catching up on Round 2 performances, it is clear why Angie Zhang is in the Finals (Stage 3). She makes the piano sing and play (and brood when called for). Just listening to her play without the video, I would guess her to be a far more experienced pianist. She also really connects with the historical pianos themselves. Superb. I will listen again to these performances of hers long after the competition.
@@jorgegutierreztellez3663 more than anything, it showed amazing ability to recover instantly to a memory slip. Furthermore those critics focusing on such natural slip occurence indicates their mediocrity as listeners. Unfortunately a lot of jury are like you they're not musical people rather than being able to judge musical art they judge small disgressions.
@@ericastier1646 I don't mind about the odd wrong note. But she seems to have no control over tempo or texture - it is all a fast gabble, whether Mazurka, Waltz or Sonata. Also, little feeling for the dynamic and tonal resources of this Pleyel, which are not nearly so limited as she makes them sound. Several of the other performers seemed to me more successful with both aspects of their performance.
@@zugzwang2007 The wrong notes and fiery tempo are nerves and lack of experience, those can be worked on but talent cannot and talent she has, while two others do not have any and one only somewhat (Derek Wang). Her left hand is stronger than the other contestants who hide it and lack harmony polyphony. She is a gem in the rough with proper teaching and working on her weakness she would outdo most other contestants. While Zhang has reached her full potential and its boring, calculated, priority on no mistakes, melodramatic, disrespectful use of aggressive (i would even say ferocious) inappropriate rubato changes, you can hear cruelty in her playing, not grace, not poetry. Also rhythmically she plays like a kung fu demonstration not like a dance in the Waltz for example. A lot of harsh sounds, a neglected left hand, and some sudden drop of tone with excessive changes in tempo i don't call that dynamic control. It's cheap cold playing with the goal to impress. Honestly when i heard Alice i had goosebumps from her ability to get inside the music but yes she needs to work on some issues she has.
As she did in the first round, at least to my ear, Angie Zhang made the Graf sing, this time in Chopin's Waltz in A. In addition, this time she was the only one in this group to play the Sonata 58, with which I am less familiar and Ioved, especially her rendition of the largo. A favorite bit of the largo was the end, ua-cam.com/video/mZoHYI5AY_U/v-deo.html. Just divine, at least to me. 🤩 😍
rigid and agressive playing and broken sense of rythm. Like a snake striking or a crocodile striking a deer when the Waltz should be about dance and supple gracious sound and movements. Also she sounds like she learned it by trying to immitiate historical recordings but sounds like a second rate copy especially unnaturalness.
@@CaradhrasAiguo49 In forgeries or copying original art, the copist develops his skills copying a true artist. This exists in oil painting, China produces some of the best copies of grand master painters. But it's not only paintings, the same can be done in classical music interpretation. You don't have to know which CD they copied but you can tell if you have sufficient artistry yourself that they are reciting something they copied. It's never as good as a genuine expression. I hear that in her playing. And it happens in other disciplines too. Some people live their whole life as plagiarists.
A mnie a mnie wczoraj w radiu urzekło zacytowane powiedzenie pana Tomaszewskiego znanego szopenisty, że chociaż muzyka Chopina gra na źle i tak się obroni.
I think the problem with this Chopin Competition on Period Instrument is the jury has proved incompetent in discerning those candidate who brought the best of these instruments instead they picked those who sounded closest to modern day steinways, which is bad. I was first delighted to see there is a competition on Period pianos, an some candidates really made those instrument shine with the right touch but the jurys are incapable to understand the aesthetics of the sound of these superior instruments and in their mind they want the ugly steinway muddy, pounding, opaque sound. Exactly what this competition should avoid.
Those 3 Asians happen to be all Chinese made in the image of God , just the same as the European pianist, all equally beautiful in the sight of God their Maker! Shalom!🙏✝️
I remember my teacher said I saw first competitor won international piano competition before the competition had been started. I think Derek Wang can do that.
Your teacher has an inflated self view. Picking the right horse in a race means picking the fastest horse. Picking the winner in a piano competition only means your teacher had the same biases as the jury, it does not mean the best pianist for another jury or true artists.
@@ericastier1646 I can’t understand fastest horse. I know to win piano competition is lack of juries. But I want you remember they are also professional pianists. So they can find who has the talent as a pianist in future with them greatest music ears. If you want to listen performance of a pianist for yourself, I recommend you don’t listen competition. It’s cruel. And, You said jury can’t choose true artists, that’s so rude to all competitors and juries.
@@clitoristiano_ronaldo You can keep your presumption and orders for your child, not for me. Jury members in competitions are totally biased by their lives, often old they bear significant music business political views, they are no better than true artists at picking the better artists. Luganski arguably the most renown Russian pianist today said competitions are a farce, they do not discern the best pianists but arbitrarely what style of playing must be played to get the prize. Already they proved their incompetence in this session by passing a candidate that almost had to stop playing and leave the stage as her playing fell apart in the 2nd round in the sonata when i knew in her 1st round she should have been eliminated showing sign of not having memorized her pieces already. Meanwhile they didn't pass better pianists. Your teacher is an arogant like many piano teachers are.
Arisa Onoda should have been selected, i ranked her top in her subgroup. She had the most beautiful pearly touch that sublimely fitted these period pianos . Some of the selected pianists have a heavy modern piano touch that does not fit these period pianos. For example Yonghuan Zhong with an ugly pounding sound. Unfortunately she was in a group with two Polish pianists in a Polish competition that has a strong Polish national pride. Both Polish were selected. I would only have picked one but Arisa Onoda first.
Interesting the first three asian pianists all lack the waltz sense of **1** - 2 - 3 rythm they play by emulating historical recordings, you can hear it at the end of the Waltz in Derek Wang the 1-2-3 is entirely gone in the last bars ! also they use aggression instead of dance rubato, definitively lacking in cultural understanding of European music.
Angie Zhang's performance was superb. Creative rubato, thoughtfully dosed contrasts, perfect control over sound. A clear winner. Superior.
Alice Baccalini... Perfetta! Meravigliosa e.. Semplicemente SUBLIME!!
It’s so refreshing to see such personal music played personally and beautifully
i love periods instrument's sound
Nice but somehow it sounds restrained hence the evolution of the modern piano which is amazing!😊
catching up on Round 2 performances, it is clear why Angie Zhang is in the Finals (Stage 3). She makes the piano sing and play (and brood when called for). Just listening to her play without the video, I would guess her to be a far more experienced pianist. She also really connects with the historical pianos themselves. Superb. I will listen again to these performances of hers long after the competition.
Alice Baccalini est un grand talent d'artiste, elle joue comme si elle avait composé ce qu'elle joue.
lol... and the waltz?
Oui, c'était incroyablement bien joué!
@@jorgegutierreztellez3663 more than anything, it showed amazing ability to recover instantly to a memory slip. Furthermore those critics focusing on such natural slip occurence indicates their mediocrity as listeners. Unfortunately a lot of jury are like you they're not musical people rather than being able to judge musical art they judge small disgressions.
@@ericastier1646 I don't mind about the odd wrong note. But she seems to have no control over tempo or texture - it is all a fast gabble, whether Mazurka, Waltz or Sonata. Also, little feeling for the dynamic and tonal resources of this Pleyel, which are not nearly so limited as she makes them sound. Several of the other performers seemed to me more successful with both aspects of their performance.
@@zugzwang2007 The wrong notes and fiery tempo are nerves and lack of experience, those can be worked on but talent cannot and talent she has, while two others do not have any and one only somewhat (Derek Wang). Her left hand is stronger than the other contestants who hide it and lack harmony polyphony. She is a gem in the rough with proper teaching and working on her weakness she would outdo most other contestants. While Zhang has reached her full potential and its boring, calculated, priority on no mistakes, melodramatic, disrespectful use of aggressive (i would even say ferocious) inappropriate rubato changes, you can hear cruelty in her playing, not grace, not poetry. Also rhythmically she plays like a kung fu demonstration not like a dance in the Waltz for example. A lot of harsh sounds, a neglected left hand, and some sudden drop of tone with excessive changes in tempo i don't call that dynamic control. It's cheap cold playing with the goal to impress. Honestly when i heard Alice i had goosebumps from her ability to get inside the music but yes she needs to work on some issues she has.
Yonghuan, bravo!!! ❤
我非常喜歡 Yonghuan Zhong 的演奏個性，讓我想起了李雲迪，情感洋溢，偶爾溢出技術的控（限）制，縱然如此依然亂美。 不論比賽結果為何，讓我想日後繼續關注他的演奏。
As she did in the first round, at least to my ear, Angie Zhang made the Graf sing, this time in Chopin's Waltz in A. In addition, this time she was the only one in this group to play the Sonata 58, with which I am less familiar and Ioved, especially her rendition of the largo. A favorite bit of the largo was the end, ua-cam.com/video/mZoHYI5AY_U/v-deo.html. Just divine, at least to me. 🤩 😍
I totally Agree!
rigid and agressive playing and broken sense of rythm. Like a snake striking or a crocodile striking a deer when the Waltz should be about dance and supple gracious sound and movements. Also she sounds like she learned it by trying to immitiate historical recordings but sounds like a second rate copy especially unnaturalness.
@@ericastier1646 Which recordings is Angie trying to imitate?
@@CaradhrasAiguo49 In forgeries or copying original art, the copist develops his skills copying a true artist. This exists in oil painting, China produces some of the best copies of grand master painters. But it's not only paintings, the same can be done in classical music interpretation. You don't have to know which CD they copied but you can tell if you have sufficient artistry yourself that they are reciting something they copied. It's never as good as a genuine expression. I hear that in her playing. And it happens in other disciplines too. Some people live their whole life as plagiarists.
@@ericastier1646 an admission of handwaving. I upvoted your comment on Baccalini, but there's no need to accuse someone of plagiarism
I wonder how the international chopin piano competition finalists will sound using this piano, I want to hear it so bad
✨👏✨👏✨👏✨👏✨👏✨
A mnie a mnie wczoraj w radiu urzekło zacytowane powiedzenie pana Tomaszewskiego znanego szopenisty,
że chociaż muzyka Chopina gra na źle i tak się obroni.
I think the problem with this Chopin Competition on Period Instrument is the jury has proved incompetent in discerning those candidate who brought the best of these instruments instead they picked those who sounded closest to modern day steinways, which is bad. I was first delighted to see there is a competition on Period pianos, an some candidates really made those instrument shine with the right touch but the jurys are incapable to understand the aesthetics of the sound of these superior instruments and in their mind they want the ugly steinway muddy, pounding, opaque sound. Exactly what this competition should avoid.
Those 3 Asians happen to be all Chinese made in the image of God , just the same as the European pianist, all equally beautiful in the sight of God their Maker! Shalom!🙏✝️
I remember my teacher said I saw first competitor won international piano competition before the competition had been started. I think Derek Wang can do that.
Probably, but I think Angie will win. However, in the first movement... although it was no worse than other collapses.
@@jorgegutierreztellez3663year I thought Angie played well, too. But I was worried that the sound of the waltz was a little too stiff and strong.
Your teacher has an inflated self view. Picking the right horse in a race means picking the fastest horse. Picking the winner in a piano competition only means your teacher had the same biases as the jury, it does not mean the best pianist for another jury or true artists.
@@ericastier1646 I can’t understand fastest horse. I know to win piano competition is lack of juries. But I want you remember they are also professional pianists. So they can find who has the talent as a pianist in future with them greatest music ears. If you want to listen performance of a pianist for yourself, I recommend you don’t listen competition. It’s cruel. And, You said jury can’t choose true artists, that’s so rude to all competitors and juries.
@@clitoristiano_ronaldo You can keep your presumption and orders for your child, not for me. Jury members in competitions are totally biased by their lives, often old they bear significant music business political views, they are no better than true artists at picking the better artists. Luganski arguably the most renown Russian pianist today said competitions are a farce, they do not discern the best pianists but arbitrarely what style of playing must be played to get the prize. Already they proved their incompetence in this session by passing a candidate that almost had to stop playing and leave the stage as her playing fell apart in the 2nd round in the sonata when i knew in her 1st round she should have been eliminated showing sign of not having memorized her pieces already. Meanwhile they didn't pass better pianists. Your teacher is an arogant like many piano teachers are.
Arisa Onoda should have been selected, i ranked her top in her subgroup. She had the most beautiful pearly touch that sublimely fitted these period pianos .
Some of the selected pianists have a heavy modern piano touch that does not fit these period pianos. For example Yonghuan Zhong with an ugly pounding sound.
Unfortunately she was in a group with two Polish pianists in a Polish competition that has a strong Polish national pride. Both Polish were selected. I would only have picked one but Arisa Onoda first.
You should be in the jury!
Interesting the first three asian pianists all lack the waltz sense of **1** - 2 - 3 rythm they play by emulating historical recordings, you can hear it at the end of the Waltz in Derek Wang the 1-2-3 is entirely gone in the last bars ! also they use aggression instead of dance rubato, definitively lacking in cultural understanding of European music.