In the late ‘80s and early ‘90s, these “Judgement Day” types of plays were held at local churches in my area (located in the Bible Belt, no surprise). And they were often geared toward teenagers, as most of the examples of people who had died were destined for Hell. Once the fate of the young person was determined, a large metal-looking door guarded by a demonic figure would then somewhat violently escort the person to the door, at which point smoke from the onstage smoke machine would billow from the inside of the opening out, and the poor soul would be thrown inside and have the heavy door slammed shut behind them. When I tell you that this experience was traumatic for me…I’m now 47 years of age and I still struggle to this day with talking about this stage production without getting chills several times having to take breaks simply because of the intensity of the nostalgia. Yet my mother insisted I experience this play several times, as many as it takes, in order to get the message across and for me to become and “saved”. So after that 3rd or 4th showing, I would approach one of the church elders and ask how I get saved. I began the process and started going through the motions as instructed…however, after taking a bathroom break, I’d sneak out and leave the premises, due strictly to the sheer intensity of the process. Looking back, this seems like borderline child abuse. I spent the next several years - from age 12 until about 18 - under the thumb of such intense anxiety that I would go on to leave the church completely and claim atheism for several years. But more significant than that, this insane approach to understanding a religion that is intended to offer ultimate peace, as well as, increase one’s divine capacity and ability to love his fellow man unconditionally, almost caused my undoing completely. And all before I even had the opportunity to legally drive a car, serve in the military, or buy a lottery ticket lol.
Kids shouldn’t be subject to these kinds of graphic performances. It would be one thing if they were fictional, but to frame it as truth and induce that child’s fear instincts is a whole other issue. It’s wrong and it disgusts me. I’m sorry you also had to endure that 🙏🏻
Thank you and thank you for this channel! I subbed within 2 mins of beginning the video lol. Yeah, honestly my only regret is that I can’t go back and watch that performance as an adult. It wasn’t a bad show in and of itself, but rather became harmful bc of those who either intentionally or unintentionally weaponized it’s message in order to influence a sort of spiritual shortcut from a tepid/lukewarm desire to know God to this blazing hot seed-spreader. But obvi, methodology matters…not simply a means to an end.
thats pretty heavy. my dad was in the navy and always out at sea. no memories of him at the house growing up. my mom decided to start going to church and made me and my siblings all go. she met a man there a really nice christian man with 3 really nice christian sons. they befriended our family and before long he would turn into our families baby sitter. he was a man of God and was very serious about church and his penis. he not only molested me, but. my brother and my three sisters separately of course but also had an affair with my mom. it wasnt until I was in my 40's that I asked my dad why they got divorced and he told me. my mom remarries 3 times and all losers. one physically abused her. nothing happened to him except a restraining order on our family 500 feet. thats it. we got no therapy or counciling just back to our lives as normal. in that same church a woman went crazy and was running up and down the hallway during Sunday school and she was screaming and smashing windows that were on the classroom doors with her arm. blood was everywhere. ive never felt comfortable in a church or around religious people and never will. cause they hate me anyways. out of all 5 siblings im the only one that ended up being gay. later to discover most people hate us and want us dead. ive never shared this and nervous about hitting the send button and thanks to religion thats my reality. actually I dont know whats compelling me to write this but ill hit send anyways and hope no one says a bunch of mean stuff to me making me regret sharing.. so here goes. I guess I am sharing because you did.
@@s.f.morris7331 my dear friend I was truly moved by your story and my heart breaks for what you had to go through. I do hope that the present day finds you well in spite of the horrors you had to go through. May those that did harm to you through that church get what they deserve. Much love to you, dear friend.
This is one of the major reasons why I left Christianity, it made no sence how someone would be tortured for eternity for being ignorant during this short lifetime, also when the cee vid hit I saw the fear in alot of these preachers who were running to get poked in their arm it helped me see that their was no true faith or power in what they were preaching.
Yeah and I'm not gonna be lectured to by another human, who is probably dummer than me, and just as ignorant about the afterlife. Religion to me is just an intuitive thing. Golden rule shit.
@@Alkemist369 A true Christian is a person who possesses unwavering faith in Jesus Christ, and who lives and communes with the Holy Spirit, all the days of their life. John 10:27-28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
I asked Hecate to please show me my dog after she died and she did.... happy as ever running around chasing squirrels in a field. She (Luna my dog who passed) also gave me a love bite one night on my finger when I was in bed... I knew it was her because of her vibe. I seriously doubt she didn't believe in Jesus or any religion yet she did not go to hell 😂😂😂. Some of the most amazing experiences these were... seeing her waiting for me to join her when it is my time. No need for anyone to be afraid of what happens to use after we leave.. just try your best to have the best life you can :). Intent is everything. "Life starts after we die".
I've had many visions in meditation which involve passing through water into an underworld. I recall wondering how I will manage to breathe once I enter the water, then being surprised that I actually can. They have always been pleasant experiences.
I recently had a dream where I died and had to pass through a cave. I was in my glowing fire woman faceless astral form but this time my crotch was blacked out. Another unexpected twist was I met Loki. I was probably in Hel's realm. Me and Loki have a history.
I'm a non-denominational Christian. As a child, the neighbors would always say everyone is going to Hell, even if they believed in Jesus Christ. That scared me so bad, which made me a target for night terrors. I was so petrified, even hearing the word "ghost" or "haunting" scared me. As an adult, I've noticed that a lot of churches fear monger the people, and they don't really explain any spiritual aspects, beside demons this, God that, when there is so much more to it. It's very spiritual. If anyone wants to protect themselves, they need to know about the darker aspects, so they can properly arm themselves and know what they're up against. Even the Bible says to practice discernment and test the spirits, if something doesn't feel right. No one can do that, if they're told that it's bad, and that's it. As I got older, I started researching and praying for answers. I found clarity and understanding. It's not going to be the same for everyone, but for some, it might be. I realized that I don't need to go to church to learn about God bcuz He is everywhere. A lot of what happens spiritually, is bcuz of intentions and beliefs. A lot of people turn away from God completely bcuz of the damnation amongst the church and it's people. God wouldn't turn someone away, when seeking guidance. God isn't hateful or evil. God isn't a magician that caters to every whim. People often don't understand free will. People who are supposed to lead the church on God's behalf, often can't answer questions that a lot of people are seeking answers to, and some often commit heinous acts in the name of God, which also turns people off. I try to stay open minded and learn about every aspect of spirituality, bcuz it brings me closer to the truth and closer to God, in MY experience. What I've stated above, is my own experiences and what I've gathered over the years of searching for answers. I'm also spiritually sensitive and an empath. I'm no longer afraid of the spiritual.
The action is more demonic than righteous person! Even if I don’t follow religion, I never force my beliefs! I respect their free will to decide from themselves with information at hand! Jesus said that don’t judge till you get judge! In the Bible, he is a mentor and guidance with his actions, not just words! I believe that Jesus will not subject people to this kind of psychological torture to force to obey! This kind of environment make people rebellious and hated God, thus make demon more powerful! They unintentionally strengthen demonic being through that kind of brainwashing!
@@paulminh3525 yes, exactly! I don't turn people away bcuz of their spiritual beliefs or a lack there of. If someone is good to me and is a good person in general, then I end up being close with them. They know their choices and it's not up to me to be the judge of that. It would be nice to see more open-minded people who can really look outside of themselves and accept people for who they are and stand together bcuz life is so short and there's too much negativity in our world as it is. You're absolutely right. The negative entities are def absorbing energy from those who claim to be of God, but they're projecting so much negativity, which makes them a buffet for parasitic spirits.
That's one of the reasons I don't go to church. The church and Vatican are created for money only. It's no surprise that the mafia did money laundering using the Vatican bank. And they didn't do anything, only when the media got on this ,the Vatican was lying to save their poor ass
@@dumbheadizeseveral years back I had a dream, btw I dream a lot always did. This dream was interesting because I never dreamed anything similar before or after that, I saw a woman who looked exactly like me, I was inside a house with many windows or glass walls something like that and she was trying to get in to kill me, and she did get inside and the walls turned into normal walls and I was moving to the inner rooms without windows running away from her and she was trying to get to me, I don't remember that she did but then suddenly I saw myself in the kitchen and I was looking into a cup that was half full with sand and I kept looking at that sand and I felt like I was pulled into it and saw myself on a beach sitting in the sand
this is so psychologically manipulating and frankly abusive. i cant believe anyone would be so horrible as to say "your going to hell" to a small child in a church. it really goes to show the extent of how emotionally and sometimes physiologically damaging such a terrible dogma truly is. this religious trauma scars people for life, forever branding them with a symbol of unnecessary pain and death which they call "the cross" until they escape to freedom and heal their minds. as someone with religious trauma, this video made a lot of things go click for me. i found it shocking and it really made me realise just how damaging and awful it was to hear such lies growing up as a child. these lies where often shouted and even physically beaten into me. one time i had a panic attack and when the local christians found out, they said it was "god" punishing me for being pagan. what a terrible, awful and wretched thing to do to someone. the abrahamic religions are the prime example of the saying "creating your own demise" as they create hell for themselves, and then live in fear, wasting this divine earthly life we have been given. to my fellow survivors of religious abuse, Lucifer and his royal legion have loved humanity for centuries, and this is of highest excellence. however we must also learn to love ourselves. we must be kind to ourselves and have self compassion. to those of you still holding onto this fear, i promise you, without a single doubt, you will never ever go to "hell." its not real, its not a place, and it is a symbol of fear, torment, and control. do not brand yourself with the mark of slavery that is the cross. you deserve better. and i am so terribly sorry for what we have all been through because of their lies. Let Lucifer empower your black flame and may you be strong in your healing. christianity is about spreading fear, worsening anxiety, and then selling you a false cure. Luciferianism is about facing your fears, dismantling your fears, and setting yourself free whilst providing you with a genuine solution and remedy for the soul. christ truly is a wolf in sheep's clothing. this is genuinely sinister. the only way we can defeat this is if we stick together, love and forgive ourselves, and nurture ourselves on this healing journey. I love you, Lucifer loves you, and you have all the potential in the world to love yourself. all i can do is watch this video in both shock and awe, jaw dropped, and things going click. Its time you become your own god and this begins with healing. the LHP is purposely portrayed as dark and uncomfortable so that we may be free. think about it, they cant control us with hel if we are perfectly comfortable with all the darkness they may try and use against us. healing isn't linear so this will come with practice. I feel like this is what Lucifer has been trying to tell me for so long now. "god" is a personification of my childhood trauma and religious abuse. so at some point, inevitably, Lucifer is naturally going to start personifying healing, justice, and safety from that. and a loving and safe environment for children instead of this frankly abusive nonsense that comes from the church. if you read the bible, you'll notice it was the Jewish and later christians that killed "jesus," and that it was the Roman pagans that felt there was no need for violence. they basically killed him for themselves to then justify the slaughter of thousands others. Finally, there is no legitimate definitive proof the jesus was even a living human being. set yourself free with all this knowledge. when faced with hate, ask yourself "are these people truly happy with what they believe?" the answer is NO. they live in fear, sadness, and bitter resentment waiting to lash out at anything that doesn't conform to their indoctrination. sin is just another word for human nature. it is meant to be integrated not escaped. you deserve so much healing on the Left Hand Path and so much more. This is the most open and raw UA-cam comment i have posted in a very, very long time. don't ever doubt yourself and don't ever doubt your path. whatever that may be for you. one day, we will change the world with this knowledge, as the truth always wins. until then, we must go within to heal, recover, and integrate after such horrible lies. i am so truly grateful for this video and for this youtube channel, and i hope i was able to touch the heart of someone who stuck around long enough to read this entire comment. Just keep healing. follow your hearts every whim and desire, and let Lucifer shine the torch. i think i finally know what Luciferianism means to me now. And i think the son of dawn has been trying to tell me this for a very, very long time. Ave Lucifer. he truly is the light bringer and a very loving being in his own heavy metal, tough shit way. May you find peace and serenity on your path, whatever your heart may choose to follow. blessings of healing be upon you in this balance of light and dark. I am sending you all big hugs!
Your comment is beautiful. Also, is so sad how they treated you. Saying a panic attack is possession or punishment by god... ugh, its so sadistic and horribly damaging to mental health, really messed up shit.
Actually, like it or not, scaring kids was always a common practice among parents and grandparents. Not only with religion. In Portugal, parents would also say to their kids that if they didn't behave, gypsies would come and take them.
@@HeathenDance exactly bro it is disgusting. children should focus on being children and my life would have been a whole lot better if I was never introduced to christianity.
If you look at near death experiences you will see that about 4 out of 10 experiences are of a terrifying kind. I believe these to be true experiences because people describe what was happening in the waiting room while they were dead.
How can you believe something to be true when you’ve not experience it yourself? Also, for every 1 negative NDE, there are 1,000 where the individual experiences a state of peace they didn’t want to leave behind. I, myself, have had 4 different experiences where I died after overdosing on prescription opiates…all 4 of which requiring the immediate intervention of medical personnel via CPR…but despite flatlining more than 10 times cumulatively, never experienced anything whatsoever.
@@soyburglar77yeah I've also been through the exact same thing and I personally have no memory of anything at all..... I think it's our judgement of ourselves and our beliefs that shape what experiences we have in the spirit realm.... Or at least those aspects play into it in big ways imo
@@soyburglar77that's probably because you weren't actually dying...how can you say what another saw when you seen or felt nothing??? See how ignorance cuts both ways for different people?
The underworld has many levels theirs a place thats heaven like another thats a bit less heavenly but still very nice, a mundane place, then after that the levels of "hell" begin and get worse depending on how evil a person was in life. Most people do not go to the "hellish" parts of the underworld after death. Those parts are only for the very disturbed and depraved to rethink thier choices.
Helhiem in Norse Pagen is not a bad place like in the Chrstian lie about hell. Helhiem is named for the Goddess who rules over the realm. Helhiem is a good place, not a bad one.
Well it's neutral in norse mythology not in Christain mythology and op seems to be using an lingustic fallacy hell is just the translation of hades sheol and tartarus there not all the same tartarus is the prison chamber for the watchers and the nephelim hades is is the tempoary storage chamber for the dead sheol is the land of the dead where both the good and the bad went to but even then the lord partitioned it with abrahams bosom. Just cause similar terminology is used doesn't mean it's the same same terminology completely different dictationary it's like saying a daemon is the same as a demon because they sound the same well no there different from different theologies we don't accept zeus daemons or the greek myths are true we simple think they are the fables of man made up by people
That is not quite accurate. In Helheim there is a subrealm called Nastrond. There the sentient corpses of the punished souls are to be constantly chewed by the dragon Nidhoggr, until Ragnarok occurs.
I was raised in the church and attended christian school five days a week, and church on Sunday from the moment I was in kindergarten. I am now an adult and the older I get the more terrified I become of dying and spending eternity in hell. This fear has been ingrained in me so deeply and from such a young age, I can't seem to shake it.
God has not given us the spirit of fear but of power and of love and a sound mind. Know Christ, know good and love others. Minister when you can or simply give out gospel tracts as I do. As you walk in this world your feet will always get dirty. At 62 I know that and pray daily to be washed in the blood for the remission of sin. You know God... Fear nothing and walk. God bless
I think it's because it says he wants you to be born again. like a child in the eyes of god. why? because children are more controllable than adults with logic, experience and question things. children dont. in theory. and then the parents do it to their kids and force their beliefs on them thus indoctrinating them into a fear based religion/society.
Free yourself from christianity's mental slavery and heaven-hell paradigm by studying the occult and following your will above everything else, don't let others define what's right or wrong, good or bad, true or false, do it yourself...
And that's why I'm not a Christian, too much fear mongering. So much for "free agency" Lilith chose banishment, but they tried to drag her back to the garden.
@@c.antoniojohnson7114 Christianity, as Judaism and Islam are Saturnian and Archontic cults. By definition, they are based on fear mongering. There's literally no way out of this.
There's a huge difference of working WITH Hell and being IN Hell. I astral travel a lot in my meditations and I go into Heavenly realms, Hellish realms, and places in-between. No matter where I go I'm always trying to help heal spirits, or to help heal environments that I visit. I never go anywhere without Love by my side in everything that I do. Make something better than how you found it. You will be known by the fruits you produce. I have protection from Arch Angels and Arch Demons, if you truly have love in your heart, does it matter so much about picking sides, or is it satisfying to help and be of benefit to all beings in the universe no matter what they are or where they reside?
It's funny you should mention that. This morning during meditation I got shown a sacred place similar to a place of paradise but for demons. They told me that this place is not mentioned in any human books, but only demons can access it by following principles like truth, loyalty, integrity, love, service to others, etc... There are so many different layers to explore and visit in the astral you can go to as many places as your mind will allow you to go. One of the demons there told me something like 'All demons live in darkness, but not all demons are consumed by darkness.' I absolutely love the conversations that I have with all sorts of spiritual beings.@@c.antoniojohnson7114
Now that I think about it,this video speaks to me. As a Scorpio, I've always been fascinated by death and the underworld. It's appropriate that Scorpio is all about death and transformation.
It would be amazing if the Christians who were biblical literalists with regard to subjects like this also applied their literalist views to all of the other teachings of Jesus Christ - especially those regarding loving your fellow man, treating others with the utmost respect, and showing a divine level of kindness to “the least of these” - the world would be a much better place.
Well true love tells the whole truth even pointing out the errors of someone's ways and warning them the eternal consequences that goes with it. Jesus warns about sin and hell.
@@dumbheadize I don't know if you've noticed, considering how ignorant you seem, but this isn't the place for preaching your ridiculous ideology. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Fantastic video and thank you for your time to put this together. When you mentioned about mirrors and shadows, as a child I would have reoccurring dreams of approaching a full length mirror and walking through to the other side. The other side had shades of grey and black and an opposite. I also remember feeling watery mist from fog touch my skin, it was quiet and I felt safe. It was around this time I was attending the church across the street from where I lived. I left the church in my early teens as I just couldn't connect or resonate with Christian beliefs and felt a pull to research witchcraft, I self initiated into Wicca at the age of 15 and have been a witch ever since, I'm 49 yrs old at the time of this video. I love mirrors to this day and scry using black mirrors, and an black obsidian crystal ball. I know many people who fear mirrors to this day. Also to add, my son and husband passed away (different times) and I would dream visit my deceased family in this shadowy realm and we would speak telepathically. The one reoccurring theme that was discussed was they were in University, on the other side.
Man, It’s fascinating to me how many people turn away from the church based on their experiences growing up in the church. By instilling such fear and rigorously trying to keep a child faithful to Christ, they’ve ultimately severed that relationship and their Childrens faith. It’s heartbreaking.
@@serpentinesecrets6771 based on your experience, I suppose so. I never experienced that growing up so I can only speak about folks I know and of course what you see on here.
Thank you for having the courage to speak on this. Many people leave christianity but they continue to carry the shame based ideologies and so fail to truly free themselves. This channel is inspiring 🖤
Thank you Cipher Grove for enlightening people. I was abused and neglected by Christians growing up in foster care aka legalized form of child trafficking done by the state. I was removed from my biological family and placed in a much worse one than that of my pill popping incipient alcoholic mother.
I think Hell exists here on earth if you choose to live their. Its extremely personalized i might add so its extremely difficult to crawl out of..I used to be a iv using junkie, my 14 year old son Jacob passed away from a heroin overdose while he was in state custody on the foster parents heroin. One is my step daughter I helped raise. I was clean when he passed. I now skirt the edges of the abyss and look in at everyone i know still trapped there. It took me awhile to get out of there..baby steps in the same tracks that you got in but in reverse. There is a way out if you believe there is .
I love you brother, I can't fathom your pain. I'm proud of you for conquering your addiction and I'm sorry what was taken from you. My heart goes out to you and your family🤍
Sorry about your son. And God bless you. Hell is chaos and yes your metaphor about life being hell sometimes is true. However, the hell Jesus speaks of is a place for people who reject God. If you think the free will gift God gave you makes you feel like God enough to reject Him that's when it is a problem.
@@johnpilaccio6408 life and everything else around us every single moment is a blessing. Some are blessings in disguise that ultimately steer you in the right direction. My church is being immersed in God's creation, raw nature , that's where I feel connected. Not thru some words outta a man made book in a man made building. That is tainted and not pure like I experience amongst gods masterpieces.
I'm new to this channel and I have to say thank you for opening my eyes I've always been a lonewolf even when I'm around people I'm still by myself I found extreme comfort being alone you learn who you are and once you do that you realize you don't need people in your life btw I am a Scorpio and proud of it.. so being dead sounds a lot like being alive. Thank you Cipher Grove looking forward to seeing the next video
I was raised in Western NC. The buckle, of the "Bible belt". I was traumatized as a child as well with dramatic plays of hell.. It always felt wrong to me. I also saw how fear based control of people didn't make them become a better person. So ignorant.
Yes this is the best yt channel I have found in a very long time I know this channels message is just for a few who is open minded and are seeking truth
As I began to separate myself from my family's Christian beliefs, it really surprised me how terrified I actually was (and still kind of am) of the idea of Hell. I only began to be afraid of that place once I began to try to not be/not believe in it. (As before then it wasn't really on my mind much) I'm still working through it but I've gotten far
Hello, I am really enjoying your videos. I don't know yet where I am on my journey and I might schedule a consultation with you soon. However, for the purposes of this video I am wondering. How is it possible for loved ones to be able to visit and communicate woth us after they have moved on to the after life. I ask because the spurits of my loved ones often speak to me
I really love this channel, I have watched all the videos so far. And I have had similar experiences as you. I think the one thing that you have not mentioned that is key to truly understanding spirituality is identity. And how our modern society has a serious problem with false identities which are practically a spiritual possession. One takes on an identity and feels the need to defend that identity. I would like to hear your thoughts on that.
The experience you're describing in the caves is called a "hell house", and is purposely filled with Protestant propaganda. I've never seen one in a cave, but have been to two of these events. Even at my most naive, I entered expecting to be moved, but came out frustrated and confused. Why would we need to scare people into accepting scripture? Because accepting scripture on purely rational grounds is untenable. Make no mistake, eternal/infinite punishment for finite crimes is both immoral and unjust.
In a dream I fell through some circular chasm that was very strange. ended up plunging into a strange liquid pool that had unexplainable viscous layer to the top and had some weird layers beneath and ended up in some sort of black smokey void. I was looking down on a room that was of someone whom I loved that I was having a horrible departing with. no roof, just peering in on some belongings and feeling this horrible disconnect and longing for them. It was extremely vivid and I wish what I saw could have been transferred to some sort of video. It matches a lot with what you speak of.
Thank you so much for posting this. I never found comfort in the man made ‘God.’ But I do with Lucifer because he’ll always meet me where I am and want me to keep striving forward and being my best self. ❤
Agreed, fear based tool of control, I don't agree with you either, I interpret the riddle otherwise. Good for you, organizing all of this as a platform, to my ears your voice is worth hearing. An open minded pursuit.
I can't shake this dream I had where I was in hell at least the what the voice told me is was a under place with no fire no torture but no one else I was completely alone. My thoughts afterwards was I was in sheol why was I alone tho?????
Sheol is the Underworld. Within the last two years, I found out modern concepts about Lucifer and Satan are based in the European middle ages and recent. I agree wholeheartedly with your dream. Write down your dreams. Dreams are answers to questions I don't know how to ask.
I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge. Your videos captured my attention, & shockingly, my husband’s as well. This is straightforward and honest. Thank you.🖤😈🤘🏻
I was raised in the SDA CULT. I am not Christian today. Great Spirit has guided me out of these religious cults. We are Divine but have been programmed to be human $laves!!!!!!!
I have conservative values but I'm actually agnostic, it's not that I don't believe in God it's just I have a scientific mindset and I believe in science over anything maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm not. But you don't have to be religious to have moral values! More or less like I followed the ten commandments however not as a religious person and probably not all of them but you know the most important one I honor my parents I respect my parents I can't imagine myself ever taking the life of another person even in self-defense I would feel horrible, but I would also protect my family if I had to but I would still feel horrible for taking another person's life even if they were set on taking mine. I cuss every now and then I don't really pay much attention it's not something I do on purpose usually like when I stubbed my toe or or see something or hear something that upsets me. I try to treat everyone with respect regardless of sexuality regardless of race regardless of ethnicity regardless of religion. but I've met Christians who when they find out that I'm agnostic talk to me like I don't have values like you have to be a Christian to be a moral person and that's not true. Everybody knows right from wrong, you don't need religion to tell you what is right and wrong in the world.
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I've often thought the world a shadow of the Spirit realm, like that is the true reality and came first and therefore the earth is a copy of it rather than the spirit world being a reflection of the earth..... At least that's how I've come to understand it. Thank you for your videos! They are full of interesting information and are thought provoking....
The more and more of your videos i watch the more interesting they become have really liked them all.I would love to know more about this site and group is there anyway to get more info about your work I'm luciferian and would love to know more about your work and experiences.
Actually in the Bible the gospels don't say the gospel by Mark, all of the gospels the title says: "The Gospel according to..." not by! Many of the text in the Bible we're told word of mouth for many years until finally someone wrote it down that's why it says according to and not by. And we all know how stories go even if it's a true story over time the facts of that story get twisted, things get embellished. And you're absolutely correct on the council of nicea prior to them there was no bible. Not only did they decide which text would be in the Bible in which text would not they also decided the birthdate of Jesus, and many other facts of Christianity we're argued back and forth between different church leaders until they come to an agreement. At the time there were many different churches run by different people with different opinions and views that didn't always match up with other churches. Constantine wanted everyone to follow one Bible that's why he gathered up all the church leaders from all the different sects, and had them come up with a single final bible. In 1972 a farmer in Egypt found aclay jar that contains the Gospel of Mary Magdalen, the Gospel of Judas, and the Gospel of Thomas. The Gospel of Mary Magdalene of course was not included in the Bible because she was a woman. I know they mention it in oh that movie with Tom Hanks, I can't remember the name of it but the cost of Mary Magdalene is a real thing and in it she basically says that or whoever wrote it says that she said she was supposed to take over the church. But of course all the men decided that she was a woman she couldn't take over the church and they make sure to get rid of any of her writings and teachings. The Gospel of Judas paints a completely different picture, and it it says that Jesus went to Judas and told him that he had to turn him over to the Romans Judas didn't want to do it but Jesus told him he had to so he did. When you see the text that didn't make it into the Bible like The book of Enoch The book of Enoch makes it sound like God and angels are nothing but aliens. That's the primary reason the book of Enoch is not included his description of heaven sounds like he's in some kind of a technological mechanical ship, not a City floating in the clouds. Taking those into consideration and the other text there's so many contradictions in the Bible what are the primary reasons I'm agnostic I've never had a religious experience I prayed before I never hear God's voice I never had any of my prayers answered I live in constant pain I prayed for relief and nothing!
1:11 “There’s no Bible in hell!” If it means I don’t have to hear people yelling about it there, sign me up Also, the way I see it, we all pass through some kind of “fire”. This fire burns away all that is lower and base. If you are one of dishonor and greed/lust/overattachment, most of you will be burned away. It will be painful beyond measure. But if you are of virtue and excellence, you will feel all that holds you back falling away.
I’ve visited a place called the Dreamlands and the Night Sea in visions and dreams… beautiful, peaceful, like forests overtaking a big Midwestern city like Chicago or Indianapolis
I remember as a young child i was looking into the mirror and i got transfixed. Staring at myself i stopped thinking about anything and was just looking harder into the mirror, then my face disttorted and i saw something else a different face inlayed over mine. The shock snapped me out of it but now i was intrigued. WTF just happened! So i did it again and sure enough a very sort of unpleasant image emerged a again. It wasn't until many years later i heard of scrying, "Ah that's what that was " i thought to myself. Yes ive also gad a lot of paranormal things happen to me over my lifetime im not sure if its connected or not.
Hi I was called and felt drawn to lilith. I wanted to commit to her till i found ur channel, and now I'm also drawn to Lucifer, the morning star. How do I approach them? How do I pray to them? How do I contact them for life transformation? Thank you.
so god gives free will and makes it incredibly difficult to believe in and says if you dont believe in me then im gonna send you this hell? what a really mean god.
Have you seen the evils of this world? Should there be no punishment for that? You go to hell as punishment for your sins. We ALL deserve it. Only faith that Jesus died and rose again as a sinless man to take the punishment for your sins will save you from the punishment you deserve. The ultimate sacrifice. THAT is what saves you. Faith. I hope you see the truth one day. I thought it was silly and it didn't make sense to me either ...until it did and it changed my life in ways I cannot even describe. My only hope is that others get to experience this too. 🙏
I'd love to talk to someone I had a experience was different but I came a conlusion I'm interested in fit a puzzle together that could give me personal valuable answers
I see what you're saying but i know for sure that karma exists and i think that having that would be a bit pointless if there wasn't some type of ultimate karma or judgement when life is over.
If this western idea of karma existed, good people would be rewarded for their deeds and evildoers would be punished. Look anywhere around you and you’ll see the universe is not balanced.
Did you know that there is different types of existence you got the body the emotional the the astral and the spiritual and there is subcategories for these types of existence and I do believe that as we evolve as souls we will realize that god is not external it's within us we just have to realize it
I have come to the same conclusions bro It Especially solidified after i was summoned many times to the underworld by both Lucifer and Hades. Then again by Kali and Shiva. Then later on tested by Morpheos (dream realm is in the underworld) Hecate is also one of my main guides so I'm well versed in what your speaking of. Its totally the underworld.
i see theres the king james demonlogy book on arcive but only first 15 pages "high quality", is there copy with the better quality seeing theres 2 versions of the book?
not sure i heard the word eternity or the like mentioned and that's a key part of this. if there is a separate underworld is it a permanent residence or? maybe there is a type of aging and death in the underworld yet just never mentioned - and after dying when you're already dead you are born again (back to this realm) or... you. are. here. (already) we're here.
i was so Mandela Effected becuz how in the hell, is Satan not in hell when every person i ever ask where Satan currently is? and they'll all say hell and yet that's not where he is apparently has been, like WTF are you cereal bro???
You sure you want to go there? I believe hell can be right here. Spiritual separation from God is when I go 🕶️ dark**. And have no peace I don't ever want to go there again. Depression, drug addiction, and abuse were dark enough for Me, I trust and have My faith in.❤
The Gospel of John 6:29 “The requirement of the Father is this, to believe in the one he sent” There is organized religion which is partially fear based and money and politically driven. There is personal religion, a right relationship with the lover of our souls “Jesus Christ”. I believe Jennifer was referring to having true freedom and peace with Jesus, both in dark and in light. Being lost in his goodness and compassion.
Darting and dodging Shadows hide from the light A reflection of darkness Devoid of all life What's done in the dark What's done in the night Even shadows cannot hide From God's holy sight
@@tonytang4381 but how “good” is Jesus, truly? From a historical perspective this figure has introduced mostly pain to the world. It should come as no surprise given that his emblem is literally torture weapon. Any peace or sensations of love, joy, etc can be just as accessible without Jesus as with him.
@@ciphergrove The way he showed up in my life I have to say that - Jesus is certainly the greatest of all enlarged souls, most pure and deeply compassionate. He is a mighty warrior, full of loyalty and courage. The defender and friend of the downtrodden, the fatherless, and the widow.
"But I will shew you whom you shall fear: fear ye him, who after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell. Yea, I say to you, fear him. [Luke 12:5] Douay Rheims Catholic Bible
From a walker of the sorrowful way I would love to have a beer with you Dorian, you seem intelligent. I have begged Jesus multiple times to have a similiar experience to yours with Azazel. I deeply hope the weight of my heart is light in the afterlife my friend. Your content is different for me, but it’s interesting to say the least.
I always thought he'll was a place of refinement not a place of eternal torture. I mean don't get me wrong some will take longer to be refined by fire .
Best Believe It If The Devil Exist God Must Exist The Power is Within you And Outside of You Your Not Perfect But The Creator Knows Why!! A Human Soul is A Time Traveller,Hell Was Not Made For Mankind But For The Fallen Angels Hell is A Dimension Torture of Sin Through Mental and Spiritually
First and foremost , I must say I like your channel and find you to be an incredible source of knowledge. And while I do have Christian beliefs , I hold no hate or malice towards you. I'm an outsider that never fit in with churches, I've always been rejected and found I don't fit in. And it's not because I look different or something , perhaps a crooked spine , but mostly what would pass as normal. But when I walk in there's a feeling. I sometimes wonder why I believe being that the church has played no part in it and in fact seemed to do everything in its power to discourage me. I'm currently between homes and I'm staying at a friend's but him and his church , called the church of Christ believe I'm going to hell for not being baptized. Feels like a betrayal.
In the late ‘80s and early ‘90s, these “Judgement Day” types of plays were held at local churches in my area (located in the Bible Belt, no surprise). And they were often geared toward teenagers, as most of the examples of people who had died were destined for Hell. Once the fate of the young person was determined, a large metal-looking door guarded by a demonic figure would then somewhat violently escort the person to the door, at which point smoke from the onstage smoke machine would billow from the inside of the opening out, and the poor soul would be thrown inside and have the heavy door slammed shut behind them.
When I tell you that this experience was traumatic for me…I’m now 47 years of age and I still struggle to this day with talking about this stage production without getting chills several times having to take breaks simply because of the intensity of the nostalgia.
Yet my mother insisted I experience this play several times, as many as it takes, in order to get the message across and for me to become and “saved”. So after that 3rd or 4th showing, I would approach one of the church elders and ask how I get saved. I began the process and started going through the motions as instructed…however, after taking a bathroom break, I’d sneak out and leave the premises, due strictly to the sheer intensity of the process.
Looking back, this seems like borderline child abuse. I spent the next several years - from age 12 until about 18 - under the thumb of such intense anxiety that I would go on to leave the church completely and claim atheism for several years. But more significant than that, this insane approach to understanding a religion that is intended to offer ultimate peace, as well as, increase one’s divine capacity and ability to love his fellow man unconditionally, almost caused my undoing completely. And all before I even had the opportunity to legally drive a car, serve in the military, or buy a lottery ticket lol.
Kids shouldn’t be subject to these kinds of graphic performances. It would be one thing if they were fictional, but to frame it as truth and induce that child’s fear instincts is a whole other issue. It’s wrong and it disgusts me. I’m sorry you also had to endure that 🙏🏻
Thank you and thank you for this channel! I subbed within 2 mins of beginning the video lol.
Yeah, honestly my only regret is that I can’t go back and watch that performance as an adult. It wasn’t a bad show in and of itself, but rather became harmful bc of those who either intentionally or unintentionally weaponized it’s message in order to influence a sort of spiritual shortcut from a tepid/lukewarm desire to know God to this blazing hot seed-spreader. But obvi, methodology matters…not simply a means to an end.
thats pretty heavy. my dad was in the navy and always out at sea. no memories of him at the house growing up. my mom decided to start going to church and made me and my siblings all go. she met a man there a really nice christian man with 3 really nice christian sons. they befriended our family and before long he would turn into our families baby sitter. he was a man of God and was very serious about church and his penis. he not only molested me, but. my brother and my three sisters separately of course but also had an affair with my mom. it wasnt until I was in my 40's that I asked my dad why they got divorced and he told me. my mom remarries 3 times and all losers. one physically abused her. nothing happened to him except a restraining order on our family 500 feet. thats it. we got no therapy or counciling just back to our lives as normal. in that same church a woman went crazy and was running up and down the hallway during Sunday school and she was screaming and smashing windows that were on the classroom doors with her arm. blood was everywhere. ive never felt comfortable in a church or around religious people and never will. cause they hate me anyways. out of all 5 siblings im the only one that ended up being gay. later to discover most people hate us and want us dead. ive never shared this and nervous about hitting the send button and thanks to religion thats my reality. actually I dont know whats compelling me to write this but ill hit send anyways and hope no one says a bunch of mean stuff to me making me regret sharing.. so here goes. I guess I am sharing because you did.
@@s.f.morris7331 my dear friend I was truly moved by your story and my heart breaks for what you had to go through. I do hope that the present day finds you well in spite of the horrors you had to go through. May those that did harm to you through that church get what they deserve. Much love to you, dear friend.
@s.f.morris7331 You've went through some shit...I feel your pain, I am bisexual.
This is one of the major reasons why I left Christianity, it made no sence how someone would be tortured for eternity for being ignorant during this short lifetime, also when the cee vid hit I saw the fear in alot of these preachers who were running to get poked in their arm it helped me see that their was no true faith or power in what they were preaching.
Yeah and I'm not gonna be lectured to by another human, who is probably dummer than me, and just as ignorant about the afterlife. Religion to me is just an intuitive thing. Golden rule shit.
you never a true Christian in the first place
@@StephWorth1808 what is a true Christian?
@@Alkemist369 A true Christian is a person who possesses unwavering faith in Jesus Christ, and who lives and communes with the Holy Spirit, all the days of their life. John 10:27-28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
@@alkemist793 You are correct! Religion is about a personal relationship with God, and about love.
I asked Hecate to please show me my dog after she died and she did.... happy as ever running around chasing squirrels in a field. She (Luna my dog who passed) also gave me a love bite one night on my finger when I was in bed... I knew it was her because of her vibe. I seriously doubt she didn't believe in Jesus or any religion yet she did not go to hell 😂😂😂. Some of the most amazing experiences these were... seeing her waiting for me to join her when it is my time. No need for anyone to be afraid of what happens to use after we leave.. just try your best to have the best life you can :). Intent is everything. "Life starts after we die".
I've had many visions in meditation which involve passing through water into an underworld. I recall wondering how I will manage to breathe once I enter the water, then being surprised that I actually can. They have always been pleasant experiences.
I have had several of these underwater experiences, much like others report flying
I recently had a dream where I died and had to pass through a cave. I was in my glowing fire woman faceless astral form but this time my crotch was blacked out. Another unexpected twist was I met Loki. I was probably in Hel's realm. Me and Loki have a history.
I'm a non-denominational Christian. As a child, the neighbors would always say everyone is going to Hell, even if they believed in Jesus Christ. That scared me so bad, which made me a target for night terrors. I was so petrified, even hearing the word "ghost" or "haunting" scared me. As an adult, I've noticed that a lot of churches fear monger the people, and they don't really explain any spiritual aspects, beside demons this, God that, when there is so much more to it. It's very spiritual. If anyone wants to protect themselves, they need to know about the darker aspects, so they can properly arm themselves and know what they're up against.
Even the Bible says to practice discernment and test the spirits, if something doesn't feel right. No one can do that, if they're told that it's bad, and that's it. As I got older, I started researching and praying for answers. I found clarity and understanding. It's not going to be the same for everyone, but for some, it might be. I realized that I don't need to go to church to learn about God bcuz He is everywhere. A lot of what happens spiritually, is bcuz of intentions and beliefs.
A lot of people turn away from God completely bcuz of the damnation amongst the church and it's people. God wouldn't turn someone away, when seeking guidance. God isn't hateful or evil. God isn't a magician that caters to every whim. People often don't understand free will. People who are supposed to lead the church on God's behalf, often can't answer questions that a lot of people are seeking answers to, and some often commit heinous acts in the name of God, which also turns people off.
I try to stay open minded and learn about every aspect of spirituality, bcuz it brings me closer to the truth and closer to God, in MY experience. What I've stated above, is my own experiences and what I've gathered over the years of searching for answers. I'm also spiritually sensitive and an empath. I'm no longer afraid of the spiritual.
The action is more demonic than righteous person! Even if I don’t follow religion, I never force my beliefs! I respect their free will to decide from themselves with information at hand! Jesus said that don’t judge till you get judge! In the Bible, he is a mentor and guidance with his actions, not just words! I believe that Jesus will not subject people to this kind of psychological torture to force to obey! This kind of environment make people rebellious and hated God, thus make demon more powerful! They unintentionally strengthen demonic being through that kind of brainwashing!
I have a similar experience. The afterlife is vast and varied.
@@paulminh3525 yes, exactly! I don't turn people away bcuz of their spiritual beliefs or a lack there of. If someone is good to me and is a good person in general, then I end up being close with them. They know their choices and it's not up to me to be the judge of that. It would be nice to see more open-minded people who can really look outside of themselves and accept people for who they are and stand together bcuz life is so short and there's too much negativity in our world as it is. You're absolutely right. The negative entities are def absorbing energy from those who claim to be of God, but they're projecting so much negativity, which makes them a buffet for parasitic spirits.
That's one of the reasons I don't go to church. The church and Vatican are created for money only. It's no surprise that the mafia did money laundering using the Vatican bank. And they didn't do anything, only when the media got on this ,the Vatican was lying to save their poor ass
Thank you for sharing your story and wisdom and experience with us all! All the best to you and yours!
I agree with you...Only one life and to be apart from our loved ones forever would be so unfair... the idea of multiple existences makes sense.
You're being deceived.
@@dumbheadizeseveral years back I had a dream, btw I dream a lot always did. This dream was interesting because I never dreamed anything similar before or after that, I saw a woman who looked exactly like me, I was inside a house with many windows or glass walls something like that and she was trying to get in to kill me, and she did get inside and the walls turned into normal walls and I was moving to the inner rooms without windows running away from her and she was trying to get to me, I don't remember that she did but then suddenly I saw myself in the kitchen and I was looking into a cup that was half full with sand and I kept looking at that sand and I felt like I was pulled into it and saw myself on a beach sitting in the sand
@@dumbheadize The irony in that statement is truly remarkable coming from someone of your faith.
@dumbheadize right back atcha
The background music you're using is so smooth, it keeps popping up in my head several times a day. Very good choice 👍
this is so psychologically manipulating and frankly abusive. i cant believe anyone would be so horrible as to say "your going to hell" to a small child in a church. it really goes to show the extent of how emotionally and sometimes physiologically damaging such a terrible dogma truly is. this religious trauma scars people for life, forever branding them with a symbol of unnecessary pain and death which they call "the cross" until they escape to freedom and heal their minds. as someone with religious trauma, this video made a lot of things go click for me. i found it shocking and it really made me realise just how damaging and awful it was to hear such lies growing up as a child. these lies where often shouted and even physically beaten into me. one time i had a panic attack and when the local christians found out, they said it was "god" punishing me for being pagan. what a terrible, awful and wretched thing to do to someone. the abrahamic religions are the prime example of the saying "creating your own demise" as they create hell for themselves, and then live in fear, wasting this divine earthly life we have been given. to my fellow survivors of religious abuse, Lucifer and his royal legion have loved humanity for centuries, and this is of highest excellence. however we must also learn to love ourselves. we must be kind to ourselves and have self compassion. to those of you still holding onto this fear, i promise you, without a single doubt, you will never ever go to "hell." its not real, its not a place, and it is a symbol of fear, torment, and control. do not brand yourself with the mark of slavery that is the cross. you deserve better. and i am so terribly sorry for what we have all been through because of their lies. Let Lucifer empower your black flame and may you be strong in your healing. christianity is about spreading fear, worsening anxiety, and then selling you a false cure. Luciferianism is about facing your fears, dismantling your fears, and setting yourself free whilst providing you with a genuine solution and remedy for the soul. christ truly is a wolf in sheep's clothing. this is genuinely sinister. the only way we can defeat this is if we stick together, love and forgive ourselves, and nurture ourselves on this healing journey. I love you, Lucifer loves you, and you have all the potential in the world to love yourself. all i can do is watch this video in both shock and awe, jaw dropped, and things going click. Its time you become your own god and this begins with healing. the LHP is purposely portrayed as dark and uncomfortable so that we may be free. think about it, they cant control us with hel if we are perfectly comfortable with all the darkness they may try and use against us. healing isn't linear so this will come with practice. I feel like this is what Lucifer has been trying to tell me for so long now. "god" is a personification of my childhood trauma and religious abuse. so at some point, inevitably, Lucifer is naturally going to start personifying healing, justice, and safety from that. and a loving and safe environment for children instead of this frankly abusive nonsense that comes from the church. if you read the bible, you'll notice it was the Jewish and later christians that killed "jesus," and that it was the Roman pagans that felt there was no need for violence. they basically killed him for themselves to then justify the slaughter of thousands others. Finally, there is no legitimate definitive proof the jesus was even a living human being. set yourself free with all this knowledge. when faced with hate, ask yourself "are these people truly happy with what they believe?" the answer is NO. they live in fear, sadness, and bitter resentment waiting to lash out at anything that doesn't conform to their indoctrination. sin is just another word for human nature. it is meant to be integrated not escaped. you deserve so much healing on the Left Hand Path and so much more. This is the most open and raw UA-cam comment i have posted in a very, very long time. don't ever doubt yourself and don't ever doubt your path. whatever that may be for you. one day, we will change the world with this knowledge, as the truth always wins. until then, we must go within to heal, recover, and integrate after such horrible lies. i am so truly grateful for this video and for this youtube channel, and i hope i was able to touch the heart of someone who stuck around long enough to read this entire comment. Just keep healing. follow your hearts every whim and desire, and let Lucifer shine the torch. i think i finally know what Luciferianism means to me now. And i think the son of dawn has been trying to tell me this for a very, very long time. Ave Lucifer. he truly is the light bringer and a very loving being in his own heavy metal, tough shit way. May you find peace and serenity on your path, whatever your heart may choose to follow. blessings of healing be upon you in this balance of light and dark. I am sending you all big hugs!
Your comment is beautiful. Also, is so sad how they treated you. Saying a panic attack is possession or punishment by god... ugh, its so sadistic and horribly damaging to mental health, really messed up shit.
thanks for your support dude. best way to fight back is through healing and self love.@@anonimuska99
I put it all together that Yahweh is the Demiurge,I do agree with you about how the church scares people into believing.
Actually, like it or not, scaring kids was always a common practice among parents and grandparents. Not only with religion. In Portugal, parents would also say to their kids that if they didn't behave, gypsies would come and take them.
@@HeathenDance exactly bro it is disgusting. children should focus on being children and my life would have been a whole lot better if I was never introduced to christianity.
If you look at near death experiences you will see that about 4 out of 10 experiences are of a terrifying kind. I believe these to be true experiences because people describe what was happening in the waiting room while they were dead.
How can you believe something to be true when you’ve not experience it yourself? Also, for every 1 negative NDE, there are 1,000 where the individual experiences a state of peace they didn’t want to leave behind. I, myself, have had 4 different experiences where I died after overdosing on prescription opiates…all 4 of which requiring the immediate intervention of medical personnel via CPR…but despite flatlining more than 10 times cumulatively, never experienced anything whatsoever.
@@soyburglar77yeah I've also been through the exact same thing and I personally have no memory of anything at all..... I think it's our judgement of ourselves and our beliefs that shape what experiences we have in the spirit realm.... Or at least those aspects play into it in big ways imo
@@soyburglar77that's probably because you weren't actually dying...how can you say what another saw when you seen or felt nothing??? See how ignorance cuts both ways for different people?
@@soyburglar77 Wait, prescriptions or not, how did take these opiates after the first time??!
The underworld has many levels theirs a place thats heaven like another thats a bit less heavenly but still very nice, a mundane place, then after that the levels of "hell" begin and get worse depending on how evil a person was in life. Most people do not go to the "hellish" parts of the underworld after death. Those parts are only for the very disturbed and depraved to rethink thier choices.
Such a beautiful and liberating video...Thank you for making this dude, alot of people are going to be set free when they stumble into this.
Thank you, this means a lot to me
Keep it up man, follow that passion and fire to reveal the truth@@ciphergrove
Helhiem in Norse Pagen is not a bad place like in the Chrstian lie about hell. Helhiem is named for the Goddess who rules over the realm. Helhiem is a good place, not a bad one.
Since you misspelled it 3 times in a row I feel the need to tell you it's called Helheim. Heim meaning home, as in the home of Hel.
@Hagelnot I can barely spell my name, so thanks for the correction on the spelling.
Well it's neutral in norse mythology not in Christain mythology and op seems to be using an lingustic fallacy hell is just the translation of hades sheol and tartarus there not all the same tartarus is the prison chamber for the watchers and the nephelim hades is is the tempoary storage chamber for the dead sheol is the land of the dead where both the good and the bad went to but even then the lord partitioned it with abrahams bosom.
Just cause similar terminology is used doesn't mean it's the same same terminology completely different dictationary it's like saying a daemon is the same as a demon because they sound the same well no there different from different theologies we don't accept zeus daemons or the greek myths are true we simple think they are the fables of man made up by people
That is not quite accurate. In Helheim there is a subrealm called Nastrond. There the sentient corpses of the punished souls are to be constantly chewed by the dragon Nidhoggr, until Ragnarok occurs.
Nobody knows for sure.
Excellent video! This needed to be said. Thank you!
I was raised in the church and attended christian school five days a week, and church on Sunday from the moment I was in kindergarten. I am now an adult and the older I get the more terrified I become of dying and spending eternity in hell. This fear has been ingrained in me so deeply and from such a young age, I can't seem to shake it.
God has not given us the spirit of fear but of power and of love and a sound mind. Know Christ, know good and love others. Minister when you can or simply give out gospel tracts as I do. As you walk in this world your feet will always get dirty. At 62 I know that and pray daily to be washed in the blood for the remission of sin. You know God... Fear nothing and walk. God bless
I think it's because it says he wants you to be born again. like a child in the eyes of god. why? because children are more controllable than adults with logic, experience and question things. children dont. in theory. and then the parents do it to their kids and force their beliefs on them thus indoctrinating them into a fear based religion/society.
It was drilled in your head, escape it by reading up on other religions and the banned books of the Bible.
Free yourself from christianity's mental slavery and heaven-hell paradigm by studying the occult and following your will above everything else, don't let others define what's right or wrong, good or bad, true or false, do it yourself...
Being a Christian and having a truly open mind seem mutually exclusive…
Haha, based
And that's why I'm not a Christian, too much fear mongering. So much for "free agency" Lilith chose banishment, but they tried to drag her back to the garden.
@@c.antoniojohnson7114 Christianity, as Judaism and Islam are Saturnian and Archontic cults. By definition, they are based on fear mongering. There's literally no way out of this.
There's a huge difference of working WITH Hell and being IN Hell. I astral travel a lot in my meditations and I go into Heavenly realms, Hellish realms, and places in-between. No matter where I go I'm always trying to help heal spirits, or to help heal environments that I visit. I never go anywhere without Love by my side in everything that I do. Make something better than how you found it. You will be known by the fruits you produce. I have protection from Arch Angels and Arch Demons, if you truly have love in your heart, does it matter so much about picking sides, or is it satisfying to help and be of benefit to all beings in the universe no matter what they are or where they reside?
The Astral world is wonderful beyond measure,I Astral travel constantly also have Arch demon guardians.
It's funny you should mention that. This morning during meditation I got shown a sacred place similar to a place of paradise but for demons. They told me that this place is not mentioned in any human books, but only demons can access it by following principles like truth, loyalty, integrity, love, service to others, etc... There are so many different layers to explore and visit in the astral you can go to as many places as your mind will allow you to go. One of the demons there told me something like 'All demons live in darkness, but not all demons are consumed by darkness.' I absolutely love the conversations that I have with all sorts of spiritual beings.@@c.antoniojohnson7114
Now that I think about it,this video speaks to me. As a Scorpio, I've always been fascinated by death and the underworld. It's appropriate that Scorpio is all about death and transformation.
It would be amazing if the Christians who were biblical literalists with regard to subjects like this also applied their literalist views to all of the other teachings of Jesus Christ - especially those regarding loving your fellow man, treating others with the utmost respect, and showing a divine level of kindness to “the least of these” - the world would be a much better place.
Well true love tells the whole truth even pointing out the errors of someone's ways and warning them the eternal consequences that goes with it. Jesus warns about sin and hell.
@@dumbheadize I find your username very appropriate.
@@dumbheadize I don't know if you've noticed, considering how ignorant you seem, but this isn't the place for preaching your ridiculous ideology. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Kindness should flow like water from a well, I am so sorry…
Bless you all for what it’s worth.
Life is so much pain.
Fantastic video and thank you for your time to put this together. When you mentioned about mirrors and shadows, as a child I would have reoccurring dreams of approaching a full length mirror and walking through to the other side. The other side had shades of grey and black and an opposite. I also remember feeling watery mist from fog touch my skin, it was quiet and I felt safe. It was around this time I was attending the church across the street from where I lived. I left the church in my early teens as I just couldn't connect or resonate with Christian beliefs and felt a pull to research witchcraft, I self initiated into Wicca at the age of 15 and have been a witch ever since, I'm 49 yrs old at the time of this video. I love mirrors to this day and scry using black mirrors, and an black obsidian crystal ball. I know many people who fear mirrors to this day. Also to add, my son and husband passed away (different times) and I would dream visit my deceased family in this shadowy realm and we would speak telepathically. The one reoccurring theme that was discussed was they were in University, on the other side.
coming from a Christian family is an overwhelming and difficult path to free myself in this life.
As overwhelming as freeing myself from Islam. But....here we are on the same road together, in search of truth.
Your channel is wonderful. As a Scorpio, today I learned!! Terrific stuff, thanks again.
Man, It’s fascinating to me how many people turn away from the church based on their experiences growing up in the church. By instilling such fear and rigorously trying to keep a child faithful to Christ, they’ve ultimately severed that relationship and their Childrens faith. It’s heartbreaking.
@@chaseskinner98 it's not heartbreaking it's liberation and illumination. Christianity is a slave mentality and I refuse to submit
@@serpentinesecrets6771 based on your experience, I suppose so. I never experienced that growing up so I can only speak about folks I know and of course what you see on here.
Thank you for having the courage to speak on this. Many people leave christianity but they continue to carry the shame based ideologies and so fail to truly free themselves. This channel is inspiring 🖤
Thank you for this! This was beautifully executed in my opinion. Many Blessings Love
What if we are all dead and this is Hell?
Nah don't overthink shit
New Subscriber. Keep the videos coming
Right on Brother thank you.
Thank you Cipher Grove for enlightening people. I was abused and neglected by Christians growing up in foster care aka legalized form of child trafficking done by the state. I was removed from my biological family and placed in a much worse one than that of my pill popping incipient alcoholic mother.
I think Hell exists here on earth if you choose to live their. Its extremely personalized i might add so its extremely difficult to crawl out of..I used to be a iv using junkie, my 14 year old son Jacob passed away from a heroin overdose while he was in state custody on the foster parents heroin. One is my step daughter I helped raise. I was clean when he passed. I now skirt the edges of the abyss and look in at everyone i know still trapped there. It took me awhile to get out of there..baby steps in the same tracks that you got in but in reverse. There is a way out if you believe there is .
I love you brother, I can't fathom your pain. I'm proud of you for conquering your addiction and I'm sorry what was taken from you. My heart goes out to you and your family🤍
@@ayimnasty9986 thank you ❤️
Sorry about your son. And God bless you.
Hell is chaos and yes your metaphor about life being hell sometimes is true. However, the hell Jesus speaks of is a place for people who reject God. If you think the free will gift God gave you makes you feel like God enough to reject Him that's when it is a problem.
@@johnpilaccio6408 life and everything else around us every single moment is a blessing. Some are blessings in disguise that ultimately steer you in the right direction. My church is being immersed in God's creation, raw nature , that's where I feel connected. Not thru some words outta a man made book in a man made building. That is tainted and not pure like I experience amongst gods masterpieces.
@@jrsgarage7623 it's God inspired. Prophecies have been fulfilled over thousands of years. But to each his own.
Loved it, and I have subscribed
I'm new to this channel and I have to say thank you for opening my eyes I've always been a lonewolf even when I'm around people I'm still by myself I found extreme comfort being alone you learn who you are and once you do that you realize you don't need people in your life btw I am a Scorpio and proud of it..
so being dead sounds a lot like being alive.
Thank you Cipher Grove looking forward to seeing the next video
I was raised in Western NC. The buckle, of the "Bible belt". I was traumatized as a child as well with dramatic plays of hell.. It always felt wrong to me. I also saw how fear based control of people didn't make them become a better person. So ignorant.
Yes this is the best yt channel I have found in a very long time I know this channels message is just for a few who is open minded and are seeking truth
As I began to separate myself from my family's Christian beliefs, it really surprised me how terrified I actually was (and still kind of am) of the idea of Hell.
I only began to be afraid of that place once I began to try to not be/not believe in it.
(As before then it wasn't really on my mind much)
I'm still working through it but I've gotten far
just found this channel today and it is amazing
Wait I the earliest Christians use the fish as the symbol before moving on to the cross.
Hello, I am really enjoying your videos. I don't know yet where I am on my journey and I might schedule a consultation with you soon. However, for the purposes of this video I am wondering. How is it possible for loved ones to be able to visit and communicate woth us after they have moved on to the after life. I ask because the spurits of my loved ones often speak to me
I really love this channel, I have watched all the videos so far.
And I have had similar experiences as you.
I think the one thing that you have not mentioned that is key to truly understanding spirituality is identity. And how our modern society has a serious problem with false identities which are practically a spiritual possession.
One takes on an identity and feels the need to defend that identity. I would like to hear your thoughts on that.
Cipher Grove, have you had any experiences with Hecate?
The experience you're describing in the caves is called a "hell house", and is purposely filled with Protestant propaganda. I've never seen one in a cave, but have been to two of these events. Even at my most naive, I entered expecting to be moved, but came out frustrated and confused. Why would we need to scare people into accepting scripture? Because accepting scripture on purely rational grounds is untenable.
Make no mistake, eternal/infinite punishment for finite crimes is both immoral and unjust.
Thank you for sharing experience and insight with us!
Very interesting thank you
I definitely resonate with this video because I agree with what he says.
In a dream I fell through some circular chasm that was very strange. ended up plunging into a strange liquid pool that had unexplainable viscous layer to the top and had some weird layers beneath and ended up in some sort of black smokey void. I was looking down on a room that was of someone whom I loved that I was having a horrible departing with. no roof, just peering in on some belongings and feeling this horrible disconnect and longing for them. It was extremely vivid and I wish what I saw could have been transferred to some sort of video. It matches a lot with what you speak of.
May all sentient beings be liberated from suffering and from the causes of suffering.🕉☮️☮️☮️
Thank you so much for posting this.
I never found comfort in the man made ‘God.’ But I do with Lucifer because he’ll always meet me where I am and want me to keep striving forward and being my best self. ❤
I loved this video, very logical. Thank you! ❤
Agreed, fear based tool of control, I don't agree with you either, I interpret the riddle otherwise. Good for you, organizing all of this as a platform, to my ears your voice is worth hearing. An open minded pursuit.
"Fear is the Mind Killer" Dune
I can't shake this dream I had where I was in hell at least the what the voice told me is was a under place with no fire no torture but no one else I was completely alone. My thoughts afterwards was I was in sheol why was I alone tho?????
Sheol is the Underworld. Within the last two years, I found out modern concepts about Lucifer and Satan are based in the European middle ages and recent. I agree wholeheartedly with your dream. Write down your dreams. Dreams are answers to questions I don't know how to ask.
I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge. Your videos captured my attention, & shockingly, my husband’s as well. This is straightforward and honest. Thank you.🖤😈🤘🏻
Thank you 🙏 Dorian
I was raised in the SDA CULT. I am not Christian today. Great Spirit has guided me out of these religious cults. We are Divine but have been programmed to be human $laves!!!!!!!
Outstanding!!
I have conservative values but I'm actually agnostic, it's not that I don't believe in God it's just I have a scientific mindset and I believe in science over anything maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm not. But you don't have to be religious to have moral values! More or less like I followed the ten commandments however not as a religious person and probably not all of them but you know the most important one I honor my parents I respect my parents I can't imagine myself ever taking the life of another person even in self-defense I would feel horrible, but I would also protect my family if I had to but I would still feel horrible for taking another person's life even if they were set on taking mine. I cuss every now and then I don't really pay much attention it's not something I do on purpose usually like when I stubbed my toe or or see something or hear something that upsets me. I try to treat everyone with respect regardless of sexuality regardless of race regardless of ethnicity regardless of religion.
but I've met Christians who when they find out that I'm agnostic talk to me like I don't have values like you have to be a Christian to be a moral person and that's not true. Everybody knows right from wrong, you don't need religion to tell you what is right and wrong in the world.
Separation from GOD is literally hell. Remember, you can't understand that yet, because you still have the breath of life within you & around you.
Nah
Don't make me laugh sheep boy.
Which god
"And gawd said...gimme all of your money! Because gawd hates cheapskates! And i need a beeter lear jet! And, please keep sending your young boys to us!"
Idk why but your whole description to the afterlife reminded me of the song “Black Hole Sun” by Soundgarden
I've often thought the world a shadow of the Spirit realm, like that is the true reality and came first and therefore the earth is a copy of it rather than the spirit world being a reflection of the earth..... At least that's how I've come to understand it. Thank you for your videos! They are full of interesting information and are thought provoking....
The more and more of your videos i watch the more interesting they become have really liked them all.I would love to know more about this site and group is there anyway to get more info about your work I'm luciferian and would love to know more about your work and experiences.
The link to our discord server is in the description
Actually in the Bible the gospels don't say the gospel by Mark, all of the gospels the title says: "The Gospel according to..." not by! Many of the text in the Bible we're told word of mouth for many years until finally someone wrote it down that's why it says according to and not by. And we all know how stories go even if it's a true story over time the facts of that story get twisted, things get embellished. And you're absolutely correct on the council of nicea prior to them there was no bible. Not only did they decide which text would be in the Bible in which text would not they also decided the birthdate of Jesus, and many other facts of Christianity we're argued back and forth between different church leaders until they come to an agreement. At the time there were many different churches run by different people with different opinions and views that didn't always match up with other churches. Constantine wanted everyone to follow one Bible that's why he gathered up all the church leaders from all the different sects, and had them come up with a single final bible. In 1972 a farmer in Egypt found aclay jar that contains the Gospel of Mary Magdalen, the Gospel of Judas, and the Gospel of Thomas. The Gospel of Mary Magdalene of course was not included in the Bible because she was a woman. I know they mention it in oh that movie with Tom Hanks, I can't remember the name of it but the cost of Mary Magdalene is a real thing and in it she basically says that or whoever wrote it says that she said she was supposed to take over the church. But of course all the men decided that she was a woman she couldn't take over the church and they make sure to get rid of any of her writings and teachings. The Gospel of Judas paints a completely different picture, and it it says that Jesus went to Judas and told him that he had to turn him over to the Romans Judas didn't want to do it but Jesus told him he had to so he did. When you see the text that didn't make it into the Bible like The book of Enoch The book of Enoch makes it sound like God and angels are nothing but aliens. That's the primary reason the book of Enoch is not included his description of heaven sounds like he's in some kind of a technological mechanical ship, not a City floating in the clouds. Taking those into consideration and the other text there's so many contradictions in the Bible what are the primary reasons I'm agnostic I've never had a religious experience I prayed before I never hear God's voice I never had any of my prayers answered I live in constant pain I prayed for relief and nothing!
Wow! That was very insightful, thank you.
Christianity is a wild mishmash of mythology.
When you die you go to the spirit world you rest there for a bit you choose to come back if you want to or go somewhere else it's up to you
1:11 “There’s no Bible in hell!”
If it means I don’t have to hear people yelling about it there, sign me up
Also, the way I see it, we all pass through some kind of “fire”. This fire burns away all that is lower and base. If you are one of dishonor and greed/lust/overattachment, most of you will be burned away. It will be painful beyond measure. But if you are of virtue and excellence, you will feel all that holds you back falling away.
I’ve visited a place called the Dreamlands and the Night Sea in visions and dreams… beautiful, peaceful, like forests overtaking a big Midwestern city like Chicago or Indianapolis
Material world is the real hell, where wey are to find ourselves
Im open I'm christian trying to find the truth on all sides whats real and what isnt?
Excellent
I remember as a young child i was looking into the mirror and i got transfixed. Staring at myself i stopped thinking about anything and was just looking harder into the mirror, then my face disttorted and i saw something else a different face inlayed over mine. The shock snapped me out of it but now i was intrigued. WTF just happened!
So i did it again and sure enough a very sort of unpleasant image emerged a
again.
It wasn't until many years later i heard of scrying, "Ah that's what that was " i thought to myself. Yes ive also gad a lot of paranormal things happen to me over my lifetime im not sure if its connected or not.
located around various places @ amusement parks and Malls etc.
there are maps with a dot or star that says "you are here"
ehem....
yep 🤠
Hi I was called and felt drawn to lilith. I wanted to commit to her till i found ur channel, and now I'm also drawn to Lucifer, the morning star. How do I approach them? How do I pray to them? How do I contact them for life transformation? Thank you.
so god gives free will and makes it incredibly difficult to believe in and says if you dont believe in me then im gonna send you this hell? what a really mean god.
Have you seen the evils of this world? Should there be no punishment for that? You go to hell as punishment for your sins. We ALL deserve it. Only faith that Jesus died and rose again as a sinless man to take the punishment for your sins will save you from the punishment you deserve. The ultimate sacrifice. THAT is what saves you. Faith. I hope you see the truth one day. I thought it was silly and it didn't make sense to me either ...until it did and it changed my life in ways I cannot even describe. My only hope is that others get to experience this too. 🙏
I agree 👍🏿 thanks a million
I'd love to talk to someone I had a experience was different but I came a conlusion I'm interested in fit a puzzle together that could give me personal valuable answers
I'm nocturnal,and a Scorpio. The dark is comforting to me.
I see what you're saying but i know for sure that karma exists and i think that having that would be a bit pointless if there wasn't some type of ultimate karma or judgement when life is over.
If this western idea of karma existed, good people would be rewarded for their deeds and evildoers would be punished. Look anywhere around you and you’ll see the universe is not balanced.
Did you know that there is different types of existence you got the body the emotional the the astral and the spiritual and there is subcategories for these types of existence and I do believe that as we evolve as souls we will realize that god is not external it's within us we just have to realize it
what about the white light?
I have come to the same conclusions bro
It Especially solidified after i was summoned many times to the underworld by both Lucifer and Hades. Then again by Kali and Shiva. Then later on tested by Morpheos (dream realm is in the underworld)
Hecate is also one of my main guides so I'm well versed in what your speaking of.
Its totally the underworld.
If god's so great and wonderful, why isn't separation from hiM punishment enough?
i see theres the king james demonlogy book on arcive but only first 15 pages "high quality", is there copy with the better quality seeing theres 2 versions of the book?
Is there routes to everyone according to life's path and will to be unlocked?
This is refreshing. Ask Palestinians where hell is ,they can tell you!
This... the worst hell is on earth...
Have you read The sacred mushroom and the cross? I think you'd enjoy it.
not sure i heard the word eternity or the like mentioned and that's a key part of this.
if there is a separate underworld is it a permanent residence or? maybe there is a type of aging and death in the underworld yet just never mentioned - and after dying when you're already dead you are born again (back to this realm)
or...
you. are. here. (already)
we're here.
Another great video thankyou.
Youd love Melanie Martinez's K12 movie and her Portals album where the subjects of life, death and reincarnation are big themes.
One man's heaven is another man's hell. If you stuck me on a cloud and made me sing praises to a tirant for eternity, that would be pretty hellish.
i was so Mandela Effected becuz how in the hell, is Satan not in hell when every person i ever ask where Satan currently is? and they'll all say hell and yet that's not where he is apparently has been, like WTF are you cereal bro???
It is all about currency 💲 control by religion and the rich and powerful!
You sure you want to go there? I believe hell can be right here. Spiritual separation from God is when I go 🕶️ dark**. And have no peace
I don't ever want to go there again.
Depression, drug addiction, and abuse were dark enough for Me, I trust and have My faith in.❤
Darkness isn’t negative. Watch the video again
The Gospel of John 6:29 “The requirement of the Father is this, to believe in the one he sent” There is organized religion which is partially fear based and money and politically driven. There is personal religion, a right relationship with the lover of our souls “Jesus Christ”. I believe Jennifer was referring to having true freedom and peace with Jesus, both in dark and in light. Being lost in his goodness and compassion.
Darting and dodging
Shadows hide from the light
A reflection of darkness
Devoid of all life
What's done in the dark
What's done in the night
Even shadows cannot hide
From God's holy sight
@@tonytang4381 but how “good” is Jesus, truly? From a historical perspective this figure has introduced mostly pain to the world. It should come as no surprise given that his emblem is literally torture weapon. Any peace or sensations of love, joy, etc can be just as accessible without Jesus as with him.
@@ciphergrove The way he showed up in my life I have to say that - Jesus is certainly the greatest of all enlarged souls, most pure and deeply compassionate. He is a mighty warrior, full of loyalty and courage. The defender and friend of the downtrodden, the fatherless, and the widow.
So what if if everything was an illusion that they have shown you in underworld
"But I will shew you whom you shall fear: fear ye him, who after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell. Yea, I say to you, fear him.
[Luke 12:5]
Douay Rheims Catholic Bible
Fearmongering lies
From a walker of the sorrowful way I would love to have a beer with you Dorian, you seem intelligent.
I have begged Jesus multiple times to have a similiar experience to yours with Azazel.
I deeply hope the weight of my heart is light in the afterlife my friend.
Your content is different for me, but it’s interesting to say the least.
I always thought he'll was a place of refinement not a place of eternal torture. I mean don't get me wrong some will take longer to be refined by fire .
Best Believe It If The Devil Exist God Must Exist The Power is Within you And Outside of You Your Not Perfect But The Creator Knows Why!! A Human Soul is A Time Traveller,Hell Was Not Made For Mankind But For The Fallen Angels Hell is A Dimension Torture of Sin Through Mental and Spiritually
Yawn
dante's Inferno pure fiction before him Christians had no Idea image of hell
Have any nde stories?
First and foremost , I must say I like your channel and find you to be an incredible source of knowledge.
And while I do have Christian beliefs , I hold no hate or malice towards you.
I'm an outsider that never fit in with churches, I've always been rejected and found I don't fit in.
And it's not because I look different
or something , perhaps a crooked spine , but mostly what would pass as normal.
But when I walk in there's a feeling.
I sometimes wonder why I believe being that the church has played no part in it and in fact seemed to do everything in its power to discourage me. I'm currently between homes and I'm staying at a friend's but him and his church , called the church of Christ believe I'm going to hell for not being baptized.
Feels like a betrayal.
Most of this was man made bullshit!
That was a cult tactic and mind control!
The Church of Christ is bad news.
Eternal damnation for not being a Christian is b.s.
This was mind control at its finest!