Did Duramax Diesel Owners Catch Emissions Cheating Through Defeat Devices?
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Publisher Tim Esterdahl has the details on a class-action lawsuit alleging GM lied to Duramax Diesel Owners over the emissions coming out of their trucks.
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Here is the link to the lawsuit with instructions if people want to join: www.hbsslaw.com/cases/chevy-silverado-emissions
The epa is so worried about these small diesel engines but can care less about private jets and mega yachts that’s how you know it’s all bs
Have you seen some of the locomotives….the odd one is absolutely spewing out tons of black smoke forever.
DEF is a joke. They should go back to preemission standards. They were more reliable and got better fuel economy.
And fuck everyone who has to breathe in the NOx?
How about we compromise… you can run straight pipes but you must take home the emissions and keep them on your property.
Better fuel economy, more reliable, longer life, less trash (DEF containers), less emissions making and transportation of DEF, etc. the whole thing is a scam, you’ll never convince me it’s now.
@@Bpf1893
Back to rolling coal? Diesel is a joke period. They don't make sense any longer. Unless you tow more than 15,000 lbs , you are better off with gasoline.
It’s a Lawyer trying to get money. The previous court already said this was not a case when they looked into it. They are trying to just mix the Duramax in with the other diesels that did cheat. Let it go!
It's always lawyers hoping to find a few affected parties so that they can file a case like this and make bank. The only winners are the lawyers.
HBSS has made hundreds of millions of dollars suing manufacturers over diesel truck emissions. Same firm that sued FCA over ecodiesel emissions.
Ask yourself when was the last time you trusted anything this Government said ? Perhaps it's the EPA moving the goalposts ?
Sounds like we have too many lawyers.
Imagine suing because your 3500 isn't as "carbon friendly" as you'd like.... such creedy bs
If GM came out and announced that because of this lawsuit they are suspending all production and sales of Deisel trucks in the USA, this lawsuit would vanish into thin air.
all the emission problems goes away when you delete the epa
So how did GM cheat a test that the EPA wasn't even testing for? If the EPA doesn't like the results, they should revise their testing protocol.
Sounds like a lawyer just looking for a cash grab.
When the EPA stomps on a vehicle manufacturer for violation of emissions regs, and forces the manufacturer to change the emissions systems to the point where performance is degreased, THE CONSUMER is the looser. The consumer paid for a functional and compliant vehicle and ends up with one that has poorer performance. YES, THE CONSUMER IS AN AFFECTED PARTY in the end and should be able to sue.
A dealer has A CONFLICT OF INTEREST when it comes to suing the manufacturer. It’s ridiculous to say only the dealer can sue.
Well that made no sense. If the lawsuit against GM was thrown out, Diselgate should have been thrown out. Both were started by after dealership testing.
The difference is the Department of Justice went after VW.
I wish my Duramax didn't have this emission crap. Feel like this is a scam to get them selves paid.
In the words of the late great Smokey Yunick, it's "bending the rules, not cheating".
Great video, Tim. I agree with a number of viewers they just built to the test in order to be more clean the test needs to change. But, to think diesel-powered vehicles are less polluting is naive at best
The EPA “might” allow the trucks in question to go over the NoX limit at certain times of the drive cycle anyway. It’s government speak, but it’s something like engine equipment protection strategies, that allow for them to exceed the limits as long as the software routines are disclosed ahead of time. As I understand it, that’s kind of where Cummins fines and argument comes from, their argument was their “defeat devices” were part of the permissible protections allowed by EPA regulations. Cummins didn’t adequately explain or disclose all of their “protective strategies” & they became “defeat devices”.
Also, I believe there was a period of time when the sensor for monitoring NoX at the exit of the SCR wasn’t available or maybe limited availability, that’s where the less accurate form of NoX control came from on the earlier trucks.
So what they're saying is it's really the epa's fault because all these companies were abiding by their testing standards. Had the EPA wanted real world testing they would have made that their standard. Now they get to come back and say Cummins you owe us billions GM. You owe us billions and everybody else too. It's ridiculous. I don't even own a diesel but The EPA and the push to get EVS on the road and to get gas and diesels off the road just makes me sick
Don't ask, don't tell.
I thought all diesel pickup trucks have been cheating emissions by having a vented exhaust pipe that mixes air with the exhaust to dilute the emissions measured at the exhaust tip. Trucks with gas engines don't have the vented exhaust that are standard on diesel trucks.
Former Automotive engineer: that pipe is to try cool the exhaust especially during regen to prevent the truck from melting the bumper of the prius that dare to get close to the truck.
Full delete!
The fact is there is no such thing as clean diesel and there never has been. I am not anti-diesel, it's just the writing is on the wall. If anything I am anti-EPA. They are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. The fact is their interests aren't in cars or consumers at all, it's with food companies. So this is just a distraction. The only reason 'clean' diesel even in Europe has ever been a thing is bc engineering has always found a way to 'align' with standards or find loopholes with varying levels of integrity. Not knocking any sides here.. bc the same can be said for lots of types of standards, etc. Just saying.
It isn't comparable to the VW scandal. As I understand it, VW's emissions controls ONLY worked when they detected a test scenario. GMs work all the time. As noted, there is a formula that determines how much DEF is added based on circumstances. To expect the truck to meet emissions standards under all circumstances is absurd and may not even be possible without crippling it. For example, when towing heavy, or on a grade, or full throttle vs. gentle throttle, you can't expect a dynamic system to always meet a standard specifically calibrated for OTHER conditions. Temperature, humidity, elevation, and many, many other factors will determine how an engine performs. Can you imagine going down a mountain pass w/the engine brake fully engaged and then the engine turning off or disallowing engine braking due to being over the emissions limit?! That is a way to kill people.
Kizashi…one of the nicest looking cars designed in recent memory
If the government is going to force us to have emissions, then they need to warranty it for the life of the truck. Also, emissions laws should be state level, not federal. Let CA have DEF, and the states that use diesel to actually work not.
This is the same thing VW did. They were designed to pass the EPA tests but operate differently when not being tested.
This is different. VW had software in place that would alter engine parameters when being tested.
GM isn't alternating how the engine operates, it's passing the requirements the EPA has in place. It's only during a specific condition where nox levels become elevated, a condition the EPA isn't testing for.
The EPA needs to revise their testing protocol if they think GM is trying to cheat.
Diesels are dead with the exception of HD trucks. It's over. EPA standards are impossible for them.
Tim have you by chance watched a UA-camr call Butter Da Insider ? About the new Ram 1500 trucks and comments by those who build them ? Interesting watch.
I don't think they did - the engines meet the EPA criteria during normal cruising/operation of the engine. It only goes below requirements during loads and startup - which every gas engine does. Feels like some sour apples from people who think they paid too much for a fleet of HD 2500 trucks and are not getting the mileage they thought they would get and the trucks are costing them more money to operate.
While debatable, it is likely that the mining, manufacturing, and shipping of DPFs generates more pollution than the DPFs reduce themselves. When you add in DEF fluid, which adds more manufacturing, plastic, and shipping via rail car, it’s likely more pollution is created overall to produce and operate today’s diesel engines. That said, the goal of the DPF is to reduce soot, not CO2. While “rolling coal” seems cool, those particulates are quite carcinogenic and are more likely to impact health locally.
The point is that “clean diesel” is largely about reduction of soot. It would be ignorant to think that you can get 8-20 mpg in a large diesel truck and that somehow they magically don’t produce a reasonable amount of emissions.
Lastly, it’s not rocket science to see that without the DPF, black smoke billows from the exhaust, and with DPF, it doesn’t. Doesn’t take a class action lawsuit to see the obvious “clean” of clean diesels.
Agree but they are taking about the SCR reducing NOX not the DPF reducing soot.
But you are right the production of these idiotic devices produces more pollution than the device reduces. And considering these are no devices on the 5000 plane over the USA 24/7 , picking on small trucks is ludicrous. Let’s get these planes out of the air.
Not cheating
GM and all the rest of the auto makers with a diesel offering know and follow the EPA rules to the T, that's what the layers are for. Then there is the political agenda's that don't like how the manufactures navigate around said rules based on the language used by the EPA. If a diesel engine met all of the requirements that some groups would like to see through 100% of the diesel engines operational use it would be so cost prohibitive and unreliable that there would be no point in making them for automotive uses and that seems to be where things are ultimately going.
Smithers worked with Homer Simpson do we really think this report is true?
6 regens a day using 10 gals of fuel to keep a DPF clean is a joke !
Who cares