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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this video I discuss how to setup a Heltec LoRa 32 V3 for use with the Meshtastic network. If you want to know more about meshtastic watch this:
In this video I explore the world of LoRa wireless messenging, in particular Meshtastic. I do a range test and invite you to join me in helping to expand the Meshtastic network, a completely off grid network which does not rely on the internet or cellular infrastructure. Exciting times!
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Please, please, please people who watch this; attach the antenna BEFORE powering up the board. And make sure you have discharged any static buildup that you may be harboring (especially in winter).
How do you discharge the static?
These are a lot of fun to play with (had them for some time). Setting licenced ham operator would be useful on the 70cm band in some parts of the world where power can be higher with a PA. But also that setting that (should) disable encryption as per local laws. One thing to be aware of is the channel name you choose will create an encrypted channel. So if you change that you'd not be on the "default" channel that Andy shows here. You can see the encryption settings for the channel in the radio settings dialog. It can actually get pretty complex once you start digging. But that's part of the fun! There's also a version that is only for Amateurs called Meshcom but there are really few users of that at the moment. Worth checking though. Thanks for the video!
From what I understand its a grey area your technically setting up an experimental remote repeater.
"As per local laws"? Who are you, the feds? Bro is over here showing us how to take power away from the government and you, the #2 top comment, want to give it back? Glowie piece of garbage. I'm not falling for this. 45 likes my ass, probably all NSA bots. Screw you.
This is pretty much what I thought the Internet was originally (and to some extent it was..) I love this sort of thing so much
The internet used a lot of techniques developed for the ALOHAnet mesh radio network that was set up in Hawaii all the way back in 1971.
@@MrDunclNever heard of the ALOHAnet before. I've always been fascinated by the early days of ARPAnet. Time for me to do some reading. Thanks for the tip.
Came for the cool little radio board, stayed for the banger trance anthem.
I was really surprised by their range and it got me thinking about how practical it would be to setup small solar-powered nodes. If it's small enough to run for a usable amount of time in a package that small then it can't burn too much power at all, so a small solar panel or something with a simple metal rod to stick into the dirt and a 3d printed housing could make a really nice little relay node. If it can be ran on pretty generic hardware I might actually chase down that idea a little and try to get a small ESP32 or NRF or something going. If you could get the price of a self-sustaining node under, eeeh, 25-50usd, then even a single individual could reasonably afford to setup relay chains spanning miles and miles.
Granted, at that point you'd probably want to have an integrated low-precision GPS module in them as well so that, if one *_does_* go offline, you can see where the chain broke because it stopped reporting it's position. Could be an interesting little project to chase down.
I was thinking something similar, honestly my GF and I considering living in a more rural area due to crime in the inner city, as well as just high cost for a flyover state city, its just not worth it as I get older.
Or you could maintain the map with device uuids and know which went off without gps
@@thebloodyvlad that wouldn't necessarily work. I mean in the first place it's non-generalized, so you'd have to intentionally map out IDs to positions which is just a pain, but it would fail if, for one reason or another, they got moved around. Say one got picked up and taken somewhere else but still technically has connection then it'd register as still working despite not being in the correct position for the chain.
@@robonator2945 hmmmm.. if one got moved and you mapped and tagged each node, surely you can look at the map, which would just be a series of numbers or names on an ordered list and query until one does not respond. Then either that one is down, has been moved out of range, or the one just before it has been moved but not down.
I have 4 nodes right now. I just got done flashing the most up to date software in them. All of mine have GPS enabled. I am currently setting one up to be a repeater node. You can set these repeaters up to work with any device or just known devices. If you want to make a closed network, you can do the known devices only, but you will need to manually add any device you put on the network so it will know to repeat that signal.
Check out AustinMesh on YT, he does have some videos where he makes a solar powered repeater node.
I am blown away by the range and bandwidth achievable with these modern transceiver protocols. LoRa, OcuSync, WSPR, NextGenTV ect ect. The government will be butting in on this mesh stff no doubt. Imagine how pist they would be if we the people created our own internet network.
Agree... the 3-letter government departments won't like this as they lose control over what they can monitor and will atttempt to influence governments to shut it all down due to 'national security'.
If some could be connected to some routing equipment it’s definitely possible.
The government aren't actually the ones at risk. They may very well but in, but it would be because of the corporations padding their pockets. The internet is already decentralized anyway. That's what makes it so difficult to control.
@@russellallen1006That's why it's important to reject misinformation laws, because they're censorship laws obviously.
They have been going after network people since 2017
Would make a great sim free ebike gps tracker. Tap the bike for power. Get a mobile node repeater thrown in.
3:36 - "If you're using Linux, you probably know what you're doing."
Truer words have never been spoken.
Being a Linux user makes me realise how little I know about what I'm doing. 😅
Ya, do more reading before I do the thing they might fry hardware.
Judt because I do the Linux does not make me smart. I am just aware of how dumb I am thanks to all the things I broke.
@@singletona082 there's an old saying, I know I'm stupid, so I must be smarter than you. 😜👌
Not true anymore, probably was true once. I have Linux running on a laptop I use for mostly just email and internet. I used Linux in college but that was decades ago and I have forgotten all the stuff I don't use daily. Anyhow point is, I'm running Mint and it is as easy to install programs and do routine stuff as Windows. At one time you had to have some knowledge to run Linux, but not anymore. Pretty much anyone can do it.
@@valis992000 you must be fun at parties
Great channel Andy! and I LOVE the music you play afterwards - awesome 🤩
Thanks!
I had this idea a few years ago but don't have the knowhow. Glad someone finally did it.
Firmware music goes unnecessarily hard, love it
Great video, thanks Andy. You asked about the Licensed Amateur setting. This turns encryption OFF because it's illegal to use encryption on the ham bands. I have unchecked the Licence Ham setting, so that I am just a Joe Public in this scenario. Best 73, Ace G0ACE
That outro track you've made is a banger
Off grid referring to not using the traditional internet (www). This is, however, introducing a new type of grid. Not everyone would want to create this and so perhaps you let others use your infrastructure then you're the same as an service provider. Being on a grid isn't inherently bad. What matter is the grid you prefer to be on and what you expect from it.
I don't understand what problem this solves and what the primary use case of this is. It's a great video explaining the setup but I have no clue what this is. Is it for local text messaging (SMS)? Is it a internet hotspot?
Yes it's (primarily) for sending text messages, but crucially it doesn't have to be local as your messages can hop across multiple nodes to the destination. Internet would definitely not be very effective as the bitrate is *very* slow.
@@ThatMattWhite Ok, cool. Thanks! Now it seems like it can be useful in case of an internet blackout or maybe even for privacy reasons.
no records of comms or logs available to gov or other opressive forces
Hi Andy , thank you so much for great video. I think I just got hooked up , ordered my first device ...
Brilliant! Concise! Just what I needed! TNX OM!
Really cool, mind adding a link or description on the type of battery? i'm very new to this. cheers
I would also like to know what type of battery I need for the board. I am definitely going to get one if I know what battery I need.
FYI leaking your nearby wifi SSIDs can leak your physical location.
Nice! Going by your amazon postcode if I get into this you may be in range of me! (Antenna providing)! Nice to see other people interested in this too!
That thing is sweet, like the hardware. It has Wifi and an antennae, USB C, OLED
Hi Andy, sounds very interesting indeed will have a go at this it looks great :) Your Music you have created is top notch mate, reminds me of Paul Van Dyk very nice indeed :) any links to the full remix or a mixed set you have done?
Obvious question: why doesn't the manufacturer sell these fully assembled and sell them by the hundreds of thousands?
Hello Andy. Great job on the Vids! 🍻 I am in Japan and from what I can see (if I am looking correctly) there are only a handful of these units here and I have half of them! lol
I may have to get external antennae's and setup a repeater due to my 5600 Km LOS that I would like to cover. I need to setup a test Emergency Comms plan in preps for these earthquakes here. I am pretty familiar with location, power and basic antennas but, this is all new to me.
Any chance we could correspond so that I can get these correctly setup. Thank you for any assistance. 🤟
Sorry it’s the wrong video to comment on but looking for help, on your Audi TT just wondering what MPG you are getting with it being stage 3 now? Would love to know thanks !!
Better than it was as standard! The thing is, with my tune my turbo spools up around 3K RPM so if you are doing an eco drive you are basically off boost. Of course if you tear around everywhere then it's worse👍🏼😅
@@andykirby cheers mate best tt build I seen out there for sure! Seen your channels flying recently don’t forget us petrol heads when your famous 😂
5:04 Does the web based installer work with Firefox?
It's pretty cool, although when starlink starts supporting SMS, and eventually calls, I guess this kind of tech will become less necessary.
Elon cannot turn this off to help the Russians...
You're missing the point entirely - decentralisation
I’ve watched a few similar videos and I’m confused - can you mesh with a national group of existing nodes to potentially reach thousands of miles away or is it just self-deployed nodes (like a LAN)?
I would love to take part, but I cannot DIY electronics to save my life. Are there any ready built products that utilize meshtastic?
This is built , you just put software on it
yeah thers a device looks like a blackberry
"So now you've got your drivers installed . " . . . . . nope, not happening, it will recognise that the device needs a driver but matter which software driver I install from Silicon Labs it will not work, even if I install and restart. The manual install instructions are just out of my grasp, would not know where to start. Any ideas? - Update, I uninstalled the device in device manager then plugged it back in and it recognised it!
Do you have a link to the battery you are using plz Andy
Amazing! Andy, are you also going to explore Helium?
I've looked into it briefly, I might get a miner up and running just to see which other miners it would connect to. I'm defo more interested in meshtastic though!
Helium is DOA in terms of actual usability. Anything outside of occasionally polled sensors and it's mind bogglingly expensive even in the 1st world. Those 24 byte packets really add up if you want to run something like a phone call, or even frequent text messaging.
You didn't discuss anything about the items that came with this device package and how they are used. There's another red/black cable with a tiny Molex Type Connector and two standing devices or maybe Arduino Connectors. I'm really not sure what they are used for. Also, you are connecting a USB C Data Cable to the ESP32 Device. Is the other end a USB A Connector to the Computer? You're trying to interface with the 'Meshtastic' download just accomplished. Is that correct? Please clarify. Also, how do you get the antenna into the container? It's too long.
But whats the point , any usefull ways of using that ?
Overseas with gf or family within a few kms range you got a free text messaging service without needing phone or internet or needing wifi hotspots on holidays.....plus you can share eachothers gps locations without needing to worry and trying to stand out the front of popular stores or statues to find eachother..and if many of you are spread out between eachother you will get a wider coverage if someone's further away from you.
This is amazing!
with these Heltec Lora 32 V3's do they automatically do their thing (of meshing) . Do you have to setup some to be repeaters or something? if myself and say 4-5 people in my area each being 1km or 1.5km hop further. Will it extend the ranges of the "zone" to be much wider automatic. or do you need to setup maybe 2 or 3 of them as being repeaters. Or does each meshtastic device do it's own thing with the relays and extending the zone.
7:30 Hi Andy where did you get the battery from, did you get it on eBay? Is it possible you can post a direct link to the website where you bought yours please? I am thinking of buying one it looks really interesting. Thanks.
There is no way you live this close to me!! we could definitely get a mesh going
Where are you? Lol! Most of hertford down to about Ware is now covered, so if you are in the vicinity grab one and join the Hertford mesh!
@@andykirbyI managed a 23 Mile dx contact today. Unfortunately nothing into Heartfield.
Still amazed at the 23 miles it's unbelievable.
On what? Meshtastic??
@@andykirby . Got about 800m range on mine with a omni in my roof. I'm just the town to the left of you. I had no idea you were so close!
@@andykirby 23 miles is insane what was the rssi on that?
869.525 is the UK open frequency. In the US isn't 902 to 928. If you go outside of those frequencies you are breaking the law. Also, if you mark off armature radio operator, you can use different frequencies. But you must have a license for it.
Good stuff. Side note, did you spend lots of time driving, like for a profession? Also do you drive on the left side of the road? Thanks.
yes left in uk
Meshtastic app needs 16.2 iOS or better - no go if on an old iPhone SE :(
0:50 do you know how to use a meshtastic device with a Windows PC without internet?
IRC is how we used to communicate in Anonymous... IRC = Internet Relay Chat
Yeah of course.
Hi Andy, great video. I'm finding no activity in my area after buying a Heltec v3 which is a little disappointing. I understand the supplied antenna is a little lacking, what 868mhz antenna would you recommend to pair with the Heltec that still provides portability (also not too expensive). Thanks
This one if you havent already got it... www.experimental-engineering.co.uk/product/868mhz-2dbi-helical-lora-antenna-ufl/
Ulitmately the best option is a home/loft mounted (if you haven't got solar)
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Activity will come😁 have you checked the canvis meshtastic map to see if there are users in your area?
Question if the app is not open on your cell phone and you get a message, will it be saved for you to see next time the app is opened? or any type of notification ? Thanks!
Can there be encrypted end to end messaging? sounds like cool tech
the audio in the end...volume was a bit much.
which country are you in? I'm in UK and some are saying 433 and some 868
There's some HAMS using them on 433mhz, but the majority is on 868mhz.
Is there someone out there who did a video to set up in the U.S.?
I felt like an idiot trying to set up this device. Consider that I've always built my own computers since 1996. I've even replaced motherboards on my laptop as well. However, no one ever said on any of the videos I've watched that you can not configure WiFi and Bluetooth on the same ESP32 device. So....no matter how many times I reflashed my new devices, they would not work on Bluetooth. Then I saw on the Meshtastic Website, highlighted in blue background, if WiFi is configured, then Bluetooth will not work on an ESP32 device. As long as you live, you'll always be learning. Everything is working.
Algo landed me here…What is the general use case for this? Just curious…
Mainly hobbyist at the moment, prepper sort of thing.
Not finding any mesh user in Bristol :( shout if you're local
Discord invite expired. Fyi. Thx for the info.
So does this little gadget (the Heltec V3) now become a node for other people to also connect to and it connects to other nearby nodes? i.e. if I set this up and put it in my window it will allow me and my neighbors etc. to join the mesh network?
Yes exactly!
My only question would be how do you know when you connect it to your computer it’s not installing malware?
It's a USB-serial device, I do not think Malware can be transferred from such a device.
Great video, just got my Heltec and flashed OK but get a Unpowered text on the unit, with a No GPS as well is it just there are no other units in range?? Thanks Colin
Yes, check the meshtastic map to see if anyone is near you (some stations might not have added themselves yet)
canvis.app/meshtastic-map
Join our discord too:
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THanks for the info and link@@andykirby
1234, 0000. 123456, 000000 dont work, I cant access bluetooth, any ideas?
So this is for DMR radios? I am not there, but than's anyway Andy! The best from LB1NH 🙂
No, it's DIY sms system
it's its own system transmitting on free frequencies
Peer to peer dmr is great, I love it.
ROFLOL breaker breaker 1-9, We had cb radios decades ago. This seems rather silly.
Can someone send out a message to a specific person and receive an answer back from that specific person, providing they are in range of each other?
Yes, and if there are people in between your message will be passed on via their device They cant read it unless you send a public message.
Sounds like an interesting system!
Do they have a built on battery or do the need usbc power at all times?
You can plug a battery in. It has a battery socket
Could make your own in similar fashion, no?
lets talk about the ring cameras being hacked...
Yay.. I got the right one from ALi.. 🙂
Awesome!
@@andykirby It arrived... but they sent the 443 one.. 868 on the way so I now have one running on 443 as well.
I thought one of the advantages of being off-grid was being away from networks?
The Amish, for instance, reject conveniences outright. They don't make their own cars or generate their own power, for instance.
how private/anonymous is this?
Can anyone point me toward the correct battery for this??????????????????
shame that a self sufficient kit couldn't be knocked up (solar by day battery by night) and plant these at random locations to create an ultimate network . would be awesome
There was a project called disaster radio that foresaw exactly that.
Unfortunately, the project died.
But in war... Doesn't modern EW kill these signals? Like would this currently working in say Ukraine where there lots of EW
@@mikasjoman LoRA transmissions can often change parameters to be adapted to EW signals to reduce effectiveness of jamming. How good this works depends from what EW signals you are facing so this can't be a "yes or no" question.
People are literally doing this already lol
@@ad5000donnellwell, that’s encouraging to know… If you have any names please share.
My favorite part was where you didn’t explain what the heck this thing is
Like yeah….. what the heck is this thing and what does it do???
It’s a low powered off the grid communication node that lets you text anyone with another node in range, or multiple people depending on how many nodes, or if they’re set up on Wi-Fi
@@consideritdunn691 It’s a low powered off the grid communication node that lets you text anyone with another node in range, or multiple people depending on how many nodes, or if they’re set up on Wi-Fi
Great use for that old mobile phone with no sim still connects via Bluetooth. Awesome.
This is the first time I hear of this technology and it's so cool, it's basically just the internet, but even the infrastructure itself is in the hands of the people. Super cool stuff.
You should look up ClusterDuck Protocol too then and other videos like it.
If it only worked...
It's not Internet. At all. It's text messaging over radio.
@@BrightBlueJim
it will be crucial for the years ahead..
we can do this with routers and many devices.
Only high end ISP's are advertised but we can still get dialup and/or make our own networks through neighborhoods and cities (and iirc a guy in Colorado did this for free for the entire (small) city/town.).by using low end wifi routers, but we need to be closer or have specialized and focused antenneas.
One company did this with laser and has to be line of sight but tons of bandwidth... all private, unregulated.
If you bought 20 wifi routers and shared them with your neighbors you too can setup a private lan.
The benefit of comcast/frontier (high end companies) is speed and bandwidth on their infrastructure...but with their ties to spy on you (which is basically their own interests and service).
basically the term internet or web is only the transfer of data, which can be done in many ways, and dial-up is decent for chat rooms and afaik free these days (if you have a land-line).
Excellent introduction video, Andy! Thank you for sharing.
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Andy Kirby.... the man and the legend who makes the intro, contents, and outro music kick ass. :D :D
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@@andykirby- Putting Armin van Buuren to shame with your incredible trans/techo/EDM fusion. :)
I live very near to the south Devon coast. My helium miner hits the channel islands from here, no problem. It also pings off portland regularly. This got me thinking. Once offshore, boats have either no, or very expensive connections. This cheap piece of kit could be a very useful way of sending messages, particularly a mayday/panpan.
From my location alone, I could cover a big chunk of the English Channel.
Fascinating! You should definitely set a mesh up. What antenna are you using on your miner?
Boats have DSC for that purpose,and it's is free and well monitored
Hf-Vhf radio is mandatory from vessels ranging in small and upwards. Larger vessels usually have Satcom and LTE links.
Is helium mining worth it? been considering using one of those and later setting up with a solar panel (Live on east coastish shit town in a flyover state so no competitive issues).
hmm this is neat. I don't think i'll get one but it seems like something cool during a power outage to be able to send messages over a mesh that was still powered by solar or something.
Be careful with "just plug in a battery". There is no standard for the polarisation of that little connector.
Andy, W3ATB here in the USA. MANY thanks for this amazing video. It's very clear. If you need home improvement advice, I'm your go-to guy. TNX again.
I was considering attaching one of these to a helium balloon, above my house to get so good range!
PS Love the uplifting trance, I grew up on this stuff. Do you upload your tracks anywhere?
Great videos on the Metastatic Andy. My two Haltec boards arrived today and this video really helped me set them up. Im yet to find any other nodes in my town. Tomorrow i will be heading to high ground for the sunday Chanel 34 afternoon DX net. The Meshtastic will be with me. If anyone fancies trying some DX. Ill be on from about 2pm. Hopfully i can find some active nodes.
I have a homelab/server that runs 24/7 - going to look at how I can set up a repeater node for this, hopefully we can get a mesh covering most of the UK.
Could you start a website or Telegram group to coordinate this? I’d much prefer something that didn’t rely on Facebook
I was gonna get a helium miner way back in the day...mesh stuff is cool .I have a hpe server running to and would love to setup a node .
It wasn't just a communication system it used secure scuttlebutt so it mould be more like social media
@@bigmouthstrikesagain4056It uses secure Scuttlebutt, an open-source protocol and network for decentralized social networking.
It’s similar to a traditional social network, but instead of relying on a central server, it uses a peer-to-peer network of devices to store and distribute posts, messages and other content.
The protocol is designed to be secure and decentralized, using end-to-end encryption to protect user privacy and prevent censorship.
It also doesn’t require an internet connection to work, making it useful for people in areas with limited or no internet access.
Sounds cool to
Where do you get that plastic case..? None in stock anywhere
Im so going to give this a go😊
Can't you configure it from a PC? I really hate things that need apps to work.
There is a web app for PC
Yes, I didn't mention this because it's still got bugs.
Iv been eyeing up lora devices for meshtastic for a few years now! Glad you've decided to give em a look too
Do you have any Open Source alternatives which don't require you to join an association like "LoRa Alliance"?
I did some investigating if this is popular here in Finland and it seems that the government already built a lora network that covers the whole country. Still trying to figure the pricing.
Wow didn't know that, sounds amazing, based on your info I am placing an order for few to keep the family connected 🙏
I have no idea what this device even does but it looks cool
Andy, could you show an sdr screen of what the signal looks and sounds like please, for identifying meshtastic nodes are about using an sdr. Nobody on youtube seems to have done this
Yes this would be a good idea I think as well please
It's series of up chirps, basically very slow chopped sawtooth wave.
Light enough to fly up on a drone!
Would love to try this with a decent kite, as a budget alternative
a blimp is probably better, drones have very limited flight time
Taped to the side of a Mylar balloon might accidentally make a parabolic antenna. Fill the balloon with helium for altitude and extra confusion!
Hi Andy i based near orpington kent a few weeks ago i got a node 113 miles away west of Birmingham i looked at our SE meshtatic group and some other members also got this node
are they running some high gain antenna ?
i had a few nodes 50 -60 miles in the south cost
Andy have you had any good ranges
paul
@andy - loving the tunes, do you have another channel for music production?
just ordered some of these to have a play with - it would be interesting to link the mesh via the net to expand the system UK to Ireland.
That keyboard model very much intrigues me.
The Lilygo T-deck, apparently they use unbranded blackberry keyboards. I first ran across it looking for mini PCs and it caught my eye too, but I had no idea what any of this stuff was until now. About the same price on Amazon as the little device Andy shows here.
@@TheRealAlpha2 Ooh, I must check it out. And buy one.
Get started wasting your time and money.
Going to buy Japanese ready out of the box.
Thanks for this video. I didn't know where to start.
But what do you do with it when its up and running? What is its purpose or what can it do?
Text messaging. GPS tracking, much like APRS really.
you get to talk to a load of prepper/ham nerds 😂
the system was designed for IoT devices so mostly sensors and other automated devices sending simple telemetry as a message to a home base. Or allow simple remote control.
anyone have advice on simplest way to get those little OED screens? reminds me of the ones in ledger nano and i just wanna get more i have a thumby maybe ill just use that
How about Linux? Drivers needed or not?
Not usually.
Great video and I love the music, subscribed 🎶😁
Someone needs to sell them with all needed in a case ready assembled
interesting, but only useful for nerds in a local proximity i guess?
or does it work like mobile data network / used with SIM like back in the blackberry / iphone era where they discovered this "unused" network?
whats the max bandwidth of this network or does it use wifi?
I reckon there'll be some "specialist retailer networks" using these for boss-to-lackey communication soon enough. Line of Duty season 7 coming up...
Great information Andy