A personal, saving relationship with Jesus Christ?" You would be mistaken if you thought Catholics did not have this. The Biblical Plan of Salvation IS the same as the Catholic Plan of Salvation - 1) Repent of your sins, 2) Believe in Him, 3) Receive Christ in Baptism, 4) Remain in Christ until death. Catholics believe 100% in Ephesians 2:8-9 in that Salvation is a FREE gift and Ephesians 2:10 in that it will produce fruit if we live Godly lives. May I say, it deeply saddens me when I see calm, nodding and smiling Protestants being so arrogant and condescending towards a group of fellow Christians who believe wholeheartedly in the life, death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ and his redemptive work on the cross.
At 12.47 - devotion to Mary - in Holy Orthodoxy, this is based on the Dormition/Assumption narratives which was reflected/verified in Revelation 12"1 & 2.
Something that cannot be separated when present with the teaching of universalism from the 2nd Vatican Council is the presence of the College and the Department of Philosophy of Cericals Catholic with an impressiveness of the openness of the Roman Church in the context. The existence was more sustainable than particular evangelical missionaries from the Western world (America) which unfortunately also minim skills, not adjustments (privillege), just 'tourism' to impress the isolation and also Islamophobia which unfortunately also does not have additional knowledge about this compared to this cultural expert Java and Marxism from the German Jesuit Missionary or the architect of the arrangement of slums in the city in Central Java who is also a very educated Jesuit. Therefore the "Mualaf center" of Indonesia is more inhabited by Catholics than Protestants with standard messages that are trying to be confirmed as non -Christian messages that unfortunately continue to be echoed as Muslim Da'wah to reach "Christianity" - Sterotyping for all forms and expressions of Chrstianity about; worship of the statue, misconception of the Trinity of God with Mary as a mother, Christmas that does not have a reference because it needs the last revelation. And the Quran came to purify the teachings to "Christianity". Things that are not affected by the centralized EWTN outreach in Catholic outreach compared to evangelicals with many variants. Even Christian Arabic debater (Apologet), Christian Prince, who was fluent in the Quran and expressed the morality of Muhammad and was very popular for Indonesian Christianity who suffered a lot with Islamic hegemomy culturally did not see the romance of the RomCat with the "Crusades" in the 11-12 century with the legitimacy of the ruler of the Roman Church To European kings to fight with "blood and flesh" not just "Against the Spiritual Forces of Evil ..." (Eph 6:12, NIV). Evangelical missionary that is minim and less skill and 'lack of sacrifice' is inferior to the cultural conception of the Celibacy Missionaries Ordo -A missionary Evangelical in Papua not feel guilty to show off the joy with family and children in a, even many holidays in several cities in Indonesia while continuing to tell Papua is filled with muslim migrants to their supporting partners in his hometown. Strangely nothing is critical to express that he is not needed? !! Stereotype The "Nasrani" view that all Christians worship the statue and the spirit of the preaching of the Gospel is considered the same as the spirit of the 11-12th century “Crusade”. Because reaching Catholics in the Western world remains very relevant. Not only their centralistic and hierarchy, making them seriously send educated missionaries but also tools and sources of testimony to the Islamic world that they are "Nasrani" who are deviant and the source of misunderstanding is also "ONE/Unity" like Kalifah in the Islamic world of political ... Cheers Pastor Leo de Chirico. Send your missionary to Indonesia. Some Fransiscan and Jesuit Italy bruders have become Indonesian citizens ... J.Pees Books & Misiology papers in bahasa (indo language) www.jengahdenganmimbar.net/telaah-filsafat-literasi/produk-buku-paper Fiction (Novela in English) www.jengahdenganmimbar.net/home/english/fiction-novella-glimpse-the-orange-rainfall
At 12.35 - "Jesus is close by His Spirit", In saying that you have ceased to be a Christian - you have merged TWO Persons of the Holy Trinity into ONE!
I am a Practicing Catholic at Burwood ,Sydney . Rachel can contact me ( Geraldine ) by email - I would like to dialogue about the misconceptions relating to Catholic Teaching & Practices . The Statements made that the Teachings & Practices are not Biblical is misguided & further deeper study should be done . Will wait for your Meeting Time with Rachel . God Bless .
What about Catholic Charismatics? There was some chatter back in the day (2000s - early 2010s) that they were pretty much evangelical, compared to those of the original high church.
Forget trying to convert Catholics to evangelical anglicanism. Convert the church of england and significant portions of Australian Anglicans ie Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide etc. Especially among young priests and laity many more faithful bible believing young catholics than anglicans, especially outside Sydney. Fix anglicanism first. Punching at teachings and doctrines of one of the few other bible believing churches on paper very bad idea Dominic.
@@verbumdeikjb The Catholic Church is closer to the truth than the entire protestant movement being that they are older following the bible AND Church tradition traced all the way to the early church. The reason why there are a thousand and one denominations is that there is no church tradition to lean on for proper interpretation of the Bible hence the ever-increasing SUBJECTIVE interpretations and misunderstandings of the Bible. The true church is the Othordox Church. The biblical understandings and church traditions remain unchanged since the early church. What does the Bible say, what do the church fathers say? That is the most important approach when confronted with moral and ethical issues.
And "serious evangelicals (who) become Catholics" as a "half-way" point, and then complete their journey to Slavic Orthodoxy - which is even older in its pedigree than both Rome and Protestantism.
Hearing someone spout “Christ alone, faith alone, grace alone, scripture alone” and criticise the Catholic Church for multiple commitments is hilarious
Thanks Leonardo for your insights relating to the use of the Gospel of Matthew
Thank the Lord for you three. Very good questions brought up, and very good answers given. Praiye the Lord. Peter from Singapore!
An excellent interview. An essential topic & need that evangelical need to hear & consider. Thanks Domenic, Leonardo and of course Rachel
Thank you for this informative chat
Some lovely words and suggestions. Thank you so much. Mary saying Do what he says . The pick and choose selection is so very dangerous
Absolutely brilliant. Well done, Stewart
Thanks Leo and Rachel! ... a topic close to many pastor's hearts.
A personal, saving relationship with Jesus Christ?" You would be mistaken if you thought Catholics did not have this. The Biblical Plan of Salvation IS the same as the Catholic Plan of Salvation - 1) Repent of your sins, 2) Believe in Him, 3) Receive Christ in Baptism, 4) Remain in Christ until death. Catholics believe 100% in Ephesians 2:8-9 in that Salvation is a FREE gift and Ephesians 2:10 in that it will produce fruit if we live Godly lives. May I say, it deeply saddens me when I see calm, nodding and smiling Protestants being so arrogant and condescending towards a group of fellow Christians who believe wholeheartedly in the life, death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ and his redemptive work on the cross.
Did you listen carefully?
At 12.47 - devotion to Mary - in Holy Orthodoxy, this is based on the Dormition/Assumption narratives which was reflected/verified in Revelation 12"1 & 2.
Something that cannot be separated when present with the teaching of universalism from the 2nd Vatican Council is the presence of the College and the Department of Philosophy of Cericals Catholic with an impressiveness of the openness of the Roman Church in the context. The existence was more sustainable than particular evangelical missionaries from the Western world (America) which unfortunately also minim skills, not adjustments (privillege), just 'tourism' to impress the isolation and also Islamophobia which unfortunately also does not have additional knowledge about this compared to this cultural expert Java and Marxism from the German Jesuit Missionary or the architect of the arrangement of slums in the city in Central Java who is also a very educated Jesuit.
Therefore the "Mualaf center" of Indonesia is more inhabited by Catholics than Protestants with standard messages that are trying to be confirmed as non -Christian messages that unfortunately continue to be echoed as Muslim Da'wah to reach "Christianity" - Sterotyping for all forms and expressions of Chrstianity about; worship of the statue, misconception of the Trinity of God with Mary as a mother, Christmas that does not have a reference because it needs the last revelation. And the Quran came to purify the teachings to "Christianity".
Things that are not affected by the centralized EWTN outreach in Catholic outreach compared to evangelicals with many variants. Even Christian Arabic debater (Apologet), Christian Prince, who was fluent in the Quran and expressed the morality of Muhammad and was very popular for Indonesian Christianity who suffered a lot with Islamic hegemomy culturally did not see the romance of the RomCat with the "Crusades" in the 11-12 century with the legitimacy of the ruler of the Roman Church To European kings to fight with "blood and flesh" not just "Against the Spiritual Forces of Evil ..." (Eph 6:12, NIV).
Evangelical missionary that is minim and less skill and 'lack of sacrifice' is inferior to the cultural conception of the Celibacy Missionaries Ordo -A missionary Evangelical in Papua not feel guilty to show off the joy with family and children in a, even many holidays in several cities in Indonesia while continuing to tell Papua is filled with muslim migrants to their supporting partners in his hometown. Strangely nothing is critical to express that he is not needed? !!
Stereotype The "Nasrani" view that all Christians worship the statue and the spirit of the preaching of the Gospel is considered the same as the spirit of the 11-12th century “Crusade”.
Because reaching Catholics in the Western world remains very relevant. Not only their centralistic and hierarchy, making them seriously send educated missionaries but also tools and sources of testimony to the Islamic world that they are "Nasrani" who are deviant and the source of misunderstanding is also "ONE/Unity" like Kalifah in the Islamic world of political ...
Cheers Pastor Leo de Chirico. Send your missionary to Indonesia. Some Fransiscan and Jesuit Italy bruders have become Indonesian citizens ...
J.Pees
Books & Misiology papers in bahasa (indo language)
www.jengahdenganmimbar.net/telaah-filsafat-literasi/produk-buku-paper
Fiction (Novela in English)
www.jengahdenganmimbar.net/home/english/fiction-novella-glimpse-the-orange-rainfall
At 12.35 - "Jesus is close by His Spirit", In saying that you have ceased to be a Christian - you have merged TWO Persons of the Holy Trinity into ONE!
I am a Practicing Catholic at Burwood ,Sydney . Rachel can contact me ( Geraldine ) by email - I would like to dialogue about the misconceptions relating to Catholic Teaching & Practices . The Statements made that the Teachings & Practices are not Biblical is misguided & further deeper study should be done . Will wait for your Meeting Time with Rachel . God Bless .
What about Catholic Charismatics? There was some chatter back in the day (2000s - early 2010s) that they were pretty much evangelical, compared to those of the original high church.
Doesn't the alpha course promote Catholic church as a possible option when people come to Christ?
Possibly it does
Forget trying to convert Catholics to evangelical anglicanism. Convert the church of england and significant portions of Australian Anglicans ie Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide etc. Especially among young priests and laity many more faithful bible believing young catholics than anglicans, especially outside Sydney. Fix anglicanism first. Punching at teachings and doctrines of one of the few other bible believing churches on paper very bad idea Dominic.
Is the Catholic Church really Bible believing?
@@verbumdeikjb The Catholic Church is closer to the truth than the entire protestant movement being that they are older following the bible AND Church tradition traced all the way to the early church. The reason why there are a thousand and one denominations is that there is no church tradition to lean on for proper interpretation of the Bible hence the ever-increasing SUBJECTIVE interpretations and misunderstandings of the Bible. The true church is the Othordox Church. The biblical understandings and church traditions remain unchanged since the early church. What does the Bible say, what do the church fathers say? That is the most important approach when confronted with moral and ethical issues.
slack Catholics become evangelicals, serious evangelicals become Catholics
And "serious evangelicals (who) become Catholics" as a "half-way" point, and then complete their journey to Slavic Orthodoxy - which is even older in its pedigree than both Rome and Protestantism.
@@marybattye7730 you may be right, but orthodox Christian churches tend to be regional and not found in most parts of the world
Hearing someone spout “Christ alone, faith alone, grace alone, scripture alone” and criticise the Catholic Church for multiple commitments is hilarious