@@sehajmahajan4683 Pete still cheated on his wife and threw away his marriage. Only reason his wife came back was he got a kick ass job. You’re right tho still better than Don
Yeah, I feel that John Hamm's acting wasn't that great in the pilot-- all those confident looks seem overdone, self-affected. (Though ofc he was literal perfection throughout the series). Vincent's portrayal of Pete, on the other hand, is so nuanced and complex from the get go.
@@JP-sx7fqHave you seen the show? She was shy, that’s an integral part to her character arc. She starts off a shy, diffident, secretary. She ends the show a very confident, outspoken, and respected copywriter.
@@patrickbrannan2228 yeah. The only truly great shows up to this point were sopranos and the wire. Once madmen and breaking bad started, suddenly we got a great show seemingly every year
@@carolgrier7774 I wasn’t around in the 50’s. But the combination of production values, cast and crew talent, and overall quality/success of tv shows that have come out around the turn of the century onward, makes a compelling case for the golden age title, I think. It wasn’t that long ago that successful film actors considered it beneath them to appear in tv shows. Signing up to do a tv show used to actually signal the end the of one’s film career
Was this in the USA? Because AFAIK it didn't happen in the UK.
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Yes so true. 1969 women working in business must wear dresses, stockings, heels, make up, hair appropriate, ad nauseam. being a single woman in that timeline looks romantic on television, but was hell to live by. Uphill climb to get hired by many executives standards.
@@saskk2290 Only in the sense that someone is so stupidly confident that they have no problem being openly chauvinistic. But that’s not confidence, it’s arrogance.
Had this exact conversation with an ex employee once, he lasted less than 2 weeks before he was slapped with a sexual misconduct at work. He was fired, no unemployment to claim and a tainted record.
I don't know if they purposely aged Don throughout the series due to alcoholism, smoking and just the overall unhealthy lifestyle, but he really looked so much fresher and younger in the first season
The pilot was filmed a good 18 months before the rest of season one. You can notice the difference starting as soon as the second episode. That age is also when men’s face begins to start showing age, which is usually hidden by facial hair, but because it was set in the past it couldn’t have that.
I think they did. In interviews with John Hamm during the last few seasons he looked much better than his character. They had to give Don some physical consequences for his lifestyle.
Ask people to name the best TV show of all time and most will say Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, The Wire... but for me it's Mad Men. The characters, the dialog, the style, it had it all and that ending. Too perfect
Funny thing is that as later episodes show that season, she REALLY was into Pete treating her like that. And those women my friends are some do the most fun.
Two of the greatest tv shows of all time: the Sopranos and Mad Men: They both featured very few likeable characters. Interesting charters? Characters you couldn't take your eyes off? Characters who made you tune back in again every week? Yes. But likeable...?? Not so much.
No that WAS the world then. Why i didn't want to be a secretary. I went to second choice for women then, nursing. It wasn't much different with Drs. They were hopefully a bit more subtle.
Such a bummer to cut out the lines. Advertising is a very small world. When you malign the reputation of a girl from the steno pool on your first day you make it even smaller.
A truly superb series where characters were three dimensional. Pete was obnoxious but he did have a different side and Draper who is goid here, had his darker more tortured inner-self. The whole series is defined, in my opinion, by this first episode when Sal and Don are discussing a proposed advertising campaign - Sal, ironically, mocking at one point that people live one life, whilst actually being someone else inside. This to me, is at the core of what this series was about. Truly one of the greatest TV series of all time..
Don Draper is a class act, straight from episode 1. So many people got turned off of this show because of the chauvinism, not realizing that the ENTIRE SHOW is about the transition from 1960 to 1970.
I fucking adored Don and Pete’s friendship, you could see how most of it was just based off mutual business agreements but the rare moments every now and then where you see them actually be there for each other are always so damn wholesome lol
This blatant, unfiltered, toxic sexism makes my blood boil. I know it's just a show. But you just know there's still many people like that who at least still think what that douche said.
I realised this much later on a second watch of the show : this is exactly the point where Don and Pete start on their opposite trajectories. By the end Don loses his wife to death (initially Henry) and his daughter to estrangement. He has a mental breakdown and sobs in front of what he calls 'a weak man' as all his pent up emotions pour out. Peggy also leaves him although that happens earlier. He's still a great ad man but his co-workers lose trust in him because he's highly unreliable by the end. Meanwhile Pete experiences true love (forgot the name of the neighbour woman with memory loss) and the anguish of losing it. He makes up with his wife and daughter and goes back to live with them as a changed man. He's on the board of one of the biggest ad agencies. He even makes up with Peggy after a heartfelt conversation. While Pete matures after various stumbling blocks and mistakes, Don sinks deeper and deeper into his hole despite success at almost every turn.
Never realised how much Draper forecast Pete's trajectory through the seasons
I just googled the actor Vincent Kartheiser. They clearly made him shave his head while filming to make it look like his hair was receding.
pete turned out to be one of the most decent characters on the entire show. Don, not so much. Pete was a better man than don anyday
@@sehajmahajan4683 Pete still cheated on his wife and threw away his marriage. Only reason his wife came back was he got a kick ass job. You’re right tho still better than Don
@@GWUAJAKDFH they didn't make him. he is the one that came up with the idea of shaving his head to have a receding hariline
@@sehajmahajan4683 in what world?
Pete got humbled real quick. 😅
The truth hurts. A lot of men could learn a valuable lesson were they to heed those words
Humiliated, more like, and being the insecure putz he is, he then spent every minute plotting his revenge.
He didnt lmao stayed a douche whole series
His look of humiliation at the end was done perfectly
Yeah, I feel that John Hamm's acting wasn't that great in the pilot-- all those confident looks seem overdone, self-affected. (Though ofc he was literal perfection throughout the series). Vincent's portrayal of Pete, on the other hand, is so nuanced and complex from the get go.
I love how Peggy is simultaneously shy but also like "urgh, what's wrong with you?"
You mistake an inability to speak without getting fired for shyness.
@@JP-sx7fqHave you seen the show? She was shy, that’s an integral part to her character arc. She starts off a shy, diffident, secretary. She ends the show a very confident, outspoken, and respected copywriter.
Eeww just eww I love Peggy
This was so well written. This was one of the shows that began the golden age of television
Mad Men debuted a few weeks after the Sopranos ended. Matt Weiner helped it continue!
@@patrickbrannan2228 yeah. The only truly great shows up to this point were sopranos and the wire. Once madmen and breaking bad started, suddenly we got a great show seemingly every year
Hahaha. Wait till you are actually old. It took me 10 minutes to find out what you thought was The Golden age of TV. 2007😅
@@carolgrier7774 I wasn’t around in the 50’s. But the combination of production values, cast and crew talent, and overall quality/success of tv shows that have come out around the turn of the century onward, makes a compelling case for the golden age title, I think.
It wasn’t that long ago that successful film actors considered it beneath them to appear in tv shows. Signing up to do a tv show used to actually signal the end the of one’s film career
@@carolgrier7774 I KNOW, right?🤣🤣🤣
My mother was a secretary during these years. Her resume had to include her height, weight and measurements. No joke.
Was this in the USA? Because AFAIK it didn't happen in the UK.
Yes so true. 1969 women working in business must wear dresses, stockings, heels, make up, hair appropriate, ad nauseam. being a single woman in that timeline looks romantic on television, but was hell to live by. Uphill climb to get hired by many executives standards.
They made it look pretty bad to be a secretary on this show.
then even after all that get paid crap. And deal with comments daily
Disgusting!
Draper killed it . 👍🏽
Older, wiser, and CLASSIER!!! 😍
she took the best course of action here. ignore him and focus on whos actually important
And then slept with him before the episode was over.
Women ☕️
@@CubeBizzIncels 🤮
Slept with him and even got pregnant by him.
I think we all can agree there's a small but subtle difference between confident and chauvinistic
It’s not small, and it’s not subtle……
@@maxb548 it has to be sometimes subtle if the masses can't distinguish them half the time.
@@saskk2290 Only in the sense that someone is so stupidly confident that they have no problem being openly chauvinistic. But that’s not confidence, it’s arrogance.
No, they aren’t even in the same zip code.
Tell that to the Covenant.
Best, most well-written tv show ever.
The Wire and Breaking Bad were pretty good.
@@jamesanthony5681 The Holy Trinity of quality programming in my view!
@@po-cf1ut Can't disagree.
Pete was the only one who was happy when Don returned. What a change.
Draper said this in Episode 1 and this is exactly what happened in the last season. He called it.
Man y’all should label your comments with a warning if it has a spoiler 😫
@@adamchappell6761or do the intelligent thing and don’t read a comment section for a show that has already aired.
@@SyroxMurdockbecause you have watched all media made before that point? 😂
Oh..in that case...this is in my must watch list!😂
He called it because its a show, written beforehand. You all acting like its real
"We're both men here, so I'm going to be direct. I like you, and I want you"
Now we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way
@@Omar_Faciothe choice is yourz...
Bootywarrior in the house🎉
YOU CANT HAVE MY BOOTY
@@didybopintitysI got this reference. 😂
Pete aged 80 years during the course of the show
And he’s the only one who doesn’t smoke
It’s what happen when you don’t have a window in your office.
@@BETAFOOL101 He needed a vitamin D supplement 😆
Probably because he slept with that ogre
Well the show takes 80 years to watch
Holy shit bro would've made a Hell of a Bruce Wayne.
God would he ever. I don't know that he'd be great as grim batman, but he'd be a hell of a Wayne, and he'd do pretty good as silver age batman.
Damn, you're right
I think Hamm would make a great Matt Helm , Strickland wrote 27 books .. .
@@LurklenThomas Wayne Batman
Ryan Gosling would make a great Bruce and Batman tbh
Don Draper is so good looking it’s almost criminal. The hair, the suite, the swagger, the smirk. No one has the right to be THAT fine.
He's good-looking, but I don't know about all that.
I’ve always had a man-crush on John Hamm. Can’t help it
You don’t look like that profile pic u catfish
Richard Gere in "Pretty Woman"!
I didn’t realize hamsters could type.
I love so much this show, I need to rewatch it again
Jokes on Draper, Pete did bang Peggy lol 😂
Had this exact conversation with an ex employee once, he lasted less than 2 weeks before he was slapped with a sexual misconduct at work. He was fired, no unemployment to claim and a tainted record.
What did you say, compared to boss man in this clip?
Hopefully he had to give bjs to earn a living. He deserves it.
@@acet3739 🙄
@@acet3739 Here slapped refers to being handed out or given, not the action of slapping
@@acet3739 How can she slap‽
Wow did he tell him straight 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂!!!!left his manners indeed😂😂😂😂😂
Draper at his peak.
What an excellent series this was
I don't know if they purposely aged Don throughout the series due to alcoholism, smoking and just the overall unhealthy lifestyle, but he really looked so much fresher and younger in the first season
The pilot was filmed a good 18 months before the rest of season one.
You can notice the difference starting as soon as the second episode.
That age is also when men’s face begins to start showing age, which is usually hidden by facial hair, but because it was set in the past it couldn’t have that.
I think they did. In interviews with John Hamm during the last few seasons he looked much better than his character. They had to give Don some physical consequences for his lifestyle.
And he spoke so much smoother too.
@@Centhar Keanu Reeves entered the chat
I mean he looks great in Baby Driver so anyone who doesn’t think the aging was purposeful should check that out
Pete Campbell was a weasel. Great character!
He provided some of the best laughs.
God this is one of the best shows ever.. no hyperbole..
pete had a great arc
I dated a woman who worked on Madison Avenue, won a Clio for one of her TV ads. She told me she never watched MM because it hit too close to home.
I would pay to hear the stories she could tell. Especially as a woman, omg I don’t think I want to know some of it.
Ask people to name the best TV show of all time and most will say Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, The Wire... but for me it's Mad Men. The characters, the dialog, the style, it had it all and that ending. Too perfect
I agree
Me too, Mad Men is the epitome of Prestige TV. The layers of depth in it is amazing.
In terms of writing, no show has been as good as Deadwood, imo.
What a gentleman!
The most accurate prediction here is the loss of Pete’s hair…RIP
Yea he just spoke directly to me.
That was tough.
Omgg can't get enough of Don
Funny thing is that as later episodes show that season, she REALLY was into Pete treating her like that. And those women my friends are some do the most fun.
Pete ends up finding out more of who he really needs to be at the end. He needed his family, Trudy and his own way to sell.
Connor is all grown up. His dad, Angel, would be so proud. 😁
Two of the greatest tv shows of all time: the Sopranos and Mad Men: They both featured very few likeable characters. Interesting charters? Characters you couldn't take your eyes off? Characters who made you tune back in again every week? Yes. But likeable...?? Not so much.
I love me a fascinating charter
The actors, writing, storyline, and character development in both series are so great, they're still watchable and engrossing years later.
Both written by Matthew Wiener as well
@@SangreFriasBack oops! 😬
I agree, although I could still find myself cheering on Mad Men characters. I just hated everyone in Sopranos and felt joy when each of them died.
I know it was the 1960s but damn talking to a woman like that would automatically put you in jail or on a restraining order
No. It didn't.
That chauvinistic attitude towards women still exists today but now it’s usually dealt with quickly 😊
No that WAS the world then. Why i didn't want to be a secretary. I went to second choice for women then, nursing. It wasn't much different with Drs. They were hopefully a bit more subtle.
I'm so glad for people like draper
The best moment of season 1 is when Don visits Peggy at the hospital.
Best show ever.
Damn that dressing down of Pete was elegant and fierce at the same time!
It’s the look in his eyes at the end that sells it.
Pete is how President 45 views the world! “Just one brazier strap ready to be popped!!”
He lives in your head rent-free, doesn't he sweetheart?
The lost slaps and kicks at that time 😂😂😂
Pete got slapped without being touched...
This guy acting as Pete is an excellent actor
Best clip in the whole series.
He actually came to respect "Don" & all 3 of them peg Pete & Don became close friends cuz they all knew each others worst secrets & that was ok.
Legend as always ❤👌🏻
Best show ever
He was put in his place directly
Those things could poke an eye out.
lol he called the hairline EARLY
Great show, so true of those times.
Damn Jon Hamm 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Archangel Gabriel! 😂
I'm working my way up was the funniest part
You mean creepiest, right?
@@LaneyfaceSometimes trash takes itself out. In this case 68 times.
Advertising is a very SMOL, world! 😂😂😂😂
Good ending
FUNNY...JON HAMM TALKING ABOUT FRATERNITYS
What an outstanding show.
Revisions of historical dialogue
Great show
Such a bummer to cut out the lines.
Advertising is a very small world.
When you malign the reputation of a girl from the steno pool on your first day you make it even smaller.
What does it mean to cut out the lines?
@@danielbush6882the clip had more dialogue than this, and better dialogue too
Love Vincent Kartheiser! Played the shit outta that role!
Man they all looked so young. Even Don.
Nah, he became a jet salesman
Mr Campbell left his manners in the shit house. He's going nowhere in a hurry. 😊
Great Show. I learned a lot from Donald Draper
Told him straight up.
A truly superb series where characters were three dimensional. Pete was obnoxious but he did have a different side and Draper who is goid here, had his darker more tortured inner-self. The whole series is defined, in my opinion, by this first episode when Sal and Don are discussing a proposed advertising campaign - Sal, ironically, mocking at one point that people live one life, whilst actually being someone else inside. This to me, is at the core of what this series was about. Truly one of the greatest TV series of all time..
Don Draper is a class act, straight from episode 1. So many people got turned off of this show because of the chauvinism, not realizing that the ENTIRE SHOW is about the transition from 1960 to 1970.
Loved Mad Men!
He didn't like Pete, but he did try to give him advice
Hamm was so good!
She ends up having Mr. Campbell's baby!
Every single m@n needs to hear this talk from an older m@n.
She’s not from Brooklyn. She’s from Gilead!
Did she know Roland Deschain?
Nah, she's from New Hampshire, her father was the president.
She’s from texas and her husband coaches football at the masonic orphanage
Pete Campbell looks like a baby in this scene
Funny how almost everyone, throughout the first episode, including Joan and the rest of the girls told Peggy about her legs
Don Draper would be Harvey Specter's idol
Always alway ALWAYS listen to the marketing people when they are direct with you.
Got him together!😉
Foreshadowing at its best.
Top 5 pilot episodes of all time 🥃
Don Draper ❤
Brooklyn is part of the city.
Tell me you're not a New Yorker without telling me you're not a New Yorker
@@do0mbr1ng3r Manhattan boys think they're special because the island is surrounded by a copper wire
@@do0mbr1ng3r cringe
People who live in NYC refer to Manhattan as the city, so the dialogue is accurate to how people speak here.
But it's not Manhattan. Manhattan is the Real city.
That was pretty direct.
Looks just fine.
Whole time, he still ended up cracking peggy.
Layne kicked petes arse, then kicked the bucket
Shes so beautiful
Now I gotta rewatch for the 7th time damnit
I was kinda hoping he would fire him.
I fucking adored Don and Pete’s friendship, you could see how most of it was just based off mutual business agreements but the rare moments every now and then where you see them actually be there for each other are always so damn wholesome lol
This blatant, unfiltered, toxic sexism makes my blood boil. I know it's just a show. But you just know there's still many people like that who at least still think what that douche said.
That kind of behavior exists more at some of the smaller, privately held companies than it does at larger, publicly traded corporations.
Trudy saved him from himself several times
I realised this much later on a second watch of the show : this is exactly the point where Don and Pete start on their opposite trajectories. By the end Don loses his wife to death (initially Henry) and his daughter to estrangement. He has a mental breakdown and sobs in front of what he calls 'a weak man' as all his pent up emotions pour out. Peggy also leaves him although that happens earlier. He's still a great ad man but his co-workers lose trust in him because he's highly unreliable by the end.
Meanwhile Pete experiences true love (forgot the name of the neighbour woman with memory loss) and the anguish of losing it. He makes up with his wife and daughter and goes back to live with them as a changed man. He's on the board of one of the biggest ad agencies. He even makes up with Peggy after a heartfelt conversation.
While Pete matures after various stumbling blocks and mistakes, Don sinks deeper and deeper into his hole despite success at almost every turn.
This is why Don was Draper