One way of keeping water out of the enclosures over the chain plates would be to leave a small hole at the bottom. In addition to water possibly leaking in past degraded silicone caulking diurnal condensation can accumulate water over time. If there is a small hole at the bottom it can help eliminate this. You did a great job on the replacement / upgrade! Your video is bound to be helpful to others.
Thanks so much Richard! Yes we drilled holes in the bottom of each encasement as you say to enable us to monitor any future leaks. We also used a 'neutral cure' sealant which doesn't affect the stainless. Thanks again - we hope you keep following along!
Great work! The most wonderful aspect of all the hard work is the time and experience you two had together .. your memories will long outlast the new chain plates!
Boy, Darren isn't afraid to tackle any job.....no matter how difficult. He had a good helper and that does make things easier. One thing did concern me.....I've know of several people that didn't use gloves or protective skin cream and became sensitized to the resin mix and now breakout in hives if they get near to resin fumes. One persons throat even swells up. This repair would have cost a fortune if you hired some shop to do it and it may not have been as well done as your workmanship.
Oh gosh Ed that resin is lethal isn't it. Yes we had a few conversations about that ;) Yes we are pretty happy with the job we did and continue with the idea that the more love we give Sarean the more she will keep us safe!
You two oooose serenity really, you do everything with such relaxed confidence. Lovely to watch you battle through the problem and work it out as you go - without a manual! So what would that have cost without your week of grinding in the heat? If you omg, paid someone to do it? Nearly $2 grand for the stainless alone! So what happened to the Ausi - if its not broke done fix it, ha ha. You are living the dream, even with the grinding! Love watching you guys make it look so easy.
Thanks so much Craig - so glad you enjoyed the vid! Yes we clocked in at about 230 hours work. Amazingly the stainless only came in at about $1400. We were very lucky to find Claude the Amazing Stainless Guy!
Good on ya for 'upsizing' those chainplates. I've watched s/v Prism redo theirs and they even went to C954 Aluminum Bronze, which is about 50% stronger than 316SS...Most people I watch doing 'fibre' work are wearing gloves --- we all just want Darren to be safe from hazards since he is showing us so much....FWAFS.
Your video series is truly unique. You have such a creative way of sharing a difficult 'job' . I appreciate your creativity and discipline as a couple. I admire too your confidence as you 'cut' into your home. I so look forward to each video. Thank you for making them.
Man your keen, it's like catalpa drillīng a trancducer hole in his ferro hull dryed out between tides . Cool, wish we could have seen how it looks with the nosecone off and shown us how you took it off, there must be some serious strong piece buried in glass up forward there. Another awkward mongrel job, gees those chain plates wow what a pain, just resin and glassed in ,no bolts to the stringer? at least it's over and you didn't have to destroy too much to get at em
Hey Phil! The Sidestays were bolted through to steel backing plates. Lower Shrouds glassed below the Stringers. It's a good system actually and we don't see them going anywhere as they have the t-section underneath holding them firm. Cheers and thanks so much for following along!
Enjoyed the maintenance episode. I could sense your doubt with the anchor roller nose cone mounting bolts. I suppose the boat has been on the water for thirty years with no anchor roller/ fore stay structural issues. so it would be fine. I'm restoring an older Farrier 720 and the designer recommends that when mounting and encapsulating a chainplate or any stainless or aluminium supports that you rough up the surface that is to be glassed with a sander to help with bonding. That pitted chainplate was it replaced or welded and sanded? Rob
Hi Rob! We replaced them all in the end. Even those that weren't looking bad. Our thought was that they stainless was not a huge cost and they were likely work hardened. Plus with doing the job ourselves we could keep costs at bay. You are correct with the sanding. Claude roughed up the lower portions and left the top section polished for us. The Nose Cone was really interesting for us! It had stainless plate welded on the inside that took the threaded bolts. We were just surprised I would say as we were expecting it to have slid over the end of the bow, instead of bolted on. Boy she looked pretty odd with it off!
Morning again, thanks for the feedback, I,m impressed with your work ethic and patients you show with explanations of your processes etc. Merry Christmas and kind regards Rob
Hi! Can you tell me what type resin you used for you repairs and what type thickener you used? I may be doing some fiberglassing of my own soon. Thanks and I am enjoying your videos.
Hey so glad you are enjoying our vids! I will answer you know in-case you want to get to work on your project! We mostly stick with West Systems. The thickener is called Michrospheres. It's a great product with easy to measure pump bottles. Check out their products, they are a good range! Meg
19 days and 1900 dollars. So questions... was that for all new chainplates or did you reuse some? Don't think you did but not sure. What about the bow nose? was that reused and new bow rollers welded on or did you fabricate a new one? You didn't replace your standing rigging so what age is it? As far as changing the chainplates, I feel you did the right thing, keeping it as it was built. Encapsulated lasted a while, its now that big of a deal to remove in your case, you didn't have to destroy wood to get to it. Maybe leave a weep hole. Also instead of silicone sealant I would use butyl tape for the deck area. Nice work guys!
You really do have a handy husband,he knows how to to fix everything. Enjoy you videos.was wondering where your home base is and what kind of boat you have ?
I hate grinding fiberglass! Whatever I'm wearing that day, when I'm done I just take it off and throw it away. And the dust goes everywhere and makes you itch for days afterward. One man said "If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats, He would have made fiberglass trees".
Well Hello John - Welcome To Our World! We have both been sailing in various forms since out late teens and early 20's. Check out our Q&A Video 'About Us' for more, or our BLOG www.sailingsvsarean.com. So glad to have you with us - wishing you a wonderful day!
Great video.l note Sarean was built 1985 in WA. Do you know the builder? I hand laid two Bowmans for a builder over there around 86/87. Any reflections on sloop Vs yawl rig? _thanks Peter
You remind me of the Movie "Boy in the bubble" Darren. I had a bitch about replacing my chain plates on my steel yacht recently. Welding new stainless on top of the deck was luxury in compare :) Luv the vid guys...
I just stumbled upon your video. What kind of boat is she? That was an enormous task. I am trying to ignore the idea of replacing my own chainplates but have been inspired by your effort. How long did the whole project take? How long did the fabricator take to make copies? Thank you for sharing your project.
Hi Tim - Welcome To Our World! You can do it! We were initially a bit timid on the concept, but in the end we just had to pick up the drill and take a look. Basically, it's just fibreglassed in - which is an easy product to work with when you think of it. Highly recommend the Renovator tool - Darren's new favourite! It took us 19 days and Claude (stainless guy) was great! Basically we would take a couple of chainplates to him as we pulled them out, and he would swap them over with new ones the following day. Sarean is a Bowman 47. You can check her specs on our blog here... www.svsarean.com/meet-sarean All the best for your chainplate journey!
Q&A Guys a few years to go and I will get my chance to be up in your local paddock on my floating home. So with this in mind as a reference is the sailing bible for that area "100 Magic Miles by David Colfelt" still relevant? Or as locals is there another reference book you could recommend on the Whitsunday Islands? Kind Regards Mud Guts.
Hi Dave! Yep the 100 Magic Miles is still a great reference. We have been using Navionics charting up this way which seems pretty accurate. How exciting for you! There are so many beautiful anchorages to explore you could get lost for years!
Hey Shaun. No we couldn't really do that. We had to glass them back under the stringers. However we have drilled holes at the bottom of each Chainplate so that we will be able to see water coming out if it does manage to get through the deck in the future.
Awww well there's a lovely story to that necklace actually Michael, which I will fill you in on in the next Q&A! Short story, the Black Pearl is from Fiji from a talented pearl carver by the name of Tokeroa Jim!
The Way You Fixed The Chain Plate,and Put the Fiberglass Around the Area,will Any Condensation Form Under It,Etc.How Did you,Or,Did you Ask Someone If That's the correct Way to Fix that the right Way.If that Is the right Way,Or Temporary..??Thank you.Look's Very time consuming to Work on Boat's.I Like The Fact you Made A Repair Shop,As It Were,Nice,Bravo..Being At Sea,With A Repair Shop,you Can hire your Self Out to People that Need something fixed...1st.Repair Shop Ive Seen In The Bluewater,Etc..
+FiddleStick's bessette Hi FiddleSticks! We are pretty happy with the repair. We had it well sealed off from the top prior to glassing so it should be good! Yes, one of the benefits we love about cruising is being able to 'pay it forward' with our skills to help others. Sharing is a super gift! Thanks so much for following along!
As Long As you Have Something That Let's you Know there's Another Vessel in the Area,Like A Container Ship,lol,Cause they wont Take the time to go Around you.Mostly If your in the Shipping Lane,So just''Crunch''And down you go,And there's no Coast guard Near you 24-7..You Have to Make sure your Little Becon Work's Before you Leave Port,And Everything Else.Encluding Flare gun,Have 2,For Safty.And A Box Of Flare's.
the new zodiacs are unsinkable full of foam then the outer skin..which is way to go...same should be w/catamaran..built to be unsinkable..no engine down below/thats where water creeps in..just 2 motors/ 100h.p. each on back of cat..
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Sailing SV Sarean .I missed a word or two on my last. Oh well, I think you get the point. Peter
Strong work. Great craftsmanship.
Nice work! Impressive job while on the hook! Getting ready to do mine here soon.
One way of keeping water out of the enclosures over the chain plates would be to leave a small hole at the bottom. In addition to water possibly leaking in past degraded silicone caulking diurnal condensation can accumulate water over time. If there is a small hole at the bottom it can help eliminate this. You did a great job on the replacement / upgrade! Your video is bound to be helpful to others.
Thanks so much Richard! Yes we drilled holes in the bottom of each encasement as you say to enable us to monitor any future leaks. We also used a 'neutral cure' sealant which doesn't affect the stainless. Thanks again - we hope you keep following along!
Great work! The most wonderful aspect of all the hard work is the time and experience you two had together .. your memories will long outlast the new chain plates!
A well timed drink of cool water... Selfless Angel!
Fantastic job, its another great video luv watching ........
Thanks Mike - so glad to have you with us!
Great glass work ! "Five Star Couple", Love your videos.
Thank you Mike! So glad you are enjoying our vids!
Fantastic job at chain plate central and you both make a great team ... awesome ..
Tehe! Thanks for watching Ben!
Thanks for sharing. It is always good to see and learn how things are done.
Cheers Gary - thanks so much!
Thanks for sharing your repairs and upgrades with us. I learned a lot
Excellent! Thanks so much for following along!
Another great episode Fantastic job well done
Thank you!
Great videos guys!!!
CHeers - thanks David!
Wonderful job salty sailors.
Cheers Steve - thanks so much for watching!
Very informative...great job mates !!!
It's a pleasure Charlie - cheers!
Cool!
+stanthology Cheers Stan. Thank you!
Boy, Darren isn't afraid to tackle any job.....no matter how difficult. He had a good helper and that does make things easier. One thing did concern me.....I've know of several people that didn't use gloves or protective skin cream and became sensitized to the resin mix and now breakout in hives if they get near to resin fumes. One persons throat even swells up. This repair would have cost a fortune if you hired some shop to do it and it may not have been as well done as your workmanship.
Oh gosh Ed that resin is lethal isn't it. Yes we had a few conversations about that ;) Yes we are pretty happy with the job we did and continue with the idea that the more love we give Sarean the more she will keep us safe!
You two oooose serenity really, you do everything with such relaxed confidence. Lovely to watch you battle through the problem and work it out as you go - without a manual!
So what would that have cost without your week of grinding in the heat? If you omg, paid someone to do it?
Nearly $2 grand for the stainless alone!
So what happened to the Ausi - if its not broke done fix it, ha ha.
You are living the dream, even with the grinding!
Love watching you guys make it look so easy.
Thanks so much Craig - so glad you enjoyed the vid! Yes we clocked in at about 230 hours work. Amazingly the stainless only came in at about $1400. We were very lucky to find Claude the Amazing Stainless Guy!
Good on ya for 'upsizing' those chainplates. I've watched s/v Prism redo theirs and they even went to C954 Aluminum Bronze, which is about 50% stronger than 316SS...Most people I watch doing 'fibre' work are wearing gloves --- we all just want Darren to be safe from hazards since he is showing us so much....FWAFS.
I know! He's a naughty Man!
Your video series is truly unique. You have such a creative way of sharing a difficult 'job' . I appreciate your creativity and discipline as a couple. I admire too your confidence as you 'cut' into your home. I so look forward to each video. Thank you for making them.
Hey thanks so much for following along Frederic - so glad you are enjoying our channel!
great video and some hard work involved! What preventative maintenance could have avoided this, or will you be doing in the future?
Cheers Graeme - so glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for your question - we will put it in the next Q&A!
Brilliant! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
You guys are amazing!
We'll take AMAZING! Thanks Mitch!
you two work well together......from texas..
Thanks Arthur for Texas - yes we are very lucky that way!
Man your keen, it's like catalpa drillīng a trancducer hole in his ferro hull dryed out between tides . Cool, wish we could have seen how it looks with the nosecone off and shown us how you took it off, there must be some serious strong piece buried in glass up forward there. Another awkward mongrel job, gees those chain plates wow what a pain, just resin and glassed in ,no bolts to the stringer? at least it's over and you didn't have to destroy too much to get at em
Hey Phil! The Sidestays were bolted through to steel backing plates. Lower Shrouds glassed below the Stringers. It's a good system actually and we don't see them going anywhere as they have the t-section underneath holding them firm. Cheers and thanks so much for following along!
Enjoyed the maintenance episode. I could sense your doubt with the anchor roller nose cone mounting bolts. I suppose the boat has been on the water for thirty years with no anchor roller/ fore stay structural issues. so it would be fine. I'm restoring an older Farrier 720 and the designer recommends that when mounting and encapsulating a chainplate or any stainless or aluminium supports that you rough up the surface that is to be glassed with a sander to help with bonding. That pitted chainplate was it replaced or welded and sanded? Rob
Hi Rob! We replaced them all in the end. Even those that weren't looking bad. Our thought was that they stainless was not a huge cost and they were likely work hardened. Plus with doing the job ourselves we could keep costs at bay. You are correct with the sanding. Claude roughed up the lower portions and left the top section polished for us.
The Nose Cone was really interesting for us! It had stainless plate welded on the inside that took the threaded bolts. We were just surprised I would say as we were expecting it to have slid over the end of the bow, instead of bolted on. Boy she looked pretty odd with it off!
Morning again, thanks for the feedback, I,m impressed with your work ethic and patients you show with explanations of your processes etc. Merry Christmas and kind regards Rob
good jobs guys
Cheers Mark thanks so much for following along!
Hi! Can you tell me what type resin you used for you repairs and what type thickener you used? I may be doing some fiberglassing of my own soon. Thanks and I am enjoying your videos.
Hey so glad you are enjoying our vids! I will answer you know in-case you want to get to work on your project! We mostly stick with West Systems. The thickener is called Michrospheres. It's a great product with easy to measure pump bottles. Check out their products, they are a good range! Meg
you two are a beautiful couple. Best wishes for every happyness
Thank you Thomas - and with you!
19 days and 1900 dollars. So questions... was that for all new chainplates or did you reuse some? Don't think you did but not sure. What about the bow nose? was that reused and new bow rollers welded on or did you fabricate a new one?
You didn't replace your standing rigging so what age is it? As far as changing the chainplates, I feel you did the right thing, keeping it as it was built. Encapsulated lasted a while, its now that big of a deal to remove in your case, you didn't have to destroy wood to get to it. Maybe leave a weep hole. Also instead of silicone sealant I would use butyl tape for the deck area.
Nice work guys!
Hey Bob! Lots of great questions there - be sure to watch our next Q&A where I will tackle them all for you in person! Meg :)
You really do have a handy husband,he knows how to to fix everything. Enjoy you videos.was wondering where your home base is and what kind of boat you have ?
I hate grinding fiberglass! Whatever I'm wearing that day, when I'm done I just take it off and throw it away. And the dust goes everywhere and makes you itch for days afterward. One man said "If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats, He would have made fiberglass trees".
Haha! Brilliant! Feel for you mate! We love the outcome, however the process was a shocker - thankfully we are done. All the best with your project!
You both have great charisma. I just happened across your channel and got hooked.
How long have you been sailing?
Well Hello John - Welcome To Our World!
We have both been sailing in various forms since out late teens and early 20's. Check out our Q&A Video 'About Us' for more, or our BLOG www.sailingsvsarean.com. So glad to have you with us - wishing you a wonderful day!
Great video.l note Sarean was built 1985 in WA. Do you know the builder? I hand laid two Bowmans for a builder over there around 86/87. Any reflections on sloop Vs yawl rig? _thanks Peter
You remind me of the Movie "Boy in the bubble" Darren. I had a bitch about replacing my chain plates on my steel yacht recently. Welding new stainless on top of the deck was luxury in compare :) Luv the vid guys...
That one got a giggle Dave ;) So glad you are following along!
did you leave drain holes in the chain plate en-casements?
Yes we did Jon! It will allow us to monitor any further leaks.
I just stumbled upon your video. What kind of boat is she? That was an enormous task. I am trying to ignore the idea of replacing my own chainplates but have been inspired by your effort. How long did the whole project take? How long did the fabricator take to make copies? Thank you for sharing your project.
Hi Tim - Welcome To Our World! You can do it! We were initially a bit timid on the concept, but in the end we just had to pick up the drill and take a look. Basically, it's just fibreglassed in - which is an easy product to work with when you think of it. Highly recommend the Renovator tool - Darren's new favourite!
It took us 19 days and Claude (stainless guy) was great! Basically we would take a couple of chainplates to him as we pulled them out, and he would swap them over with new ones the following day.
Sarean is a Bowman 47. You can check her specs on our blog here... www.svsarean.com/meet-sarean
All the best for your chainplate journey!
You guys are GREAT no job to big for you two....good on ya.....S/V Teak Key
Hey thanks Randy - thanks so much for watching!
Q&A Guys a few years to go and I will get my chance to be up in your local paddock on my floating home. So with this in mind as a reference is the sailing bible for that area "100 Magic Miles by David Colfelt" still relevant? Or as locals is there another reference book you could recommend on the Whitsunday Islands? Kind Regards Mud Guts.
Hi Dave! Yep the 100 Magic Miles is still a great reference. We have been using Navionics charting up this way which seems pretty accurate. How exciting for you! There are so many beautiful anchorages to explore you could get lost for years!
Did you ever consider Titanium rather than Stainless Steel
So you weren't tempted to leave chainplates exposed so you could visually inspect in future?
Hey Shaun. No we couldn't really do that. We had to glass them back under the stringers. However we have drilled holes at the bottom of each Chainplate so that we will be able to see water coming out if it does manage to get through the deck in the future.
Sailing SV Sarean good idea. I would be constantly worrying they had refilled having a predrilled hole to check would be reassuring.
Every video I see the necklace that Darren wears. Would you mind commenting on where it is from please? Sorry, not related to this episode... :-)
Awww well there's a lovely story to that necklace actually Michael, which I will fill you in on in the next Q&A! Short story, the Black Pearl is from Fiji from a talented pearl carver by the name of Tokeroa Jim!
Have you encountered any dangerous sailing conditions that you felt you were in over your head or capability?
(enjoyed the maintenance episode)
Great question Roger! I will be sure to answer that in our next Q&A!
The Way You Fixed The Chain Plate,and Put the Fiberglass Around the Area,will Any Condensation Form Under It,Etc.How Did you,Or,Did you Ask Someone If That's the correct Way to Fix that the right Way.If that Is the right Way,Or Temporary..??Thank you.Look's Very time consuming to Work on Boat's.I Like The Fact you Made A Repair Shop,As It Were,Nice,Bravo..Being At Sea,With A Repair Shop,you Can hire your Self Out to People that Need something fixed...1st.Repair Shop Ive Seen In The Bluewater,Etc..
+FiddleStick's bessette Hi FiddleSticks! We are pretty happy with the repair. We had it well sealed off from the top prior to glassing so it should be good! Yes, one of the benefits we love about cruising is being able to 'pay it forward' with our skills to help others. Sharing is a super gift! Thanks so much for following along!
This is off subject but important to me. Do you sail at night? What is your opinion of sailing at night?
Yes we do sail at night Thomas and both agree it can be the most beautiful of experiences. AIS and Radar being of great service!
As Long As you Have Something That Let's you Know there's Another Vessel in the Area,Like A Container Ship,lol,Cause they wont Take the time to go Around you.Mostly If your in the Shipping Lane,So just''Crunch''And down you go,And there's no Coast guard Near you 24-7..You Have to Make sure your Little Becon Work's Before you Leave Port,And Everything Else.Encluding Flare gun,Have 2,For Safty.And A Box Of Flare's.
@@fiddlesticksbessette398 Why do you capitalize every word? Its painful to try to read.
You should really invest in a box of nitrile disposable gloves. $12.00 is a cheap price to protect your skin....
So true Rusty - Darren can be a bit carefree with these things at times!
You dont glass in chainplates. Thats what causes all the corrosion issues.
the new zodiacs are unsinkable full of foam then the outer skin..which is way to go...same should be w/catamaran..built to be unsinkable..no engine down below/thats where water creeps in..just 2 motors/ 100h.p. each on back of cat..
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