You mean on the tail of the rope or the load bearing strand? On some lightweight systems with small rope a backup is justified especially if the operator could lose control due to the loss of friction from the smaller surface area. Ideally a second operator would tend the prusik but it's not out of the question for one operator to both lower and tend the backup, just not ideal. But yes a load release hitch with a prusik is a nice combination to have as it allows you to solve a lot of problems.
You mean brand names? The rope is Tachyon, an arborists rope. They make a couple of other colors if you don't like orange. Wonderful rope for climbing trees with a tensile strength in the 7,000lb range. The pulleys are CMC, pricey but great. The prusiks are PMI, another great brand. Carabiners are steel auto-lockers. Everybody sells carabiners so pick what you like. Rigging plate is SMC, but other brands make them just as well. We change from a munter to a scarab because otherwise as you lower your prusik rope grab will be lowered with your load. At some point you won't be able reach it anymore or you will run out of rope because remember the rope is tripled at that point. Now can you lower simply with a munter? Absolutely, but it will introduce twisting in your rope unless you use the super-munter. Anyway, the best way to learn these techniques is to get out and play and practice.
@PerryFire I didn't know what the rigging plate was called. I like ropes and knots, but I do not climb. I see the pulleys and think, man, that would be great for hunting. Some of the other things you do with knots would be great in my area for pulling out an Elk when they end up in a bad spot. I have been learning a ton, and I think it is awesome that what I do for fun people actually use for saving lives and whatnot. I don't think I would experiment with my own body going up a tree without someone there to make sure that everything was right. I have no desire to find out the knot I thought was right was missing some vital component I couldn't see. Thank you for your information.
@@eugene66626 It's always good to have a mentor before you leave the ground for sure. I'm probably going to shift towards mechanical advantage systems here soon which would be excellent for pulling out large animals such as elk so look for that in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting.
If you turned that load-release hitch (Radium Release) around so the munter is on the anchor end, you can control the lower from the anchor instead of following the munter down the rope. Or am I missing something?
@@steveprimm7943 Dealers choice. Since I am only releasing a few inches it doesn't really matter but yeah if for some reason you needed to extend the entire length of the radium release it could matter for sure which way it is oriented. Good eye for details.
I like the way they're sewn - create the loop for the carabiner and leave the rest for tying the prusik. I'll have to get some to try out with my team.@@perryfire3006
After the load is transferred to the scarab, could you retie the MMO and leave the prusik attached for a hands-free backup?
You mean on the tail of the rope or the load bearing strand? On some lightweight systems with small rope a backup is justified especially if the operator could lose control due to the loss of friction from the smaller surface area. Ideally a second operator would tend the prusik but it's not out of the question for one operator to both lower and tend the backup, just not ideal.
But yes a load release hitch with a prusik is a nice combination to have as it allows you to solve a lot of problems.
Can you link the rope and components in the description? Why change from the munter to the scarab? Isn't the munter designed for lowering?
You mean brand names? The rope is Tachyon, an arborists rope. They make a couple of other colors if you don't like orange. Wonderful rope for climbing trees with a tensile strength in the 7,000lb range. The pulleys are CMC, pricey but great. The prusiks are PMI, another great brand. Carabiners are steel auto-lockers. Everybody sells carabiners so pick what you like. Rigging plate is SMC, but other brands make them just as well.
We change from a munter to a scarab because otherwise as you lower your prusik rope grab will be lowered with your load. At some point you won't be able reach it anymore or you will run out of rope because remember the rope is tripled at that point.
Now can you lower simply with a munter? Absolutely, but it will introduce twisting in your rope unless you use the super-munter. Anyway, the best way to learn these techniques is to get out and play and practice.
@PerryFire I didn't know what the rigging plate was called. I like ropes and knots, but I do not climb. I see the pulleys and think, man, that would be great for hunting. Some of the other things you do with knots would be great in my area for pulling out an Elk when they end up in a bad spot. I have been learning a ton, and I think it is awesome that what I do for fun people actually use for saving lives and whatnot. I don't think I would experiment with my own body going up a tree without someone there to make sure that everything was right. I have no desire to find out the knot I thought was right was missing some vital component I couldn't see. Thank you for your information.
@@eugene66626 It's always good to have a mentor before you leave the ground for sure.
I'm probably going to shift towards mechanical advantage systems here soon which would be excellent for pulling out large animals such as elk so look for that in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting.
If you turned that load-release hitch (Radium Release) around so the munter is on the anchor end, you can control the lower from the anchor instead of following the munter down the rope. Or am I missing something?
@@steveprimm7943 Dealers choice. Since I am only releasing a few inches it doesn't really matter but yeah if for some reason you needed to extend the entire length of the radium release it could matter for sure which way it is oriented. Good eye for details.
Where do you get your prusiks?
PMI- Pigeon Mountain Industries
They make a lot of really good products. Cheers
I like the way they're sewn - create the loop for the carabiner and leave the rest for tying the prusik. I'll have to get some to try out with my team.@@perryfire3006