In the Army we used to get blanks mixed into our live fire drill magazines which don't cycle properly and cause a jam specifically to force that training to be realistic. If it took longer than 5 seconds to clear a jam in a rifle we got smoked. By my count it took 28 seconds to clear a far more simple pistol which is beyond unacceptable. Nevermind the dozen times she pointed her weapon at herself, her partner, and innocent civilians...
My dad was a cop and when he trained me on handguns he would always say incase of a malfunction “Tap, Tap, Rack” that would fix 90% of malfunctions in under 3 seconds.
Once, I saw a video of a US marine in Iraq firing the big 50.cal from atop a Humvee, the gun jammed whilst he was under fire. He lifted the big lid at the top, pulled the chain of ammo out, removed the jammed round, reloaded the 50 cal, and carried on firing again. All in like 10 seconds. Was very cool. How could she not unjam a pistol? Surely she has training for it?
I worked as an instructor at a gun range in Northeast Pennsylvania and we would have cops from NY City come in all the time to practice for their yearly trials. Oh Lord, some of the things I saw. They were some of the most clueless, unsafe people I ever saw holding a gun in my life. And they were trained! There were a couple of great guys that knew what they were doing but the rest? Holy Christ! And they would give you attitude. One cop I had to kick out because he kept pointing his muzzle at people and when I would tell him to be careful he would laugh at me like I was an idiot and it was all a joke.
Why are NYPD cops driving to North East Pennsylvania to practice for requalifications? Plenty of ranges a lot closer to practice, you must be getting all the idiots, I’ve seen plenty in a big department
@@johnlovett651 Yeah...they must be sending them the rejects considering there's 35,000 police in the NYPD. And no, that's not a typo. I live 45 mins outside the city on Long Island, and if I call 911 I can get a cop to my location on average in under 5 mins.
Yeah, if you’re going to be entrusted with a firearm, you must must be sufficiently trained and periodically be tested to show proficiency with safety. It should be the bare minimum that if an officer is issued a firearm they must be certified that they can operate it safely to protect the public and themselves.
Civilian Oversight is what they call it. Like the Secretary of Defense is in charge of the military, second only to the president and the secretary of the navy is in charge of navy/USMC.
As for oversight, it's important that the people in charge know how to do police work but civilian oversight is also crucial. We have seen what happens when agencies investigate themselves. It shouldn't be difficult for agencies to operate under some kind of civilian oversight but literally everything is political these days so what's good for the community is pretty far down the priority lists. Local control is also important.
Civilian oversight of some things yes. But a civilian oversight committee to decide what tactics/methods of operation are acceptable for use by a bunch of people who have never been cops is absolutely ridiculous. In my opinion, in order to be on a civilian oversight committee you should have some law enforcement, first responder experience so that you actually understand how dangerous it is to work the streets. Especially at night in Chicago.
I believe the car should have a mobile radio. In fact my 28 years as a Paramedic I worked a lot with law enforcement in close proximity and I have never seen a police car that didn’t have a radio
It comes down to training and practice. If you practice something enough, it becomes muscle memory and then you're less likely to have difficulty with it even if you're panicking because your brain doesn't need to think about it, it's automatic.
Dave if you click with mouse video to start playing then yes you can use space bar its only when you touch volume you would then have to click video to be able to use space again.
When shtf, you operate at the level of training that you've MASTERED, and practice Frequently. Shooting a static paper target while standing still in a low stress environment is not training and will get you killed if that's all you do.
Was always nervous in Asian airports in the eighties when guards would walk by that looked like kids with their fingers on the trigger guard of an automatic weapon. Did not like it at all when the gun barrel would get within six inches from my chest.
@@MichaelCouture87 The channels are very different. What I'm saying is, they are not comparable. ASP focuses on survival tactics and preparedness in real-life self defense scenarios while Donut Op focuses solely on police tactics and procedures, determining whether or not the officers acted in a justifiable manner. I know the ASP Badge-Cam episodes focus on this a little bit as well but this is mostly the sole purpose of DOs channel.
@@canadianninja1756 Donut Operator overly injects himself into the stories he covers. ASP definitely covers a broad range of self-defense stories, but there's a wealth of police procedures/encounters covered on that channel that, IMO, is far more informative and apolitical than DO. To each their own, but DO seems like a lot of other sensationalized channels that are more focused on cheap engagement than actually providing a service to educate people and find common ground. The Blokes tend to react to those types of channels over the more nuanced ones for the same reason. I'm personally not a big fan of it.
@@MichaelCouture87 Donut might not come across as someone trying to find common ground because there is literally no common ground to find. It's either police procedure or it isn't. It's either a good shoot or it isn't. You might not like Donut's political views but he still calls it like it is. It's not like he's a mindless robot who only defends police. He's literally calling out the cop in this video. And ASP certainly aren't apolitical either. Maybe more so than Donut but the political commentary is still there, while being much more vague.
I used to get jams all the time, until I realized I was using a limp wrist. So... I gave up the gay lifestyle, and haven't had a jam since. Just kidding! I just learned to grip the guns better. Unfortunately, I had taught the crappy grip to a few young'uns in the family. Then I paid for my daughter to get real lessons.
Yeah, I don’t think civilian oversight is the issue here. Civilian oversight should encourage more training, not less. Sometimes it’s lack of funding, poor leadership, poor organization, or maybe just an incompetent individual. Lord knows there are plenty of those.
Her accent says she was only hired for one thing and that wasn't for her aptitude as an officer. You see it in our bigger cities. Try and diversify the police departments but it doesn't work too well. Hiring residents that come from the bad neighborhoods is just a terrible idea.
The only thing that surprises me about Chicago is their isn’t a statue of Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Ho Chi Min and Chairman Mao in the city center that everyone has to bow to and kiss the statues feet or face fines and jail time
US has great shortage of police and a lot of departments are extremely underfunded and under staffed. Abolishing the police movement in recent years also done even more damage to it. For a lot of departments, officers simply do not have enough off time to get training and departments do not have enough resource to even provide them with opportunity. Some officers that care about their job, they take tactical courses from civilian organization and often paid out of their own pocket. Even here in America, many non-gun people just assume police officers are firearms expert and can handle it better than others. However, reality is that most civilians that regularly shoots at the range are far more skilled and knowledgeable with firearms than most officers. In terms of firearms knowledge, case is same for the military. A lot of people assume being in the military makes you a gun expert. But having been in the military myself, you are limited to firearms that are issued to you and limited to training orchestrated by your unit. Unless you own guns and regularly train outside of your job, civilians tend to have more variety of firearms and get to spend far more times with it then many service members. One of the big problem with the US police quality is that most work for wage less than what some restaurant workers make in some states. Uvalde police officers got a lot of shit on after the school shooting, but their annual salary is 35k. I am not saying what they did was justified but we get what we paid for. 35k salary most likely means that department also doesn't have enough money to give these officers proper training. What many civilians fail to understand is the amount of stress these officers have to work under. In military, we know when we are in danger area. During peace time, it's just a physically demanding job. But for police, their daily routine patrol can turn into massive gun battle and every human they interact with could be the villain of the century. A simple traffic stop can turn into you getting shot at. That is a lot of stress and PTSD. And they work long hour while getting shit pay. This is why the US is having police shortage and continuous decline of quality. We can't have 35k salary cops and expect Navy SEAL DEVGRU quality. The answer isn't abolishing police or defunding the police. Answer is providing them with proper funding so the job is more attractive for more qualified people and can receive proper training. The officers we see in the video are product of defunded police. Department is short on people, so they just hire people that wouldn't normally make the cut. Their basic trainings are shit because they most likely won't make the cut if they had bigger pool to select them from. This is a problem but seems like many are looking for solution in wrong places.
DEI, defund the police, this is what you get. Can't even clear a jam. Tap Rack Bang. Drop mag, Tap, Rack, Bang. That's how you clear a jam. Not point it at motorist, your partner, your hand, or sticking your finger in the ejection port to pull out a spent casing or live round. That's how you break a finger. They ran for cover, but then run to their car in the open. Makes no sense. I put 10s of thousands of rounds down range. I practice and practice and practice so I can be able to draw my weapon when needed, or clear a jam. Painful to watch.
@minuette It doesn't matter what it's about. It's what you get. You demand more training, but training costs money. Cops don't get paid enough to deal with your shit, so they quit, and only the incompetent and the power hungry stay. You complain they're too militarized, but I'd rather have cops who can smoke a criminal easily than that San Fran fiasco a couple decades back. And funnily enough, that BLM bitch who started all of this 1) used donation money to buy a bunch of big mansions for herself in WHITE neighborhoods and 2) has private security. BLM doesn't give a damn about blacks until it's convenient. I didn't see anyone shouting "No justice no peace" when that little (black) girl was shot in a (black) gang drive by in Chicago shortly after Floyd OD-ed on fentanyl in '20. I guess black lives don't matter if it's another black guy who ends it.
That’s probably exactly what it is. Looked to me like she couldn’t drop her mag because 1st her nails were in the way and she didn’t have the thumb strength or know how to drop it. Like donut said it’s literally 2 movements
Wrong! Affirmative action benefits white women the most. And diversity hires also benefits white women more. Stop being an idiot and learn something factual and useful.
@@TreyM1609 no radio, asking her partner to come as she sat in the car after someone tried to shoot her and her partner, stopping to pick up a bullet on the ground and basically not engaging the suspect. she is bottom rung and probably can not even do paperwork or perform basic tasks.
Aptitude has long since been abandoned when it comes to law enforcement. Its about numbers and demographics. Calling for a police officer is rolling the dice on what you are going to get. It's another reason why being able to defend yourself is important. Not only can it take too long for someone to get there but there is a decent chance you would get shot by the people you call.
My guys, just tell people you have a Patreon and have Max edit in a popup that leads to a link. The whole "omg Mike, how much does it cost?" Is as cringy for followers as it is for Mike to constantly repeat. I say this as a Patreon member from almost the beginning lol
In the Army we used to get blanks mixed into our live fire drill magazines which don't cycle properly and cause a jam specifically to force that training to be realistic. If it took longer than 5 seconds to clear a jam in a rifle we got smoked. By my count it took 28 seconds to clear a far more simple pistol which is beyond unacceptable. Nevermind the dozen times she pointed her weapon at herself, her partner, and innocent civilians...
My dad was a cop and when he trained me on handguns he would always say incase of a malfunction “Tap, Tap, Rack” that would fix 90% of malfunctions in under 3 seconds.
She didn’t even attempt to try to remove the mag to see if it would work
Once, I saw a video of a US marine in Iraq firing the big 50.cal from atop a Humvee, the gun jammed whilst he was under fire. He lifted the big lid at the top, pulled the chain of ammo out, removed the jammed round, reloaded the 50 cal, and carried on firing again. All in like 10 seconds. Was very cool.
How could she not unjam a pistol? Surely she has training for it?
cool story, bro.
I worked as an instructor at a gun range in Northeast Pennsylvania and we would have cops from NY City come in all the time to practice for their yearly trials. Oh Lord, some of the things I saw. They were some of the most clueless, unsafe people I ever saw holding a gun in my life. And they were trained! There were a couple of great guys that knew what they were doing but the rest? Holy Christ! And they would give you attitude. One cop I had to kick out because he kept pointing his muzzle at people and when I would tell him to be careful he would laugh at me like I was an idiot and it was all a joke.
Why are NYPD cops driving to North East Pennsylvania to practice for requalifications? Plenty of ranges a lot closer to practice, you must be getting all the idiots, I’ve seen plenty in a big department
@@johnlovett651 Yeah...they must be sending them the rejects considering there's 35,000 police in the NYPD. And no, that's not a typo. I live 45 mins outside the city on Long Island, and if I call 911 I can get a cop to my location on average in under 5 mins.
Yeah, if you’re going to be entrusted with a firearm, you must must be sufficiently trained and periodically be tested to show proficiency with safety. It should be the bare minimum that if an officer is issued a firearm they must be certified that they can operate it safely to protect the public and themselves.
Civilian Oversight is what they call it. Like the Secretary of Defense is in charge of the military, second only to the president and the secretary of the navy is in charge of navy/USMC.
that "ohh a piece of candy" is from a family guy episode with James Woods!! LOL!
As for oversight, it's important that the people in charge know how to do police work but civilian oversight is also crucial. We have seen what happens when agencies investigate themselves. It shouldn't be difficult for agencies to operate under some kind of civilian oversight but literally everything is political these days so what's good for the community is pretty far down the priority lists. Local control is also important.
Civilian oversight of some things yes. But a civilian oversight committee to decide what tactics/methods of operation are acceptable for use by a bunch of people who have never been cops is absolutely ridiculous. In my opinion, in order to be on a civilian oversight committee you should have some law enforcement, first responder experience so that you actually understand how dangerous it is to work the streets. Especially at night in Chicago.
I believe the car should have a mobile radio. In fact my 28 years as a Paramedic I worked a lot with law enforcement in close proximity and I have never seen a police car that didn’t have a radio
If you haven't watched Donut's breakdown on Nashville, I recommend it.
Same
It comes down to training and practice. If you practice something enough, it becomes muscle memory and then you're less likely to have difficulty with it even if you're panicking because your brain doesn't need to think about it, it's automatic.
Dave if you click with mouse video to start playing then yes you can use space bar its only when you touch volume you would then have to click video to be able to use space again.
When shtf, you operate at the level of training that you've MASTERED, and practice Frequently. Shooting a static paper target while standing still in a low stress environment is not training and will get you killed if that's all you do.
The computer screen in the police car is blurred for privacy reasons.
Was always nervous in Asian airports in the eighties when guards would walk by that looked like kids with their fingers on the trigger guard of an automatic weapon. Did not like it at all when the gun barrel would get within six inches from my chest.
Hey guys there is a channel called active self protection that has some really good videos
Agreed! It's a much more informative and balanced channel than Donut Operator.
@@MichaelCouture87 The channels are very different. What I'm saying is, they are not comparable. ASP focuses on survival tactics and preparedness in real-life self defense scenarios while Donut Op focuses solely on police tactics and procedures, determining whether or not the officers acted in a justifiable manner. I know the ASP Badge-Cam episodes focus on this a little bit as well but this is mostly the sole purpose of DOs channel.
@canadianninja1756 yeah, they are both very informative. They give pro tips that can save lives
@@canadianninja1756 Donut Operator overly injects himself into the stories he covers. ASP definitely covers a broad range of self-defense stories, but there's a wealth of police procedures/encounters covered on that channel that, IMO, is far more informative and apolitical than DO. To each their own, but DO seems like a lot of other sensationalized channels that are more focused on cheap engagement than actually providing a service to educate people and find common ground. The Blokes tend to react to those types of channels over the more nuanced ones for the same reason. I'm personally not a big fan of it.
@@MichaelCouture87 Donut might not come across as someone trying to find common ground because there is literally no common ground to find. It's either police procedure or it isn't. It's either a good shoot or it isn't. You might not like Donut's political views but he still calls it like it is. It's not like he's a mindless robot who only defends police. He's literally calling out the cop in this video. And ASP certainly aren't apolitical either. Maybe more so than Donut but the political commentary is still there, while being much more vague.
I used to get jams all the time, until I realized I was using a limp wrist. So... I gave up the gay lifestyle, and haven't had a jam since. Just kidding! I just learned to grip the guns better. Unfortunately, I had taught the crappy grip to a few young'uns in the family. Then I paid for my daughter to get real lessons.
We definitely need more civilian oversight on police lmao, try to watch more than just pro police content
Yeah, I don’t think civilian oversight is the issue here. Civilian oversight should encourage more training, not less. Sometimes it’s lack of funding, poor leadership, poor organization, or maybe just an incompetent individual. Lord knows there are plenty of those.
Her accent says she was only hired for one thing and that wasn't for her aptitude as an officer. You see it in our bigger cities. Try and diversify the police departments but it doesn't work too well. Hiring residents that come from the bad neighborhoods is just a terrible idea.
Bro I’ve never held or shot a gun in my life and even I knew how to unjam the gun wow just wow
Donut is the man!
The only thing that surprises me about Chicago is their isn’t a statue of Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Ho Chi Min and Chairman Mao in the city center that everyone has to bow to and kiss the statues feet or face fines and jail time
I live 10min from here it was all over the news over here 3:39
Sheriffs are an elected Position.
Someone i was in High school with ran for Sheriff At the age of 18 when we were Seniors.
Haven't watched it yet, but I'm calling it. It has to involve a quota hire female ...
US has great shortage of police and a lot of departments are extremely underfunded and under staffed. Abolishing the police movement in recent years also done even more damage to it. For a lot of departments, officers simply do not have enough off time to get training and departments do not have enough resource to even provide them with opportunity. Some officers that care about their job, they take tactical courses from civilian organization and often paid out of their own pocket. Even here in America, many non-gun people just assume police officers are firearms expert and can handle it better than others. However, reality is that most civilians that regularly shoots at the range are far more skilled and knowledgeable with firearms than most officers. In terms of firearms knowledge, case is same for the military. A lot of people assume being in the military makes you a gun expert. But having been in the military myself, you are limited to firearms that are issued to you and limited to training orchestrated by your unit. Unless you own guns and regularly train outside of your job, civilians tend to have more variety of firearms and get to spend far more times with it then many service members.
One of the big problem with the US police quality is that most work for wage less than what some restaurant workers make in some states. Uvalde police officers got a lot of shit on after the school shooting, but their annual salary is 35k. I am not saying what they did was justified but we get what we paid for. 35k salary most likely means that department also doesn't have enough money to give these officers proper training.
What many civilians fail to understand is the amount of stress these officers have to work under. In military, we know when we are in danger area. During peace time, it's just a physically demanding job. But for police, their daily routine patrol can turn into massive gun battle and every human they interact with could be the villain of the century. A simple traffic stop can turn into you getting shot at. That is a lot of stress and PTSD. And they work long hour while getting shit pay. This is why the US is having police shortage and continuous decline of quality. We can't have 35k salary cops and expect Navy SEAL DEVGRU quality. The answer isn't abolishing police or defunding the police. Answer is providing them with proper funding so the job is more attractive for more qualified people and can receive proper training. The officers we see in the video are product of defunded police. Department is short on people, so they just hire people that wouldn't normally make the cut. Their basic trainings are shit because they most likely won't make the cut if they had bigger pool to select them from. This is a problem but seems like many are looking for solution in wrong places.
Yeah, you need to lock your wrist when firing those guns. It's not hard with practice.
Alot of police stations have ranges in them they shoot all the time this was sad
A lot of cops never shoot or go to the range except for there yearly qualifying. It's a fucking joke.
@@FakTorThis never heard a office near me not have a range downstairs , if uts sheriffs its usually under the jail
DEI, defund the police, this is what you get. Can't even clear a jam. Tap Rack Bang. Drop mag, Tap, Rack, Bang. That's how you clear a jam. Not point it at motorist, your partner, your hand, or sticking your finger in the ejection port to pull out a spent casing or live round. That's how you break a finger. They ran for cover, but then run to their car in the open. Makes no sense. I put 10s of thousands of rounds down range. I practice and practice and practice so I can be able to draw my weapon when needed, or clear a jam. Painful to watch.
That is not what defund the police is about.
@minuette
It doesn't matter what it's about. It's what you get. You demand more training, but training costs money. Cops don't get paid enough to deal with your shit, so they quit, and only the incompetent and the power hungry stay. You complain they're too militarized, but I'd rather have cops who can smoke a criminal easily than that San Fran fiasco a couple decades back.
And funnily enough, that BLM bitch who started all of this 1) used donation money to buy a bunch of big mansions for herself in WHITE neighborhoods and 2) has private security. BLM doesn't give a damn about blacks until it's convenient. I didn't see anyone shouting "No justice no peace" when that little (black) girl was shot in a (black) gang drive by in Chicago shortly after Floyd OD-ed on fentanyl in '20. I guess black lives don't matter if it's another black guy who ends it.
reality check--affirmative action/diversity hire
That’s probably exactly what it is. Looked to me like she couldn’t drop her mag because 1st her nails were in the way and she didn’t have the thumb strength or know how to drop it. Like donut said it’s literally 2 movements
Wrong! Affirmative action benefits white women the most. And diversity hires also benefits white women more. Stop being an idiot and learn something factual and useful.
@@TreyM1609 no radio, asking her partner to come as she sat in the car after someone tried to shoot her and her partner, stopping to pick up a bullet on the ground and basically not engaging the suspect. she is bottom rung and probably can not even do paperwork or perform basic tasks.
I didn’t use to like donut. But he really grew on me
I'm curious about why you initially didn't like
@@pipeosaursI like donuts views but I don’t think I’d enjoy having a beer with him to be honest
education in spite of sarcasm. I get it. As long as we all get educated.
@@Jklopoppcornwell his kind of humor is pretty jaded since he did use to be in the Navy and Police.
@@pipeosaurs He sounds smarmy and pompous. And he looks like a frat boy red neck. but that's my opinion.
Just a normal day in Shitcago.
She panicked on probably her first shooting
Was that an actual unicorn, a white female shooter?! Or am I missing something here?
The female cop in this case was really incompetent!
It said Hispanic female
@KAP
I've seen liberals claim hispanics as white when it suits them.
Aptitude has long since been abandoned when it comes to law enforcement. Its about numbers and demographics. Calling for a police officer is rolling the dice on what you are going to get. It's another reason why being able to defend yourself is important. Not only can it take too long for someone to get there but there is a decent chance you would get shot by the people you call.
My guys, just tell people you have a Patreon and have Max edit in a popup that leads to a link. The whole "omg Mike, how much does it cost?" Is as cringy for followers as it is for Mike to constantly repeat. I say this as a Patreon member from almost the beginning lol
Thank God for diversity hires 🤗