CHUCK NORRIS NEVER RESPECTED BRUCE LEE- brother teacher
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2015
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Chuck Norris has never respected Bruce Lee.
Martial artist and actor Chuck Norris has over the years,always put himself on the same level as the late and great Bruce Lee. In fact he got his start in films from Bruce Lee.
I agree with everything you said in your video. In all the interviews I've seen of Chuck Norris, he never ever acknowledges that Bruce Lee was the superior martial artist. He always says that he worked out and spared with Bruce Lee, but never says that Bruce Lee was the best. In all the years I've watched martial artists, nobody comes close to exhibiting the skills Bruce Lee had. In short BRUCE LEE IS STILL THE BEST MARTIAL ARTIST, PERIOD
Gm thanks you tube for sharing this special story of what my brother feels about a real marcial art person Mr.N is white so he took it for his self this is why he didn't respect Mr. Lee sad can't take it from him Linda j.☮️☮️☮️
Chuck always speaks respectfully about Bruce, but he is not going to lie and say a guy with a zero fight record is the best. Why should he say that, he doesn't know either way. Neither do you or I.
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@@kam5914 my comment was neutral. I said None of us know how good Bruce was, or who would win between him and Chuck, but that's not good enough for you immature little fanboys. We have to proclaim him superhuman or we hate him. For the fucking last and millionth time Bruce has a ZERO provable real fights. If I am wrong, name a fully verifiable real fight win, not just hearsay ??
And bruce lee wasnt best of them. He didnt make a career of fighter. He was a movie fighter. He was a genius in movies...
Bruce Lee has always been my childhood hero since I was a kid. A lot of fighters of today are still jealous of Bruce. Bruce is a legend. RIP BRUCE AND BRANDON.
Bruce lee was interviewed once back in his hey days. He was asked, Mr Lee, do you believe that you are the toughest man in the world. Bruce Lee responded- I will never ever claim to be number 1 but I will never ever claim to be number 2 either. Nuff said !! Bruce Lee, Muhammad Ali and Elvis Presley Only comes once in a life time RIP to you three Greatest of all time !
When you have champions like Joe Lewis weighing 200 lbs studying with Bruce, a 135 lb guy, you know who's the boss.
And a champion 7 foot "2 Nba star learn from bruce
@@concac314 LOL... you don't know his name?
You are right about Chuck Norris. If it wasn't for the epic fight with Bruce Lee, He would not have been the star that he is or was today.
And now I know my grandson is always saying that he's Bruce Lee cuz he looks forward to seeing Bruce Lee movies even if he's only 4 years old he likes Bruce Lee and do you know what I'm happy because that is a man that you'll never forget I don't care what anybody says the man was a man
Thanks Randolph..
Mr. Lee was one of a kind, the one man I wish I could have met if I had one choice to meet anybody in this lifetime
I heard Chuck say he could not even touch Bruce.
David Steers chuck Norris stated he would make the movie with Bruce Lee if bruce let him hit bruce . I think Chuck Norris did respect Bruce.
That could mean if they did spare he wouldn't be able to make contact.
Johnny B. Goode i had a old video with some deleted scenes where chuck norris said bruce lee asked to spar over n over and he refused so they exchanged blows (sorta) C.Norris hit bruce lee in the chest and his whole arm went numb and he was scared to let Bruce hit him back so bruce laughed and said its ok . i wish i had the tape because chuck norris lies would have been done lol but u right they never sparred but they did exchange exchange blows (sorta) 😂😂😂😂😂
Jim Kelly later admitted the same...
David Steers my mom had a old dvd and chuck norris said bruce lee asked him to spare several times and he refused so bruce said lets exchange blows to the chest .. he went first and said he hit bruce lee and his arm went numb as he hit bruce lee in the chest so when it was bruces turn he said he was scared to take a hit back so bruce laughed and said its ok while continuing to laugh... i have been searching for that dvd for yrs just to exploit chuck Norris for lying and acting like the incident never happened . . I'm sure its a video still lingering around and I'm determined to find it
Bruce Lee was, is and always will be the epitome of Martial Arts. He is the face and the king of it....PERIOD!!!
Epitome doesnt define "best or worst" in the martial arts...bruce lee s fame and recognition strongly related to movies. If there are no movies he could not be famous and recognized in the level we know...
Mr. Reginald Stroud, I admire, appreciate, and respect the fact that you have and had spoke up and stood up for Bruce Lee and his talents, diligence, training, and accomplishments. They, in my opinion, are envious, jealous, and insecure about their achievements in comparison to the late Bruce Lee. It's definitely and truly sad and unfortunate that we all have to live in such a competitive world. Right on, Brother teacher; preach on. One love. Peace.
Thank you Brian
When someone calls themselves "Brother Teacher" my crap detector goes off...anything that comes from this mans mouth is C R A P
@@joereidy5732 Mr. Reidy, that's your opinion and you're absolutely entitled to it.
@@joereidy5732 Unless you compare him to Beerdy.
@@reginaldstroud1123 Norris was taught by koreans
Man Bruce Lee is the face of martial arts , chuck Norris !? The comment section is pure comedy and a bit surprising tbh but no one man has done more for the sport than Lee. He revolutionized and created a industry for how many others in Hollywood ? He's the reason why little kids wanted to do karate , damn am I really typing this , Lee also brought a ideology to the sport and created an entire style. Talking about a damn chuck Norris lmao man chuck is chuck, Bruce Lee is hanging on my sons wall right now
Well if bruce lee is hanging on your son's wall then he must be the greatest.. your son must be the best judge. And the fact that bruce lee is the face of martial arts... twit. Look, if Chuck said he was a world champion and BL wasn't, then he was stating a fact, nothing wrong with that. Nobody is denying that bruce lee was very knowledgeable in martial arts
boliussa twit ? Man did I say anything directly to you? Do u know me ? And my son is four yo why would you do that? I'm not gonna state the obvious I'll allow u to clarify your statement if you would.
William Autore what difference does it make if I know you or not?!
boliussa Bc u called me a twit and mentioned my son
William Autore by calling you a twit I mean you made a stupid comment.. like if I say somebody is stupid I don't mean stupid in every way, I mean they've done or said something stupid or (if I have seen lots of their output, it might mean that they're stupid in a particular area, though not the case with you), and when I mentioned your son it wasn't personally about your son, it was about your comment, it was to say that to judge bruce lee over chuck norris because a/any child has a poster of one and not the other in their room, is silly. All Chuck seems to have said is that he was a world champion and bruce lee was not, and that's a fair point.. and it doesn't deny that bruce lee was more famous.. Chuck Norris has not disrespected bruce lee at all. And sure Bruce was way more intellectual and a genius and created a whole fighting system.. nobody is really denying bruce's greatness.. certainly not chuck.. But it's amusing that you threw in as an argument that a child has a poster of bruce on his wall and not chuck, is just so unanalytical, such an unintellectual, not just unintellectual.. anti-intellectual argument. Like in any conversation.. who is a better footballer.. the one my son has on his wall.. I can't even imagine that argument working in a pub after people have had 10 beers. If you put 10 non-thinkers in a room, and let them talk for 3 hours, they may well not come up with an argument as mindless as that one of yours about the poster on your son's wall as some kind of evidence of who is better.
I finally got someone I can listen to that feels the same respect I believed Bruce Lee should be given &shown towards His family! I also agree with the reality of the times which some of the younger have no apprehension of the mind set we had to deal with. Thank you for your view!
Thank you
Grandmaster !
Well said with honor sir...
Bruce Lee to Martial Arts is what Michael Jackson is to music and dance !
Will be imitated but never duplicated
So true, great point Frank. Thank you
Michael Jackson ripped off James Brown - thank you verymuch!!
Well said man !!!! exactly !!!
He was a child molesting martial artist?
My mother told me that Chuck Norris learned martial arts from Bruce Lee, She told me that When Bruce Lee died, and it came out that Bruce Lee took some sort of drug, which was a muscle relaxant , and it killed him, Chuck Norris acted like he didn't know him or learned from him because it had to do with drugs, at the time he didn't know what kind of drug that killed him. Like he didn't want no part of it, and she saw how Chuck Norris acts like he is better than Bruce Lee, like when Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee is a good fighter, but I am a professional, that really pissed her off. My mother is 64, and she is basically saying the same thing as you. I am 32, I seen the Chuck Norris texas ranger, and to me personally that show sucked. But my mother said in that movie "Dragon the Bruce Lee story" he came up with his own martial arts techniques that his wife was writing down in the book during the time his back was broken, what has Chuck Norris ever done that was so special?...
+imhackedagain Thank you again for the commentary, and tell mother, much respect.-brother teacher
Bruce lee king of martial arts. 🙏
Chuck Norris was not a pallbearer at Bruce Lee's funeral, look at the actual funeral footage, and you will see!
@Deron Louis Wow... I've been thinking that same thing for a couple of years now!!
So true, brother! Especially Chuck Norris. I’ve heard his interviews where he tries to give the impression that he was on the same level if not better than Bruce. One has to be completely ignorant to believe it. Some people believe he did not like Bruce and was envious of him.
With all due respect to Chuck Norris, he was at best a good martial artist, but Bruce Lee in comparison was exceptionally superior and Norris new it. He would never give full credit to an Asian. Norris, in fact had some sort of working relationship with Bruce Lee, but in my viewpoint, this is all it was. He was fortunate to have been graced both with the presence of such talent as Lee, but he was looking to rise to stardom on the back of Bruce Lee. Without Bruce Lee, Norris would have never reach the heights that he did. This is just real talk. Some want to state the fact that Norris was a pall bearer for Bruce Lee to mean that they were the best of friends, but i have been a pall bearer for someone years ago that i didn't even know... it was just a courtesy. So how does this seal the deal as it relates to friendship?...it doesn't. Take care Bruno..
bruce lee was a dancer and an actor. he never competed in a real competition. or have any real fight records. in the other hand check. did compete
@@nabilzig3797 lol and u don't know anything
Of course he's jealous of Bruce
@@nabilzig3797 Brother never forget one thing. The most dangerous fighter is the well trained street fighter, one who prepare his body for fights with no rules; your eyes, your groin will not be spared on the streets... even biting is valid for survival. That's why light weights can defeat heavy weights on the streets. The same is not so practical in the ring with rules that apply to boxing, karate, etc. That's there is weight division in formal competitions, but on the streets... "when talking about fighting as it is, with no rules, well then, baby, you better train every part of your body" - Bruce Lee
Well said Stroud... I love you for your honest, respect for the Legend - Bruce Lee my first martial artist Idol. My name is also lee, I was born the year the dragon left us. I heard the noise within my house that day when my father cried like a bitch.. :-) A legend died today. My mother said no, they can't name my black ass Bruce Lee, I couldn't lived up to that legendary name. Thank you mom for respecting the dragon, and me. My first martial artist teacher was a tibetan and he was fat, belly hanging over. within our second week of training we were talking about Bruce's speed, he said Bruce Lee suck just an actor ! I smiled and looked at him then walked out of the class never to return. For one I know a master of an art when ever you see them. Their expressions, and body physiques. Their teaching never dies. For all the haters of mister Stroud and Bruce lee screw you all..!
+Soccer Number 10 Thank you sir, i truly appreciate your kindness. I feel compelled to tell the truth because i too was inspired by Bruce Lee, and then i began my journey. Because i have studied him and his art along with my own for over forty four years now , is how i know these other haters as you put it don't have a clue as to just how deep Lee actually was into the martial arts. I could go further but i think we all know who the world picked as the greatest martial artist.Be blessed my friend. -brother teacher
keep sharing videos of the art and your love for the true art.
Soccer Number 10 I shall, thank you...
+reginald stroud Bruce Lee makes Chuck Norris look limited. Just their body-types let alone the precision of their moves made Lee look like the master teacher and Chuck @ best a student. Only.
+reginald stroud Also, ALL the black martial artists give Bruce Lee his credit. It is ONLY the white ones who haven't. WHY? It's like when folk talk about JAZZ there are those who don't give BLACKS credit for this music when it is evident that Jazz like Rock'n'Roll is black music. Wow. Would that ALL martial artists speak truth to power the way you do! Kudos to you!!
From what I know about martial arts in general, it takes a lifetime to a martial artist to become a grandmaster. Bruce did while still ayoung man by creating his own style. Bruce was a genius. What am I saying? He IS a genius. Genius never die!!!
I have been a practicing martial artist for over 40 years and I seen various martial arts systems rise and fall in popularity.
However, I have NEVER seen a group of more disrespectful and dishonorable people, than these "new jack" MMA cage fight types. Most of the masters of Ju Jitsu and other systems, are traditionalists and practice the traditions of respect, honor and humility passed down from ancient times, but these new guys, speak brashly and disrespect grand masters at the drop of a hat.
As far as Royce Gracie vs Bruce Lee or, any traditional REAL war-arts fighting system; take the fight out of a cage and put it in an open environment, where Bruce Lee's speed, "animalistic" agility, endurance and pure powers of chi could be unleashed. It would be like placing Royce Gracie in a pasture with a full-grown hungry mountain lion and the results would be the same...
BEAUTIFULLY put urban. Respect.
I totally agree with you
The fact is, all these so called point (games of tag) fighters went to Bruce after witnessing how awesome he was at tournament demonstrations. To be fair, Joe Lewis did actually take what he learned from Bruce into the full contact ring, with awesome results. However, according to Mito Uyehara, a student of Bruce, during demonstrations, Bruce would ALWAYS call out the names of all these so called "champions" to come up and try to block his attacks or spar with him, but they always declined, because they knew they were no match for Bruce's ability, even then in the mid 1960's. To be sure, the best so called fighters never came up and Bruce was forced to demonstrate on other sub par fighters (if you can even call them fighters) such as Vic Moore.
If anyone wants to know who trained who, check out the DVD Bruce Lee, A Warriors Journey and Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do. Both produced by John Little, who had permission to use material from the Lee estate, including specialized workout routines that were outlined by Bruce for Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis and Mike Stone, to name but a few.
+superstrangevideo You forgot to mention kickboxing champs Paul Vizzio of NY and Benny the Jet of Ca.
Awesome.. what Ron Van Clief says about Bruce: www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Ron-Van-Clief-Where-Is-He-Now-18699
+lucidmist Ron is a fucking lier.and has a horrible rep. Ask Zane Fraser about his special private lesson.
+superstrangevideo Well said..
lucidmist Yes, very nice compliment of Lee from him.
Bruce Lee is and was and will always be the best overall. money, looks, educated, talented dancer, great actor, martial artist, philosopher, a son, a father, a husband, and thousands of people's inspiration! who is gonna talk shit about all that?? everyone who ever hates on Bruce Lee just know his name will be remembered for years to come and your name isn't even known today!!!!
that's a sure thing
how many people did Bruce Lee inspire? How many people did Chuck inspire, game over
exactly !!! good point !!!!
So true, seems that these types of tragic deaths, happened to many a famous individual in America, even though Bruce was in Hong Kong at the time, Bruce's death is linked to Hong Kong gangsters
I agree with that it was Bruce Lee that made Martial arts famous in America . Without him Chuck would not have been a successful martial arts movie star. After all who was Chuck before I he stared in Bruce Lee movie Way of the Dragon as Colt. Never heard of him before that movie
Chuck Norris was a Paul Bearer for Bruce Lee's funeral. I'd say they were pretty good friends for Chuck to be a Paul Bearer.
Steve Litwiller That's what I was thinking as well right? Not sure I believe this guy
Peter Chin, Dan Inosanto, Taky Kimura, Robert Lee, James Coburn, and Steve Mcqueen-- Pallbearers for the Lee seattle funeral. July 30th 1973. Chuck was there though...probably honorary.
Chuck Norris was an Honorary Pall bearer. Chuck and Bruce were great friends. Bruce broke Chuck out in the movies. That would be reason enough I would think
Steve Litwiller. true
Steve Litwiller it's true chuck has said alot of good things about Bruce what is this guy talking about
Chuck Norris was a point Karate champ! lol He never fought full contact in the ring going 8 rounds in a fight. That would be Joe Lewis. Joe Lewis who trained with Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris is on record saying Bruce Lee was a true fighter and had a fighters mind. Because he always till the day he died was trying to find the fastest, and most effective way to take you out! Joe said all the advice Bruce gave him worked in the ring! When ask who he thought would wind Joe answer was interesting. He said he didn't know. But he did say that Chuck Norris spent most of his training on forms and Kata. While Bruce would do hard full contact sparing for hours.
Thanks Linda, because i don't know why people compare point fighting with full contact fighting. This is the very reason Bruce Lee trained the way that he did. He did not participate in sport tournament because it was counter productive to what his purpose was, which was to perfect his actual fighting skills. Thank You
Sorry but this is not even gonna take long. Anyone who knew Bruce Lee when he was alive, including Jim Kelly, would tell you that Bruce Lee would have kicked the shit out of Chuck Norris. And this is not a disrespect to Chuck Norris. This is just me being real.
Truth Hitman You are absolutely correct
reginald stroud from what I seen with my own eye America new they were watching the best.if not the greatest of the 20 the century
Linda Lopez > Hi, I would like to talk martial arts or Bruce Lee with you.
Bruce Lee really put Chuck Norris on the map with that villainous character he played in "Way of the Dragon." Bruce originally wanted Joe Lewis to play that character who participated in that famous fight scene in the Roman coliseum at the end of the movie. I really wish it was Lewis who got to appear in that movie. At least Lewis spoke more truthfully and highly of Bruce Lee as a fighter. Lewis, the king of full contact karate, did say he sparred with Bruce Lee, and that Bruce, though a small man of about 130 pounds, hit as hard as a heavyweight (incredible) and was the fastest man with blinding speed that he ever had in front of him. Norris, a point karate champion and nothing more, actually had the audacity to say Bruce was nothing more than a technician and that he, Norris, was the real fighter. Ha ha! Was Norris on some kind of drug back then in those interviews? Nah, he was just an ungrateful, selfish fool who got a big head with his own fame and liked to put a great man down who was dead and couldn't defend himself. I did point karate back in the 70's, and man, it was a joke in terms of what real fighting is about. I knew it back then. Joe Lewis gives Bruce Lee the credit for inspiring him to quit the silliness of point karate (well, it does have some virtues in terms of developing one's timing and techniques) and to start getting into full contact karate which is about really hitting your opponent full out and trying to knock him out. Sorry, but Chuck Norris is a pretentious arsehole who has my deep disrespect. He's full of himself (probably was never in a real fight, or at least I never read about him having done so) ...and he even now has Jesus on his side, too, now that he's getting pretty old.
I started my martial arts career at the age of 5 because of the Karate Kid. I grew up without a dad so that movie resonated with me. I wanted my Mr. Miyagi. When I got older I started to discover Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Jim Kelly and all these great legends. When I was in High School I had be competing in competitions for a few years and I met Norris during a competition. He was my judge. I actually tried an illegal move and he noticed it right away and disqualified me. He later came to me in the locker room sat down and was a very humble carrying guy. I told him that the guy I was fighting, his style was different and I couldn't figure it out and I was on a win streak and I wanted to become state champion...Norris pointed out that the guy's style was very elaborate and that I was actually wearing him down by footwork. He said that the guy was getting tired while I wasn't really breaking a sweat. From that moment on I never tried to do that again.
Now after that meeting I wanted to learn more about Norris, Lee and the others. Before I went to college I took a year off to "travel abroad" and meet my martial arts heroes in person and get to know them personally or from their loved ones. I met the Lee family. Linda Lee Caldwell was very kind to invite me into her home and I also got to meet their daughter Shannon. We talked for a good 2 hours on Bruce Lee and I learned a lot about his life and just how much of an impact he had on the Martial Arts world. Shannon showed me these books tiny little notebooks and there were at least 2 boxes full of these small books and then another few boxes with bigger notebooks with his drawings and writings, journals and info. In one of these books there's notes that after Chuck Norris became the world champion he and Bruce Lee stayed at the same hotel. This is talked about online but not in the detail that I read in the books...but they stopped on Bruce Lee's floor and sparred from like midnight until about 5 am..and then Bruce in his worlds asked if Chuck would be interested in training when they both got back to Los Angeles...Linda Lee expressed that those two were always working out and developed a great friendship over the course of their training. Now here's the killer of it all. In these books, the reason Bruce Lee wanted to train with Chuck was because Chuck had techniques with kicks that Bruce Lee wanted to hone and there's drawings of these kicks. Now for Chuck, Bruce taught him to keep his punches short and with more power. Literally in these books there's drawings with norris' name in it...I think the republican politic comment isn't needed. Because their relationship had nothing to do with politics...Linda Lee told me that when Chuck Norris heard of Bruce Lee's death that it devastated him and to this day it's hard to talk about their relationship, because they had a close relationship.
Now I will share this last bit. In one of his journals...Bruce Lee quotes that out of all the American fighters that Bruce Lee met, Chuck Norris was on a level that no other american was on and this was one reason he wanted him in that movie. Now he wasn't better than Bruce Lee...But from his words, of all the american fighters Bruce Lee met, Chuck Norris was on a level higher than any other american fighter.. So I humbly disagree that Chuck Norris has no respect or has never shown respect for Bruce Lee. There are so many students of his Black, White, Asian...that I have interviewed through my research for a book that Chuck Norris references a lot to his students about Bruce Lee. One of his students, James Arwood ( African American ) stated that during his childhood training with Chuck Norris, Norris would explain to him and his fellow students why Bruce Lee was so good and that he was on a level no one may never reach...James said he had aspirations to achieve Bruce Lee's potential but there were things about Bruce Lee's skill that people could not comprehend.
Now one other thing that I want to say, I apologize that this is long...Bruce Lee trained from Ip Man that much we know. However, because Bruce had a different way of thinking and a different philosophy he saw flaws within his own teachings...Through the books that I was given to look at and from the Wife and daughter of Bruce Lee...Bruce Lee did take several techniques from other martial artist while he form Jeet Kune Do. However, he took those techniques perfected them and then taught them. So for an example Chuck Norris is known for many moves, but one will pull out is his roundhouse kick. Bruce Lee took that kick and perfected in away that Norris couldn't do and he made it 10x faster...Jeet Kune Do is a mixture of Martial Arts like some martial artist do, they learn several forms and then create their own and that is what Bruce Lee did, however he did it on a genius level. Linda Lee showed me something else that indicated that Bruce Lee was a genius and not just with martial arts but with a lot of things. His IQ was up their with some of the greatest genius of all time.
Chuck Norris is an honorable man. I spent weeks interviewing him and his take on Bruce Lee and Martial Arts and being up close in person he doesn't strike me as a liar. The things he said ( i interviewed him first ) were some of the same things Linda and Shannon have repeated. Also if he has no respect for Bruce, he wouldn't to this day keep in touch with Linda and her family.
Lastly I'm speaking on this as a Native American. I'm not white, or black, or asian. I don't care about skin color. One day we as a society need to stop referring to each other as a different race, because in actuality we're all the same race the Human race. We all just come in a variety of colors, shapes, and sizes. I think mentioning the republican thing is not needed. Martial Arts isn't about politics and it never has been. If it was Asians made it that way and Bruce Lee broke that divide. However, people like Jim Kelly , Chuck Norris, & Bruce Lee never turned away a student based on race, politics or religion. The lesson I learn throughout my own investigation was that a lot of men respected Bruce Lee who also respected them...The thing about Martial Arts, the key traits I've learned is humble and humility. Bruce Lee never came out and said he was better than Norris or anyone else..so I think Chuck Norris and them not saying Bruce Lee was better than them ( However they have said it ) out right in public is because to them it's not about who is better. It's an art that each of them can learn from one another and they are just being humble about who was better. Shannon Lee said something that was striking to me...That even though at that time Bruce Lee was the best in the world...that we need to understand he was the best we knew about because he was in the spotlight, however there could have been someone out there during Bruce Lee's time that was better than him. Shannon said that there's always someone out there that is better than you at this...
As a Martial Artist having a Black Belt. Being the only person from my tribe to know martial arts, I learned that Martial Arts is about community, it's a huge family and people shouldn't be trying to compare who is better than who because none of them tried to do that..They respected each other and learned from each other then passed on what they learned from Bruce and what Bruce learned from them...that is what Martial Arts is about...Sharing what you learn and passing it on. Not who is better and who is worse. Just thought I'd share. Linda Lee shared with me these words before I left after spending a few days with their family, "People like Chuck Norris, Jim Kelly, Joe Lewis, and others that Bruce Lee trained with are part of our family and they have and will always be a part of our family. Bruce Lee thought of them as brothers and they thought of him the same."
Bruce Lee has always been the best ! And close to him I would say,Jean Claude Van Damme !
There's authentic video footage on UA-cam which captures ( Jim Kelly ) during an interview before his passing in 2013 where he clearly mentions that Bruce Lee could handle himself extraordinarily well: Even against the big namers who were renown champions and clearly proved it in private sparring sessions with many of them including good crafty fighters who were all dangerously good with their feet as well as their hands. He stated that Bruce was untouchable and could go at it with anyone. The size of the opposition nor style didn't matter according to Mr. Kelly's statements. He also stated that Bruce literally took on quite a number of big name fighters back in the day and didn't fear anyone of them with his fighting prowess. Furthermore he spoke about Bruce's unbelievable speed his timing and power as being steps above them all and he hasn't seen a martial artist out there like him and as great as what he personally witnessed at these hidden from the world/underground sparring sessions. Prior to engaging in these brutal exchanges they would all consent to signing a gag order in order to protect the reputation of each fighter because of the magnitude of respect they received from the martial arts community as Kelly utterly made clear. Now since I don't think he's LIEing at all it seems like not only was Bruce Lee a tremendously talented martial artist/big screen motion picture industry iconic actor /philosophy master/ great teacher of martial scientific innovative liberalization of kinetic combat methods but a man who knew how to fight in actuality too! He was metaphorically described in comparison with Michael Jordan placed beyond Michael Jordan.
Agree 100% lee was and still the man
FIT TO BE FIT FRANK FORBES FIT TO BE FIT i.
Brother Teacher you have just proved to me that you are a born-fighter . A true martial artist does not go around with words but talks straight !
Thank you Nara
reginald stroud Thank you for standing up for the gifted Bruce Lee. I say gifted because he was a gift to us all.
Chuck norris did respect bruce lee
John Gant of course he did! Bruce could have kicked his ass in seconds
Bruce Lee would have whipped Chuck Norris ass in a real fight!!!
RIP Bruce Lee, much respect.
I have not heard too many martial artist give Bruce Lee any credit from this era
Thank you for watching and sharing
It's the other way around. Chuck Norris was a pro fighter. When Bruce Lee asked Chuck to be in the movie it helped BRUCE BY Beating A WORLD champion In A film.
+elixon lopez Thank you you know your history
Thank you for being so honest
I did see a video and I myself picked up the attitude of Chuck Norris
Thanks Sharon
I never put Chuck Norris on the same level as Bruce....Never. His gravesite is one of the most visited gravesites in the world. He is a cool legend. Thank you for defending him. Chuck Norris is your typical all american attitude who thought he was it when he wasn't. Bruce was way ahead for his day.
Chuck Norris completely disrespected the late David Carradine. Norris said that Carradine was a great actor but an inferior martial artist. Norris said he had very little control over his kicks and punches. Once again, Chuck Norris elevating himself above another real martial artist. It kind of pissed me off.
Brother teacher is on point. I too have seen and heard other martial artist say that Bruce was not a fighter. But yet and still some of these guys are teaching Bruce Lee’s concept.
Keep telling it like it is brother teacher.
It does not matter what Norris said about Lee, what Norris says is irrelevant. Lee offered the "Colt" part from Way of the Dragon to Joe Lewis, who turned the part down due to his ego, he didn't want to lose on the big screen, so Chuck jumped at the opportunity. Bob Wall studied under Norris, and to this day Bob Wall says everything you need to know about Bruce Lee, Bob Wall seen Lee as unbeatable. Norris' ego has gotten in the way because he capitalized on Hollywood's offer, and even Hollywood needed him to be his own man to be able to sell himself to the public. Norris would have gotten killed by Ed Parker, and Ed Parker looked up to Bruce Lee. Both believed in spontaneous reaction, and both created a scientific street fighting system. Norris is not , and was never, on the same level.
And let us not forget Chuck Norris's very first role in a movie (as an extra) which was entitled "The Wrecking Crew" Starring Dean Martin as Matt Helm. It was also the very same movie that the studio had hired Bruce Lee for all the chorographical fighting scenes. This was back in 1968, before "Way Of The Dragon"
Very true. Many don't realize how contractually liable Bruce Lee was to Hollywood way before Enter the Dragon. Many of the documentaries would have you believe that he went to Hong Kong for all of the wrong reasons. There was a lot of red tape between Lee and Shaw Bros prior to Golden Harvest, he didn't just turn down their offer like many believe...
The Reflection im a martial artist, I've watched both fighters, I've used both styles and in reality chuck Norris moves were more realistic.this guy is racist, listen to him speak of Obamanation.
In fact, Ed Parker said that Bruce helped him improved his Hawaiian Chinese Kempo. That's due to Bruce's amazing intercepting hand techniques. Many people don't realize that Bruce had heavyweight pro boxer's punching power at a split of a split second speed.
Run Run Shaw wanted to own Bruce Lee, but Bruce sent back Shaw's check with a note on the back. Raymond Chow of Golden Harvest partnered with Bruce till his death. Note, Bruce planned not to continue with Golden Harvest partnership and was going to bring all the Hong Kong stuntman with him to his new US film company. Raymond Chow was not happy about that.
Greetings...Mr. Skie23 and Mr. Stroud
.... A story. Chuck NEEDED Way of the Dragon. He was broke and close to broken. Semi retired and partnered with Bob Wall, their dojos were going belly-up. Real estate default. Estranged family life .Diane wasn't having it. The strain was there. Bruce was in Hong Kong two years running and breaking the rules to make a film outside of Hong Kong hiring white and black actors and doing the whole thing himself with little money. His studio contract satisfied, he was on his own spending someone elses money. He needed real martial artists who could take the hits. Goldenboys Joe Louis and Louis Delgado said no. No little chinese guy makes a punching bag out of Mr. California.The strain was there. Bruce heard about another golden boy and solicited. Bruce helped him. It was still business but Bruce reached out to this man Chuck. He was still ranked as champion in his division but as JIm Kelly once suggested, "Trophies don't pay the gas bill." Chuck and Bob needed a bailout. They both bit the supremacy nail and all it implied and agreed. Bruce asked Chuck to gain twenty pounds to look more formidable. What?.That really meant Chuck would be overweight and limited compared to Bruce looking like an ice sculpture which was the point . Chuck didn't want to look bad dying so Bruce twisted his arm and snapped his leg and left it up to Chuck for the neck break...to fight on towards irrational death? Not totally.
That was Bruce's statement to white america for how he was treated in Hollywood and used it to seal his image as the Asian everyman who took on the Hollywood Goliath (racism) and sized him down by beating its prize stallion: the blonde blue-eyed superman. No longer kissing Hollywood ass, he would kick it by using Chuck as a surrogate. Chuck wasn't dense. He knew it and he rationalized it so it would not clash with his own champion image. Way of the Dragon was purely a bankable move for Bruce as a star on both sides of the camera. To Chuck, his presence gave the film class and was the mortar that sealed Bruce's stardom...in Hong Kong. He was a mandarin star...not a Hollywood star. Thats Chuck's claim to come. Besides, that little chinese film that would never get released in America.. Chuck went to another Hong Kong film with a bigger part. Another " little film" came up. Game of Death. Chuck said NO. Wasn't getting killed again. Chuck was offered the part of"Oharra" and said NO. He wasn't getting killed three times. Bob didn't care. He saw Warner Brothers. He got the part for "Enter the Dragon" and put in the word for Jim Kelly. Enter would do ok but not better than Steve Mcqueen who was Chucks buddy by this time.Then Bruce was GONE! WHOA! Enter the Dragon went stratosphere and so did Kelly and Bob for a minute. But no Chuck! Chuck missed the launch in America until it was decided to release "Way" in the states. Back in the saddle. If Bruce had lived, you would have never seen it..or Chuck perhaps? "Way" was changed to "Return of the Dragon" billed as a sequel to "Enter" and released August 4th 1974. It was the second tsunami from the first one called :Enter the Dragon" from an earthquake called Bruce Lee. Chuck and Bob and Kelly and everyone else rode that wave ever since...before Jackie Chan spoiled us and CGI ruined us.
shihanUKS Thank you very much for that history.I appreciate you very much.
-brother teacher
+shihanUKS Bruce made millions for Golden Harvest and prevented them from going into bankrupcy. Add to that, he formed his own company by his 3rd film. Who else has done that so quickly? His 3rd film, by the way, earned millions more than his previous 2 films for the company, so that's laughable to think that he was spending someone elses money. The story about Bruce asking Norris to gain 20 pounds has also NEVER been proven by any witnesses, other than Norris, who concocted it after Lee's death, to justify how flabby he looked in the film, compared to Bruce. In fact Newspapers at the time (1974) mentioned this several times, so I'm sure it got back to Norris and that's why he came up with an excuse for not even having a good mid section in that film, or any other film for that matter. Norris NEVER trained anywhere near as hard as Bruce did. Case closed : )
+superstrangevideo ...your comment reflects the conventional rhetoric of that time along with other versions in print and thats ok but lets clarify from eyewitness account.
Chuck was never a finesse fighter or aerialist displaying a poster quality physique. He was an average ectomorph frame, shy of 5'10, and a very toned 155 pds. fighting div. middle weight. He owned a backfist--reverse punch combo with a roundhouse kick follow up..and maybe a spinning heel kick if he felt you needed it. A limited arsenal not spectacular by cinematic standards now but he survived the business with it well into the eighties because he was super dedicated. That means when the film crew took their union break, he found an empty 18 wheeler trailer and trained. At least thats what he did on the "Code of Silence" set. There were black belts on set who were extras in his fight scenes and he would have class with these guys. Competitive atmosphere. Some felt the same as the tone of your comment. But Chuck engaged against the wishes of his agent and a nervous director. No punk though. He would show up before hair and make up call and run kata or bag drills. Very methodic. Methodic enough to keep eating for eight weeks for that extra weight. Witnesses or living witnesses? Whose living or dead on this list ? Does Bob Wall and Ken Knudson count? Taky Kimura? Jhoon Rhee? Byong Yu? Preston Baker? Howard Jackson? Pat Johnson? Who do you think told chuck what to eat if Joe Lewis didn't? Chuck and Bruce and these guys all hung out in each others hotel rooms! You think Chuck gained weight in seclusion? And Chuck is a hard gainer. Mr. Stroud knows who these people are as do I...personally.
Mr. Stroud's thesis for these responses remains valid...but you are straining for effect to say chuck concocted the weight gain and lacked a consistent training ethic. Newspapers ignored or disparaged kung fu films in those days especially. Some papers are not credible hence the term tabloid. I know. I delivered them.
An ode to Bruce's film revenue... It was Raymond Chow's money on a budget developed by Chaplin Chang based on a breakdown of Bruce's script. Chaplin did Enter the Dragon's budget as well. If Bruce needed something, the production manager got it via Raymond Chow, former hatchet man for the Shaw Bros. Believe me, Raymond still had a lot of Shaw in him after he left. You would not believe how he went after the Lee family after Bruce passed to make sure he stayed rich. That man retired some time ago leaving the studio to his daughter and sold his stock in the company for...200 million. Hows that for bankruptcy?
Raymond paid the bills. Bruce rolled the film. Way of the Dragon did get reviewed by one chicago paper mentioning Norris in a chop socky negative way as did the whole film. It was unfortunate those films weren't taken seriously by mainstream critics in those days except in Chicago when my mom and I stood in line at the premiere on August 4th, 1974. The manager stood shaking his head in disbelief at the never ending line of the packed Oriental Theater. He was mouthing about how he would get fined by the city and the fire dept. This one could not be ignored. He was the one who called his buddy critic Roger Ebert of the Sun times to get down there and see this" Kato TV actor" beating the Godfather movie. And it was a 9am showing!
+reginald stroud Greetings... This is for the comments left by some of these strange folks out here with all the foul language like chuck broke out their car window or burned a Bruce poster in a protest march in front of their house...is it that serious? Chuck....an ass wipe racist?! Uncalled for. Good or bad, Chuck is a colleague in the Martial Arts. Collegiality is to be respected. Martial Artists hate on other Martial Artists all the time but carry yourself with some grace ! Maybe Im biased considering my association with the films "Sidekicks" and "Code of Silence", which I thought was his best work. There is a code in the movie business that's highly romanticized but nevertheless just as silent...because it's real.
Chuck had handlers and the code was do as told which he did just like the rest of us. Groom the Image. You cannot say or do or be seen or be photographed for anything that could become public text and be twisted when you are paid to uphold an action star IMAGE. First rule: disassociation. Divorce Bruce. Move on. Look...you know how many producers turned down "Breaker Breaker" before it finally got made because Bruce beat him in that other movie? He learned from that. Never admit or reason defeat even when people saw it happen. People saw Joe Lewis break his nose. They saw Louis Delgado floor him with a spinning mule kick. Chuck lost just as much as he won. Which do you promote until eventually people agree with you...like the public? Had committee meetings over that. Thats tough when you want to be a star (investment) after you got killed by a star in your first wide distribution film. How do we invent Chuck Norris? You must promote invincibility for the sake of the film. In the producer's eye, Chuck must be the greatest champion ever known. .Bigger than even you know who. His contract, for example, with New Line Cinema languaged that an actor who receives top billing will promote the film at all times with his personage. 24-7. No verbal or written references to other films previously performed in or persons ( active or posthumous) with previous or alleged association with your career ( which you dont own) will be credited or mentioned during the distribution and run of the film. Certain comments will remain mute or deflected until the post marketing ( dvds with never before seen or heard interviews) stratagem is activated pending box office performance. Chuck was a star, not an actor. He was a "persona". No matter what part he played, he was Chuck. He could never play MacBeth or do "Death of a Salesmen". He had one market and he had to protect it by making back investor dollars without any association to that " Gladiator fight" in Rome with a posthumous "legend". Handlers are P-A-R-A-N-O-I-D. You want to do "Texas Ranger" and go into syndication ( a gift) and get a percentage? Chuck followed the rules with a silent retirement worth a loud 82 million because he followed the code. Samuel Jackson will never discuss Denzel. No bigger censor than the dollar.
shihanUKS Thank you my friend,for some very valid points.-brother teacher
Bruce Lee inspired me as a child to take up the martial arts. My version of Kung Fu was called Lau, after the master who developed that particular form. I did however still follow the wonderful free form techniques of Jeet Kune Do. Bruce, and his philosophy was so inspiring. I am well into my 50s now and still admire this most admirable man.
You're absolutely right and on all points. Bruce was untouchable... by any of his peers. And yet Bruce appeared to have respect for all of his peers
Yes, there are no accounts recorded to my knowledge, that Bruce Lee ever treated any of his students or closed martial arts friends slight or with a condescending approach.
Chuck Norris was a World champion, and Bruce contacted Chuck to appear in one of his movies. He definitely introduced Chuck to acting, and I don't know how this guy has never heard Chuck speak about his admiration for Bruce Lee. They were good friends . James Confirm, Steve McQueen was also a dear friend of Bruce's
All three of these men were Paul Bearers for Bruce's funeral. I think it's a disgrace to bad mouth Chuck Norris like this guy is trying to do.
I've never heard Chuck speak badly about Bruce.
Steve Litwiller Chuck doesnt tell the whole truth. Chuck trained with Bruce, but Chuck was Bruce's student. He did NOT teach Bruce to kick high. Total b.s. Bruce was doing high kicks better and higher than Chucks long before they met.
Bruce is probably tooooo fast for Chuck.. Chuck probably can't catch him anyways
I believe he respected Bruce during the early days because they were friends, I just think he eventually got jealous of Bruce's fame as a martial artist.
Funny thing is, no one would dare bad mouth Bruce Lee when he was alive. Only after he died. Because he would confront them. What does that tell you?
I hesitate believing that Chuck Norris did not respect Bruce Lee.
Privately,.. I believe he respected Bruce Lee’s skill level, but over the decades you can see his sentiments about Bruce Lee change. It’s on the record, Chuck said he was a Martial Artist, Whereas Lee was “ just “ an actor. Really Chuck?
Bruce Lee is the besthe was original creative possessed a martial level which stood on a spiritual level he was far ahead of the rest of humanity, he was philosophical possessed a super physical and developed a personality with a high charisma
Thank you Kano
I agree with you 100% that Norris dishonored Bruce and himself for not acknowledging what everyone knows and have come forth to say that there was no one like Bruce. Bruce's fighting skill set was unmatched. Norris knows he could never beat Bruce. Because Bruce is not around to defend himself, he embellishes by trying to portray himself as someone he is not.
Thank you Tony, for putting is politely. I believe that to be true. Norris is one of many that has made attempts to win more notoriety than they deserve from Bruce Lee's name. Take care.-brother teacher
A friend of mine who was active in karate in the 1960s saw Norris and Lee spar (not a real fight, but sparring). He said that Lee was clearly' superior.
bruce lee is best and even till this days, his untouchable
Sounds like he never knew Bruce Lee personally. Lots of speculation.
chuck norris can't even meet the level of expertise Bruce Lee had and always will have Bruce Lee is the best
Thanks Matt.
I'm a third degree black belt in KAJUKENBO Karate and Bruce Lee is one of Masters in my order and he is my role model in all my life i have read his books
So have i Matt, keep up the training
Thank you Grand Master you speak the truth even my Great Grand Master Charles Gaylord RIP was a good friend of bruce lee in the 60s and 70s before bruce lee died
What people don’t realize or want to accept, is that Chuck Norris was fairly arrogant in his younger years. He even completely disrespected David Carradine. In Lone Wolf McQuaid, Chuck Norris had his hands full in an energetic Carradine. Even Steven Seagal stated (recently) that Bruce Lee had the best kicks of all martial artists. That says a lot!
A lot of these discussions stem from the fact that most people talk out of their asses and don't know the facts about either one, Lee or Norris. Once the facts are presented, most will still believe the lying celebrity, because of his "tough guy" persona, even though he's admitted to never even having been in a real fight and therefore done absolutely nothing to deserve such a rep. Btw, it was Lee who gave Norris his break into films back in 1969 with a film called The Wrecking Crew. How many times have you heard Norris openly give Lee his due credit for this? You got it, NEVER! Norris is a walking moron and if I saw him in person I'd tell him so. If anyone wants to compare fighters with Lee, Norris isn't even worthy to be brought up in the same breath. There were (even in the 70's) and are, far better athletes for one to compare with Lee. Norris don't even make the list to anyone who is in "the know".
Thanks for sharing..
Chuck Norris is all about Chuck Norris. He is an actor and nothing more.
He was a world karate champion..long before he was an actor.
A friend of mine's instructor fought Chuck Norris back in the day. This guy was a high level Martial Artist in peak shape at that time of his life. He stated before he could block a kick from Chuck Norris he hit you twice in the face. The man is 77 and still works out. I truly think he is the real deal. Every interview I have ever seen with Chuck Norris he talks with respect about Bruce Lee. They trained together and Bruce asked him to do the fight scene in Enter the Dragon which Chuck Norris states launched his acting career. Please, watch all the interviews there on youtube there is no reason to start rumors.
Yes agreed I have a friend who studied southern mantis. His Sifu is still alive. His Sifu beat Bruce lee in a closed door fight in chinatown nyc . Some where around 1968. Gene Le Belle is a Martial Art legend. I never met him but I have friends that know him. Very nice guy from what I have been told.
Brother Reginald Stroud, I can't agree with you more. I was a Black Belt in Isshinryu Karate in 1979. I was 25 years old. When I made Brown Belt, I got obsessed with stretching to my limits. Running up to 5-10 miles a day, punching a 75 lb bag every day for 30 minutes, minimum. Bruce not only inspired me, but he inspired the whole world to be the best that you can be. In 1979, when I received my Black Belt, I was able to split all the way to the ground, both ways and I weighed in at 165 lbs. I had about 9% body fat. My classmates used to call me " Frog Legs.Lol" As far as Chuck Norris is concerned. I didn't find out until the late 80's that he was the World Champion Points Fighter. I just heard that he was the World Champion. Now, when I went to my first " Points Competition Match". My Instructor " THE LATE GREAT Mr. Jim Kantor, told me" Don't worry Joseph, Nobody wins their first competition. So, when they say " Fight", Just hit your opponent , like in class as fast as you can. I fought 4 people at my first tournament. I knocked all 4 opponents out with a squat kick to the face ON THE FIRST 2 OPPONENTS, THEN THE OTHER 2 OPPONENTS, I CROSSED PUNCHED TO THE SOLAR PLEXIS, therefore ending that opponent. I was so happy thinking that I was going to get a trophy in my first tournament. Low and behold, I was the only one out of the 4 fighters that I fought to not come home with a trophy because they hated our style and accused me of " Excessive Force." When I walked back to my teacher, He was smiling and shaking his head. I asked him what was wrong? Why did I not get a trophy. He just praised me and said, " That's the way Points competitions are. You did exactly as I told you and you won in my book."
I said all of that to say this. I never competed at another points tournament again, ever. Because just because you " Tap someone " faster, with a powerless cross punch or side kick doesn't mean that you are a better fighter, or that you would lose to that person in real life. Bruce Lee was living proof of that. Now I know why he never fought at points tournaments, because he would have won every one, but what really matters is what you can do fighting "Full Contact" in a ring with 10 rounds of real fighting. You need to be a good kicker, puncher and have the wind of " The Race Horse Secretariat!"
So, again, When I found out that Chuck Norris was ONLY a points fighter and watched many of his matches, it only proved to me that he was no different that those 4 young fellows that I knocked out in my first tournament. He was what I call " A Paper Tiger." BRUCE LEE was and is The Real Deal. Bruce knew that if he went into the ring with anyone, of any style, that he would have been the world champion until he was Murdered. He didn't have that American mindset of, " I,,,Me...That's when a bragger says , " Oh, that was me who did that, I can do that." "BOASTERS THAT CAN'T BACK UP THEIR WORDS." That's what Chuck Norris is and was back then. I'm sure he still is today. You're correct also when you said that if it weren't for Bruce Lee giving many Karate People a chance to be in his films, that they might not have ever been heard of. Brother Jim Kelly was the only person that I ever heard say in an interview that, " Bruce Lee was the Real Deal and was 100% untouchable." Mr. Kelly went on to say that no matter what punch or kick that you would through at Bruce, that you couldn't touch him."
In closing, when I was a Black Belt, I was working out, one way or another at least 6 days a week. If I could go back in time, I would have challenged Chuck Norris to a FULL CONTACT 10 ROUND FIGHT, While Bruce was alive, just to shut his Big Ungrateful Mouth ABOUT WHAT HE HAD THE NERVE TO SAY ABOUT " THE WORLDS GREATEST MARTIAL ARTIST EVER....
MR. BRUCE LEE.....SECRETARIAT was the worlds greatest Equine Athlete and BRUCE LEE was and still is the greatest Martial Artist that ever lived. Their will never, ever, be another one that can even come close.
Thank you Mr. Stroud for your honesty and listening to my long message.
Sincerely Joseph Monaco from Queens,NY...
YES I KNOW MR LEE WAS THE GREASTEST ARTS MASTER... BUT NO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN WITH OUT JESUS.. READ THE BIBLE...
tell jesus to stop isis. ohh wait .... 0893w2847 error jesus not found , he died 2000 years ago . move on . his daddy dont give a fuck either . fook him and his daddy. iam his daddy yeah ? call me jesus senior !
tony jacobs you are full of shit about bruce lee
Bruce Lee even reply to the challenges by Chinese martial art grandmasters to why he taught Chinese martial art to westerners and opened his own shool
LARRY FARVER
Amen! These people idolized Bruce Lee and God does'nt like that! They keep saying he's the best yes, just that era in the 60's- 70's only until he passed. When he started entered in movie business he brought and showed his talent and ability in martial art so that's the time that he became famous,. He's not the reason why Chuck Norris where he's at now? Steve McQueen who's the one encouraged Chuck to get in in the movie business not Bruce Lee.
AMEN LARRY. TRUTH!
we all got eyes, Bruce Lee's movements in movies demonstrations and such are beautiful movements so accurate n crisp. you can watch nobody's on UA-cam knocking people out in one punch all the time but Bruce Lee couldn't fight, if you think Bruce Lee couldn't fight your a joke. all humans can fight. the only people that hate on Bruce Lee are ignorant.
agreed
Bruce Lee got Chuck Norris started on film. I doubt Chuck disrespect Bruce, Chuck has always spoke good about Bruce in every way, just like many martial artist have. Bruce was indeed as it was said in one of his movies, extraordinary. I have yet to this day seen another artist copy what Bruce was capable of doing, and I've seen many videos of other artists, Bruce is still unmatched.
Sir, I just had to comment on your video, I really felt your testimony about your admiration for Bruce Lee, you are the first person to ever say he loved the man.
I have to admit that I love the man too and that I miss him although he died when I was only three years old. Thank you Grandmaster.
Bruce Lee's body build or type says nothing about his skill. Lots of people have incredible builds and they can't fight at all. Also the fact that chuck norris never answers the Bruce Lee question only shows that he shows respect for Lee. "I kicked his ass." Only an arrogant pick would ever utter those words.
kid... I have a lot of respect for chuck Norris. but you are lifting Bruce too high . he was only an actor.
you say, other people have a body like Bruce and can't fight. who cares ?
and you don't know anything either, cause all you have is movies. Bruce never once fought anyone real in a real live professional karate tournament. never won a karate tournament trophy.
+Trino Ponce who are you talking too? I was responding to the assertion made by this man that you don't need to look further than his body build to see that he was a great martial artist. A great body build doesn't say anything about someone's martial arts skill. I think Bruce Lee was overhyped. We have no way of knowing what his skill level would be since he never competed at a high level. Domonstrations and exhibitions mean nothing. That's like giving a boxing title to someone just based on sparring sessions.
+Martin Obregon .... ok.. we're in agreement, you can't tell anybody's skill level by looking at their body physic.
why Bruce chose never to participate in a live professional karate tournament, is beyond me.
watch youtube video "WAS BRUCE LEE A FAKE MARTIAL ARTS MASTER?"
Mortal Kombat .... Well I just don't believe / buy the idea that Bruce was the greatest like many people portray him. Especially when all we have is movies. Movies are all staged and rehearsed. Having never entered one professional karate tournament. He is dis-credited in my view and in my book.
BRUCE LEE !!LEGEND!!! SIMPLY THE BEST FOREVER!!................................................................................norris funky clown!
blackmore yngwie I was never a fan of chuck norris
Michael Cote no Your wrong they knew Bruce Lee very well nothing but respect
Pal' Your really stupid your so stupid you couldn't poor piss out of a boot with the directions on the heel! L.O.L Hell I've never even heard of this Rickson Gracie person I don't even know if it's a male of female. L.O.L Bruce lee! Yeah I heard of him. & Fuck Chuck too Mr Magoo he might be able to fight but nothing like Bruce Lee could & would do if he were still here today. It's one thing to say anything when face to face but to bad mouth anyone after they died & is gone is just wrong! That's what I call Cowardly brave! If you have nothing good to say, just say nothing! You reveal yourself as a bully & I train people to Bully Proof tap n tag fight training.
Chuck Norris fought for real in competitions. Lee only engaged in choreographered fights. Lee beat him on a film set where lee was the star and it was scripted for lee to win. If anyone is the clown/ actor it is lee. But I guess you don't see that because you think way of the dragon is not a film 😂😂🤣🤣
+MR Controversial yes.chuck fought for real in tournaments.REAL POINTS,since chucky was no full contact but POINT,haha.
I stumbled onto this area of you tube and was shocked that so many top fighters have such regard for Bruce Lee as I knew nothing of the subject. At the end I have watched your excellent post. What a wonderful tribute to Bruce Lee you have given.
It’s not just that he trained hard, he trained the smartest. You fight the way you train
If Joe Lewis the karate champion who was Bruce's first choice pick to fight in the collisiuem didn't turn down the role of the antagonist nobody would even know who Chuck Norris is today. If Bruce was still alive today Chuck would be shitting in his pants.
True, very true
chuck norris wasn't any different than bruce lee. they both respected the other one and they both thought highly of themselves.
Chuck was not on Bruce's level. Karate is too stiff and lacks the fluidity and footworke that Bruce developed.
Got it right..Especially in today's environment. Bruce Lee's timing, speed and agility is what set him apart from most. Thank you Frank.
Christopher Cochran Were you on drugs when you posted this comment?? On the same level?? Chuck Norris isn't even in the same building as Bruce Lee. If Chuck Norris is a well built House. Bruce Lee is a a superior archetype High Rise building
+reginald stroud sorry mr stroud but you got more caucasian in you than african.
slim Jim bham Bruce Lee is the goat bottom line take that as it is Chuck or anyone else can match that
He never respected because Bruce beat him all the time . He asked Bruce to teach him his moves . In the 70s he made a quote on tv that he would like to beat Bruce just one time when they used to spar . Chucks ego is what kept him from ever learning all from Bruce
Thank you for sharing your thoughts
Chuck Norris is a point fighting movie star, Bruce Lee was a lethal martial artist that dedicated his life to being the best he could be, you can't compare these two men.
Chuck is a cookie cutter fighter just like John Saxon. This brother is teaching the flat out truth Bruce Lee is a legend and Chuck may be able to fight but Bruce has all the accolades and taught me to defend myself. I got my ass kicked in and out until I studied Bruce Lees thunder kicks and his enthusiasm gave me the edge I needed to make a difference in my life. . Chuck outweighs Bruce by a good 40 50 lbs so if he sat on Bruce, it may be game over, other than that, Chuck does not impress me
michael delaney Actually, Chuck has all the accolades. Chuck won multiple world titles, while Bruce Lee never had a sanctioned bout. Guys like Chuck, Joe Lewis, Bill Wallace, Mike Stone, and Gene Lebell were all fighting regularly. Bruce had some interesting ideas on martial arts, and seems to have been a decent teacher, but the hero worship is ridiculous. In addition to Chuck's multiple black belts in Korean Martial Arts, he also holds black belts in judo and in BJJ under the Machado bros. Those are serious accolades.
CrossingFist I don't doubt that Chuck could beat Bruce Lee, but what I do know, is that Bruce was an inspiration to millions and Chuck is but the shadow of Bruce. What made him inspirational in my opinion was his size, where he gave hope to those of us who are not carrying around 200lbs. He inspired blacks, whites, mexican alike but as you say he was more of a silver screen fighter but that wasn't really my point. Not to mention that I was only 13 or so when he made his presence known, where I and many like myself did not weight in on the fact that he was an actor more than he was a fighter.
michael delaney I'm a fan of Bruce Lee's movies, though guys like Donnie Yen and Jet Li have taken the movie martial arts to a much higher level. 20 years ago, when I was a martial arts newb, Bruce blew me away. Now, I've met enough world class guys, both in sport styles like BJJ and traditional styles like Chen taijiquan, that I'm more impressed by legit skill than charisma and mystique. Bruce was quick and athletically talented. I'm 5'7", and 150 lbs dripping wet, so I get being inspired by the little guy, but Bruce was an actor who practiced martial arts and taught a bit (without his Sifu's permission). Chuck was a world champion fighter, who was given an acting break by his good friend Bruce Lee. Different categories, and I respect both men for what they are/were.
CrossingFist Very true, but as I said, it was his inspiration that led to me being able to defend myself, not sure if I would have ever been touched by Jet Li or guys like Van Dam for the very reason that they didn't inspire me as did Bruce. I am also 5 7 but I was able to kick a guy who took out a Machete out of his boot at a street corner on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood where at a stand still I kicked the guy to the double yellow line without winding up as Bruce Lee usually does when he through his thunder kick, if it wasn't for him I would have been in wooden box
CrossingFist You could go as far as saying that I owe Bruce Lee a huge debt of gratitude even if he was superficial to some degree, be well.
I have read up on Mr. Chuck Norris and his Martial Arts background. Here is something which caught my attention and interest while reading about Mr. Norris. As I understand, Mr. Norris was serving in the U.S. Air Force and was stationed in S. Korea for one year. Mr. Norris was a student of Judo or something to that effect when he suffered an injury to his shoulder or arm. He then found either Tae Kwon Do or Tang So Do while in S. Korea. Mr. Norris seems to have studied the art of Tae Kwon Do or Tang So for at least seven (7) months. Here is my question. If in fact Mr. Norris made his black belt in S. Korea during that tour, how did he manage to achieve the rank of black belt in under one year? I wonder if anyone out there might clear this up for me?
That's a great point, i'll check into it
Thank u Sir. I also studied Martial Arts in S. Korea when I was a soldier. I was in country for over 12 years in total. I studied TKD, Hapkido, and other Korean style martial arts. it took me over 8 years to make my 2nd Dan in Hapkido- its very difficult to learn but it was fun. I made my 1st Dan in TKD in that time as well. They Martial Arts program in S. Korea is very serious... fact is, there is no program where any Korean Grand Master can promise you a Black Belt in any time period, because we all learn at different paces... Finally, in S. Korea its not about money. it is actually about learning the Martial Arts well...
Rick H Thank you very much for the feedback Rick. I hope you are still active, and in good health. Take care of yourself and continue to watch. -brother teacher
Thank you for your kind words Master Stroud- Rock Steady... HOOAH
Rick H You are very welcome and the same to you.as well.
I thank you and respect you for giving your viewpoint, but I've personally heard Chuck Norris give Bruce Lee much respectful credit on numerous occasions. Never is a powerful word. Bruce Lee was a phenomenal martial artist, but his popularity exploded in the early 70's as the result of his movies, and the fighting skills he displayed in those movies, in which he repeatedly defeated dozens of attackers at once . He was 5"7 and 135 pounds...you can't compare his fighting skills to those of a taller and heavier individual of a different weight class. It's difficult to say what his actual fighting skills were with no actual real fighting footage to go on, we can only speculate. We do know that he had a vast amount of martial arts knowledge which is evident from his books, and we do know how fast he was from the videos of his demonstrations, but again, I reiterate, without footage of him actually fighting, we can only speculate. I have heard both Chuck Norris and Bob Wall talk about actually training with Bruce Lee, and neither of them were disrespectful in their words about training with him or his skills. It has been my understanding from Chuck Norris that his movie career was encouraged by actor Steve McQueen. I have the greatest respect for Bruce Lee, and what he did for martial arts, and I have the greatest respect for Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis. Gichen Funakoshi, Fumio Demura, Dr Tsuyoshi Chitose , Jhoon Rhee, William Dometrich, Hidy Ochiai, Bong Soo Han, Park Hyuk Kusae, Hu Lee, Hee Il Cho, Aaron Banks, Yip Man, Dan Inosanto, and the multitude of other martial arts pioneers who paved the way for many of us to learn our beloved martial arts. There is no need for any of us to argue, debate, or speculate who is better than the other. That is not what martial arts is all about.
Bruce Lee is the GOAT period. If everyone on earth was asked "If you could have any fighter on earth whether alive or moved on and in his prime, to train you from childhood till now; who would it be?" Bruce would get 95% of the worldwide vote. A mere 51% would qualify as the GOAT. He deserves a statue in China and the U.S.
Sorry, hate to burst your bubble but you never ever ever introduce yourself as Grand master. That is for others to bestow on you and call you.
I disagree with you ...he's a grandmaster & there's nothing wrong abt that ...if you approach some one in the military and you have no idea what's his /her rank , is it wrong if he or she mentioned his position in the job ?!!! besides the guy said that he's also known as brother teacher...the guy is humble....I teach MA ...but I don't let my students call me by my name ...that's about RESPECT & ETIQUETTE ... ..nothing more ...not to mention some of my sts their names are the same
I disagree with you ...he's a grandmaster & there's nothing wrong abt that ...if you approach some one in the military and you have no idea what's his /her rank , is it wrong if he or she mentioned his position in the job ?!!! besides the guy said that he's also known as brother teacher...the guy is humble....I teach MA ...but I don't let my students call me by my name ...that's about RESPECT & ETIQUETTE ... ..nothing more ...not to mention some of my sts their names are the same
With all due respect...I understand your point and appreciate your comment but according to who's standard. We are in America and not Asia. Also, it is the spirit in which one presents his or herself not simply the tradition of some other man's system or tradition. I have the utmost respect for the arts , but at the same time ,will not allow anyone to define me. I define who and what i am, not some other man's tradition..With all due respect to you..no ill intent, and thank you.
Thank you for your response on my behalf. I find that often times people want to find fault in you and are not interested in the subject you are presenting. If anyone follows my body of work and videos, they see that i speak against wearing rank on their sleeve and that i am not caught up by it. I have even said that there is only one real master,and that is the creator Allah/Yahweh(god). Any title that we possess on this earth is of no importance to the creator, only to us, and when die, so do the titles that were given by men . Bless you and thanks again.-brother teacher
+reginald stroud
You are welcome sir ....and your reply reflects how pure , righteous, humble & God fearing human....I hope the best for you & all good ppl no matter who they are or they're from 🎩
Not really upstanding your thoughts here, sir, Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee could beat up anyone on earth, including himself. When they first met fifty years ago, they became fast friends, also training together.
Terry Graham You're wrong...Chuck said himself no one can beat bruce
Alum 777 ; pls read my statement again. That's what I said. Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee could beat up anyone on earth, including himself (himself being Norris) :) ---
Alum 777 ; pls read my statement again. That's what I said. Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee could beat up anyone on earth, including himself (himself being Norris) :) ---
This man is ready for retirement home!!!
For individuals that choose to go into Martial Arts Bruce Lee is the gold standard.
Grand Maxter you are right about Bruce Lee
People talking bad don’t show no respect for Bruce Lee, Like Jim Carry says Bruce Lee is untouchable
This man says he doesn't give opinions and then not only does he get on politics, his whole video is his own opinion! And he is a racist!
Agreed
you notice he finely got around to calling all white people racist alot of people do this thing about b/l but no one ever can produce a film of lee fighting someone or even sparring someone. this guy keeps calling everyone brother,then turns around and bad mouths everyone.
I don't think you sir Reginald Stroud have any respect for Chuck Norris, he is a great martial artist and over the years i have never heard him say a bad thing about Bruce lee but only good things..that should be enough to show that he respected the man. And why should he always have to praise Bruce Lee. Chuck Norris was a world champion before he even stared in Return of the dragon.Bruce Lee was the one who called chuck Norris because Chuck was a world champion at the time..Chuck has always said that they were good friends and they worked out together, kicked bags, punched bags together, and that Bruce made the fight scene look like two gladiators were fighting each other..He does not have to say anymore than that, that's good enough.Others like Joe Lewis don't even say that or Michael Jai White and more. But i respect all these fighters, i think they are all great and they don't have to praise Bruce Lee all the time.We know Bruce was great too..
Rufus Here Chuck Norris was Bruce Lees student. Not even close to being equal. Bruce learned a lot from other teachers, but it certainly wasnt Norris.
Haters Bruce Lee is the Master he still is and always will be the Greatest
Thanks Mr Stroud I admire your honesty, thoughtfulness and truthfulness. God Bless You.
BEING Middle Eastern in decent, of Lebanese extraction, whose ancestors were proven by the Genographic Project of the National Geographic Society to the Canaanites/Phoenicians, I of course take offense to this man's racist Afrocentric revisionism @10:00. If he knew anything about the peoples of the Levant, then he would know that we are indigenous to it, and that we are also Caucasoid in race and of the Mediterranean extraction, not Negroids.
the people in the levant today are not the same people who are there back then the bible describes jesus having wolly hair skin of bronze that had been burned in a furnace that you just your comment didnt even make sice because you just said that you come from the caucasoid race who is the johnny come late of the human race
no different from egypt white people always claim egypt when egytp is in africa the people who live there now are arabs who are occupying egypt
DominicanManowarFan WELL, said, friend, but people such as this who adhere to racist ignorance will never take the truth the comes from DNA even.
D. Magnus the oldest dna is african white scientist say that
Rome 6400
WRONG, genius. If you were learned, you would know that anthropologists simply say that humankind that it's genesis in East Africa.
Now, if you're implying that Negroids engendered nonblacks, as many black racists do to justify their black supremacy, then in actuality you're saying that we nonwhites are the next stage of human evolution and the rightful heirs of the Earth. :)
BRUCE LEE IS THE BEST MASTER OF OUR TIME BUT CHUCK NORRIS L ALL WAYS THINK OF THE FIGHT SEEN TOGETHER WITH BRUCE LEE IN THE WAY OF THE DRAGON VERY COOL
I agree with you Arthur and thank you for commenting
IF IT WAS NOT FOR BRUCE LEE L DO NOT THINK CHUCK NORRIS WOULD OF GOT IN MOVIES IT WAS THAT FIGHT SEEN THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER EVERY TIME L SEE HIM IN FILMS L ALL WAYS THINK OF THE FIGHT WITH BRUCE LEE
arthur nas Very good point Arthur and you are right. Many people in the martial arts that were around Bruce Lee, became more popular than they would have ever been. Thank you for the response. -brother teacher
l love martial arts a lot and because of Bruce lee and others l practise at home all work my martial arts and that is wing chun plus l add in a few other things too and that keeps me happy and l am 61 years of age
BRUCE LEE WAS THE BEST AND L WOULD SAY HE WOULD OF BEATON CHUCK NORRIS IN A REAL FIGHT
Real fighters are gone forever, but point fighters are alive.
Damn! Ole "Chuck" has been a HATER this whole time?! No surprise really. This man is speaking from his soul so I know it too be true. Zero emotion, all facts!
Why did Chuck Norris and Joe Lewis hate on Lee?
They didn't hate Bruce Lee. This is just your mind trying to deal with the truth, while at the sametime coming up with other fake reasons for what I am telling you to be untrue, sorry. Bruce Lee died of complication due to the over use of anabolic steroids. Sorry if this is hard to take, but there so many things not told to us and true history hidden from us. I mean look at "Hidden Figures". Hell do you think I am not mad about how I was never told about Black women working at NASA?? I got into the Martial Arts because of Bruce Lee like so many others. Do you think I was happy to learn the true cause of his death??? Blacks believe too much in the U.S. They would rather build Bruce Lee up as some great Martial Artists, than give the credit due to the many really talented Black Martial Artists that he (Bruce Lee) himself learned from. Bruce Lee's first student in the U.S. was Black, and taught him all about rhythms of our people. But even he was written out of the Bruce Lee story or given a minor roll at best.
Amen Rahh What evidence do you have to support your claims?
I'm not claiming anything, THESE ARE THE FACTS. Many of you just need to let your brains move past the denial stage, so give a few months.
Amen Rahh BL sparred and beat the best of his time FACT!
Amen Rahh You seem like a smart guy...take the time to do the reasearh
Joe Lewis, Gene Lebelle, and Chuck Norris told the truth.
+elixon lopez
"Joe Lewis, Gene Lebelle, and Chuck Norris told the truth."
What are you referring to?
Who cares about what others say negatively, Bruce Lee is phenomenal and will always be on the highest level in my opinion...
I've heard Chuck Norris give respect to Bruce Lee, and even heard him say Bruce Lee would have kicked his ass in a street fight.
Thank you for posting this video Mr.Stroud. I've felt the same way for a long time and the conclusion I've come to is that Chuck Norris has a big ego. If we look at what Bob Wall has said about Bruce, where he has only spoken respectfully, graciously and lovingly of Bruce and Bob Wall is one of the greatest karate champions ever, as we all know, then it is disappointing to see Chuck Norris and some other champions negating Bruce Lee's abilities and legacy.
Yes, you are more than welcome. Regardless of the negative comments i have received about my comment, still doesn't change the truth. As i have said before, i am not saying Norris didn't like Bruce Lee, but he took advantage of the exposure that Lee afforded him. When asked in interviews about his and Bruce Lee's sparring or training together, Norris always switched to him being a 'WORLD CHAMPION'. It has only been in recent years that Norris and many others have started to give Bruce Lee his due, if you want to call it that, but they didn't do it during the seventies, eighties and nineties. Many of them are getting old and now i believe they have gotten all the success they are going to get, so now they mention Lee's ability.
Thanks for your kind remarks..
CHUCK NORRIS, & BRUCE LEE WERE CLOSE FRIENDS. !!. BRUCE ASK CHUCK TO STAR IN A MOVIE WITH HIM !!. IF HE DID NOT LIKE BRUCE ?. THAT WAS THE TIME TO TURN HIM DOWN. !!!. THE FIGHT SCENE WAS ONE OF THE BEST.!!!. LET'S STOP THIS B.S. & HATE . !!!.SEE CHUCKS NORRIS INTERVIEWS. !!!.CHUCK IS A VERY RESPECTFUL PERSON. !!!. & HAS DONE VERY WELL BY HIMSELF. !!!.😠😲😨👍💕👍💖..
People who say that Bruce Lee was not a qualified martial artist and demote him of being just a movie star, know squad about him. He had tons of fight and street fights in his younger years. But that's typical. People who know the least always want to know better.
I agree with you sensei 100 percent. norris always makes fun of Bruce Lee in a lot of his movies. Bruce Lee somehow gave influences to the world of martial arts today.
Greetings.
Chuck's presence of mind was always part of a larger conservative machine bordering on supremacy anyway. That whole Tang Soo Do crowd within the exclusive Korean circuit in the sixties...Chuck and Bob.. they both studied a Korean system with kicks coming from Northern Chinese kung fu which Bruce was already aware of and practicing which was why Chuck's hip chambered delivery coupled with the knowledge of Chuck's art background made for fertile conversation about...guess what...kicks.Most Koreans downplay the kung fu influence in their style just as Gichin Funakoshi considered chinese kempo "downgrading" to shotokan. You think they wanted to give or admit any meaningful contribution by the kung fu "flowery form" guys? The Trias shorei-goju stable berated the soft styles until the kid upstart showed up and wouldn't shut up. Chuck and Bob used to refer to Bruce as "the kid". " I loved the kid", They were older than him. They could say that. Bruce was the kid in need of guidance in some areas and they were there to tutor him. Their age. Their style. Their ancestral instructors. Their Conservative elitism. Jeet Kune Do was Bruce. Bruce was Jeet Kune Do. But Chun kuk do ? Thats the true universal way for everyone. The way of the Chuck.
shihanUKS Very well said my friend. I am glad that i am not the only one that can see through the crap.Thanks ..brother teacher
shihanUKS you said that very well....I love chuck..... but he always seem kind of jealous !!!!!
MrSkie23 Yes not only Chuck was jealous, but many more...
+shihanUKS The fact is, all these so called point (games of tag) fighters went to Bruce after witnessing how awesome he was at tournament demonstrations. To be fair, Joe Lewis did actually take what he learned from Bruce into the full contact ring, with awesome results. However, according to Mito Uyehara, a student of Bruce, during demonstrations, Bruce would ALWAYS call out the names of all these so called "champions" to come up and try to block his attacks or spar with him, but they always declined, because they knew they were no match for Bruce's ability, even then in the mid 1960's. To be sure, the best so called fighters never came up and Bruce was forced to demonstrate on other sub par fighters (if you can even call them fighters) such as Vic Moore.
If anyone wants to know who trained who, check out the DVD Bruce Lee, A Warriors Journey and Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do. Both produced by John Little, who had permission to use material from the Lee estate, including specialized workout routines that were outlined by Bruce for Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis and Mike Stone, to name but a few.
Points well taken.
dude... who cares ??? you need to let it go.. I have a lot of respect for Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris is a good man.
+Trino Ponce This fool thinks everybody should worship Bruce Lee as he's some kind of prophet
Lee Ryan.... Very good point. I didn't see that. You're a good man Lee Ryan.
This man seems very honest and accurate in his assessment of bruce lee. Everything he says is on point..kudo to a true master.
Thank you my friend.
Norris would NEVER say that he was Lee's student. HE always says "We worked out together." The man is sickening!
Well, i think it is simply sad, when someone helps your career, the way that Bruce Lee did for so many, and they slap him in the face by not acknowledging what he did for them. Some tell me that these guys did state how good Lee was and his great contribution to the arts, but they never completely gave him proper credit, because of possibly making them appear smaller in stature. It is okay because the world knows. Thanks for comment Paul.
Reginald.
I always hear conflicting stories from people who really shouldn't be saying anything.( as you said in your video, if you don't have the right, solid information, keep it to yourself). But, I've also heard established martial artists say that Norris wasn't a student of sijo Lee. We both know that simply isn't the case. And you're right sir, it would be a lot different had Bruce survived his unfortunate, untimely death. I've studied JKD for the past 33 years, and as a practitioner of Sijo Lee's art, it still baffles me how he just can't get the respect he so rightly deserves. Joe Lewis seems to have completely turned on Bruce before he passed. And Norris talking about how it was he that started Bruce kicking higher than the waist. It's just complete nonsense. I saw one particular interview with Chuck, and again it was all about himself. ( like you said, he IS a republican). But the interviewer asked if they ever really mixed it up, and Norris said, "Well, I was the world champion, and Bruce wasnt. Then he said,
"But he was good, he was good." That man is just nauseating! It's just sad all around. Anyway sir, I want to thank you for your video. I found you a very fair, decent informative man, who gives it straight. I respect you, and your contribution to the martial arts grandmaster. Peace to you sir, and may God bless you...