Garry Kasparov vs. Deep Blue: The Chess Battle For Humanity

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  • Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
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    This is the Garry Kasparov and Deep Blue chess match of 1996 and 1997. Before the days of Alpha Zero, Stockfish, Leela... there was IBM's Deep Blue.
    0:00 Intro
    0:32 1996 GAME 1
    7:02 1996 GAME 2
    10:17 1996 GAME 6
    14:27 1997 GAME 1
    18:57 1997 GAME 2
    25:22 FINAL GAME
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  • @badalkoirala
    @badalkoirala 3 роки тому +11794

    Back then Engines were accused of using players and now players are accused of using engines.

    • @mykonos466
      @mykonos466 3 роки тому +277

      good times

    • @rengarora.f.k3452
      @rengarora.f.k3452 3 роки тому +44

      @@Dducksquad lmao

    • @blunderbus2695
      @blunderbus2695 3 роки тому +147

      @@Dducksquad
      My, how the turn tables

    • @jedinxf7
      @jedinxf7 3 роки тому +11

      lol true

    • @philippebaillargeon5204
      @philippebaillargeon5204 3 роки тому +68

      Basically AI vs brute force. Brute force is the shittiest approach you can use to solve a problem while AI in this case is the best best approach.

  • @FefeElChat
    @FefeElChat 3 роки тому +7377

    "You'll notice that he plays a reverse Grunfeld"
    Me, 600 elo: mhm yes of course

    • @SpiceLettuce
      @SpiceLettuce 3 роки тому +853

      Ah yes, the… reverse garfield?

    • @sanukayjayawardana9786
      @sanukayjayawardana9786 3 роки тому +39

      @@SpiceLettuce no grunfeld

    • @SpiceLettuce
      @SpiceLettuce 3 роки тому +541

      @@sanukayjayawardana9786 that’s the joke, you see. It implied I was so inexperienced that I did not understand what he was saying.

    • @Matthew-pc3zx
      @Matthew-pc3zx 3 роки тому +170

      @@sanukayjayawardana9786 r/woosh

    • @Noir0rioN
      @Noir0rioN 3 роки тому +111

      I always play the modified double helix (but only if white opens with horsey jumping the mini-phallus). Fun side note: "check, mate?" is also widely used in Australia on paydays. #themoreyouknow.

  • @DanjasLP
    @DanjasLP 2 роки тому +3798

    Garry in game 3 straight up went:
    Garry: "Draw?"
    Deep Blue Team: "Nah"
    Garry: "It's treason then"

  • @benjaminoechsli1941
    @benjaminoechsli1941 Рік тому +2425

    Watching in December 2022, I'd love to see GMs of today take on these old engines.

    • @Makowako_
      @Makowako_ Рік тому +31

      Yes

    • @adamkings4124
      @adamkings4124 Рік тому +5

      Same

    • @JohannesMariaRunge
      @JohannesMariaRunge Рік тому +161

      Because they have learned from the machines as well...its insane.

    • @mihalymoravszki1874
      @mihalymoravszki1874 Рік тому +2

      Me too

    • @unbearablepun8608
      @unbearablepun8608 Рік тому +144

      @@JohannesMariaRunge it’s crazy watching these and how Garry adjusted his play so quickly to counter the deep blue’s play style. His brain took him 1 or 2 games and he knew exactly what he had to do if he wanted to win at the time. AI’s today could never be trained that quickly even with the number of ‘neuron connections’ rivaling the human brain. It’s just a cool thing to think abt i thought

  • @davidmikan7925
    @davidmikan7925 3 роки тому +5944

    2021: this human is cheating with an engine
    1996: this engine is cheating with a human 😤

  • @jacobshahwan3820
    @jacobshahwan3820 3 роки тому +3682

    "I drew a treadmill"
    This is what true advancement looks like

    • @thebus3181
      @thebus3181 3 роки тому +63

      I drew a horse

    • @theinnerwaffle5887
      @theinnerwaffle5887 3 роки тому +124

      @@thebus3181 Why are you playing chess with your mom?

    • @thebus3181
      @thebus3181 3 роки тому +17

      @@theinnerwaffle5887 I am confused what does this mean

    • @tristian14
      @tristian14 3 роки тому +49

      @@thebus3181 he called your mom a horse

    • @thebus3181
      @thebus3181 3 роки тому +81

      @@tristian14 Oh thanks

  • @Randomguy-fu2et
    @Randomguy-fu2et 5 місяців тому +78

    "hey im watching in 2024" wtf I had a heart attack when you said that

  • @RichardGadsden
    @RichardGadsden Рік тому +269

    I really wish we could have seen Garry stay on long enough to play Magnus on his way up: Garry vs Magnus in 2010 or so would have been magical.

    • @princedavid5075
      @princedavid5075 Рік тому

      Nice

    • @patrickmadden6340
      @patrickmadden6340 7 місяців тому +3

      They played when Magnus was 13 to a draw

    • @user-bk9fk2tq2z
      @user-bk9fk2tq2z 6 місяців тому

      I think Magnus would've won. I think that Magnus is a better player than Garry.

    • @Pers.aryann
      @Pers.aryann 6 місяців тому +5

      ​@@user-bk9fk2tq2z but not with ease. They again played against each other in 2020, it ended up as draw... Magnus at his one of the best phase vs Garry at his one of the worst phase... They both are at same level but due to generation gap, Magnus is slightly better than Kasparov.

    • @shashishekhar----
      @shashishekhar---- 2 місяці тому

      ​@@user-bk9fk2tq2zAt their both absolute best Kasparov is better than Magnus

  • @furfox4099
    @furfox4099 3 роки тому +2820

    “I drew a treadmill”
    - Levi Rosman, International Master

    • @user-tb8lg5jo1u
      @user-tb8lg5jo1u 3 роки тому +79

      Is he a painter?

    • @smite327
      @smite327 3 роки тому +21

      @@user-tb8lg5jo1u yup

    • @PianoBoyLiam
      @PianoBoyLiam 2 роки тому +62

      It’s Levy Rozman, not Levi Rosman. But he is an IM, so you got that part right.

    • @cosmonut-fr
      @cosmonut-fr 2 роки тому +7

      @@PianoBoyLiam its Levy Rozman not rosman ok? Its better not to mess with anyone's name

    • @cosmonut-fr
      @cosmonut-fr 2 роки тому +24

      @@PianoBoyLiam sorry but i wanted to reply to the main comment, mistakenly replied urs hehe

  • @theTman423
    @theTman423 3 роки тому +5815

    For anyone interested in how the engines work:
    Brute force, used by Deep Blue and Stockfish alike, is simply just traversing a decision tree and evaluating every possible position with an evaluation function, or a mathematical equation that gives a score for each position. Stockfish is just able to do this a lot faster, because it does this with alpha-beta pruning, or skipping some branches of the decision tree because the score on others is high or low enough that it doesn’t need to evaluate every position. AlphaZero however, learns like a human by remembering patterns that lead to wins and storing them in something like a database to use for later. This is how it “learns” like a human does and seems to be more creative than other engines. It basically taught itself chess by playing against itself millions of times in order to build this database of moves. It’s a little more complicated than that, but those are the basics.

    • @sadenuttie2234
      @sadenuttie2234 3 роки тому +128

      Thanks

    • @hero3926
      @hero3926 3 роки тому +112

      Really wanted to like the comment but i prefer 69 likes. Nice

    • @aldoyudhistira5424
      @aldoyudhistira5424 3 роки тому +127

      You are wrong in some points, Stockfish are more human.
      Human didn't remember the position and play by memories, maybe they remember openings, but not for the middle game thinking.
      Human think like Stockfish, finding what way to win the game, evaluating if the move is good or not.

    • @adbon6279
      @adbon6279 3 роки тому +350

      ​@@aldoyudhistira5424Humans are more half and half and theres good saying that shows this, "Play the opening like a book, the middlegame like a magician, and the endgame like a machine". Humans in the endgame are like stockfish, they brute force calculate and remember winning scenarios, but in the middlegame, humans *need* to play intuitively. If your opponent is much weaker than you, then ofc you can just brute force it, but when youre of equal skill, esp at high levels of play, you arent going to out calculate your opponent, you need to be able to jsut understand and recognize winning patters through intuition, which is what AlphaZero does.

    • @aldoyudhistira5424
      @aldoyudhistira5424 3 роки тому +57

      @@adbon6279 alright, agree then.

  • @Tinil0
    @Tinil0 Рік тому +454

    Garry made the classic blunder that has been the downfall of countless powerful people; He underestimated his opponent. Trying to exploit the unique features of chess-playing computers was smart, and it mostly worked, but he put WAY too much confidence in his own understanding of how computers played and it backfired, he took lines he otherwise never would've taken just in an attempt to exploit their novelty and he paid for it when the computer didn't react as he expected it to.
    But I suppose he figured that the computer would have the advantage in positional play due to being able to calculate so far ahead and it was worth the risk? Even though there were games where his strong positional play won him the game?

    • @anastasiadudette706
      @anastasiadudette706 Рік тому +27

      Deep blue: "It's over Garry I have the advantage"
      Garry: "You underestimate my power."

    • @theangry0077
      @theangry0077 Рік тому +5

      id say that positional play would be better than tactical considering the limited depth, it wouldnt be like today’s stockfish which can see 25 moves into the future in seconds. however, even its limited depth would be enough to counter most tactics but probably wouldnt be enough to fully gauge how powerful positional play can be. just a theory tho

    • @vwlz8637
      @vwlz8637 Рік тому +2

      humans v machines of then be like "hehe this piece of trash thinks it can play better than me?"
      humans v machines of now be like "teach me, sensei"

    • @_qwerty_3545
      @_qwerty_3545 11 місяців тому +8

      I would actually completely argue against this. My info on the situation may not be entirely accurate, but in a documentary I watched, it made a point of detailing that deep blue after the first match was specifically trained to beat Kasparov. The AI used training data from a ton of Kasparov games so he’d know how to respond to Kasparovs normal moves. Since the AI knew all his moves, Kasparov switched up his tactics and had to play differently.
      Not to mention, Kasparov had every right to assume his tricks that had worked in previous matches would work as the only reason they didn’t was because in between matches the ai was actively being updated, taking out any bugs and the such so he had no real choice but to refind out what he could continue to exploit and what was no longer possible.
      Frankly I don’t see it as overconfidence at all, I actually see the opposite. I believe that all the constant changes to deep blue, the over serialized environment, and the inability to use his comfortable play style had given Kasparov a ton of anxiety causing him to play not at the top of his game, leading to his constant resignations and loss.

    • @bobbybalogne2565
      @bobbybalogne2565 Місяць тому

      He beat it multiple times wdym?

  • @Khazuki_
    @Khazuki_ 3 місяці тому +5

    30:55 Well, "Hey, I'm watching in 2024."

  • @youtubeviolatedme7123
    @youtubeviolatedme7123 3 роки тому +1384

    Player: *breathes*
    Levy: "clearly, they are familiar with the Gothamchess video on effective breathing during chess"

  • @stefanmirea5305
    @stefanmirea5305 3 роки тому +924

    "There is a treadmill out there that plays better chess than you" sounds like the worst insult you can ever hear

    • @therranolleo468
      @therranolleo468 3 роки тому +30

      that's some Ramsey level insult right there

  • @picapow6959
    @picapow6959 Рік тому +66

    It’s not “2024” but it is indeed 2022, almost 2023. Excited to see how your channel evolves :)

  • @ross-spencer
    @ross-spencer Рік тому +10

    Gary's instincts in the first series after that first loss seems to be to think like a computer until he's able to add his own flourishes, this is pretty amazing to see.

  • @zahawolfe
    @zahawolfe 3 роки тому +1621

    “I drew a treadmill” is hilarious

    • @jaydenp3078
      @jaydenp3078 3 роки тому +4

      timestamp?

    • @kekaci
      @kekaci 3 роки тому +17

      @@jaydenp3078 30:34

    • @ekiM2K
      @ekiM2K 3 роки тому +30

      @@jaydenp3078 30:11 for context

    • @marcuspoosz2190
      @marcuspoosz2190 3 роки тому +4

      i once drew a wolf. suprisingly i didn't get eaten for dinner

    • @SteveInLava
      @SteveInLava 2 роки тому

      @@marcuspoosz2190 you drew a wolf in a fight? In that case you'd both be dead

  • @DanielPetri
    @DanielPetri 3 роки тому +3685

    This was fascinating to watch with modern engines in mind, thanks for taking the time to research all of that Levy!

    • @vycthorjhonson6624
      @vycthorjhonson6624 3 роки тому +7

      Não esperava vc por aqui

    • @mlgklipz2543
      @mlgklipz2543 3 роки тому +6

      @@vycthorjhonson6624 no

    • @roycbiv
      @roycbiv 3 роки тому +3

      Thank you for suggesting it!

    • @wyleFTW
      @wyleFTW 2 роки тому +1

      When he's like "my computer is still debating a draw in this position" DUDE YOUR COMPUTER IS LIKE 30 YEARS MORE ADVANCED, I understand kasparovs frustration more lol

    • @ricksouza9299
      @ricksouza9299 2 роки тому

      boa corno

  • @christobita8038
    @christobita8038 Рік тому +11

    I'm watching 8 days before Christmas 2022. I'm not even big on Chess, I just loved your personality when I saw you on Lex's podcast.

  • @isabellam1936
    @isabellam1936 Рік тому +10

    I would love to see a remake of this video putting on the evaluation bar. It would be fascinating to see what Stockfish thinks about all these old computer engine moves and Garry’s moves.

  • @FakerUp
    @FakerUp 3 роки тому +3523

    I am not stronger than Deep Blue
    You are not stronger than Deep Blue
    He is stronger than Deep Blue

    • @edoardoprevelato6577
      @edoardoprevelato6577 3 роки тому +282

      Yeah, but nowadays nobody can beat AlphaZero. Carlsen has been begged to play it countless times but never accepted because it would only result in him losing.

    • @prohz9129
      @prohz9129 3 роки тому +142

      @@edoardoprevelato6577
      Not playing an engine because you’re going to lose?
      It’s not like you’re going to lose rating right?

    • @charles-492
      @charles-492 3 роки тому +67

      Deep Blue is not stronger than Deep Blue

    • @Anoyzify
      @Anoyzify 3 роки тому +277

      @@prohz9129 because it’s pointless. He can’t win his smartphone chess app, nevermind alpha zero.

    • @exodusdonley77
      @exodusdonley77 3 роки тому +145

      @@prohz9129 If you go into a game knowing you're 100 percent not only going to lose but be embarrassed at the same time, the only thing that will come of it is frustration and a potential loss of dignity. In other words, it would be stupid to. Would you personally do it in his place, for the entire world to analyze?

  • @jacokyle0160
    @jacokyle0160 3 роки тому +641

    Gary Chess vs. the Fax machine. Truly a legendary battle

    • @valguthcsongor5263
      @valguthcsongor5263 3 роки тому +2

      Was it really that hard to spell Garry right?

    • @joshuacheung1066
      @joshuacheung1066 3 роки тому +31

      @@valguthcsongor5263 it’s a fucking joke you nonce

    • @shaicontrol
      @shaicontrol 3 роки тому +52

      @@valguthcsongor5263 no his name is Gary Chess and he invented Chess in the 90’s

    • @vez3834
      @vez3834 3 роки тому +10

      @@valguthcsongor5263 Good thing he spelled Kasparov correctly

    • @ari3903
      @ari3903 3 роки тому +4

      @@valguthcsongor5263 You spent Gary wrong, do your homework before you correct people. His real name is "Gary Chess", he was a close friend of the famous biologist Zangiuli L. and his biggest achievement was inventing chess.

  • @constantinedelvecchio7110
    @constantinedelvecchio7110 3 місяці тому +3

    Watching in 2024 :)
    Loved it

  • @tauriqobrien7869
    @tauriqobrien7869 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video - It's Aug 2022 and I seeing this for the 1st time! I heard about Garry Kasparov vs Deep blue when I was in high school. Never thought I could actually "see" the matches. Thanks for sharing

  • @anrel_
    @anrel_ 3 роки тому +700

    I love how genuinely he delivered the line "I drew a treadmill."

    • @ZDTF
      @ZDTF 2 місяці тому

      Hey pretty lady!

  • @mathsolympiadtrainer
    @mathsolympiadtrainer 3 роки тому +1309

    Levy not wearing a hoodie is a rare sight...

    • @hamdanalameri2885
      @hamdanalameri2885 3 роки тому +6

      RIP LEVY

    • @noammosek1319
      @noammosek1319 3 роки тому +11

      He isn't honouring the hoodie guy

    • @marinzovko3258
      @marinzovko3258 3 роки тому +25

      Gary is playing Deep Blue. His shirt is a deep blue color. Coincidence? I think not.

    • @TheDecree93
      @TheDecree93 3 роки тому +3

      It’s a shiny Levy

    • @katana7186
      @katana7186 3 роки тому

      @@TheDecree93 yes the regular levy is pink hoodie

  • @TeamDman
    @TeamDman 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for your content, I found your UA-cam reels after getting into chess from chesssimp's content. You have such a great personality and bring so much enthusiasm that makes it so fun to watch. The engine related stuff is very interesting to me as a cs grad. Watching in Summer 2022 :D

  • @Arkanian-
    @Arkanian- 2 роки тому +5

    The first game is the Fatui against Celestia

    • @benni893
      @benni893 2 роки тому

      Battle for humanity, indeed

  • @Dog3D
    @Dog3D 3 роки тому +683

    "you cannot capture your own pieces"
    *surprised Pikachu face*

    • @KhallDrake
      @KhallDrake 3 роки тому +22

      The USA with drones in Afghanistan: Hold my beer!

    • @Smitology
      @Smitology 3 роки тому +30

      chess: friendly fire on

    • @Icy-ll5ie
      @Icy-ll5ie 3 роки тому +2

      @@Smitology WHERE'S MY LASAGNA JOHN?

    • @austinfletchermusic
      @austinfletchermusic 2 роки тому +4

      Would be kind of cool if you could as long as you couldn't be forced to. Imagine the SuperGM self-sacs

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 2 роки тому

      there's a variant which allows you to do so

  • @Sponetics
    @Sponetics 3 роки тому +740

    Levy we love you please dont die of sleep deprivation

  • @iggles8
    @iggles8 Рік тому +10

    "A treadmill. I drew a treadmill." hahahahaha

  • @wealthyllama6570
    @wealthyllama6570 Рік тому +26

    "When you or I push 3 pawns of opposite sides of the board, we look stupid. When Garry does it, he's y'know, trying to beat a computer."
    S+ tier quote.

  • @gray_gogy
    @gray_gogy 3 роки тому +768

    Imagine the fear in the software engineer sitting across from Kasparov

    • @Nolaris3
      @Nolaris3 2 роки тому +275

      Funny story was that after Kasparov resigned Game 1 he asked the engineer what he could have done better and the engineer was like "uhhhhh..."

    • @VoidLantadd
      @VoidLantadd Рік тому +67

      @@Nolaris3 like a 400 hiding behind stockfish beating a good player online today

    • @vwlz8637
      @vwlz8637 Рік тому +1

      @@VoidLantadd except he made a fucking chess engine in the 1990s so definitely several magnitudes of IQ higher than ur average cheater

  • @Mdude123456789
    @Mdude123456789 3 роки тому +353

    "Every Time I Lose Against This Treadmill It Speeds Up" sounds like a video I'd watch

  • @maxwellmondo4857
    @maxwellmondo4857 2 роки тому +4

    12:10 when Garry puts all of his pawns on dark squares, it’s called “spatial dominance,” when I do it, it’s called “light square weakness” or “mate in two” (whatever that means)

  • @shutton
    @shutton 2 роки тому

    Hey! I'm watching in September 2021. loving the leela and stockfish content, really hoping you make more of that. and you are awesome too, dont stop being awesome gotham.

  • @sudarsankunde4862
    @sudarsankunde4862 3 роки тому +594

    Levy uploads quicker than how quickly I blunder my queen.

    • @darkagedrifter
      @darkagedrifter 3 роки тому +23

      As a guy that blundered his queen early on in a Scandinavian Defense against the 700 bot because I didn't feel like using my brain on Nelson or whoever the 1500 bot is, I felt this much more than I should.

    • @luayabuhani2004
      @luayabuhani2004 3 роки тому

      We guess your comment deserves to be pin ..pin of shame chain

    • @sadmanpranto9026
      @sadmanpranto9026 3 роки тому +1

      I am a 300 player, i sacrifice queen to take a pawn...

    • @InTrancedState
      @InTrancedState 3 роки тому

      Youre gay

    • @raphaelpalmeira4472
      @raphaelpalmeira4472 3 роки тому +2

      and even more quickly than how I finish on my queen 😏

  • @filipporosatti6243
    @filipporosatti6243 3 роки тому +775

    *Mandatory comment to thank Levy for his insane upload schedule*

    • @bryansanchez8158
      @bryansanchez8158 3 роки тому +12

      Mandator reply saying something stupid
      Cripple glasses man

    • @guccigang6984
      @guccigang6984 3 роки тому +2

      Thank you Levy‼️‼️

    • @lugh6982
      @lugh6982 3 роки тому +3

      HEYYY, HE DID YOUR SUGGESTIONNN

    • @jtplays193
      @jtplays193 3 роки тому

      *insert mandatory comment here*

  • @michaelcaron5756
    @michaelcaron5756 2 роки тому +1

    Watching oct 3 2021 and you’ve def covered some high level chess computer games at this point! Love the channel!

  • @diegorocha2186
    @diegorocha2186 2 роки тому

    Fantastic! Much better than many content on netflix!! Amazing the way you told the story! Thanks!

  • @idnbbeatbox
    @idnbbeatbox 3 роки тому +304

    “I drew a treadmill” - Levi

  • @KKSportsKKS
    @KKSportsKKS 3 роки тому +218

    When I went to bed. Levy uploaded. I just woke up. Levy uploaded again. Legend.

  • @Noodlezz95
    @Noodlezz95 Рік тому

    hey levy I went back to this video bc I wanted to see the analysis for these games again, and I must say, I kinda miss this kind of videos. I also like what you do right now though, I don't want you to change, but you know, it's nice to see how much channel can change in just a year

  • @Shockprowl
    @Shockprowl Рік тому +2

    Your historical deep-dives are really quite excellent. I haven't seen UA-cam chess videos like this before. It's a really clever format of covering the entire 'event' in question, giving a commentary on the over-arching events, and nipping through some of the most important games. A superb format, and very informative. Thank you.

  • @pinicius
    @pinicius 3 роки тому +642

    When I heard "brute force" I realised that Kasparov was a genius. He went for the long game because there is too much to compute when you are in the endgame. That's why he only "improve his position". To get a better (and harder) position for the computer analyse. It was not a battle of chess. It was a computation stress test with chess envolved.
    Modern chess engines are so hard to beat because the computer no longer computes everything like back then. It does not have to. It learns moves, positions and strategies like we do, just faster and in bigger volume.
    Great video.

    • @fos1451
      @fos1451 2 роки тому +23

      Stockfish still use brute force, I don’t know what you’re talking about

    • @somebodyuknow2507
      @somebodyuknow2507 2 роки тому +121

      @@fos1451 Stockfish uses a much smarter brute force - it doesn’t check literally every possible line, it’s much better at saving computational power by only checking the best lines (this is called alpha beta pruning). This comes with the consequence that it still can’t solve some niche positions where a sacrifice has really long term benefits

    • @shmockette7158
      @shmockette7158 2 роки тому +11

      @@somebodyuknow2507 Didnt deep blue do this too? It's mostly just a difference of computing power.

    • @gayusschwulius8490
      @gayusschwulius8490 2 роки тому +9

      @@somebodyuknow2507 Move pruning has been in use since the late 70s. Algorithms have gotten better, yes, but the essential approach is still exactly the same. The only thing not "brute force" about modern stockfish (since 2020) is it's evaluation function (so the function that determines the final value of a position at the end of a tree branch). It uses machine learning, but that's it.

    • @DoubleCDOT
      @DoubleCDOT Рік тому

      Me

  • @mrgambit5504
    @mrgambit5504 3 роки тому +223

    2021: Garry Kasparov vs. Dewa Kipas

    • @truthseeker1934
      @truthseeker1934 3 роки тому +11

      2022: AlphaGo Chess Edition vs Dewa Kipas

    • @mingozzz1
      @mingozzz1 3 роки тому +1

      Hahahaha this is golden

    • @mingozzz1
      @mingozzz1 3 роки тому +9

      For 7000 dollars

    • @hokray
      @hokray 3 роки тому +1

      He was probably using the 🐟

  • @gastonsosa5261
    @gastonsosa5261 11 місяців тому +4

    from 2023, still waiting for that video

  • @user-ki7ud2mk8h
    @user-ki7ud2mk8h Рік тому +2

    A treadmill can beat me at chess, but I can outrun a chess program.

  • @moustafa_1994
    @moustafa_1994 3 роки тому +159

    "But nowadays a computer like deep blue can get defeated by a refrigerator" lololololol

    • @noobiamyes4853
      @noobiamyes4853 3 роки тому +4

      Its true modern hand held calculators have more computing power then a room full of computers like 60yrs ago

    • @killerbug05
      @killerbug05 3 роки тому +8

      @@noobiamyes4853 the 1990s weren't 60 years ago, I hope you know that

    • @noobiamyes4853
      @noobiamyes4853 3 роки тому +7

      @@killerbug05 computers were invented in ww2

    • @killerbug05
      @killerbug05 3 роки тому +4

      @@noobiamyes4853 fuck you on about bro?

    • @noobiamyes4853
      @noobiamyes4853 3 роки тому +9

      @@vinaylalwani im not talking about strictly chess like 60 yrs ago they had rooms stuffed with computers has less proccesing power then a calculator

  • @saksxmusic
    @saksxmusic 3 роки тому +271

    the last time i was this early Levy wasn't playing competitively

    • @gordonramsdale
      @gordonramsdale 3 роки тому +4

      He still isn't I mean it isn't a preference where the classification is instant, he is going to be competing but not yet so technically he isnt competing

    • @nado7592
      @nado7592 3 роки тому +4

      @@gordonramsdale stfu

    • @nado7592
      @nado7592 3 роки тому

      @Nate Bekin I’m not talking about what he said, I’m just getting annoyed at his broken English, if you’re gonna troll somebody at least learn how to speak.

    • @theblinkingbrownie4654
      @theblinkingbrownie4654 3 роки тому +7

      @@nado7592 If you got annoyed by their broken English you got trolled lmao, they did their job perfectly

    • @nado7592
      @nado7592 3 роки тому

      @@theblinkingbrownie4654 you do realise that he is 100% being serious, but hes just an idiot and bad at english?

  • @carvingtheway
    @carvingtheway Рік тому

    Much appreciated bro... Ur vids r very informative and awesomely fun to watch.... 💯🥂

  • @chubbeebunnee1708
    @chubbeebunnee1708 5 місяців тому +16

    hey i'm watching in 2024

  • @alienrenders
    @alienrenders 2 роки тому +129

    I remember watching these games live at work. Seemed like you had to wait forever for a move. And then several times, the web site would crash and you'd have to go on usenet to find the next move. Everyone was using Fritz to analyze the games. But you needed a fast computer. I remember there being talk about one game that Kasparov resigned which was not lost (forget if he could have drawn or won). I think it was in the rematch. The rematch was really weird. Kasparov was acting very paranoid. He was trying to get the computer out of opening book instead of playing chess. He lobbed accusations on nearly every move. It didn't send a good vibe. It was almost as if Kasparov knew he was going to lose. It was a big moment when Deep Blue won because people were asking what the future of chess was. Would people still play? It signified a new era where computers were officially better players than humans. This scared a lot of people. Not for chess. But in what would come next.

  • @vjbragae
    @vjbragae 3 роки тому +285

    Next video: The Day I Play Against a Treadmill

  • @michaelsmith6094
    @michaelsmith6094 Рік тому

    April 2023 now. I'm going to look for more of your videos about computer chess. Love your explanations and insights!

  • @obmarte3803
    @obmarte3803 Рік тому +11

    So what I learned from this... treadmills are terrifying 😳

  • @nks2405
    @nks2405 3 роки тому +246

    “It’s ugly but it does the job”
    -Levy Rozman 2021

  • @gaspytheghost
    @gaspytheghost 3 роки тому +296

    30:35 "I drew a treadmill"
    Just think about that for a moment

    • @rodrigornovaes
      @rodrigornovaes 3 роки тому +4

      It depresses me and makes me want to quit chess, I mean, why bother?

    • @mohammadfletcher5312
      @mohammadfletcher5312 3 роки тому

      @@rodrigornovaes you should play chess only because you want to

    • @desmonides
      @desmonides 3 роки тому +1

      Gotta get dem laps in

  • @noahjorgensen586
    @noahjorgensen586 2 роки тому +1

    Love these historical events in chess. Great storytelling!

  • @Jcyw25
    @Jcyw25 6 місяців тому +4

    Hey I'm watching in 2024 omg

  • @lex4302
    @lex4302 3 роки тому +213

    Levy, please do more on these types of games vs engines. They're fascinating! Particularly the overall history and timeline where, after 2006, they effectively stopped scheduling matches because the computers were too strong

    • @mujtabaalam5907
      @mujtabaalam5907 2 роки тому +11

      What's the last serious official human vs computer game?

    • @abyssmage6979
      @abyssmage6979 Рік тому +54

      @@mujtabaalam5907 hans niemann vs magnus carlsen

    • @mujtabaalam5907
      @mujtabaalam5907 Рік тому +3

      @@abyssmage6979 Normally that joke would be funny, but Chess youtubers have accelerated things and "Hans Niemann cheated against Magnus" jokes are already unfunny

    • @imperatormaximus8952
      @imperatormaximus8952 Рік тому +6

      @@mujtabaalam5907 I know I'm late, but I think Kramnik vs Deep Fritz 2006 might be it.

  • @kevinhansen9258
    @kevinhansen9258 3 роки тому +81

    Absolutely love how Levy interacts with his viewers literally saw a comment on his last vid wanting him to do a vid on gary vs deep blue and thought that would be cool and now here it is🙂

    • @davidphalen9239
      @davidphalen9239 3 роки тому +4

      So sick I saw that comment too

    • @HondaMan0
      @HondaMan0 3 роки тому +2

      It was the Garry Kasparov vs kid Magnus Carlsen

    • @DanielPetri
      @DanielPetri 3 роки тому +1

      Yes I was about to thank Levy, it's the second time he takes my suggestion! :) Funny you noticed haha!

    • @ianmoore5502
      @ianmoore5502 3 роки тому

      @@davidphalen9239 yesss gang gang

    • @scoutbane1651
      @scoutbane1651 3 роки тому

      Yep same, really glad to see this video

  • @arvin4856
    @arvin4856 Рік тому +3

    “you cannot take you’re own pieces” chatgpt thinks otherwise

  • @Chippoka
    @Chippoka 2 роки тому

    I enjoyed your narration/commentary on this 😃

  • @oblivion.4274
    @oblivion.4274 3 роки тому +557

    Deep blue: You can't beat me
    Me: I know, but he can
    *Garry Kasparov*

    • @remarkgulane3851
      @remarkgulane3851 3 роки тому +9

      Magnus can😂

    • @fheenicks
      @fheenicks 2 роки тому

      @@remarkgulane3851 big can

    • @SneakyDrizzle
      @SneakyDrizzle 2 роки тому +8

      @Simone Miglioli He won the first time but lost the second time, that calls for a third time.

    • @saripdol1943
      @saripdol1943 2 роки тому +3

      Kasparov lose the rematch though ..such a shame coz the much anticipated 3rd rematch never took place and it affected Kasparov quite a bit i think so lol

    • @coomerlad3293
      @coomerlad3293 2 роки тому +8

      I know but he can: treadmill

  • @alexheffron3963
    @alexheffron3963 3 роки тому +82

    The fact that Levy drops these UFC fighters names as analogies makes him my favorite chess UA-camr

  • @brysonstevens1431
    @brysonstevens1431 2 роки тому +1

    These long term drag out games are so beautiful to watch.

  • @briankarcher8338
    @briankarcher8338 2 роки тому +2

    Even to this day it's a sight to see the greatest player of the time lose in such a brutal way like that last game. It was ruthless.

  • @Low_Marine
    @Low_Marine 3 роки тому +69

    yo yo yo wait up is that man wearing a " Deep Blue " shirt ? Levi u beauty

  • @pschneider1968
    @pschneider1968 3 роки тому +56

    "I drew a treadmill"
    Wait until you get beaten up by your coffee maker...

  • @honzidlo3937
    @honzidlo3937 Рік тому +1

    February 2023 and I love watching the legendary chess engine beat the world champion for the first time. It is also very interesting how chess engines work now vs before

  • @Alsadius
    @Alsadius Рік тому +1

    That last game in 1996, and Kasparov suffocating the enemy play, reminds me a lot of your discussion of how AlphaZero plays. Interesting to see these themes echo.

  • @notapplicable7292
    @notapplicable7292 3 роки тому +240

    "I drew a treadmill" that line is an absolute classic

  • @sumwon6973
    @sumwon6973 3 роки тому +50

    This really just shows how amazing Gary Kasparov that he almost beat a computer of this caliber, and probably would have won the match if he understood this computer‘s play better

    • @s.s7337
      @s.s7337 Рік тому

      He did win the second game

  • @longshotny
    @longshotny 2 роки тому +1

    Very well done and entertaining 🔥 salute ‼️

  • @telli5868
    @telli5868 Рік тому +3

    « I drew a treadmill » is gold

  • @drunkenhobo8020
    @drunkenhobo8020 3 роки тому +40

    If anyone hasn't watched the Fredrik Knudsen video on the background to these games then set aside a spare 2 hours to watch the most wild chess tale you could imagine.

    • @fort809
      @fort809 3 роки тому +5

      The story about Kasparov’s mother yelling at him from the audience when he accused the computer of cheating is amazing

  • @richardforshaw7883
    @richardforshaw7883 3 роки тому +75

    Love the content Levy. I can recommend reading Kasparov's book "Deep Thinking" which explores the two Deep Blue matches (and the complete change in attitudes for the rematch) as well as a general history of chess computers and thoughts on intelligent machines. Very interesting. Apparently the day after game 2 in 1997, Garry's team discovered that he didn't need to resign....

  • @izainonline
    @izainonline 5 місяців тому

    Thanks for making my desired video what I was looking❤

  • @bishalguitar9717
    @bishalguitar9717 6 місяців тому

    Sammy bro u did a great commentary.....i learn many more from ur channel ....thanks sammy brother.....

  • @matteoprojetto1587
    @matteoprojetto1587 3 роки тому +152

    Day 43 of translating the title in Italian: "Garry Kasparov contro Deep Blue: la battaglia per l'umanità".

    • @IlSigPin
      @IlSigPin 3 роки тому +5

      Mi fai morire, sei su ogni video ahah

    • @tronquitoanimations2882
      @tronquitoanimations2882 3 роки тому +15

      @@IlSigPin day 3 of translating the title in spanish in comments about translating the title "Garry Kasparov contra Deep Blue: la batalla de ajedrez por la Humanidad
      "

    • @maxencepalin-riot1161
      @maxencepalin-riot1161 3 роки тому +7

      "Garry Kasparov contre Deep Blue: la bataille pour l'humanité"

    • @Pedro-op6zj
      @Pedro-op6zj 3 роки тому +1

      @@tronquitoanimations2882 day 1 of translating the title in portuguese in comments about translating the title to spanish in comments about translating the title to italian. "Garry Kasparov contra Deep Blue: a batalha de xadrez pela humanidade".

    • @goldeer7129
      @goldeer7129 3 роки тому

      @@Pedro-op6zj day 1 of translating the title in french in comments about translating the title to portuguese in comments about translating the title to spanish in comments about translating the title in italian. "Garry Kasparov contre Deep Blue: La bataille d'échec pour l'humanité"

  • @Vtari
    @Vtari 3 роки тому +97

    Funny how back then you could accuse an enigne for cheating by a human brain

  • @stephengunnell5048
    @stephengunnell5048 Рік тому +10

    This is late 2022 and interestingly while Deep Blue was a brute force machine the method that it used to create the values it used to evaluate positions and piece exchanges is very similar to the way neural nets train. What has happened since then is to abandon a pre-conceived notion of how a position should be evaluated and then with programs like Alpha Zero to ignore existing games and to let the program learn from first principals by itself. Reading the description of Stockfish it looks more like Deep Blue than Alpha Zero but Stockfish NNUE could be Alpha Zero equivalent.

  • @baritonamekian3639
    @baritonamekian3639 Рік тому +1

    Hugely monumental moment in Chess history, always a pleasure to revisit this video. Here's to 2023 y'all

  • @Chepperz
    @Chepperz 3 роки тому +43

    "When you or I push 3 pawns on both sides, we look stupid when Garry does it.." omg 😂😂😂

  • @kanmeo
    @kanmeo 3 роки тому +28

    For the uninitiated (a very simplified explanation):
    The principle by which the deep blue "AI" was built was mostly a combination of brute force calculation and pruning. Brute force means that you test every possible combination to a certain depth of moves and determine which move combination guarantees the best outcome. Pruning you could describe as more intelligent brute force, where you don't evaluate moves that you know beforehand are going to be bad.
    What makes the alpha zero AI at the same time both less computationally intensive and so much better is that it does not hard force any solution like deep blue does, instead it is built using a so called "neural net" which most modern AI is based upon. The engine basically has a lot of parameters built in, and then it plays against itself and other AI's and adjusts each parameter each match it plays, so it basically learns pretty much like a human would without access to books or the internet, through trial and error

    • @MorbiusBlueBalls
      @MorbiusBlueBalls 2 роки тому +1

      thank you for this info kind stranger

    • @kowikowi8718
      @kowikowi8718 Рік тому

      So maybe getting your room pawns Out First ist the best move cause of peuning Alpha Zero didnt even considers IT?! Wow

  • @rilesf4067
    @rilesf4067 Рік тому +1

    “You cannot capture your own pieces” - Gotham
    Chat gpt - “You dare question me!?”

  • @AfricanLionBat
    @AfricanLionBat Рік тому

    Watching in February 2023. I was never into board games and especially not chess but watching your content has changed that for me. I never imagined I would be interested in chess but I appreciate you opening my mind to it.

  • @AstraIVagabond
    @AstraIVagabond 3 роки тому +39

    The look of anxiety on Levy's face when he tells the treadmill story. Are we in an early stage sci-fi dystopia?

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 3 роки тому +5

      Sometimes I consider it. All it takes is some faulty programming or a virus, and all the sudden, a bunch of our military gear starts targeting anything with a heat signature. Like... Us.

    • @RoyalFusilier
      @RoyalFusilier 2 роки тому

      I have talked with friends and we basically agree that we're in Early Cyberpunk already. We don't have the coolest aesthetic nailed down, but all essential elements are in place.

  • @roen04
    @roen04 3 роки тому +8

    Thank you for analyzing these games, Levi. I was only a young lad,10 yrs old when they played. I didn't have easy access to view it then, and since then it has slipped my mind to actually look the matches up and break the matches down move-for-move. I appreciate your insight and work for Gotham!

  • @cschenonep
    @cschenonep 2 роки тому +3

    Hi Levy, it would be awesome to have the current Magnus play against the 1997 Deep Blue computer!

  • @GlasVader
    @GlasVader 4 місяці тому +2

    Hey. I'm watching in 2024. Still couldn't beat a treadmill.

  • @michielvos6981
    @michielvos6981 3 роки тому +17

    Awesome review, thanks. Well framed in the context of 1997. I remember that match, and being both a chess player and a software engineer I didn’t know who to cheer for. We were shocked to see Kasparov switching to closed play to beat Deep Blue.

  • @user-mt2jm7vy6i
    @user-mt2jm7vy6i 3 роки тому +44

    As a stockfish developer would be interesting to have some videos about chess engines :)
    I find it fascinating how simple yet extremely effective engine algorithms are.

  • @Sahilow
    @Sahilow 7 місяців тому +1

    I’m watching in 2024 and happy Easter to you old Gotham😊

  • @yu_me_gotlost
    @yu_me_gotlost 3 місяці тому +1

    I was caught off-guard by Levy saying you might be watching in 2024, still a great video 3 years later

  • @Sponetics
    @Sponetics 3 роки тому +49

    Last time I was this early, I didn't know how to play chess.

  • @SneeeSnarrr
    @SneeeSnarrr 3 роки тому +5

    Yo thank you for taking the time to make the segments on the timeline for the youtube videos!

  • @PMA65537
    @PMA65537 Рік тому +20

    29:55 Brute Force has never been a computing approach for chess (except for situations with a reduced number of options such as only 7 pieces remaining) because Brute Force means trying every option till the whole decision tree has been examined. That's way too much computation. Instead a decision tree would be started (breadth first, not depth first) and it would be "pruned" that is lines that ;look less promising would be ignored. In this way the computation would be reduced to what was bearable .. and greater coverage became possible with faster computers. Also evaluation of positions(with attack counting arguments) leads to preference between positions without exploring them all the way to the end of the game. Those ways of departing from Brute Force have been around long before Machine Learning was involved.

    • @slumz12
      @slumz12 Рік тому

      What's ur chess rating? 500? Stop talking

    • @kingol4801
      @kingol4801 Рік тому

      @@slumz12 ?
      Knowing how AI works and knowing how to play chess are completely different fields of expertise, and despite then having some limited degree of overlap, that is not a strict correlation….
      You very own attempt at criticism (not based on the arguments themselves) only discloses more about your ignorance than anything else.
      As well as the lack of knowledge. That guy is wrong at a few lines, but you are too dumb to even notice that, and ended up resorting to falling to the most basic logical fallacy - discrediting one’s character flaws (and not their thought process) in order to win an argument, when any other pathway to criticism is out of your reach.
      Must be fun putting other people down for no reason or merit and not being called down for it…
      You are disgrace to humanity. Complete monkey that throws their own filth at people and laughs at their expense, whereas, in the end, the filth’s origin was always exclusive to the likes of you.

  • @lemonadata5645
    @lemonadata5645 Рік тому +1

    Watching in January 2023, and I gotta tell you that chess is booming like crazy. Everyone startted playing chess for no reason. Pretty good time to start playing chess, dont'cha think.