Your videos give me a FEELING!! I am in Awe -- this is the only channel I have come across that doesn't just teach bachata... there is so culture/authenticity and passion. LOVE (please continue to make these videos)
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Thank you so much GWEPA for helping us bring this video to life. For more of our videos on bachata music and dance or to learn more about our company, follow our channel @areitoarts also on Facebook and Instagram.
That's awesome that you are bringing this concept to the audience! That's very important for people to understand that just keeping the timing and starting on the downbeat is not enough to be musical. And also understand that if you only dance on1 you drastically limit yourself in ways to express music. The only thing that has to be added here is that in order to be musical you have to always shift from dancing on 1 to dancing on 2 etc. Even within 2 bars of music in order to create question-answer type of rhythm. So the main idea here is beyond just keeping some distinct timing like on 1, on 2 or whatever, but to use those concepts where it's appropriate in order to express the music you here in the most efficient way. Thank you for this video!
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VJ social dance Thank you for your comment! Yes, only dancing On1 can limit oneself in ways to express the music. However, from a cultural perspective, within a social dance it’s not common (or the goal) to change the timing within one song. To be clear, in this video we are only showing how to dance bachata on all four beats with one song to point out the different instruments, but we wouldn’t recommend changing the timing within one song during a social dance. That being said, we do have a performance where we change the timing, and actually dance on all four beats, within the same song/performance. We took the liberty in doing this, first and foremost because it is a show (not a social dance), and to showcase what you are describing; highlighting different instruments in different sections of the music. Thank you again for bringing up such a relevant subtopic.
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Here is the performance I was referring to: ua-cam.com/video/gF2Oxz3_edM/v-deo.html
This is amazing guys, I have seen all the great dancers, I have been taking classes for four years now, but this video has made things a lot clearer for me now. Thanks.
I was never been able to identify 1 so I always used the guitar as reference, or the bass in some songs where the bass is more accentuated. Here in this song the guitar is the most audible.
THANKS TO YOU TWO EDWIN AND DAKOTA :) IT REALLY HELPS TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO DANCE BACHATA DOMINICANA WITH DEFREN BETS, I LOVE WHAT YOU DO.. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION :)
I really wish I could understand what they were explaining but I don’t. I’m new to bachata I want to learn more not only to dance, but to understand everything they were explaining I guess it takes time.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the timing is the same you guys are just tapping on 1 then 2 and so on.. I don't get it plz explain?
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Jose Antonio baizabal Hi Jose, In each example there are 3 steps and 1 break (or tap). This is consistent no matter what timing one is dancing in. Depending on what number the break (or tap) is on determines the timing one is dancing in. Hope this helps!
I kind of see what you guys mean lol its funny didn't think it was this complex, shit I just been dancing to it for years never paid attention to which instrument I'm dancing to. I bet now I'll notice it when I dance after watching this though lol. 🇵🇷
It's something that comes naturally and eventually if you keep listening and dancing to bachata music. It's like when you're learning a new language, at first everyone speaks the same. But as you continue learning and using the language you eventually begin to pick out different accents. You begin to notice very different accents, not only from other people who speak the language in other countries but even within people in the same country itself. Its the same process. Hope this helps.
I am a casual amateur, so take my words with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that they are pretty much supposed to look all the same. Three steps flowed by one tap. The tempo slightly changes because they are following different instruments when dancing on 1,2,3 or 4. To me this video gives a good idea about the differences between these different way of dancing bachata, but in no way I could learn to differentiate the timing just from this video alone. Very hard to follow here, half the time I am not even sure what instrument or beat they are talking about. Starting from the very basics of the music theory of bachata, explaining clearly the quarter beats, then breaking up the song as suggested earlier by isolating one instrument at a time would have been immensely amazing learning video. But great video nonetheless.
Well explained and well exemplified, great example song. However, I need to comment on some of your opinions: a) I highly doubt that non-musically educated dominicans "from the street" connect to details of music with their basic step as implied; have you ever interviewed dominican people that mention they dance a certain timing to a certain instrument and have statistics for that? b) why would anyone start dancing on a tap with an accent in the requinto ("on 2")? for me, this is completely counterintuitive to the music: an accent has to be a strong movement, a tap is a light movement c) I think you mix up two concepts which should not be mixed up: musical interpretation and timing. If you want to interpret different instruments, maybe you better alter your basic than dance four different timings (how often do you switch your basic in a dance to dance to different instruments in a song, I wonder?) In my opinion, the best timing for any beginner is the same timing as the music composed: on 1. if you can - fully - interpret a whole song in 2, 3 or 4, show me and I bow before you.
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Hi DJ Vamp thank you, and thank you for your message, you bring up some interesting points. A) We believe that a “street dancer” is just as capable of connecting to details in the music as someone who is “musically educated.” Our examples are not rules, but rather ideas to show how we interpreted this particular song. For more information and background on this subject we invite you to visit documentarian Adam Taub’s channel, where you can find many videos of his interviews with Dominicans in the Dominican Republic. B) Dancing with a tap, or ‘light movement’ as you mentioned, is only one possibility when dancing bachata. As found on the Island, there are many possibilities for your break, such as a triple step, hold, slide, lift, etc. Your break doesn’t have to be soft, it can also be strong. C) It is not common to change the timing within a song. In other words, one timing is typically carried out through an entire song. We chose one song to exemplify all four timings for teaching purposes only, and we were not recommending to intentionally change to another timing within one song of a social dance. Though songs are not composed “on1” or “on” any other number, they are composed with a time signature. Bachata’s time signature is 4/4, meaning that there are four beats per measure of music. Not all instruments take the same strong beat, just as not all of the interments take the same weak beat. There are multiple rhythms and melodies happening simultaneously. Therefore, it’s all about perspective and what the dancer is hearing and choosing to interpret. When we shot this video we danced the song all the way through on all four timings, and enjoyed what each timing brought out in our dance. Because we wanted to make this video concise and to the point, it would have been too long to play them all. However, if you would like to see examples of an entire song danced on a different timing we invite you to view our channel (Areito Arts) where you can find our videos dancing on different timings, as well as a playlist titled “Bachata Timing.” In this playlist you will find full songs danced on different timings by other dancers, as well as Adam Taub’s 2 part educational video on “Bachata Dance Timing” and Carlos Cinta’s “Different Timings Concept” video. Thanks again for watching! 🇩🇴
@ Heyho, thanks for your detailed comment in a more neutral tone that I am capable of. I will give you guys a folowup round of critical comments ;) A) If people are educated on the street anyways, what is your job as "dance teacher"? Or are only Dominicans capable of hearing details of music and everybody else needs to learn it? B) My philosophy is very simple and the consequence is very complex: As a dancer, you are servant of the music that you love. The philosophy of almost all dancers I know is the other way round: To use the music as they see fit to present themselves. There, you can do whatever you want and you will always miss the point of the song. In my philosophy, you do what the music demands. Thus, you cannot use any movement for any part of the music (such as a tap in an accent in the music). C) Almost all pop songs on this earth do indeed have a "1" which is the first beat after the up-beat tbefore the introduction of the song. That is why teachers teach a basic "on 1" and organize figures according to this structure. Of course, you know this. It does not mean that you have to dance on it but it becomes very complicated to interpret music not dancing "on 1". Obviously, it is nice and fruitful to experiment but better not to do this at the beginning. The last point: I believe that you guys can technically dance to a song with another timing throughout the song like a whole salsa scene is called after. However, simply moving to music with figures in a shifted time signature is not yet dancing for me (see B). If you can BE the song -let's say on 3-, I would really like to see that. P.S.: Don't let yourself get annoyed by myself ;)
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DJ Vamp Hahaha no worries. ;) A) I will give this example: There are many musicians who are “trained musicians” they learned in school, learned theory, etc. There are also many musicians who are self taught and couldn’t tell you what a “Gm7 Chord” is, but that doesn’t mean they don’t know how to play/hear it, in fact it’s usually these type of musicians that depend on their ears rather than their eyes. I am simply saying whether being formally trained or not, does not determine someone’s ability to understand music. It also doesn’t mean that anyone/everyone understands music. Some trained people might still not be able to identify musicalities, where someone who was never formally trained can, even if they don’t know what they are formally called. Same goes for dancers. As we say in the video, most dancers on the Island aren’t thinking in terms of numbers, but rather listening to the music. We only use the numbers as a tool to explain the various timings. B) We are not attempting or suggesting to define bachata from outside the Island. Rather, we are looking to the birth place of Bachata (Dominican Republic) for our answers, and explaining these ideas and concepts in a way for the majority outside of the Island to understand them. C) Yes of course, every song has a 1, whether the first note of the song starts on the 1 or on another number depends on that song, however this fact has nothing to do with dancing on a particular number. In other words, music isn’t written “On1” etc. This is a dancers term, not a musical composers term. Last point: Though we are dancing on different timings does not mean that the time signature of the song has shifted. And yes! I love that you mention “On3!” Bolero Campesino (the earliest Bachata, before it got its own name) was originally danced On3 as it follows the bass line: 1-34, 1-34 (with the break being on the 2). Many dancers in the Dominican Republic dance bachata on this timing as the bass still takes a break on the 2 (1 &34, 1 &34). Again, if you visit our channel (Areito Arts) or Adam Taub’s channel you fill find many examples, from us and from people in the Dominican Republic. 🇩🇴
@Hey Guys, A) Is actually an interesting point to compare self-taught to school-taught because both are different approaches to the same content and can complement each other. I am not of the opinion that everything should be school-taught from top to bottom let's say but I think that teaching Bachata starting from an "intuitive position" is way more risky than from a structural position, However, if teachers do not know what the goal is in dancing (which - for me - is expressing music) teaching from a structural position can also go wrong. For example, at least in Germany, we have the problem that practically everything is school-taught. That is why you - very rarely - will see people actually dancing to the music and just repeating movements that were taught in dance schools. Don't get me wrong, I believe that people that were not school-taught can hear details of music (otherwise I would not try to teach anybody about anything). I believe RD has the exact opposite problem where you may connect to certain aspects of the music but do not see the song "as a whole" which brings me again to. C) The way music is composed has a strong impact on the way in which you are able to dance on it in a favourable way. Especially the Bachata basic "on 1" (compared to any other basic that I know of Salsa Zouk WCS Merengue Kizomba) and its timing catches the way of composing in 4/4 the best which is the origin of popularity in Europe even though people dont understand it. In the end, it should be 50/50 technical understanding and intuition.
Precioso Video: Los dos son fantàsticos! Los mejores! ❤🇩🇪
Sois los mejores. Os veo y aprendo el hermoso arte de la bachata. Saludos desde España.
Your videos give me a FEELING!! I am in Awe -- this is the only channel I have come across that doesn't just teach bachata... there is so culture/authenticity and passion. LOVE (please continue to make these videos)
Thank you so much GWEPA for helping us bring this video to life. For more of our videos on bachata music and dance or to learn more about our company, follow our channel @areitoarts also on Facebook and Instagram.
That's awesome that you are bringing this concept to the audience! That's very important for people to understand that just keeping the timing and starting on the downbeat is not enough to be musical. And also understand that if you only dance on1 you drastically limit yourself in ways to express music. The only thing that has to be added here is that in order to be musical you have to always shift from dancing on 1 to dancing on 2 etc. Even within 2 bars of music in order to create question-answer type of rhythm. So the main idea here is beyond just keeping some distinct timing like on 1, on 2 or whatever, but to use those concepts where it's appropriate in order to express the music you here in the most efficient way.
Thank you for this video!
VJ social dance Thank you for your comment! Yes, only dancing On1 can limit oneself in ways to express the music. However, from a cultural perspective, within a social dance it’s not common (or the goal) to change the timing within one song. To be clear, in this video we are only showing how to dance bachata on all four beats with one song to point out the different instruments, but we wouldn’t recommend changing the timing within one song during a social dance. That being said, we do have a performance where we change the timing, and actually dance on all four beats, within the same song/performance. We took the liberty in doing this, first and foremost because it is a show (not a social dance), and to showcase what you are describing; highlighting different instruments in different sections of the music. Thank you again for bringing up such a relevant subtopic.
Here is the performance I was referring to: ua-cam.com/video/gF2Oxz3_edM/v-deo.html
Desde Peru mis saludos y felicitaciones para ambos, en realidad bailan muy profesionalmente.
Your "wisdom" & "dance talent" is simply STUNNING - thanks for lot of great advice through your dancing videos on UA-cam - thanks a lot..;) !
Great that you made this video and playlist on Bachata timing! a great resource!
This is amazing guys, I have seen all the great dancers, I have been taking classes for four years now, but this video has made things a lot clearer for me now. Thanks.
I was never been able to identify 1 so I always used the guitar as reference, or the bass in some songs where the bass is more accentuated. Here in this song the guitar is the most audible.
Great shirt, Edwin.
Love the way you dance adwin
Thanks for representing us.
Just liked subcribed and shared on facebook. Awesome work. Lo bueno se celebra. I always dance on the one and follow the bongo.
Wow I just learned I've been dancing on 1 all my life. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I'm Dominican and love bachata but never know this till now
THANKS TO YOU TWO EDWIN AND DAKOTA :) IT REALLY HELPS TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO DANCE BACHATA DOMINICANA WITH DEFREN BETS, I LOVE WHAT YOU DO.. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION :)
I was looking your vídeos, and i love all of it and you two guys, i am from México and i would like to learn to dance like you! Congratilations
muy bien asi se baila bachata dominicana
Please please do a workshop someday in Los Angeles!! - awesome breakdown of the rhythms on the fingers tips btw -
Ella muy linda y delicada lo hacen muy bien 😊😃
I watch this video over 100 times
I really wish I could understand what they were explaining but I don’t. I’m new to bachata I want to learn more not only to dance, but to understand everything they were explaining I guess it takes time.
Einfach schön,ich liebe diese Art des Tanzes
siete bravi, vi seguo da italy.
Onde fica a escola de vocês?
República Dominicana ou EUA?
I love you Guys you look terrific !!!
amazing
hello Edwin i know you used to teach a joelsalsa where do you teach now ?
sooo all the same, just which instrument it follows?
All of a sudden this music is making me miss being on vacation 🌴 in the Dominican❤ Republic 😟
It would be helpful if you counted along with the steps you are showing. It's hard to see for beginners.
Thanks. Maybe if you can seperate the instruments and do the steps. So people could hear which instrument is being referred to. Great though.
thank's for all
greetins from Mexico
Correct me if I'm wrong but the timing is the same you guys are just tapping on 1 then 2 and so on.. I don't get it plz explain?
Jose Antonio baizabal Hi Jose, In each example there are 3 steps and 1 break (or tap). This is consistent no matter what timing one is dancing in. Depending on what number the break (or tap) is on determines the timing one is dancing in. Hope this helps!
SAVED!!!
this is literally the bachata version of the Banda version of hablame de ti
Hi Dakota
Por favor realicen tutorial en castellano
🤣...me no entender...qué coño dirán?😳...sólo " tun, tun-tun, tun, tun" se entiende 🤭...🤣. Saludos, estamos en las "mismas".🤗
I kind of see what you guys mean lol its funny didn't think it was this complex, shit I just been dancing to it for years never paid attention to which instrument I'm dancing to. I bet now I'll notice it when I dance after watching this though lol. 🇵🇷
Excelent bachata dancing guys sexy but with class
Thank you for the vídeo
It all looks the same .. HELP!! lol
It's something that comes naturally and eventually if you keep listening and dancing to bachata music. It's like when you're learning a new language, at first everyone speaks the same. But as you continue learning and using the language you eventually begin to pick out different accents. You begin to notice very different accents, not only from other people who speak the language in other countries but even within people in the same country itself. Its the same process. Hope this helps.
I am a casual amateur, so take my words with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that they are pretty much supposed to look all the same. Three steps flowed by one tap. The tempo slightly changes because they are following different instruments when dancing on 1,2,3 or 4. To me this video gives a good idea about the differences between these different way of dancing bachata, but in no way I could learn to differentiate the timing just from this video alone. Very hard to follow here, half the time I am not even sure what instrument or beat they are talking about. Starting from the very basics of the music theory of bachata, explaining clearly the quarter beats, then breaking up the song as suggested earlier by isolating one instrument at a time would have been immensely amazing learning video. But great video nonetheless.
Que guapa es Dakota
EDWIN IS FINE!
Sure very' easy.'.
Eso es bailar bachata con clase no lo que bailan las personas que lo hacen es mucha coreografía
Well explained and well exemplified, great example song. However, I need to comment on some of your opinions: a) I highly doubt that non-musically educated dominicans "from the street" connect to details of music with their basic step as implied; have you ever interviewed dominican people that mention they dance a certain timing to a certain instrument and have statistics for that? b) why would anyone start dancing on a tap with an accent in the requinto ("on 2")? for me, this is completely counterintuitive to the music: an accent has to be a strong movement, a tap is a light movement c) I think you mix up two concepts which should not be mixed up: musical interpretation and timing. If you want to interpret different instruments, maybe you better alter your basic than dance four different timings (how often do you switch your basic in a dance to dance to different instruments in a song, I wonder?) In my opinion, the best timing for any beginner is the same timing as the music composed: on 1. if you can - fully - interpret a whole song in 2, 3 or 4, show me and I bow before you.
Hi DJ Vamp thank you, and thank you for your message, you bring up some interesting points.
A) We believe that a “street dancer” is just as capable of connecting to details in the music as someone who is “musically educated.” Our examples are not rules, but rather ideas to show how we interpreted this particular song. For more information and background on this subject we invite you to visit documentarian Adam Taub’s channel, where you can find many videos of his interviews with Dominicans in the Dominican Republic.
B) Dancing with a tap, or ‘light movement’ as you mentioned, is only one possibility when dancing bachata. As found on the Island, there are many possibilities for your break, such as a triple step, hold, slide, lift, etc. Your break doesn’t have to be soft, it can also be strong.
C) It is not common to change the timing within a song. In other words, one timing is typically carried out through an entire song. We chose one song to exemplify all four timings for teaching purposes only, and we were not recommending to intentionally change to another timing within one song of a social dance. Though songs are not composed “on1” or “on” any other number, they are composed with a time signature. Bachata’s time signature is 4/4, meaning that there are four beats per measure of music. Not all instruments take the same strong beat, just as not all of the interments take the same weak beat. There are multiple rhythms and melodies happening simultaneously. Therefore, it’s all about perspective and what the dancer is hearing and choosing to interpret.
When we shot this video we danced the song all the way through on all four timings, and enjoyed what each timing brought out in our dance. Because we wanted to make this video concise and to the point, it would have been too long to play them all. However, if you would like to see examples of an entire song danced on a different timing we invite you to view our channel (Areito Arts) where you can find our videos dancing on different timings, as well as a playlist titled “Bachata Timing.” In this playlist you will find full songs danced on different timings by other dancers, as well as Adam Taub’s 2 part educational video on “Bachata Dance Timing” and Carlos Cinta’s “Different Timings Concept” video.
Thanks again for watching! 🇩🇴
@ Heyho, thanks for your detailed comment in a more neutral tone that I am capable of. I will give you guys a folowup round of critical comments ;) A) If people are educated on the street anyways, what is your job as "dance teacher"? Or are only Dominicans capable of hearing details of music and everybody else needs to learn it? B) My philosophy is very simple and the consequence is very complex: As a dancer, you are servant of the music that you love. The philosophy of almost all dancers I know is the other way round: To use the music as they see fit to present themselves. There, you can do whatever you want and you will always miss the point of the song. In my philosophy, you do what the music demands. Thus, you cannot use any movement for any part of the music (such as a tap in an accent in the music). C) Almost all pop songs on this earth do indeed have a "1" which is the first beat after the up-beat tbefore the introduction of the song. That is why teachers teach a basic "on 1" and organize figures according to this structure. Of course, you know this. It does not mean that you have to dance on it but it becomes very complicated to interpret music not dancing "on 1". Obviously, it is nice and fruitful to experiment but better not to do this at the beginning. The last point: I believe that you guys can technically dance to a song with another timing throughout the song like a whole salsa scene is called after. However, simply moving to music with figures in a shifted time signature is not yet dancing for me (see B). If you can BE the song -let's say on 3-, I would really like to see that. P.S.: Don't let yourself get annoyed by myself ;)
DJ Vamp Hahaha no worries. ;)
A) I will give this example: There are many musicians who are “trained musicians” they learned in school, learned theory, etc. There are also many musicians who are self taught and couldn’t tell you what a “Gm7 Chord” is, but that doesn’t mean they don’t know how to play/hear it, in fact it’s usually these type of musicians that depend on their ears rather than their eyes. I am simply saying whether being formally trained or not, does not determine someone’s ability to understand music. It also doesn’t mean that anyone/everyone understands music. Some trained people might still not be able to identify musicalities, where someone who was never formally trained can, even if they don’t know what they are formally called. Same goes for dancers. As we say in the video, most dancers on the Island aren’t thinking in terms of numbers, but rather listening to the music. We only use the numbers as a tool to explain the various timings.
B) We are not attempting or suggesting to define bachata from outside the Island. Rather, we are looking to the birth place of Bachata (Dominican Republic) for our answers, and explaining these ideas and concepts in a way for the majority outside of the Island to understand them.
C) Yes of course, every song has a 1, whether the first note of the song starts on the 1 or on another number depends on that song, however this fact has nothing to do with dancing on a particular number. In other words, music isn’t written “On1” etc. This is a dancers term, not a musical composers term.
Last point: Though we are dancing on different timings does not mean that the time signature of the song has shifted. And yes! I love that you mention “On3!” Bolero Campesino (the earliest Bachata, before it got its own name) was originally danced On3 as it follows the bass line: 1-34, 1-34 (with the break being on the 2). Many dancers in the Dominican Republic dance bachata on this timing as the bass still takes a break on the 2 (1 &34, 1 &34). Again, if you visit our channel (Areito Arts) or Adam Taub’s channel you fill find many examples, from us and from people in the Dominican Republic. 🇩🇴
@Hey Guys, A) Is actually an interesting point to compare self-taught to school-taught because both are different approaches to the same content and can complement each other. I am not of the opinion that everything should be school-taught from top to bottom let's say but I think that teaching Bachata starting from an "intuitive position" is way more risky than from a structural position, However, if teachers do not know what the goal is in dancing (which - for me - is expressing music) teaching from a structural position can also go wrong. For example, at least in Germany, we have the problem that practically everything is school-taught. That is why you - very rarely - will see people actually dancing to the music and just repeating movements that were taught in dance schools. Don't get me wrong, I believe that people that were not school-taught can hear details of music (otherwise I would not try to teach anybody about anything). I believe RD has the exact opposite problem where you may connect to certain aspects of the music but do not see the song "as a whole" which brings me again to. C) The way music is composed has a strong impact on the way in which you are able to dance on it in a favourable way. Especially the Bachata basic "on 1" (compared to any other basic that I know of Salsa Zouk WCS Merengue Kizomba) and its timing catches the way of composing in 4/4 the best which is the origin of popularity in Europe even though people dont understand it. In the end, it should be 50/50 technical understanding and intuition.
@@DJVampBachata why don’t you make a video on how the dancing should be?
Cause they looked fine to me.
Also is it mandatory to dance on 4 beat ?