Why Peter Pettigrew Was in GRYFFINDOR - Harry Potter Theory
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
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Welcome to another installment of Harry Potter Theory. In this video, we’re going to be discussing the widely-hated Peter Pettigrew. He’s really up there with the most-hated characters of the series, comparable even to..dare I say it? Umbridge
Pettigrew started at Hogwarts in the year 1971, the same year that Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, and James Potter began attending the school. The quartet of boys would eventually form a group called the Marauders. One thing that they had in common was that they were all Gryffindors. The Marauders were hellbent on breaking the rules at the school, and were notorious for their rule-breaking and mischief making. The group existed for 7 years, from 1971-1978, and all members were active participants in the first wizarding war. All 4 boys would also go on to join the order of the phoenix, which was a secret society founded by Dumbledore that opposed Lord Voldemort. But not before long, Pettigrew was betraying all of those that trusted him, and ousted the Potters to Voldemort when they were in hiding.
Given that Pettigrew exhibited very different behaviour than the other Marauders, I've always wondered why he was initially sorted in to Gryffindor. In this video, we'll be diving in to WHY he was sorted there, and not in to Slytherin.
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Why do YOU think Pettigrew was placed in Gryffindor?
Pettigrew fooled the sorting hat by swearing to be a good and courageous person. But all he wanted was to stay safe with James, Sirius and Remus.
He was brave enough to betray his friends to Voldemort
@@abominablebomber how does betraying friends = bravery?
@@benschuster9792 it's a joke he's not brave at all
Edit: it's more like his desire to be brave
Harry Potter Theory before watching the video i think because he WAS courageous but then became weak because of his fear of lord voldemord
Pettigrew is a character foil to Neville. Both were sorted into gryffindor to put their character to the test, Pettigrew ended up being a traitor and Neville ended up being one of the most heroic characters in the second wizarding war
I think the biggest difference between them was how the gang treated them. the marauders took peter in and he began to rely on them. Neville was allowed to fail.
Gen4John that’s a really good point
No Neville always was brave
Paul Schiwek maybe he always was brave deep down but he didn’t have the confidence in his bravery, hence why he asked for hufflepuff and didn’t think he belonged in gryffindor. You think of it less of them being not brave and more of them being under confident
Good contrast, as it was also Wormtail who brought back Voldemort, took Cedric's life,was responsible for Sirius's fugitive status and promoted the Second Wizarding War.
Everyone hates the character, but he was a brilliant actor
That's true
Same with Umbridge, the actress did such a good job making her character despicable
Exactly, a lot of the "evil" characters, like Voldemort or Umbridge, were portrayed by fantastic actors.
Don’t forget bellatrix with Helena Bonham Carter
Spall has a talent for playing complex scumbags.
He didn't become animagus to support his friend, but to stay in the gang
Demy B. Very true, and he needed a lot of help from the others to be able to become an animagi. Yes it was dangerous, but as usual, he had the help of more powerful friends to compensate for his own weakness and inability. As for danger, I’m pretty sure Sirius and James would ha e ensured that nothing bad happened to him, taking away some of the threat, lessening the danger.
He also probably just thought that it would be useful and make him something special.
Yeah
Ross Bauer Peter is not an incapable wizard! Why do people think that he wasn’t!
@@ocean6828 agreed.
Slicing your hand off and living almost exclusively as a rat for 13 years takes balls no matter how cowardly the acts were
And everyone thought he was dead
True.
@Avery Andrews no, he meant when he resurrected Voldemort.
No no, he was hiding as rat for 13 years because he was sacred to go to azkaban prison. When he lose his cover he went to resurrect voldemort (knowing only he could save him) and sacrifices his arm because he had no other choice.
@Avery Andrews Well, both, he lopped off a finger on his left hand, AND THEN sliced off his entire right hand to resurrect Voldemort, and additionally lived as a rat for 13 years. There is a Morbid resilience in his actions, in a way. He survives by any means, and he did it successfully for a long long time, on the shit list of countless extremely dangerous enemies.
peter's face over harry's is a cursed image
It’s Ron
EXACTLY
Maaa-giiii-cc.
@@Notthatserious6895 its not...
infelicis ok idc I think it’s Ron but I don’t care you think what you wabt
He had the courage to sacrifice his only friends for his own survival and his hand to resurrect Voldemort.
Kinda the opposite end of the coin of normal Gryffindor
Bravery isn’t doing good things, it is doing something that you are afraid of in spite of that fear.
He also was brave at sacrificing his own fingers and hand
Another thing is that he more or less gave up his life to save Harry. He was going to kill Harry but Harry reminded him of the fact he saved his life which then led to the hand choaking him out
Pettigrew is willing to chop and mutilate his own limbs just to achieve his goals lol. Slytherins are ambitious but they won't harm themselves for their goals though
He did those things out of cowardice, the death eaters were more likely to torture and harm him, therefore he got in good. That isn't bravery.
AND he only has LOYALTY to POWER
Are we sure pettigrew was a man who could turn into a rat as opposed to a rat that could turn into a man?
Lol
Shoe Man I like the idea that he’s a rat that can turn into a man. Please tell me more.
That's a good theory, im sure Pettigrew isn't on anyone's top list of fave HP characters.........if you want an interesting character (enter stage left) Leta Lestrange 💚🖤💚🖤💚🖤 regardless of being sorted into Slytherin she's so complex
Herbertned Fernandez Can YOU please add to @Shoe Man’s theory on Pettigrew being a rat that can turn into a man?
Leta was a weird character. At the end of COG, do you think she actually wanted to join grindelwald when she gave him her hand?
When you hate a character it probably means they’re a really great actor .
Or well written. I like how his story ended. A slight hesitation, that caused his own death.
what about Jar Jar Binks?
Only if said character is meant to be hated 😅
What I originally liked about his character when I was younger was that it was an example that just because you end up in Gryffindor doesn't automatically mean you're going to be a good person, which was a good counterbalance to Snape and Slughorn who showed just because you're in Slytherin doesn't automatically mean you're going to be a bad person.
In fact the books in general feel like they grow up and mature with you. Early books a lot of things are very black and white, as if from a child's perspective. But things get more complex the older you get and not everything is always so straight forward.
In no way was Snape a good person. He did some good things. It's not the same thing.
@@Rj-pw7zs But he wasn't a bad person either. He was in the grey area.
@@1BeautifulDuckno he was a death eater and in general a terrible person and a bully
Snake was a death eater and borderline abused his students especially Harry.
Something I've never understood is whether Peter is supposed to be capable or not. He's always depicted as an unskilled wizard and an idiot and yet sometimes--like Prisoner of Azkaban--he's shown to be rather cunning and clever, successfully framing Sirius Black, and was capable of using powerful magic to blow up a city street and kill 13 people.
Im sure he's pretty capable, it's just hard to tell sometimes due to his cowardice and awkwardness.
He was an Animagus as a teenager. He was likely on the weaker end of the Marauder's but that still puts him above the majority of fellow students at that school
His greatest strength was people underestimating him
Peter was probably a master of all kinds of high level sick twisted/self harming spells. Kinda like a suicide bombing demolition man. The guy is willing to be humiliated, chop and mutilate himself to achieve his goals. No Slytherin would ever be brave enough to do those things.
Scoyy B No, he wasnt. Dont remember who said it, but in Book 3 during a Conversation at the Inn in Hogsmeade, between Fudge, Hagrid, and some teachers, it is revealed that he was useless as hell at magic, barely passing classes! Lupin and Sirius also tell that it took everything from then to teach him how to transform.
The thumbnail got me shooketh
Jade Canaan on god
Lol same
Lord Voldemort saw him for what he truly was so he made sure that the hand he made for him detected any betrayal. Voldemort also sent him away to serve Snape. Imagine this rat that was helping in bullying Snape at school ends up serving him.
And Snape bullied also.
And he became merely more than a butler to both Voldey and Snape
I believe his metal hand killed pettigrew?
If I had been the sorting hat and I would have to sort Pettigrew I would yell “EXPELLED!”
@@Hello-mv9gw r/whoosh
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AZKABAN lol but i srsly hate him ;-;
the sorting hat actually place you where you WANT to be sometimes...
I think that is more important than your personal qualities, that would explain why sometimes an entire family is in the same house for generations or why Neville and Hermione are in Gryffindor
@@Christina-xm2wm i was thinking of peter actually
@@usercanalviejo2 Hermione in the books said she wanted to be in gryffindor with her second choice being ravenclaw. Also, Neville probably wanted gryffindor as it is a respectable house and doesn’t get a bad reputation like slytherin (also they both deserved the house anyway!)
@@Christina-xm2wm sword not wand
@@VeeRoxy honestly hermione deserves ravenclaw as much as she deserves griffindor if not more.
But the thing is that the only real houses in the movies are griffindor and slytherine.
The movies gave exactly 0 shits about the other 2.
But in an ideal/fair/logical scenario, Hermione would go Ravenclaw.
Actually, Rowling has stated that the sorting hat has made only 7 mistakes, and one of them was placing Snape in Slitherin and not Griffindor
Wait really?? I'm looking this up
Snape was a Slytherin because he wanted to be in Slytherin but we was prob a Griffindor
It's like the opposite Harry Potter
@@foodplayzgames Actually He had every trait of Slytherin s compared to Gryffindor where he was only brave
Then the story would be a little different if he would be in griffindore then probably he won't be friend with the fellow death eaters and Lily wouldn't be upset from him and would marry him probably ( I am not sure ) if not this . Then also maybe James would be that much bully with him also if he also become the house head of griffindore he won't cut the points of griffindore maybe he would be still irritating but will not cut the points and Harry would also not hate him as much as he did before and also he would not be so close to draco and lucius and probably narssica will not take help from him as he was not the friend of lucius . So in my point of view it was not a mistake but a good decision by jk Rowling on keeping him in slitherin
You forgot to mention that he short of take his own life when Harry, Ron and Hermione were in Malfoy manor, Harry reminded him that he safed his life during his 3rd year Peter didnt kill Harry but the silver hand that Voldemort gave him killed him.
I can’t believe he forgot this part I thought it was crucial to really understanding His character. That there was some very small glimmer of light in him.
@@majanielsen2480and on his magical hand
“It takes courage to stand up to your enemies but even greater courage to stand up to your friends”
- dubldore to Neville Longbottom
( not sure if it’s the same for Peter Petigrew)
It's not because Petigrew never faced his friends. He just betrayed them and pretended to be death. Until the moment Sirius saw the photo of Scabbers, none of his friends kwew Petergrew have betrayed them.
Slytherin isn’t disloyal though, but I get why he could’ve been there.
Seen as bad, but not really. Just a lot of determination and willpower. Never give up, and do what it takes to survive.
@@windupmachine exactly 🐍💚
Yeah iirc Slytherin actually value looking after their own.
he does not deserve to be in Slytherin
Snape was loyal to Albus Percival Wolfric Brian Dumbledore
Therapist: Don’t worry thumbnail pettigrew can’t hurt you
Thumbnail Pettigrew:
I always figured it to be a matter of the Sorting Hat respecting his wishes. He would have been called after Sirius and Lupin. Perhaps he befriended them on the train ride, and wanted to be with them. The hat wasn’t sure, but in the end, respected his wishes.
there is also one thing you didnt mention: the way he died
he was willing to at least consider helping Harry as a way of payback for not handing him over to the dementors, which meant defying Voldemort's orders. This ultimately costed him his life, as the silver hand he was gifted by Voldermort choked him, only because he *thought* about being brave enough to stand against Voldemort
Yeah... Meanwhile, the movie had him say ow and knocked unconscious. Seriously, I love/hate the movies.
@@johnathanholmes1297 ye, they butchered his arc in movies... it was actually nice scene in book, Harry and Ron struggling when they try to save him, just seconds after they were fighting with him for real.
@@vitcher3507Peter was Ron’s pet rat so he would feel some affection
I always thought that the house you were sorted into was less about how you were and more about what you valued the most, ideally so at the end of schooling that house would’ve nurtured you to achieving the thing you most valued. No one is the most brave, ambitious, intelligent or hardworking at eleven, but they do know which one of those things they most want to be.
As Voldemort said himself in the fourth book, Pettigrew didn't serve Voldemort out of bravery or loyalty, but out of fear. Even Voldemort being reduced to almost nothing wasn't enough to abate the absolute cowardliness of Pettigrew. This is something that I think the Sorting Hat actually did get wrong (though it can maintain its claim of never being wrong just based on how arbitrary sorting is in the first place, especially given that Peter could have chosen Gryffindor). While not overtly ambitious, he did seek power...so that those who were wielding it could protect him from a world that clearly terrified him.
SgtSupaman I think it lies in what Dumbledor said to Snape. About how he sometimes thinks the kids are sorted to early. There could very well have been a genuine spark of courage within Peter, but maybe that was squashed by constantly being overuled by his more domeneering friends. James and Serious may have contubuted to his ultimately bad character by not letting him actually grow as a person. I mean even Lupin talks about how he was convinsed to do things he wouldn’t have done otherwise. Then there would have probably been some hidden resentment toards these people who were supposedly his best friends, but who were also way more popular and goood looking. Like Ron with his brothers, Peter probably wanted to get out of their shadow, but never could manage it.
Do a what if harry killed bellatrix in the ministry of magic
We wouldn’t have to see the Cursed Child
@@richiegames2499 good!
Amber after he died when Voldemort was telling Harry to kill her
@@richiegames2499 hahahahahahahhahwhwwhwhwhahhahahhah moood🤣🤣🤣
@@Michijoy nice pfp I’ve seen that anime!
This is kind of off-topic but the reason why Percy was sorted into Gryffindor and not slithering it’s because the hat says that that’s where Weasley‘s go.
One year later but yes, the hat has soul and is not a sorting machine. Percy is an example of the hat putting its own thought into the process. And do not forget Harry could have been put into Slytherin if the hat had not listened to his own wish.
what about sirius? he should of been put in slytherin because that's where all his family went.
@@cjvaye99 a few months later but he didn't have the same views of pure blood as the rest of the Black family did otherwise he would be in Slytherin.
I all the books it said that Peter Pettigrew narrowly avoided being sorted into Slytherin. Considering he was the only Non Slytherin dead eater of all the death eaters.
Barty Crouch Jrs house may gave been ravenclaw.
@@scorchx3000 probably and probably not because his house through the entire franchise is unknown.
@@scorchx3000 Why would he have been a Ravenclaw? Crouch's were true Purebloods being one of the sacred 22 and his father was clearly a Slytherin. I know it doesn't always go in families but I think there is the strongest case to have him be in Slytherin.
@@jasonrandom372 Rowling confirmed it
He was a death eater buutttt he was a fingernail eater
Image being one of those students who has a hatstall. Those minutes must feel like hours, with everyone watching you.
I would just close my eyes
I love the fact that the most hated characters like umbrige, fudge or Peter had such awesome and great actors
It takes great talent to play characters as dislikable as them, without making them look like caricatures or cartoony.
@@anthonyvasquezactor well seid
The simple reason why Pettigrew was sorted into Gryffindor is likely because he chose to be in Gryffindor. The sorting hat likely would have placed him in Slytherin, but as we know the hat takes choice into account. Perhaps there was some potential for good in young Peter, a desire to overcome his cowardice, which would mark him out as a potential Gryffindor.
Jasmyn Eastcott How did Crabbe and Goyle get in then? They’re not Slytherin either. Pettigrew’s ambitiousness meant he got in good with the powerful students. Not every ambition is to be great.
You have to be brave not good for being a Gryffindor
lord alton yes and Pettigrew was brave, just not transparently brave enough to make his inclusion beyond question.
Wat abt Albus Severus Potter??
-- I. I believe he chose not to be in Gryffindor? Not sure how accurate or reliable the sorting process is overall with Dumbledore saying he think they might be sorting too soon, meaning people might change from what the hat perceives them to be or that they have just as much chance of being included in one house as the other.
in the books: In the house from the malfoys he showed a bit of mercy with as consequence that his own iron hand (that he received from Voldemort) strangled him
What frustrated me in this whole video is that the Hat doesn't base the choice on whether or not someone is brave or power hungry or smart or loyal at all it chooses on what someone values and admires... Pettigrew admired people who are brave like James and Sirius and Remus that's why he always trailed around them because he wanted to be like them. He wanted to be brave and/or powerful but he wasn't so that's why he went after Voldemort to serve him and that's why it was a hat stall because he also valued power two things that he never had bravery and power... Another example of this on the flip side is Neville Longbottom he really wanted to be in Hufflepuff but ultimately he valued bravery more so he was put in Gryffindor... Pettigrew didn't have any ambition or bravery for himself he was spineless and just fed upon the bravery and power of others.
Edit: Even when the video mentions this it still proclaims that Pettigrew was brave but he wasn't. It's not brave to stand behind someone who is braver or more powerful than you just to feel strong: its weak and spineless.
It gives them room to grow. If students were sorted on their qualities rather than their values it makes them less likely to become what they admire. That’s why the hat said to Harry “you could be great in Slytherin” because that influence should have nurtured that quality. It allows students the chance to become who they want to be while thinking they always had been because they’d been sorted there. Placebo always produces better results. An example of that is the luck potion Harry pretended to give to Ron; who played differently all because he believed he was under that influence.
Neville is also a great example of this. He’s like Peter if being in Gryffindor had influenced him correctly.
“A secret keeper is one who is given a secret to keep” managed to work that out for myself funny enough :)
Was Petigrew so salty that he was a rat animagus, that he had the ring leader James murdered??
"A stag? A dog? I'm a bloody rat? I'm gonna kill that bastard"
In many ways... No matter how much fear is behind it, it takes an obscene amount of courage to cut your own hand off.
Therapist: Peter Pettigrew faceswapped with Harry Potter doesn’t exist. It can’t hurt you.
The thumbnail:
Oh my God the thumbnail is priceless you made Peter look beautiful by putting his face on Harry's face
Peter pettigrew. Now this is a character who I’ve always wanted to know more about...
This was a fantastic video! You brought up some great perspectives I hadn't considered, 2nd one today XD I absolutely love this stuff and would be very agreeable to seeing more
I aways wondered how that little creep wound up in Gryffindor, and I really liked your well defined explanation. You pointed out some traits that I hadn't considered, such as the fact that he did exhibit some bravery in being a double agent during the first wizarding war. Thank you for sharing this.
Him becoming a rat fit him and his personality perfect I guess in his own way he was saying i can not be trusted if his spirit animal is a rat
Except rats are super smart and perceptive
@@savagetv6460To “rat” someone out is to snitch on them
wow i haven’t even watched the video yet but the title made me realize when ron says “there wasn’t a witch or wizard who went bad that wasn’t in slytherin” to be false. When he said this i don’t think he knew about peter pettigrew yet, but wouldn’t sirius (at the time) be the only wizard who went bad that wasn’t in slytherin? To their knowledge at the time at least?
And although they didnt know he was evil at the time I'm pretty sure that quirel was a ravenclaw
No grindle wald was a gryfindore and quirrel was a ravenclaw and peter was gryfindore
Ron is just biased. Loads of people joined Voldemort from all houses. Probably few from Gryffindor, but certainly loads of Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs. And of course, plenty of Slytherins opposed him.
"You know, I sometimes think we sort too soon," - Albus Dumbledore.
ANILEATER2009 Grindelwald wasnt a Gryffindor. He didnt even go to Hogwarts. He went to, and was kick out of Durmstrang...
Grindelwald was a durmstang!
I never really hated Peter, I just pitted him for his weakness
samee
Harry would have had parents if it wasn't for him
@@joshrichardson8468 Not sure why they chose him as secret keeper over Remus or Sirius.
I laughed too hard at your thumbnail, thank you so much for the laugh 😂
Wormtail has definately been a rat! By this, I refer more to the primal, but very strong instinct to survive! It is this instinct that lets him switch sides.
He did have potential in magic, e.g. shown by his mastery to become an animagus, but he was one of those who basically guarded himself with strong people. He knew the marauders ment protection and so did the Order of the Phoenix for some time, until Voldemort and his Death Eaters won the upper hand -which he knew meant death. He actually takes drastic measures in Order to survive.... not just betrayal but sacrificing body parts and dealing such a huge explosion and thus killing a large number of Muggles at once. The animal seeks to escape instinctively, but can also be quite strong/aggressive when it’s life is at stake.
Peter was so brave as a Gryffindor that he had courage to betray his friends, cut off his finger, frame Sirius, cut off his hand and at the end of his life tried to defy Dark Lord's desire by letting harry set free
I always love your guys' videos. Good Job.
1:28 I don't know about the rest of them but James had matured a great deal even before finishing school so much so that Dumbledore decided to make him a head boy in his final year
@jack rogers He wasn't bullying him anymore in their last years, they were straight enemies at that point. Sirius and Lupin comment in the fifth book that Snape would regularly attack James first in their 7th year
@@persey7241 sirius and lupin are very biased people when it comes to james. if james was changed he would have apologized to snape and would make his friends understand about their horrible behaviour. lupin is not a trustworthy guy as he did not tell sirius being an animagus in poa putting harry in danger( remus believed that sirius was guilty at that time) james being a head boy does not give evidence for the fact that he matured as percy was also a headboy. there is no blatant textual evidence in the book that james had changed and matured fully, his friends are the only one who says that. as for the matter that snape attcking james after the fifth year is again is told by his friends and i believe snape was being defensive whenever he was around marauders afterall what can we expect as they "relentlessly bullied" him for 5 years ( can refer to pottermore)
@@akhilanair4472 First of all, James was never a head boy at all, that was stated in the fifth book at the time when Harry was upset for not getting the badge himself. Sirius and Remus were both regretful of their past behavior and they've said so openly, which is understandable, because many people are stupid to varying extents as teenagers. It's easy to say they all should have made amends and apologized to Snape later on, but then again, how do you go about that when you have so much bad history with someone already? It's not impossible, but you have to admit Snape himself was a very vindictive and confrontational person who wouldn't have made it easy. Think about the way he treated Harry (and basically everyone else around him) since the moment they met, despite the latter not knowing or having done anything to him. Even if James had tried to settle things with him at some point, he would have likely just spat in his face. It's like Harry and Draco making peace with each other after their sixth year - it took a whole war for that to happen. That's not even going into the matter of Snape's jealousy of James over Lilly, which may well have actually been the bigger issue.
If you want to dismiss Sirius and Remus' words about James becoming better in his adult years as bias, that's fine, but consider that it was also the time when Lilly started to like him, for which there must have been a reason. Additionally, there is also the fact that no one else throughout the whole story has spoken badly of James, other than Snape. All of his former teachers and colleagues from the Order of the Phoenix remember him as loyal, heroic and ready to do anything for his friends and family. That one flashback in the fifth book is literally the only negative impression of him ever given, showing that he used to be an ass as a student, and predominantly towards Snape, whom he later on also saved from dying. You don't need things spelled out for you in big letters to make your own conclusions based on what you know. In the end, no one is perfect - as a kid, James was a jerk who at the time was likely too popular for his own good, and Snape was a brooding weirdo who made no attempt to make people like him. They both ended up making better choices each in their own right, which is the main message the books try to send throughout. It's also their beauty that they make you think about things like that and examine them from multiple angles, sympathizing with both sides to some extent in the process.
I think you are right. He was a Gryffindor and I'm telling you why. First of all Bravery is not about being reckless and not having fear. Is about having fear and inspite of that over coming it. Like Neville did. And Pettigrew constantly did things that needed Bravery: turning into an Animagus for a friend when clearly it was dangerous. Also brave actions don't necesarerly mean good or moral. Being a spy for almost a year with the fear of being caught or send to Azkaban is kind of brave, even though done with bad intentions. Whether you like Peter or not he was brave in so many things, also a talented wizard (I mean he performed the ritual that brought Voldemort back). Yes what he did was wrong but we shouldn't denigrate the character for this mistake.
Being courageous would have been not revealing where Harry's parents were. And not having one of your other friends take the blame for something he did not do.
Correct. Bravery and morality are not synonymous.
Are we not gonna talk about how he made a part of the thumbnail a cursed image?
This is really really really good :D
Awesome Video!
0:22
We don’t use Her name
I shudder just thinking of her
I believe Pettigrew was placed in Gryffindor not because of who he was, but for who he wished to be. He probably at some point wanted to become someone who is brave and admired, but was probably too weak minded to do so.
It surprises me that this is even in question. It’s very simple in fact. The hat does not sort the person based on the quality they possess but what they value the most. It’s obvious Peter valued the courage of his friends the most probably because it was something he would never have.
Been noticing watching more and more of your content guess I'm Subbing =3
The Sorting Hat doesn't determine your character. It merely identifies your potential.
One thing that you forgot to touch on was the fact that Peter more or less in the end gave up his life for Harry to live. Harry did have to remind him but Peter did stop and was killed by his magic hand given my Voldemort
kmart67620 Meaning that underneath all that self-serving cowardice there was a kernel of bravery that ultimately manifested itself. Guilt overcame fear and for that moment Pettigrew was defiant, and paid for it with his life, and he remained an irredeemable coward Harry and the others might well have been finished.
@@Nightlightknight yup exactly. I wouldn't call it a Narcissa moment because Narcissa was a lot more brave to directly lie to Voldemort's face but its akin to it in a way. Harry even showed his compassion by trying to save the man, once again. Despite almost killing him, leading to the death of Sirius and his parents, however indirect and that is, and basically the person who ruined his life.
Yeah but he didn't know the hand would turn on him.
TIMA .R true, but that does not mean he did not feel the way he did. Maybe it was genuine emotion, even if he had no idea it would cost him. That at least is something.
Thanks for this x well said
8:55 : That's pure bravery since he doesn't like the idea that he could be killed.
I'm pretty sure he didn't become an animagus to support anyone but to stay within the group of friends. And it wasn't bravery that made him a spy for Voldemort but cowardice. He didn't dare to stand up to Voldemort for fear of being tortured or killed.
The reason that pettigrew was placed in gryfindor is because the hat actually listens to what house you want to be in, as heard in the cursed child
@Allan Tidgwell Because Malfoy was silently screaming in his head that he wanted to be in Slytherin just like his family members before him, same with Ron and the rest of the Weasleys.
From a dark cowardly wizard to an amazing and daring lawyer. Wands up for Foggy!
The more I think about it, the hat wasn't wrong. Like you said, this was about potential. He is perhaps the biggest coward in the whole story. It takes fear to be courageous. Without fear, you cannot be brave. If Peter had found his courage in a time of need, the sword might very well have appeared before him in recognition of that courage. But he wasn't able to rise to that ideal. It's actually really sad in a way that he chose to cower before Voldemort instead.
He had the nerve to talk to Harry and even worse it was only to ask for AND he said James's name directly to HARRY JAMES POTTER the boy that must've wanted dead. Then THEN he called himself one of James and Lilly's FRIENDS he got put in Gryffindor purely because of his nerve and the fact that he didn't make any of the requirements for the other houses.
Keep in mind all this is over the course of like 1-3 chapters (the final chapters) of prisoner of Azkaban. The last one being the one that Lupin turned full out werewolf and almost killed Sirius and Harry
I never noticed until watching your videos how they made young Peter look in Order of the Phoenix. I always pictured him as someone who looked normal (with his defining characteristic being that he was small and overweight), and only had more rat-like features (like his teeth) after living as one for so many years. I like the idea of that more than him just looking like that anyway.
What about when he hesitated and let Harry escape then the hand killed him was that a final act of bravery or cowardice?
Both.
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It was guilt and pity
Haha the thumbnail is so good 😂😂
Yeees I've been waiting for a new theory since I subscribed to your channel
In the books Harry's parents die aged 21 or something right?
Peter then turns into a rat for 13 years.
At the prisoner of azkaban Pettigrew has been a rat for almost half his life!
Gosh
13 of 34 years is about a third, 38.235% to be specific.
“Their daring nerve and chivalry set the Gryffindors apart” it certainly takes daring and nerve to betray your friends, cut off your own body parts and live as a rat for over a decade
If you think about it, Peter doesn’t really belong in a house because he’s not brave or loyal (Because he returned to Voldemort out of fear, instead of loyalty), nor is he smart, witty, cunning, nor ambitious.
Peter pettigrew seems like the type of guy to hold up the line at a store to buy a pack of cigarettes with loose change.
lol. I've served far to many Pettigrews then
I always do that. The stores are usually happy about getting your change.
@@MrCmon113 if there's line, you're an ass.
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If you can't wait for five seconds that's your own fault.
Heyy! Great vid! A video idea: the ritual for becoming a Death Eater (like who gets chosen, are you chosen or can u volunteer? How is the dark mark made, who created Morsmodre? Voldy? Or did Grindewald have a mark himself?) anyway, just an idea...
Voldemort would be the one to do the choosing and he would be likely to choose those who are the most loyal and/or commited to his cause and/or useful to have close by. Therefore the likes Bellatrix and Lucius are obvious choices as they are certainly committed to the cause and Bella is very loyal to Voldemort himself. Both are wealthy and have their influence over the Ministry, Malfoy perhaps more so than the LeStranges but that's only because we have textal evidence for it. Fenir Greyback is not a DE because he is a werewolf and therefore unclean in Voldy's eyes and Narcissa is not a DE because she shows no loyalty to either Voldemort or the cause and her husband's membership negates her usefulness. Voldy almost certainly created Morsmodre and Grindelwald didn't have a sign like the Dark Mark, although Krum incorrectly identified the sign of the Deathly Hallows as such.
@@dansharp2860 Yeah that sounds about right. However, in FBCoG those black curtain-type things that drape over paris meant that "Grindewald is summoning his followers" so is that his Morsmodre? what is that? Also i think you can volunteer to become a DE (as seen by Longbottom in DH2) which we thought was volunteering but in fact was just standing against Voldy ("i must say i hoped for better" and "i am sure we can find a place for you within our ranks"). Anyway, i would still like to know if there is a ritual for engraving the dark mark as i feel that it would be a big deal (becoming a DE). Thank you for your answer!
@@RT-vz5xw I'll put my hand up and admit that I still haven't seen FB:CoG so I can't comment on that. I consider those movies to only be part of the movie canon and not must-see. I saw the first one but have heard mostly bad things about 2 so I keep putting off watching it.
Not everyone on Voldemort's side is a Death Eater. The Death Eaters were Voldemort's inner circle of "most trusted" followers (he didn't really trust anyone but you get my meaning). Voldemort was happy enough to have pretty much anyone follow him but he would never have given Greyback, a filthy werewolf, the Dark Mark and welcomed him into his inner circle. He lied to the werewolves and giants telling them they would have better lives under him to gain there support in the war but his conversation with Bellatrix about her niece marring a werewolf tells you his true feelings. The Death Eaters were mostly Purebloods and those who truly supported the idea of Pureblood rule.
Dan Sharp true true true! I think you should just watch FBCOG because you can never get too much harry potter! Cheers
@@RT-vz5xw I could certainly see Voldemort having a ceremony to induct a new member into the Death Eaters. Voldemort making a big display and directing the new member on where to stand in the circle so even in his mask Voldy would always know who he was talking too. Some members would be inducted in secret tho. Karkaroff says in GOF flashback that not all members were known to everyone so no one Death Eater could rat out everyone else.
I was questioning this too as long as the 3rd book was out.
All I can think of is that peter saw his friends (marauders) getting sorted in gryffindor and he made the choice to join too
Can you do a video on what determines the animal you'll become as an Animagus?
Ps. If I remember correctly, like a Patronus, you can't choose your animal
Omg, was Petter actually so salty that his friends made him a rat, that he had some murdered by the top hit man himself?
They mention that they choose the size of their animals in POA if I remember correctly. They said something like "needed to be big enough to control a werewolf" and Pettigrew "had to be small enough to get to the knot in the whomping willow".
But I might be remembering that wrong.
Adam Gribble you are correct. I belive it was Sirus saying that they had 2 big enough to control Lupin, and Peter for the woomping willow.
@@adamgribble3936 Nice. Thank you. So basically you can choose the size of the animal but not what it is? That's pretty interesting. Do you remember how they went about it? If it was explained. How do you magically choose the size of your animal? So many more questions😋
@@adamgribble3936 It's not so much that you can choose the size, just that Sirius said they were fortunate the sizes worked out.
The thumbnail tho 😂😂😂😂😂😂💀
As i always says, you can't judge someone's personality when they are 11 the sorting hat ceremony should be done much later when their minds and personality have developed more away from the influence of their families, so a 5th house should exist for a few years of each student learning process, perhabs its colors could be purple like the robes 1° years wear before the sorting hat ceremony, maybe till third year to be sorted into a house in fourth.
He did show bravey once. When he let harry and ron go from the basement of the mansion knowing very well how severe voldemort would punish him. and we know how severe the punishment was
He had to have iron balls to betray a squad of chad friends like James and Sirius (all way stronger and not squeamish about bullying or killing) and to ally himself with the greatest chaotic evil maniacs of all time. I'd say Gryffindor (=courage) sorting completely justified.
It can be said that he was brave enough to betray his best friends.
Depends on what side of the situation you tend to look at. In Sirius, lupin eyes, Peter was weak. Far from brave.
Wormtail was in Griffindor because he had the potential to be courageous
It’s because he had great fear, he had the potential to choose to overcome it and become a great hero himself
But he chosen to succumb to fear and became servant of the murderer of his former friends and became a killer and traitor himself in order to survive
Neville is similar to him, as like him he started out weak and have much to fear, but instead he overcame fear and became the second underrated Child of Prophecy that was a key to defeat Lord Voldemort
Some of the most courageous heroes are those that are burdened with fear, but overcomes it anyway, Neville is example of that, Wormtail had the choice to become that but failed
The thumbnail had me snorting and wheezing for five minutes.
Every other muggles: *WW1*=》World War 1
Me: *WW1 ==》Wizarding war 1*
Can't do this for the second war, WW2 was Grindelwald and Wizarding War 2 was Voldemort.
As Dumbledore himself said, it takes a great deal of bravery to face off your enemies, but even more so to face your friends. Peter was actually braver than Harry, Ginny and the other Gryffindors.
He didn't. He pretented to die. He never faced his friends.
Pettigrew was capable of courage and loyalty, but also cowardice and betrayal. For whatever reason he chose the latter. It is as Sirius says, we all have light and dark in us; and as Dumbledore says, it is our choices that truly define us. In this Pettigrew is the Anti-Snape - Snape started out bitter, resentful and self-serving, but love turned him a into a hero; Pettigrew started out a loyal friend with noble aspirations, but envy turned him into a villain.
I would actually make a counter arguement to you. That ironically the reason he was more sorted into Gryffindor rather than slytherin isn't because he wasn't slimy, but because he was . One of the traits that is most forgotten about Slytherins is that they are very focused on fraternity but that wouldn't really fit peter petergrew would it . He seemed to care about that but that was only a cover not in the same way as a true slytherin does. In addition, he was also very impulsive just in the wrong way which can also be a trait of a Gryffindor but it worked with his slimyness too
pettigrew was daring enough to betray his friends :) he was sorted in the right house he’s a true gryffindor
Watching this kinda hurt Peter Pettigrew is one of my favourite characters in Harry Potter, no really gives him credit for his power he became an animgaus which is one of the hardest parts of transfiguration although you could say his friends did most of the work but he also killed 12 (I think) muggles and faked his death and sent an innocent man to jail you need to be kinda brave to that and it also shows taht he was powerful enough to cast unforgivable spells. He was also given a join us or die option by the death eaters tbh I think I’d join them aswell. He also does trying to save Harry showing us he isn’t completely evil. Peter is much like regulus they both became death eaters and served Voldemort but in the end they both died for the good side
Ria Jace yes but his betrayal was to try and save Harry similar to regulus who ended up betraying Voldemort to help the good side
I also believe that he kinda had reason to betray the potters as well as he was the left out friend and as much as I love the marauders they didn’t exactly treat Peter the best in the books/movies and it sorta like their revenge
If Jk Rowling has written more on the marauders and written them better I wouldn’t think this but she did the marauders dirty by making them seem like jsut a load of bully’s with one weird kid that tags along if the marauders were based of fanfics like casting moon shadows I wouldn’t think that peters betrayal was as bad (btw this is jsut my opinion it’s okay if you disagree it’s a very unpopular opinion 😁)
That thumbnail will haunt my nightmares
Excellent theory!!
Just look at that thumbnail
I think pettigrew was a more powerful wizard than given credit, as becoming an animagus is very difficult and blasting the street killing several muggles, he was just too much of a spineless shrew to live up to it.
I love this!!
THE THUMBNAIL I JUST CANT-😹✨
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON MAGICAL CREATURES
That would be good
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON MOST POWERDYL DEATH EATERS
He did
LeoGaming 978 ah
I always got the impression that pettigrew had the capacities of the average gryffindor, but was also an underling by nature, and rats usually jump from what they perceive as a sinking ship to save themselves.
@Harry Potter Theory - You are wrong. Pettigrew was a bit more complicated than that. He never seeked power. He new he would never be able to hold it, nor use it properly.
No, Peter seeked SAFETY. He hung around the Marauders because, since they were so powerful they would keep him safe. Otherwise he could end up is Snape's shoes and be bullied by them or others. He only ever did enough to stay with them, like learning how to be an animageous. But he never tried to become more powerful or to steal any ones power. He only ever learned things Voldemort thought he NEEDED to know to accomplish his goals. HE NEVER SEEKED POWER.
His fear of being targeted was so big, that the sorting hat put him with those who are brave and loyal enough to protect him for that was what he wanted. If he asked the hat to keep him safe, loyal friend or smart friends wouldn't help. They needed to be strong. Slitherans would walk all over him. The only choice was Griffindors.