me
This is fascinating! I'm glad to hear the avalanche theory is gaining ground.
It's just a theory. Always remember that. No matter how much you want it to be true, doesn't make it so.
@@laughablelarry9243 Which also applies to those wanting it to be some weird phenomenon or alien event. Sometimes, the simple answer is the answer.
(Occam's razor, basically the best explanation of any phenomenon is the one that makes the fewest assumptions.)
@@VosperCDN it doesn’t have to be aliens or Bigfoot for it NOT to be caused by an avalanche?!? Not sure why people think that if you disagree with the avalanche theory, you must be some conspiracist, it’s asinine.
That mystery has always fascinated me. The avalanche hypothesis always seemed to me one of the most implausible -- and I don't see any change coming from this 'new evidence'. For instance, 1) Why would you cut through the canvas from the inside, or, even more baffling, poke several holes through it? I mean, how much easier would that be than simply using the proper opening? If you're buried in snow, but sufficiently all right in order to be able to grab your tools and so on, wouldn't at least one of those very experienced hikers say something like "hold on, I'm close to the door, lets unzip it or whatever and work our way out through here? 2) The tent, however, didn't look a bit like anything that had been buried in snow if the pictures from the rescue team are accurate. I'm not just talking about the fact it was not found under any crushing snow (which could have melted, ok) but the poles were all in place etc. If the so-called 'avalanche' left the tent in that almost pristine state, minus the cuts from the inside, then I guess even my fridge could have done a scarier job. 3) Why-oh-why would, again, VERY EXPERIENCED HIKERS or just anyone, really, with a pair of working neurons, come up with the brilliant idea of walking away from the tent into the freezing darkness -- into oblivion -- without even taking the time to 'fish' up their boots and heavy jackets instead of just working to free the tent from the supposed snow that had buried it? "Hey, lads, let's dress up everyone and dig this free; come on, we are many, it will take just five minutes". "Nah... Let's just walk very slowly in socks and T-shirts that way over there. Can't see where I'm pointing at? No problem, let's just spread and go stargazing anywhere in this rich -50° weather"... To mention just a few incongruous points.
Head injury explains all the irrational behavior unfortunately well. The real mystery is where the head injury came from.
Found the person who doesn't understand paradoxical undressing.
You're expecting people who are burning alive and on fire, to very slowly do things.
I've watched every documentary I cud possible find on this case bc it's so fascinating ...NOTHING that I've read so far explains everything that happened to them...
I love that you follow up on your old videos when new information is found. This was fascinating! Thank you for the wonderful variety of topics and the entertaining way you share the information. Love your videos!!
this one is pretty late though...to be fair. I read the article talking about this being solved like...over a year ago, when I first came across joe's video on it and wanted to see if there was any update, and there was. =P
No new information found tho. So what the hell are you and everyone else talking about. This guy really knows his fan base. Knew ye knew nothing about this incident and took full advantage. Large parts of the internet have been following this extremely close for decades.
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Loved the video, Joe! Your promo section of the video was super funny! Keep up the great work man!
A note about the radioactive clothes: Certain gas lamps have radioactive torium dioxide in the gas mantle, some of that could have gotten on their clothes if the lamp broke in the avalanche.
Two points and a question:
- I think the reason they used the knife to open the tent could be if the zipper was frozen that night and wouldn't open, and were in panic
- I've read somewhere that the radioactivity was do to some of the hikers working with radioactive materials
- If the reason was avalanche alone, it sure didn't hit them. I mean, if it did, wouldn't they be covered in snow? What about the footprints? There must've been more to this, I'm pretty sure they would have returned to the tent and patched the cut after the avalanche was over
There is also thorium in old Coleman lanterns! it's in the little glove sock things that burn in the lantern! the slab probably broke the lantern and pushed the thorium out. Now it's not just Coleman specific, but many old lanterns. when I worked at a local nuke plant that was one of the first thing they put a geiger counter, and showed me first hand (as an example of things being radioactive that you wouldn't think, or guess)
many of the people were actually covered in snow, both a few weeks after the incident, and a few months after it. Keeping in mind that calculated day of when they camped there was 1st of February, and the first body was found around 26 of February, so amount of snow there is probably not a clear cut "100% caused by avalanche" case either.
the footsteps were found only part of the way to the first set of bodies, the rest 'got covered in deeper snow' - so it seems probable that that specific patch of snow wasn't touched by the avalanche.
> I'm pretty sure they would have returned to the tent ... after the avalanche was over
even without the avalanche hitting any of them:
Some clothes were left in the camp itself, and footsteps indicated that some people were in socks or barefoot, and where clothes were still on people, some of those had signs of previously being taken from other campers post mortem. If they were awoken by avalanche sounds during the night, it would make sense that they were not wearing appropriate clothing while they were trying to get to safety away from the camp. If it was still dark, it could've added uncertainty to whether they could get back to the camp after the avalanche in time. Maybe they even tried to stay the night in snow near the campfire, or just spent enough time in the cold waiting for the sound to pass and figuring out what to do, that many of them were already doomed to freeze to death.
As an avid backcountry skier I’m wildly impressed with your ability to perfectly describe the two types of avalanches in two minutes (I’m assuming you found out the difference for this video)
Another point about the radiation, the brand of camping lamps found in their gear was known to be mildly radioactive. They thought the technology was safe at the time but around the 2000's it was discovered those types of lamps were a radiation hazard, nobody connected it back to Dyatlov pass initially but I've seen it mentioned in the last few years on some blogs.
Also only two of them had clothing that was irradiated, and those two had been at the site of the Kyshtym disaster which was the third worst nuclear disaster and released more radiation than Chernobyl (Chernobyl is considered worse because more people were effected due to where the radiation went) and they didn't understand the dangers quite as well at the time so many of the workers never decontaminated their clothing.
I would guess that the reason they were only wearing underwear was because they stripped down to their underwear to sleep in their sleeping bag. You actually stay warmer that way. I assume they heard the avalanche and had to run out of their tent before having any time to put on any clothes. This would also explain why they cut themselves out of the tent from the inside, if it was caught in an avalanche.
How could you stay warmer by undressing in a sleeping bag ?
I've been in just mildly cold situations, and can assure you the more layers you have, the warmer you'll be.
Stripping being warmer in a sleeping bag is a myth. Unless your clothes are wet, or so bulky that the air pocket is filled in, wearing clothes will be warmer.
Yeah, what? In what scenario is having fewer clothes supposed to be warmer?
@@gramgramchabadou2524 because you sweat with the layers of clothes inside the sleeping bag and become colder due to the sweat. Trust me Ive been camping hundreds of times and in the dead winter cold of camping, underwear inside a sleeping bag is the best and most comfortable way to sleep.
@@Carboxylated I'll try it then ;)
The avalanche makes ton of sense and it seems very likely that is what actualy happened. I can get behind that. The main problem here is the avalanche theory doesnt explain why they evacuated their tent,which is their only shelter in that harsh environment,which is the first mystery here. They even cut their tent open from inside and that means they were in hurry. Opening the tent is a time waste for them.
My thought is they heard the avalanche coming or something. Like grounds rumbling. But i dont think thats what happened. The avalanche theory is the best yet and i love it but it doesnt answer the main question. I would love to know others opinion about this.
But i probably wont get any because this video came out long ago so less people are watching and commenting. But i will appreciate it if someone replied and let me know their thought of this.
Thank you in advance if you replied. Love from Malaysia. Peace
Agreed, but only because bigfoot does not exist. If it is proved to be a real animal tommorrow, then you would be illogical to think it wasn't a yeti attack. They are attacked in front of the tent some in there underwear some fully dressed. Those in the rear cut there way out and run for it. Those stuck there are beat to death, so, car crash like injyries. Those that escape take shelter at the tree, try to build a fire for protection, then yeti shows up. Some try to climb the tree but are pulled down, leaving flesh in the bark. If yeti is an ape creature , well we know chimps and apes they rip out tounges, eyes and genitalia of their victims. Thus the tounges removed .A few more manage to get away and are freezing and attempt to dig out a shelter in the snow where there freeze to death. But.... yeti isn't real, so the avalanch theory is the best explanation. However.... if they find it is real.... then this was a yeti attack. And there are the photos and I think journal entries of a strange creature or native that was following them. I have heard it was a native wearing fur coats, that makes sense. That is why some ppl thought natives attacked them. But they where afraid of something or someone they had seen following them.
These are my favorite videos that you do Joe. Love the mysteries!!
One of the biggest problems with the avalanche theory is that the tent wasn't crushed. In fact, several items were still set neatly in place. A stack of crackers and tinned food sat there undisturbed.
After reading the book Death of Nine, I'm convinced this group was murdered, just not sure by who.
One of the girls was keeping a diary and the very last entry in her diary was the name of the Mansi man the group met.
Another theory is that the group member who worked in the nuclear lab set out on the expedition merely as a pretense to give nuclear information to a foreign power - basically he would have been a spy. The theory is that either the Soviets found out and killed him and the group (and then staged the whole thing to make it look like they died from nature) or the group member purposely provided disinformation to the foreign power (US likely) and this got discovered.
The encampment in the woods below the hikers (in this theory) would have served as a staging area for whoever ended up killing the hikers. The tree with broken branches and twigs could have been used as an observation post by whoever was down there.
The orderly footsteps in the snow and the way the items in the tent were undisturbed points to the idea that someone forced the hikers out the tent - as in they were told to stand up and start hiking downhill as they were. The tent getting cut open from the inside isn't verifiable fact - it was a passing comment from a seamstress who heard about the investigation. So it is possible the tent was cut open from the outside.
Some of the men had bloody and bruised knuckles and contusions on their bodies in the shape of a horse shoe - the same shape as a rifle butt. The idea is that they fought back but got beat down.
In addition to Luidmila, whose tongue and eyes were cut out, other hikers exhibited signs of torture, such as being burned and stood on (caving the ribs, chest cavity, etc).
Idea being, whoever was in that lower forested area abducted the hikers from their tent at gunpoint, marched them down the hill, bound and tortured them, possibly to get information. Again, some of the men fought back but to no avail.
Could have also been the Mansi guy though. But from everything I read in that book, abduction and murder appears to be the most likely theory.
Sorry, but this just isn't "simple" enough...
I don't know what happened there exactly, no one knows. But the guy in the video leaves so much information put that doesn't suit his theory, it's pathetic.
It's a pure clickbait video, nothing is even new information in that video, and other information is wrong or missing.
Your theory uses a lot more actual facts. Of course that doesn't mean that it's true, but at least it's based on more facts and doesn't leave out stuff that doesn't suit the theory, like the Avalanche theories.
All those Avalanche theories are so easily debunked because they absolutely make no sense, you have to ignore so many facts to believe in the Avalanche theory.
Bad video imo
It still doesn't quite explain why they were naked?
If they got covered by an avalanche, you'd imagine they weren't yet hypothermic when it happened, yet they chose not to bring their clothes from the tent?
Were they already hypothermic when the avalanche woke them up?
I think LEMMiNO's theory is really plausible and makes a lot of sense, and that came out about 6 years ago
That dude production quality is very good. But the frequency tho ...
@@fajaradi1223 that’s why they are good… the frequency.
It takes effort
I really love ya Joe. You are entertaining and informative as are your other viewers. Who knew gas lantern sleeves/mantles were doused in radioactive thorium dioxide? I do have some lingering questions regarding the Dyatlov Pass Mystery. The tent was found standing, propped up sturdily with poles, ropes, and skis. Seems like a slab avalanche would easily take that down and move it especially if the avalanche was caused by cutting a platform for the tent. Also much of the clothes were found inside the tent which seems an unlikely location for paradoxical undressing. Also, I could not find how many of the 9 were undressed but paradoxical undressing occurs in less than half of those who die from hypothermia. So if all 9 had only socks and skibbies, that would be weird.
Actually, it is, and was, common knowledge that such mantles contain thorium, particularly amongst the educated. You should explore the East Urals radioactive trace for the far more likely answer to the “radiation mystery”.
Who knew? Hundreds or thousands. Possibly millions of people for years on end.
A lot of the other people pointed out that people get very wet while hiking in snow, and tons of people said they took off clothing in their tents to let it dry.
It's possible they panicked or suffered paradoxical undressing while inside the tent, and then the irrational behavior afterward is just easily explained by paradoxical undressing.
Gonna call bulshit on the avalanche theory. The main reason (and by far the most damning) they said it couldn't have been an avalanche, is because all of their skis and poles were still standing upright when they found the tent. You can clearly see them in the photos. Convenient how that got left out of their "study". I've studied this incident thoroughly, and there's a lot of other unexplained aspects, but I'm not going to sit here and write a novel.
How come no one mentions the photos they took and the worries they wrote in their journal?
Because they would mock you and say some overly cliche unoriginal comment like, “where’s your tinfoil hat?” But I agree, lot of things don’t add up to a mere avalanche.
And what about the body recovery team members who said they saw Bigfoot type prints in the area around the tent. And were told to say nothing about them.
i definitely balk at “bigfoot, *shrug*” or “AYRLIENS!” theories, but i do feel that something more weird was going on. They could very well have been killed by an avalanche, but it seems that there was something more sinister, or just weird happening leading up to the final hours.
Ive heard my grandmother talk about this several times throughout the years when i was young and like others, she had her theories. Im 56 now and this video has me wondering again what happened to these people. Great video.
Please, please share her theories! I would love to read that. I find this subject fascinating.
Avalanche is most plausible. Cut out, run for your life. Everything buried so no choice but try surviving the night. Two groups, two different theories on how to survive.
@@thebigpicture2032 I’m interested in hearing what others thought about it at the time, like grandma’s stories. It’s easy to do theories about it now, but I’m looking for what was going through peoples thoughts back then.
That would be interesting too. I'd like to know.
The problem of any avalanche theory is that the speed and force would have smashed into the upstanding skis around the tent and broken them. Why were the skis still upstanding? And then the footprints. There were still footprints in the snow, but wouldn't the footprints been covered over by the snow and ice moving at 300kms?
It was probably a mild and more specific avalanche
@@cheerful_crop_circle that's one theory.
@@zacwestern9655Perhaps maybe it was caused by a weird natural disaster that we still dont know about?
Thanks a lot for this interesting video. Just some comments here. Some...
The net picture 2.18: Anybody who know something about snowy conditions, notices immediately that the tent was not like this when they found it. The expedition party had done at least some digging. How much, we don't know. With any wind, the snow won't stay in that kind of sharp formations on the tent - that is impossible. In the pic it looks rather like somebody had stamped on the tent. That fact is very unfortunate - we don't really know what the tent looked like when it was found.
Paradoxical undressing makes no sense: they did not remove their clothes in the cold - they left almost all of their warm gear by the tent when they were certainly not hypothermic. So, wearing only underwear was not due to any paradoxical undressing. They had little to undress, really. And those found trying to get back to the tent, had all more than underwear.
Slab avalanche is good - its very very nice. But it explains little, or nothing. And, if we believe the tent pic, it never happened: the tent was still standing, 2 weeks later.
It is easy to make up half a dozen plausible causes for panic in the tent, but none of them explains the fact they did not return minutes or some dozens of minutes later to, at least, get their life saving gear from the tent and around it. If the tent stayed there with no damage, as it appeared to, any intelligent creature would have gone back there asap to take warm clothes, food, axe and what not. If we assume that the escape from the tent towards the forest really took place, then there seemed to be something by the tent, that appeared to be worse than death. They bruised and cut their skin in order to climb a tree and gain sight towards the tent, but they never deared to approach it - before it was far too late. That is the question, the mystery: why did they abandon the only safe place they knew and chose a near certain death instead? In what kind of situation a sane person leaves the warm tent with no shoes?
If there is an avalanche, you surely run - but if you then notice it was a false alarm, you come back and at least take ALL you necessary gear to survive. The tent seemed to be there, standing, did it not? If there is smoke in that safe haven, U get rid of the smoke and go back to sleep. If there is a dangerous animal, you fight, and then go back to sleep. No idiot will leave the tent in a freezing cold blizzard, and these people were no idiots.
So, lets not "find answers" if there is none.
Excellent observations. Something compelled them to decide that leaving the tent without taking the time to gather adequate clothing was a better option than to remain at the tent. Not sure when the catastrophic injuries occurred: while in the tent? at the ravine where the bodies were found? If in the tent, then I suspect the karman vortex street most. They had to leave to avoid more injuries, and would return when the wind died down. Some did try to return.
@@richardknott4626 Yes, they had to leave, or they were made to leave. I for one have not been able to make my mind up.
ok, not big on in-video adds, but that transition was pretty darned good. also, really enjoyed the video overall. I hadn't heard about the newer study, so I actually learned something new. 😀
Every time someone talks about Paradoxical Undressing with this case I roll my eyes.
You really think that multiple members of an experienced mountain climbing group would get this condition all at once?
There wouldn't be at least one member who would be able to talk some sense into them and let them know they had the condition at the time.
And that they would get this condition while being inside their warm tent to begin with?
Additionally, Lyudmilla Dubinina, the girl with her tongue cut off, was known to be a talker and would let you know when she felt like saying something and no one was going to stop her.
Also, when her autopsy was performed she had a significant amount of blood in her stomach which means she swallowed it.
Which means SHE WAS ALIVE when it happened completely doing away with the scavenger theory.
Agree 💯
It wasn't cut out it was ripped out of her. Again Sasquatch.... Probably from her screaming in Fear...
The Russian Military covered it all up...
This theory doesn't explain why would they escape without clothes, some might say "oh but they were afraid of another avalanche, but every experienced hiker will tell you that it's better to dig out your clothes despite risks, because it still gives you better chances of survival then going of without clothes.
The most frustrating aspect of this mystery is how people obsess over the "missing tongue" as if it's unusual. 🤦♂️ Thanks Joe for not doing that. Good update.
Tongue being missing isn’t unusual, but finding a large quantity of blood in her stomach is. That means it happened while she was still alive, so yeah, very unusual.
@@79Bobola Sasquatch. She was I'm sure screaming in fear and it ripped her tongue out of her. They covered it all up, so people wouldn't be afraid to go in to the Forrest. Look into missing 411 case's.
No the radiation piss me so much more, literally one guy had radioactive clothes and he worked at a nuclear power plant. It's less mysterious than the video even suggests
Nice. Theories tested, and proved plausible.
Accidents, and laziness happen no matter the skill of people. Just have a look at how many expert divers, or cavers doing their jobs end up failing. Even doctors screw up. Expertise doesn't eliminate simple failures.
Now I just wish someone to go into those forests where people have 'teleported' / disappeared like in the 411 Missing cases, as well as make a return to the Skinwalker Ranch.
What is actually disappointing in a way is that most all "supernatural" or "unexplained" stories almost always end up being very natural and explainable lol. Kills the imagination.
Keeps us grounded. We can't help but spruce every story up with a little bit of pizzazz. But when we're brought back down to reality with new revelations, it's a reassuring feeling.
This one can't be explained by saying avalanche though. There is so much proof not adding up to any theory you can think of, that's why it is such a weird case and is still unexplained
there’s still lots of questions though, because it’s not just deaths that were strange.
I hate when avalanches cut tongues, pretty natural
@@MicroClases_Ciencia you know it’s actually not that uncommon for people in accidents where they’re thrown around very suddenly and unexpectedly to bite their tongues partially or completely off. Not saying it’s definitely what happened, but it seems a likely explanation, for that aspect specifically
One rather obvious source of the radiation detected on their clothing was the East Urals radioactive trace, which was a consequence of the Kyshtym disaster of September 1957. The Dyatlov Pass falls within the area affected by this devastating event. This actually fits with the avalanche hypothesis, because the contaminated layer of snow would likely have been buried by subsequent snowfall and then unleashed upon them by the disintegration of multiple years of accumulated precipitation.
Scalar Electromagnetic pulsing TR waves into the ground has a nasty effect of radioactive materials instantly decaying the nucleus of atoms and causing the liquid waste stored underground to detonate.
Same with Chernobyl, accidental pulse discharge from a nearby transmitter some 30km away.
Soviets had a hay day with them captured Nazi radar scientists and Nikola Tesla's ideas, who was the first to discover Scalar Electromagnetics to begin with.
Fascinating stuff really. I believe the Soviets called it "Energetics".
Looks like all the snow melts away during summer, meaning there's probably no "multiple years of accumulated precipitation." Check out the photos of Dyatlov Pass during the summer.
The Lantern theory's a better possibility. And the hikers having worked at a nuclear facility, it's not that hard to have carried some radioactive traces on their clothes.
@@nishchalsigdel I’ll concede the possibility of the contamination being present on clothing due to working in those facilities, but the radiation from the thorium of the mantles could easily be identified, and it would be at _very_ low levels. You must be _extremely_ familiar with the climate in those mountains to be so confident that the snow entirely melts away. Is this simply a guess or can you actually prove that significant melting occurs (and actually _did_ occur in those few preceding years)?
P.S. The Kyshtym incident dumped enormous quantities of high level radioactive waste over that region, so there’s certainly the possibility that it played a role here by one mechanism or another.
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 The climate of a place can change over these 60 years-note 'climate' and not 'weather'-and unless we have a gauged station over at the Northern Urals reasonably close to the Dyatlov Pass, it then becomes a game of statistics of course by fitting a regression curve to the available data with probably some corrections. So, things come back to the fact that whether or not the site is gauged otherwise it's merely an estimation. And yes, I made a guess through a lot of those pictures from Dyatlov Pass in the summer and I know I might be completely wrong about that!
I'm aware of the Kyshtym incident and I second your opinion that it might be a possible cause of those traces. But, is there a way you could possibly prove that the scattered radioactive waste over the Northern Urals spread in a way that the wastes actually accumulated at that very location where the incident happened? And if it were a case of multiple years of accumulated precipitation, why are there no papers on this? Because the multiple years of those accumulations still would continue after the Dyatlov incident (and if not, can you prove if they cease to accumulate after the incident?)-meaning they should have traced more of those radioactive dumps on that very site.
The avalanche theory begs a question. Why would the Soviet government attempt to, or at least seem to attempt to cover up a natural cause like an avalanche?
The Dyaltov Pass incident is definitely something out of a horror story. These hikers died and nobody could figure out why.
Not a "horror" story at all, more like an outdoor adventure accident. Joe just related a plausible explanation that will satisfy pretty much everyone except the usual conspiracy theorist hanging around any topic.
@@red94mr28 Still disturbing!
LOL .... so an avalanche hit them and killed some of them - but left their camp intact - so they cut their way out of the back and their tents and "calmly" walked away, heading in different directions - AND ... some of them left all their clothes, coats, boots and gear back at camp and froze to death...? Why didn't you just go with "swamp gas" got them.
1. Avalanches can easily bury equipment. Their camp was not intact, but it was located in one spot and could be easily re built.
2. That can be explained a few ways. Most of the group was outside of the tent, doing something nearby. The few stuck in the tent cut out of the tent in order to look for their best friends who were probably dying, just trying to find them.
3. He literally explained that in the video, not going to explain again why they would walk outside naked, its very normal for people experiencing hypothermia and near death.
Their tent was not buried under avelanche, it was easily found by the search party, there is pictures from first responders on google. There were was only small slits cut in the tent to peek through. Gamertard sums it about right.
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I've wondered about this for years. I always thought missing eyes/tongue means animals got to it after. But the radioactive clothing is still weird.
Joe, have you ever watched any of the documentaries made by Lemmino? If not it might be something you would like. He did an excellent video about the Dyatlav pass that I would say is top teir. Anyways great video as always!
So good! And if I remember correctly he has a completely different theory, concerning the portable heating stove, which may have given them monoxide poisoning.
That is a great channel!
Maybe I glossed over it, but another mystery was supposed to have been that their footprints were consistent with normal walking, not panicked running. Was that just BS from the initial 1959 report?
Dyatlov Pass and the Somerton Man kinda sorta done. Would be great to get more info on the Isdal Woman and that guy in Ireland (can't remember the moniker given to him).
Mr Bergman. And according to a German podcast they stated his family contacted authorities and has been identified, but they wish to keep him anonymous and the Irish authorities have acknowledged this.
@@jamesknapp64 Thanks for the update.
I thought it was pretty much (plausibly) an open and shut case. It was evident from the site that the stove was still active during the time of the accident, meaning it was possible that it either started a small fire or the tent was filled with smoke. You could also add in the Avalanche part if you'd like.
Once they cut open the tent to escape, they immediately knew they were in deep danger, in the the dark forest.
Add to that that it was possible that they may be drunk at the time, they essentially had very little chance of surviving this. Some tried to get as much clothing as they can to travel back foe help, some stayed and attempted to make a fire, one was trying to get their bearings but fell off and got very grievous injuries. The rest who tried to get help, basically fell and got killed in the process.
The radiation was potentially from one of the hickers who worked at a nuclear plant or something at the time.
I don't believe stove was in use.
They weren't in a forest - the forest was more than 1 km away from them.
@@NubsWithGuns it's called paradoxical undressing, and it's when people get so cold they feel too hot so they take their coats and stuff off
@@billsmith5166 There has been a claim by the guy that left them early that the stove had a tendency to still have active embers in it after the fire was out. There is also info about the stove causing a fire at least once before the unfortunate incident, but for the life of me I can't remember exactly where it came from. Either a journal entry or the guy again.
@@SwizzleDrizzl Actually I'm on the other guy's side on this one. Unless it was actually warm inside the tent, they wouldn't have needed to remove their clothes.
Though, inebriation can be one cause of it.
check the photos of the tent. Tent remained in tact. It doesn't look like it was an avalanche. Also footsteps on a photo. After avalanche ?
They were not idiots. They knew what they can except there.
What people keep glossing over and don't want to talk about regarding the story, is that several of the victims were found mutilated missing eyeballs missing tongues (like cattle mutilation cases)... also I think two of the victims were found with incredibly broken and traumatized bodies they didn't just fall into a ravine they fell from like 200 ft in the air... what likely happened is so totally unbelievable to most people that they keep trying to say they solved the mystery. Every year there's a new theory
Yeah, im seeing all the coments saying that this is solved when the biggest details are being avoided, they're like npcs
@@JoaquinBarrios2002 THIS 💯
No, you guys just want to ignore obvious explanations so you can keep your great mystery alive. It's a fact that scavengers go for the eyes and mouth first. There is also no evidence that the hikers with internal injuries couldn't have gotten them from falling into the ravine they were found in. Just because some dimwit on the internet says they must have fallen from 200 feet doesn't make it true.
The missing eyes and one missing tongue was likely due to animal predation/decomposition, they were found in running water several months after the others.
Two had crushed ribs and one had a major skull fracture all of which were compared to a car accident. They were also the ones missing soft tissues.
If it was an avalanche, the tent would have been covered. So I doubt it was an avalanche.
These kinds of small slab avalanches don’t leave evidence that lasts beyond a few hours much less a few weeks.
All it would have taken is for them to think it was an avalanche for them to panic, cut themselves out of the tent and make a run for it in whatever clothing they were wearing.
The one thing everyone forgets to mention is the fact that:
- everyone knew that there would be 11 hikers to be waited for at their destination
- and only the people at the starting hut knew that 1 of them had returned.
- there is a 'declassified' military/KGB document, documenting 9 (if I remember correctly) dead bodies dated a day after the group (supposedly) died and at least couple of days before anyone noticed that they were missing (no radio call) and 10 days before searchers reached the area.
- the tent, although found, was kept a secret for at least 2 days.
And the avalanche theory does not stand on the mere fact that the tent was in its position and the skis stood as they were left by the group (one would expect them to be at least knocked over)
- also the footsteps are visible in the photographs, daaaays after they died.. and remember some of them in the ravine were found under a lot a snow (at least 10 feet of snow) - so one would expect heavy snowfall, but there was none for a couple of days (at least 10) and most probably the wind was the culprit.
Therefore this case.. is extremely difficult to answer, and I think that people who actually knew the truth are no longer alive to tell it.
Maybe in some years we will find a diary of one of these people explaining in detail what happened to them.
But to believe the avalanche theory is like believing that the pyramids were for burial purposes, and that the stones for them were carved with copper chisels..
Also on the dyatlovpass (dot) com you will find all the info necessary to make your own conclusions..
The Dayatlov group were hiking/skiing/climbing to receive required certification for climbing in specific places. They were experienced...AND Russian.
Aeolian or infrasound?
Slab avalanche?
Radioactive?
Crushing chest trauma?
The Mansi?
Carved up tent?
Boots left behind?
I'm not convinced by any of the theories...the mystery remains imho.
When the world was considered flat...old maps read, "Beyond this place, there be dragons."
Thanks Joe!