I shoot 613 grains for hogs here in oklahoma. Sirius super nova with 100 grain outsert and 150 grain single bevel cutthroat. 31" arrow but am still at a little over 17% foc
That was cool. After 12 seasons of shooting pro-shop recommended 390 gr "hunting" arrows, I found Troy Fowler's videos about building what he calls "adult arrows." Physics will always trump opinions. I built my own that come in at just over 590 gr. I insert tuned and nock tuned them. They do not deflect when hitting leaves, small stems and briars, because they don't have any internal energy fighting against flying straight. Shot my first whitetail with one, through Japanese honey suckle at 30 yards and the arrow maintained is path through the light brush, through the deer and buried into the ground almost 12" in the same path. I don't recommend doing that unless the arrows have been insert tuned and nock tuned in their bare shaft state. Then, the fletchings assist target than compensate.
@@cariboumediaoutdoors I've killed nearly 100 deer with a bow and arrow and had poor penetration on at least 8 of them, because there's such thing as a shoulder blade and rib bones lol. I don't think that'll be an issue anymore.
@@GardenArcher7625 my family will eat about 2-3 deer per year at a minimum. In times past, when I would kill on average 9-10 deer per season, I was hunting to help provide food for families that I personally knew were in need. It's been a tremendous blessing to learn to hunt whitetail deer
@@TheHYENA87 I started out shooting 550 with my 65lbs Hoyt, then bumped it up to 580. I think anywhere between 550 and 600 provides lots of stopping power, penetration and good kinetic energy. It's totally personal preference. It also depends on if you are looking for a particular speed.
@@GardenArcher7625 the throat of the nock means the inside where the nock connects to the string. The drop away arrow rests sit behind the arrow shelf, so you're able to cut them shorter than your draw length.
@@TheHYENA87 I shot 550 and 580 with a 65# Hoyt. It's all personal preference. I'm never shooting father than 30 - 40 yards while hunting, so I personally don't mind the heavier weight.
@@cariboumediaoutdoors What spine arrows do you use? I'm the same draw length so I'm just trying to get a baseline for when I start building some new arrows.
Definitely not opposed to heavy arrows. Been using 580-ish grain arrows this year, up from 530-ish last year, but only because I have a higher poundage bow this season. I'll be slipping back down a significant bit next season just to level out my speed vs. momentum arrows. Just gotta watch out for your trajectory hump for those unknown distances. My 60 lbs bow with 600 grain arrows was close to an 18 inch drop between 20 and 30 yards. Crazy amount of drop for such a short distance.
I shoot 515 but I keep my shots under 25 yards so speed isn't big deal but I found trying to shave weight for little extra speed you don't gain as much as one would think so I just go back to that 500 ish arrow
I shot my 530 setup I’ve decided on las week against some I tuned up at about 420. The trajectory difference between 20 and 40 was barely noticeable. At 50 it was a bunch, at 60 it was almost 2 feet, but then at 75 it was back to about 10”. They’d converge at 80. I shoot feathers so vanes might come out different but I didn’t see anything that would make me switch to lights. If I had an 80 pound bow maybe but at 67 it’s not like you’re trading a lightning bolt for a mortar.
I like it! I am shooting 585 grains at 60# and 29.5" draw. My bow hunting happens 40 yards or less. I can sight at least 90 yards. That is not why I bow hunt. Shooting targets is fun. The most deviation in my personal set up is at 60 yards an it is minimal. That is with a 535 grain arrow, and a 585 grain arrow..Fun stuff!
I'm also shooting a 590 gr now (day six 300, 27.5'', 125 in/outsert and 125 head) from a Hoyt RX-4 Turbo at 63lbs and 28'' draw (maxed out limbs/cams). Getting about 245fps which which I think is pretty good and I'm accurate out to 60, just had to open up my pins with the 3 pin/slider. Even out west where I am I won't ethically shoot at an animal past 60.. if you can't call em in closer than 60 yds you should be rifle hunting anyway imo.
I like my arrows in the mid to upper 400s range 450 to 480. I like the idea of heavy arrows for extra large game, but agree that shot placement and sharp broadheads are paramount. If you did a similar video, maybe camera angle from side of range instead of directly behind would show trajectory better. good job though, If anybody hating on you, I'd like to see what kind of footage they produce.
I shoot 482 at 286 I feel that’s a sweet spot for me I’m 29” dl I can shoot out past 100 yards on game the furthest I’ve shot is 86 and it hit double lung full pass through deer didn’t go far so I’m not sure I need to add weight or take it away
@@cariboumediaoutdoors Cheers thanks Im thinking also maybe don't know if it's worth it but keeping same site pin to show the drop off target if you know what i am trying to say ..
@@victorpashkevich8801 absolutely 💯 I did that in my The Difference Between Light and Heavy Arrows video. I kept my pin at the 600 grain and also shot two other lighter ones to show the difference on the target.
I don't think average bowhunters needs 600 or 700 grain arrow unless they shoot moose, Jebra or Cape buffalo. But I also don't like the idea of shooting 375-400 grain arrow, specially with mechanical broadhead. Too light means not enough momentum and mechanical broadheads waste a lot of kinetic energy while opening the blade. 450-500 grain weight is very suitable for whitetails and same size animals.
@@gearjammer0445 I didn't say there's any problem. No matter what, everyone's set-up is gonna be different. I just said not eveyone needs very heavy arrow. It depends on many things.
I'm glad you mentioned momentum, since that is actually what matters in penetration, NOT kinetic energy which has become the standard of comparison unfortunately. Of course there are other factors, like flex of the arrow on impact, broadhead design and sharpness, etc; but with all of those other factors being equal, it is the momentum of the projectile which drives the broadhead through an object. Look up the definition of momentum and kinetic energy in any physics book. I use a couple of analogies to demonstrate this principle. One is would you rather I threw a golfball at your head as hard as I could from say, 30 ft away, or a ping-pong ball? Another is; which do you think would go further, an 80,000# truck going 40mph and crashing into a bunch of parked cars, or a VW beetle going 50mph doing the same? Kinetic energy matters with a bullet, especially a supersonic one, which generates a shock wave; but not with an arrow travelling MUCH slower which does not. It's all about driving the broadhead through as much vital tissue as possible, and momentum, which basically is the amount of energy required to stop a moving object, is the primary force in that.
That's just not true. I'm shooting 375 grains at just over 80 lbs of kinetic energy with a moderate size mechanical and it blows thru whitetails, shoulders and ribs with ease. I've shot a lot of deer with it and never had any problems. The arrow sticks into the ground hard after a pass thru. I've been bow hunting for 50 years now and this set-up is the best I've had for whitetails. I shot thru a buck when I was 11 years old with a 30 lb recurve at 22 yards and the arrow went through and stuck out the other side. It doesn't take much to kill a whitetail. I think a lot of people are over thinking this and making it more difficult than it needs to be. Just use some common sense. Good luck next season guys
One issue I have mine is it's hard to tune this this bow....first time prime owner I also have 7 other different brand bows but this prime is a pain to tune
I would take it in to a Pro Shop and see if they can help you. I didn't have any issues with mine. If there is an issue, perhaps a bow tech who has experience with Prime can help you.
You need to ask some rifle hunters about deer reacting to sound of shot. I have known some poor shots who emptied lever actions at a deer. All the deer did was look around like, what the hell was that.
I shoot 613 grains for hogs here in oklahoma. Sirius super nova with 100 grain outsert and 150 grain single bevel cutthroat. 31" arrow but am still at a little over 17% foc
Wow that's incredible. I bet it's devastating on the receiving end.
Good video mate , and nice arrow weight and at least you know your arrow is going to punch though any game animal you shoot at
Thanks John
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That was cool. After 12 seasons of shooting pro-shop recommended 390 gr "hunting" arrows, I found Troy Fowler's videos about building what he calls "adult arrows." Physics will always trump opinions. I built my own that come in at just over 590 gr. I insert tuned and nock tuned them. They do not deflect when hitting leaves, small stems and briars, because they don't have any internal energy fighting against flying straight. Shot my first whitetail with one, through Japanese honey suckle at 30 yards and the arrow maintained is path through the light brush, through the deer and buried into the ground almost 12" in the same path. I don't recommend doing that unless the arrows have been insert tuned and nock tuned in their bare shaft state. Then, the fletchings assist target than compensate.
Thanks man. I'm sure you enjoy and be more successful with those heavier arrows much more than the ones recommended by the pro shop.
@@cariboumediaoutdoors I've killed nearly 100 deer with a bow and arrow and had poor penetration on at least 8 of them, because there's such thing as a shoulder blade and rib bones lol. I don't think that'll be an issue anymore.
Like your comment and agree. RF taught you well
@@jasonito1723 I wish I had learned these important truths earlier, but I'm very thankful that Troy is sharing it, because it's highly valuable
@@GardenArcher7625 my family will eat about 2-3 deer per year at a minimum. In times past, when I would kill on average 9-10 deer per season, I was hunting to help provide food for families that I personally knew were in need. It's been a tremendous blessing to learn to hunt whitetail deer
Just for reference in this video I'm shooting at 70# bow at 30 inch draw.
Would you still be at 600 grains if you were at say a 60# ?
@@TheHYENA87 I started out shooting 550 with my 65lbs Hoyt, then bumped it up to 580. I think anywhere between 550 and 600 provides lots of stopping power, penetration and good kinetic energy. It's totally personal preference. It also depends on if you are looking for a particular speed.
@@GardenArcher7625 the throat of the nock means the inside where the nock connects to the string. The drop away arrow rests sit behind the arrow shelf, so you're able to cut them shorter than your draw length.
@@TheHYENA87 I shot 550 and 580 with a 65# Hoyt. It's all personal preference. I'm never shooting father than 30 - 40 yards while hunting, so I personally don't mind the heavier weight.
@@cariboumediaoutdoors What spine arrows do you use? I'm the same draw length so I'm just trying to get a baseline for when I start building some new arrows.
Definitely not opposed to heavy arrows. Been using 580-ish grain arrows this year, up from 530-ish last year, but only because I have a higher poundage bow this season. I'll be slipping back down a significant bit next season just to level out my speed vs. momentum arrows. Just gotta watch out for your trajectory hump for those unknown distances. My 60 lbs bow with 600 grain arrows was close to an 18 inch drop between 20 and 30 yards. Crazy amount of drop for such a short distance.
I'm posting another video today showing the arrow drop of a 604, 565 and 397 grain arrow as well as the time they take to hit the target.
I shoot 515 but I keep my shots under 25 yards so speed isn't big deal but I found trying to shave weight for little extra speed you don't gain as much as one would think so I just go back to that 500 ish arrow
I shot my 530 setup I’ve decided on las week against some I tuned up at about 420. The trajectory difference between 20 and 40 was barely noticeable. At 50 it was a bunch, at 60 it was almost 2 feet, but then at 75 it was back to about 10”. They’d converge at 80. I shoot feathers so vanes might come out different but I didn’t see anything that would make me switch to lights. If I had an 80 pound bow maybe but at 67 it’s not like you’re trading a lightning bolt for a mortar.
Thank you, GREAT video
Glad you liked it!
I like it! I am shooting 585 grains at 60# and 29.5" draw. My bow hunting happens 40 yards or less. I can sight at least 90 yards. That is not why I bow hunt. Shooting targets is fun. The most deviation in my personal set up is at 60 yards an it is minimal. That is with a 535 grain arrow, and a 585 grain arrow..Fun stuff!
That's awesome Clint 🏹 🎯
Targets are fun. Live animals are a responsibility. Tune your bow, sharpen your broad heads, practice, practice, practice!
@@clintwalker7690 that's what I say!
I'm also shooting a 590 gr now (day six 300, 27.5'', 125 in/outsert and 125 head) from a Hoyt RX-4 Turbo at 63lbs and 28'' draw (maxed out limbs/cams). Getting about 245fps which which I think is pretty good and I'm accurate out to 60, just had to open up my pins with the 3 pin/slider. Even out west where I am I won't ethically shoot at an animal past 60.. if you can't call em in closer than 60 yds you should be rifle hunting anyway imo.
nice yard. What are the tall green grasses in the background?
j/k... looks like my home state.
If you know the speed of your arrow that would be a interesting reference to the trajectory we viewed in combo with the arrow weight you shared.
If I had to guess it would be between 250 to 260 ft per sec.
That bow sounds knackered mate , get it looked at
I had a couple of loose screws in the cam that were tightened at the end of the video.
I like my arrows in the mid to upper 400s range 450 to 480. I like the idea of heavy arrows for extra large game, but agree that shot placement and sharp broadheads are paramount. If you did a similar video, maybe camera angle from side of range instead of directly behind would show trajectory better. good job though, If anybody hating on you, I'd like to see what kind of footage they produce.
Thanks. I was thinking of a camera angle from the side, but at those distances the camera would be too far away. I may give it a shot anyway.
Hi, im new to this.
could i use 31'6 inch 500 grain carbon arrow on 27'5 drawlenght on a 60 pound bow? Dont now if i need to cut them.
Thanx
You can, but they'll stick out pretty far. You'll get better results if you cut them.
Thanx for the advice !
@@pauledspang9086 just make sure you measure where they need to be cut so they don't end up too short!
I shoot 482 at 286 I feel that’s a sweet spot for me I’m 29” dl I can shoot out past 100 yards on game the furthest I’ve shot is 86 and it hit double lung full pass through deer didn’t go far so I’m not sure I need to add weight or take it away
That's awesome.
I’d leave it where it is.
That bow is louddd
thought the same thing
Found a couple of loose screws on the cam after the video.
Whats that noise at the shot? Is that your quiver making that noise?
I had a screw loose on my cam.
@@cariboumediaoutdoors Oooh ok. Sorry that noise just jumped out at me immediately. I was like that aint good lol
I noticed it at the end of recording and tightened it up.
would be good to see from a side view
I should do another video of the side view. If you look at my Nockturnal Lighted Nocks video I have a couple of side view shots.
@@cariboumediaoutdoors Cheers thanks Im thinking also maybe don't know if it's worth it but keeping same site pin to show the drop off target if you know what i am trying to say ..
@@victorpashkevich8801 absolutely 💯 I did that in my The Difference Between Light and Heavy Arrows video. I kept my pin at the 600 grain and also shot two other lighter ones to show the difference on the target.
I don't think average bowhunters needs 600 or 700 grain arrow unless they shoot moose, Jebra or Cape buffalo. But I also don't like the idea of shooting 375-400 grain arrow, specially with mechanical broadhead. Too light means not enough momentum and mechanical broadheads waste a lot of kinetic energy while opening the blade. 450-500 grain weight is very suitable for whitetails and same size animals.
Is there such a thing as over killing something? Let the guy fling what he wants. If he’s dialed in for 600 then whats the problem?
@@gearjammer0445 I didn't say there's any problem. No matter what, everyone's set-up is gonna be different. I just said not eveyone needs very heavy arrow. It depends on many things.
I'm glad you mentioned momentum, since that is actually what matters in penetration, NOT kinetic energy which has become the standard of comparison unfortunately. Of course there are other factors, like flex of the arrow on impact, broadhead design and sharpness, etc; but with all of those other factors being equal, it is the momentum of the projectile which drives the broadhead through an object. Look up the definition of momentum and kinetic energy in any physics book. I use a couple of analogies to demonstrate this principle. One is would you rather I threw a golfball at your head as hard as I could from say, 30 ft away, or a ping-pong ball? Another is; which do you think would go further, an 80,000# truck going 40mph and crashing into a bunch of parked cars, or a VW beetle going 50mph doing the same? Kinetic energy matters with a bullet, especially a supersonic one, which generates a shock wave; but not with an arrow travelling MUCH slower which does not. It's all about driving the broadhead through as much vital tissue as possible, and momentum, which basically is the amount of energy required to stop a moving object, is the primary force in that.
That's just not true. I'm shooting 375 grains at just over 80 lbs of kinetic energy with a moderate size mechanical and it blows thru whitetails, shoulders and ribs with ease. I've shot a lot of deer with it and never had any problems. The arrow sticks into the ground hard after a pass thru. I've been bow hunting for 50 years now and this set-up is the best I've had for whitetails. I shot thru a buck when I was 11 years old with a 30 lb recurve at 22 yards and the arrow went through and stuck out the other side. It doesn't take much to kill a whitetail. I think a lot of people are over thinking this and making it more difficult than it needs to be. Just use some common sense. Good luck next season guys
@@gearjammer0445 good point; as long as the performance is there, it's mostly a matter of preference.
What weight are you pulling?
70lbs. 30 inch draw.
One issue I have mine is it's hard to tune this this bow....first time prime owner I also have 7 other different brand bows but this prime is a pain to tune
I would take it in to a Pro Shop and see if they can help you. I didn't have any issues with mine. If there is an issue, perhaps a bow tech who has experience with Prime can help you.
Thats why I buy elite. Took me literally 6 min to tune a 613 grain arrow. But prime does make a fine bow, no arguing that
I have a prime nexus 4 and have had zero troubles with it. Honestly best shooting bow I've ever had. Take it to a reputable shop.
@@projectredbeard2199 I actually traded the nexus 4 for inline 3 and what a difference I love it
@@greekmaster1001 ahh I see. Glad you got one that works for you. My nexus 4 has made me a prime fan for sure haha
I feel like I could catch that arrow..
Haha I definitely feel like you could not.
That arrow is going a minimum of 160 miles per hour at 60 yards. You are not catching it.
That bow sounds loud with that heavy arrow .
maybe i missed it but how much DW were you pulling there?
70 pounds 30 inch draw.
@@cariboumediaoutdoors jerk,lol...You long draw guys can shoot anything fast.. so jealous.. cool video, thanks for posting!
@@andysmith8295 glad you liked it. I know. I'm spoiled with my 30 inch draw.
Looks to me like it leaves a lot of time and room for deer to react to the sound of the shot before the arrow strikes them.
You need to ask some rifle hunters about deer reacting to sound of shot. I have known some poor shots who emptied lever actions at a deer. All the deer did was look around like, what the hell was that.