Kashmiris are as Indian as the rest of Indians: Former Army chief Gen N. C. Vij
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Watch former Army chief Gen NC Vij (Retd) - author of ‘The Kashmir Conundrum', a Harper Collins Publication publication - in conversation with ThePrint’s Senior Associate Editor Snehesh Alex Philip, former Parliamentarian Dr Karan Singh, Vice Chairman of Vivekananda International Foundation Ambassador Satish Chandra (Retd) and former chief of the Chinar Corps Lt Gen Ata Hasnain (Retd) in The #SoftCover.
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Rather than ‘perception management’ it might be better the Courts in India to hear the various petitions before the honorable courts. Actions speaking louder, will manage the perceptions by itself.
As things stand today, suspension of habeas corpus in JK is becoming an excuse to abandon Civil Liberties in the rest of India.
A big case has been made on the need to deradicalize the society and it can’t come soon enough.
Absolutely. Our Judiciary acts as a parallel arm of the Govt. rather than a coequal branch that checks and balances the Govt. Our declining civil liberties has more to do with the unequal application of basic doctrine by the Judiciary.
@@libshastra Has this issue started now or was this always the case?
Good point @Bravo, it is unfortunate that present Government lacks the tact. They want to project being brave, removing 370 - good step, What is after that ? PM speaking inviting Kashmiris to join and asking tourists go there, Bollywood to shoot there does not happen like magic. Tact is what needed not muscle power. Involving judiciary would surely help to hear out things.
No body will disagree with general . But Kashmiri’s if they really are so, will not pelt stones on security forces, remain silent on targeted killings of Hindus.
So if Vikas dubey kills cops, then all his caste should be blame and labelled as anti indian
@@edytha2090 was his caste even a motivating factor? Such. A bad argument
@@Rohit-ne2el Well you can't argue from that fact that he killed police men... You can twist and turn but facts is facts... Of you think caste was not a motivating force then ok its up to you lol.. Such an....
@@edytha2090 wtf,you should read what you are saying.its you who is twisting facts,the fact is he was a criminal who killed and his ideology or motivation had nothing remotely do with caste. You can create whatever fiction you want in your head
@@Rohit-ne2el Dnt wtf others..stay in your limit... And read books study hard be something
Agreed General sir in 65 & 71 we did mistake. Should have captured POK
@@AlokAsthana1954 sooner or later both pok n gilgit will be part of India.
@@AlokAsthana1954 dude in 1965 war we successfully captured 1760sqkm area In fertile lands of lahore shallot haji pir , kargil sector while loosing 555sqkm of land to them in deserts of rajasthan , khemkharan and chambh we still were net winners territorially though it wasn't decisive victory . In 1971 we marched on the streets of Dhaka and secured some 15ksqkm area of POK but it was given back after war . In kargil we not only pushed them back but also captured point 5310 in the enemy lines which allows to control.
Nearly 5sqkm of enemy territory
PAKISTAN made huge mistake in 1962 when China 🇨🇳 thrashed Indian army and was asked by China to take kashmir. But American pressured them not to get involve.They also had a chance in 1965 to take kashmir.
@@mohammedmir777 strange : bizarre : alien : odd preposition: sach main aap kaha se ayee ho sir . App Gajab ho khuda kasam. ...... Waise. Saudi Arabia ,. China. .. IMF : euro Bonds ka installments de diya. ..... Nafrat bhi bikta hai janab : khuda kasam
@@Vivek.101 when? There will be end of ENDIA.
Dr. Karan Sing congress has handled kashmir issue negligently from beginning.Most vurnable group in kashmir region is kashmir pandit.Please comment on this.
The discussion encourages to obtain the book and read.
Sound quality is real bad .
This should not be about religion. It's about nationality and rationality. There seems to be a huge debate between two sides - the right and the Kashmiri Muslims. The right wants to alter the demography and the other side wants an independent Kashmir. It should be clear that altering the demography is pretty difficult (especially in a place like Kashmir) and an independent Kashmir is simply not possible. Since the dawn of time, Kashmir has always been part of Bharat. It is not like an 17-18th century European or African disputed area where an independent state could emerge just like that.
Also, I'm going to hate a lot of hate for saying this but yes, it is very unfortunate that some misdeeds of our army couldn't be pretended to not exist. When someone says our army disturbs the lives of the people in Kashmir, I would not deny the statement because it probably has some truth. However, it would also be a gross generalization to state anything more than that.
It was clear majority Muslim state should have gone to Pakistan .Region of India always had many independent States or countries in the past history of the region.
Right bro @rohit
Gen. N C. Vij has given a comprehensive view of Kashmir from a politico-military perspective. The distinguished panel has spoken well on the subject. However, revoking the 370, 35A unilaterally and abruptly can't solve any problems. If Kashmir is still on UN Agenda and it is because UN Observers are physically present on the India-Pakistan LOC, therefore, it's not a bilateral issue, it's an international issue according to the UN Resolutions of 1948-49. Mentioning a lost opportunity in 1965 and 1971 is an assumption, Pakistanis only had two divisions in East Pakistan in 1971, about 200000 troops. India never had any win against the Pakistanis on the Western front. Anyway, Indian has to listen to Kashmir, it has to restore 370 and 35A otherwise, this will cause more pain for India. It's a disputed territory between the two nuclear powers, no one can change the status. Gen. Vij's assumption that financial pain will force Pakistan to change its Kashmir policy is a wrong assumption. Pakistanis have shown their steadfastness in the USSR-Afghan fiasco of the 80s and recently the NATO-US in the 2020s. Kashmiris don't like Indian rule, they hate the Indian establishment in their territory, they want to break free from India, it's a reality, no amount of money or resources spent on perception management or military means can change it. The sooner Indian leadership learns to form its mistakes and wrong assumptions the better it would be, otherwise, the problem from Kashmir will spill over to other areas. The greatest damage to the Indian Army is it's changed its mindset to train its people and face the real issues that any military is trained and armed to do, Ladakh example was a total failure of Indian military leadership, political mindset and diplomatic understanding. It's partially caused by the counter-insurgency war in Kashmir, because a prolonged deployment in the civilian population that hates you shifts focus from fighting regular battles with the regular military, which has long-term implications, as Dr. Sawhney calls, "Mental Atrophy of Indian Military." There is only and only one solution, give Kashmir's the right of self-determination that India has agreed in the UN and let the Kashmiris decide what they want to do with their right, to stay with, Inda, to join Pakistan or to be independent a buffer state between the two. India will never be strong enough militarily to keep Kashmir forever, Pakistanis will back Kashmir's for the next 100 years, the onus is on the Indian political leadership's wisdom to cut their loss and find an acceptable face-saving solution of Kashmir, otherwise, they may to lose more territory and also pride, the Indian 7 sisters states are under the red axe that can fall anytime. It can be avoided, otherwise, it would be very embarrassing for the Indian military and polito-diplomatic community to face that debacle. And Indian people don't deserve it; revoking 370, 35A, Citizenship Act. Farmer's protest over one year, Monetization, supporting communal violence and keeping a blind eye to Muslim genocide are not good signs for a 5000-year-old civilization, that is governed by a shortsighted premier and hardline cronies. The stakes are high, and hard-working decent Indian citizens don't deserve this outcome.
Pakistan won’t even be there in the next 100 years let alone support kashmir. This is never going to happen. If this happens, it’s a death sentence to the minorities especially kashmiri Hindu. This is just a pipe dream that will never become a reality. India either needs to be vicious as Pakistan and opt for a demographic change slowly.
Instead of worrying about india, Pakistan would do well to look for Balochistan and Sindh lest they break free from a radicalised state. If religion would have been such a binding factor there would not have bee. 56 muslim nations and Bangladesh would not have come into existence and Baloch would not hate the strangle hold of Punjabi muslims.
@@sunilgandhi8448 Don't worry about Pakistan, worry about India, your current government and mindset are self-defeating for the unity of India. Pakistanis have learned to manage foreign supported elements.
@@zaffazad4040 India , this word make us united.
We Indians are not Yahya Khan , Kashmiri are ours that's why Kashmir is ours.
If Kashmiri expands throughout Pakistan,
Then We will claim Pakistan too because Kashmiri are ours and We firmly believe it that they are Indian citizens.
If Pakistan has 0 capacity how to handle this issue , Mujibur Rahman would have been Pakistani prime minister
@@babydoll6123 I think Mr. Nehru went to UN Security Council in 1948-49 to admit that Kashmir is a disputed territory. And I am sure if India could claim it on its own, then there was no point in going to the UN.
Dr. Sahab should know that until security issues are sorted out in J&K, there is no question of statehood being accorded again. Otherwise, we will be back to square one minus Ladakh!
Dogra in Dr. Sahab could not save J&K from the Pakistani marauders but he is expecting Home Ministry to do miracles immediately after 70 years of mismanagement and misrule in J&K.
Gen if Kashmiri Muslims are like rest of India then why they celebrate India defeat against Pak in cricket. Sorry Gen you are not in sync with ground realities
A cheat is speaking lol
Key member in Adarsh Scam😂😂😂😂😂
We believe it,
Tajanul Ahmed gold for India in world kickboxing championship.
The Anti Infiltration Obstacle System AIOS, a brain child of General NC Vij is a unique and historical line which successfully countered the Pak strategy of Continuous Trickle Infiltration at will. Government must acknowledge this visionary thought and speedy implementation and even consider naming the AIOS as The Vij Line.
Same is applicable to Khasmiri pandit also they're are also Indian
People from minority groups should not come in defence area or defence journalism
General Vij and the illustrious panel have by and large recounted the history from their personal perspectives.What should and could have been done - hind sight always20 20.
One expected some sketching out what in finality will bring peace and, eventually, resolve this issue. Do we continue and perpetuate the conflict that has taken and destroyed thousands of lives - soldiers and civilians??. Or find a solution? Will it/should it ever end? If so How ?
J&K and Ladakh should have their own legislative assembly, Government told they removed Article 370 to make the region more included in India,but President rule is making them fill more isolated
As always, General Vij is lucid and direct. My compliments for an incise commentary on " masla-e- Kashmir"👍
Indeed insightful. Must read for those concerned/interested in the issue.
Dr Karan Singh's grasp of the subject is superb.
Get the democratic process started asap. Have a UT govt just like that of Delhi in J&K. A non-dynasty CM that focuses on development, and doesn't speak separatist language, should be elected in Kashmir. Then automatically everyone will trust Kashmiri Muslim.
DDC is already in place
Bharat's perception management on Kashmir and on other important issues is wanting. We have to invest on social media and other channels to tell our side of the story effectively and efficiently.
You may have a point, social media is double edged sword, for every positive campaign, they could counter with 10 negative points, if they are stopped, they would cry freedom of expression being suppressed. Need extreme tact to handle.
The moulvis in Kashmir are from UP and Bihar who are hardliners. Good food for thought. The subcontinent’s radicalization ideologues are Deobandis, Barelvis and now Tablighis
What about RSS and others in collision with Modi and Co.Gutter FANATICAL HINDU IDEOLOGY.
There was one promise also made by pm of india, i.e plebiscite
Bhai uske liye pakistan ko piche Jana padega Jo ho nahi payega
Realistically dekhe toh
Don't worry it will happen after all kashmiri pandit family return to their home Kashmir
@@divyanshraiswal6969 bhai, i am talking abt history, as i read oll abt history of j&k
Accession was temporary, there vll b plebiscite in j&k
Hope peace prevail in j&k
@@sumeermalik3012 peace✌️✌️
@@sumeermalik3012 Wrong. Accession was permanent. It had certain conditions. Like 370. Plebiscite was a fallout of India making the mistake of going to UN