I'm watching this because i just bought the R8 which is basically a shrunk down R6MkII without IBIS and the idea that a camera that cheap has a sensor that can go up against an R3 just tickles me in a nice way.
Lee , there has been talk about an R3 Mk II . I have an R3 here Lee and I love it , it's a very good camera , the only way I would improve it is to offer a crop sensor like the old 1D series cameras used to be . The other thing that needs to be improved on the entire Canon line is to improve eye detection especially for photographing birds .
I only heard about the R1 as a high megapixel camera coming soon. There has been leaks of the image here and there and once the Olympics gets near , there will be more info on it. Perhaps that is the R3 MKII rumor you are referring to? Its been a while since Canon improved the eye tracking for birds. I mean the last time I can think of is the release of the R5. No real tweaks for a while. If there was one, then it might had slipped under my radar but yes, I will agree, new improve animal tracking is needed.
@@theCameraVille Thank you for the reply there Lee . And you are definitely right there definitely needs to be an update by Canon for eye tracking on Birds like what Nikon has done there's is by far the best for Bird eye tracking right now.
Thanks for the video, i like how you went through the features. I just didn’t like the autofocus being disappointing the way you tested it. It’s just that i don’t think testing the autofocus with a human and a manikin is really the best way to test it. But overall great video, hope you understand my opinion 👍🏼
I saw other people test and wanted to do test at another angle. I can do exactly what others done but was more curious on the actual human focusing and see which is smarter to detect . A different angle to put into the conversation but thanks for chimming in. Perhaps I will do with and without the manikin in the future.
The buffer test is just amazing and to me shows au real problem using the R6 mk2 in sport photography ! If you have to wait 2 ou 4 seconds between each action it's a problem !
Not to worry. You need to use what works for you. If you can get the correct exposure and shoot the same style on the R6II as you did on the R3, you should be fine.
@@ClarenceslashBr6 and r6 mark ii are different cameras. I have two of each type for wedding work, and honestly they're both amazing first and second generation.
I'm new to photography and video.. can someone please explain what the heck is "internal raw vs external raw" and why I would want one over the other????
It depends on your system, your storage situation. What are you looking for. Then we get into the shadow recovery levels to the high light recovery level. Are you also on an arm chip base desktop or not because machine matters and along with your monitor screen, if you dont have a good screen to view it then you will not see the benefits. Also doing things externally will be cooler on the camera where internally can cause much heat and camera will shut down. Are you going incognito mode or will you have a crew? If your doing external then you will need to invest on v mount battery, cagest and cables. So your budget and your home system is the real question . Cheers
Thats a new request. Thank you for letting me know. I will be sure to do this in my R6 vs R6mkii video next. I will see if it makes a huge difference and if so it will be in the video. Also due to the length of the video, I had to trim some test out, people complain😭.
Hey Lee, cool channel! I was curious, I am not sure if you rented the r3 for this review or you own it but did you ever try your sigma 150-600c on the r3?
Yes! We did testing with that combo on my instagram stories when we made this video. Worked great. I couldnt say anything bad about it. Smooth as butter
@@theCameraVille oh cool! I've seen a lot of photos with the budget lens on the r3 but never actually heard anyone's thoughts on the odd combo. Good to hear!
@@Morgan_In_Motion Oh Yea, I bet there are folks who may looked down on this combo since its an expensive body with a budget lens. I remember getting called out in my videos for doing so.
Thank you~! Yea, I was very skeptical on the 40FPS and after doing some digging, I knew something was up. I still own the R6 MKII but I dont have the same expectation as if I was shooting with the R3.
The mechanical shutter on the R6 II is about 1-2 stops better than electronic (same with most mirrorless that are not stacked). Btw I use ISO 12800 on my R6 II all the time and it's super clean in real world use and generally needs no noise reduction at all.
@@theCameraVille True. Yeah, I don't use electronic shutter at all. To me 12 FPS is already huge (I shot with the 1D III for years as a pro and the 10 fps was already nuts).
You obviously haven’t spent much time with the Canon R3 on autofocus and tracking. Having owned both cameras, the R3 tracks much better Other than that, nice review and thx for taking your time Also most reviewers found better low light performance in the R3
Thats the issue, its “registering”. Takes time and in a real event probably only have a split second to make a choice on your shot. The bigger issue is, the mannequin isnt a real person 😂🤦♂️.
@@theCameraVille For weddings and events where the subjects are a select few, registering makes sense, the prep doesn't take all that long. I shot a downhill slalom event last Saturday with videographers in tow, plus spectators. Out of 9,820 images, only 83 had focus issues; all 83 were me not being prepared & trying to capture it anyway. It's not that big of an issue, but in fairness, no mannequins attended the event, so you may have a point. 😄
@@ThatGuyInVegas You are still going off the topic... I said in the video. Canon doesnt know the difference between a Human vs a plastic replica of a human, also let me add, photo, video and replica of likeness of a human. You are saying you can train it. ( by the way only up to 10 people ) . But if the scene is full of random journalistic shots then that feature is dead on arrival. Also your going beyond the topic and also supporting my claim. You are saying with a feature , you can TEACH the canon AF to focus on what you need. Im saying it doesnt know the difference between a real human and a non living thing. Same area of focus but different topics get it? You can also say " do box focus on the head of the subject you need" and call it a day. This way registering a person head isnt needed. Also 10 important people for a wedding is a small venue. But at the end of the day your talking about assisting the autofocus.
@@theCameraVille @theCameraVille each subsequent camera is going to improve as it should. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that you can set subject tracking to mitigate tracking issues. Or use the eye control feature in the R3. I seriously doubt any camera with today's technology can effectively tell the difference between a live person and a statue 100% of the time, but it will get there. R3 is an amazing work of technology, the R6 MII is borrowing and building on that. The R1 will no doubt take it to the next level.
@@ThatGuyInVegas That is all I was saying in the video. The next steps is to detect the difference from a real person to a fake. And before you know it, the terminator will happen lol. Cheers
@@robclougherty3948 Hi Rob, The Pentax community claims I dont use/own Pentax. They must be correct. There is many fantastic Pentax reviewer on YT today. Better than ever~!
Why would a camera company spend millions researching AF so that it can tell the difference between a human and a mannequin? LOL. Like when is this ever going to happen in the real world? LOL
It can be a poster, statue, object that resembles a human in the area can throw it off basically. Museum , fashion events , sports events and concerts. so this applies to those who are into those creative venues.
@@77dris Yup, as stated in the video, their next step is to fix this issue basically. I believe they can easily fix it by calculating the movement of a subject.
The ISO range on the new RF bodies is great. I think the extra noise we see is because how the lenses resolve. The old EF lenses resolved noise more pleasing to the eye. The RF lenses are so sharp and clinical, that the noise looks very hard and rigid. I prefer to adapt EF lenses in lower light situations for this reason. Just my anecdotal observations. 🤷♂️
This is the best R3 vs R6 II comparison video I've seen (maybe the only one that is comprehensive at all). Thank you!
You are welcome. I will be working on a R6 I vs R6 II. Stay tune~!
I'm watching this because i just bought the R8 which is basically a shrunk down R6MkII without IBIS and the idea that a camera that cheap has a sensor that can go up against an R3 just tickles me in a nice way.
NICE~!
how about niose levels?
Lee , there has been talk about an R3 Mk II .
I have an R3 here Lee and I love it , it's a very good camera , the only way I would improve it is to offer a crop sensor like the old 1D series cameras used to be .
The other thing that needs to be improved on the entire Canon line is to improve eye detection especially for photographing birds .
I only heard about the R1 as a high megapixel camera coming soon. There has been leaks of the image here and there and once the Olympics gets near , there will be more info on it. Perhaps that is the R3 MKII rumor you are referring to?
Its been a while since Canon improved the eye tracking for birds. I mean the last time I can think of is the release of the R5. No real tweaks for a while. If there was one, then it might had slipped under my radar but yes, I will agree, new improve animal tracking is needed.
@@theCameraVille Thank you for the reply there Lee .
And you are definitely right there definitely needs to be an update by Canon for eye tracking on Birds like what Nikon has done there's is by far the best for Bird eye tracking right now.
Thanks for
the video, i like how you went through the features. I just didn’t like the autofocus being disappointing the way you tested it. It’s just that i don’t think testing the autofocus with a human and a manikin is really the best way to test it. But overall great video, hope you understand my opinion 👍🏼
I saw other people test and wanted to do test at another angle. I can do exactly what others done but was more curious on the actual human focusing and see which is smarter to detect . A different angle to put into the conversation but thanks for chimming in.
Perhaps I will do with and without the manikin in the future.
your are the only youtuber test ISO with Electronic shutter , great job man ! can u also test electronic first curtain shutter with R8 ? thanks you !
Oh you are welcome~! That sounds like a possible comparison in the future. I will keep an eye on this topic.
Still dont know if i should get an R5 or an R6M2! I have an R6 and will keep it. I do mainly Motorsport.
Once I do a R6 Mk1 vs R6Mkii video, it may help you decide.
The buffer test is just amazing and to me shows au real problem using the R6 mk2 in sport photography ! If you have to wait 2 ou 4 seconds between each action it's a problem !
Yup! It was kind of false advertisement. It is 40fps but so short😭😭😭
R6 mark II seems to be more sensitive than R3 in video focusing?
Yup and it hasnt gotten af FW yet. So this is great out the box
You mean the R3 just started unboxing?
@@光龍-z5g R6mkii, seems to work just as good as the R3. Even in low light.
The R6 II is better for the cost, before you roast me I own both. The R6II is a brilliant camera so much so im considering get rid of my R3.
Not to worry. You need to use what works for you. If you can get the correct exposure and shoot the same style on the R6II as you did on the R3, you should be fine.
I was thinking about getting the r3 is it not worth it compared to the r6?
@@ClarenceslashBr6 and r6 mark ii are different cameras. I have two of each type for wedding work, and honestly they're both amazing first and second generation.
But the R3 supposedly has better build quality.
I get rolling shutter with the R6II…especially shooting flying birds.
Almost zero rolling shutter with the R3
I'm new to photography and video.. can someone please
explain what the heck is "internal raw vs external raw" and why I would want one over the other????
It depends on your system, your storage situation. What are you looking for. Then we get into the shadow recovery levels to the high light recovery level. Are you also on an arm chip base desktop or not because machine matters and along with your monitor screen, if you dont have a good screen to view it then you will not see the benefits. Also doing things externally will be cooler on the camera where internally can cause much heat and camera will shut down. Are you going incognito mode or will you have a crew? If your doing external then you will need to invest on v mount battery, cagest and cables. So your budget and your home system is the real question . Cheers
how about overheating problem for R3 and R6MKII??
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Did I miss the R3 Mechanical Shutter test vs the R6 Mark II Mechanical Shutter test in the ISO comparison ?
Thats a new request. Thank you for letting me know. I will be sure to do this in my R6 vs R6mkii video next. I will see if it makes a huge difference and if so it will be in the video. Also due to the length of the video, I had to trim some test out, people complain😭.
Thank you for this comparison!!! Are you able to make the same with R6 and R6 mk2?
That is on my next check list. 2 weeks i believe. 🫡🫡 Got you.
@@theCameraVillesubscribe just for this video , I’ll be waiting
@@evansalmonsen This is still happening, I got ill but that should be this month~!
Hey Lee, cool channel! I was curious, I am not sure if you rented the r3 for this review or you own it but did you ever try your sigma 150-600c on the r3?
Yes! We did testing with that combo on my instagram stories when we made this video. Worked great. I couldnt say anything bad about it. Smooth as butter
@@theCameraVille oh cool! I've seen a lot of photos with the budget lens on the r3 but never actually heard anyone's thoughts on the odd combo. Good to hear!
@@Morgan_In_Motion Oh Yea, I bet there are folks who may looked down on this combo since its an expensive body with a budget lens. I remember getting called out in my videos for doing so.
@@theCameraVille oh definitely, I have read a few nasty comments on running this cheap lens on the r3 haha.
@@Morgan_In_Motion 😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. I still have mine. Love that lens.
This is a awesome video. Thank you very much & It was very informative.
Glad it was helpful! I was skeptical but now I know after this test. cheers~
Perfect comparison of R3 vs R6MkII. Thanks...
This is such a great compare and contrast! Very elevated and concise!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥👌🏻👌🏻
Thank you~! Yea, I was very skeptical on the 40FPS and after doing some digging, I knew something was up. I still own the R6 MKII but I dont have the same expectation as if I was shooting with the R3.
The mechanical shutter on the R6 II is about 1-2 stops better than electronic (same with most mirrorless that are not stacked). Btw I use ISO 12800 on my R6 II all the time and it's super clean in real world use and generally needs no noise reduction at all.
If that works for you grear, otherwise R3 is better.
@@theCameraVille True. Yeah, I don't use electronic shutter at all. To me 12 FPS is already huge (I shot with the 1D III for years as a pro and the 10 fps was already nuts).
Can you always also test highlight recovery pls? for example R3 vs Z9
So that is a thing I see. I can add in the future for sure.
@@theCameraVille please do, i love nikon but their highlights are really bad worse than any other camera i had.
I got R5ii vs Z8 soon so lets go
R6 mkii is a mini R3 for a fraction of the cost 😅
Not sure if I agree. Check the FPS portion.
You obviously haven’t spent much time with the Canon R3 on autofocus and tracking.
Having owned both cameras, the R3 tracks much better
Other than that, nice review and thx for taking your time
Also most reviewers found better low light performance in the R3
We did a live show with no jump cuts and also took Q and A before this video. Cant beat that actually. Good luck
I don't know about the R6 MII, but the R3 has facial recognition in it now, register your face and that mannequin won't be an issue lol! 😄
Thats the issue, its “registering”. Takes time and in a real event probably only have a split second to make a choice on your shot. The bigger issue is, the mannequin isnt a real person 😂🤦♂️.
@@theCameraVille For weddings and events where the subjects are a select few, registering makes sense, the prep doesn't take all that long.
I shot a downhill slalom event last Saturday with videographers in tow, plus spectators. Out of 9,820 images, only 83 had focus issues; all 83 were me not being prepared & trying to capture it anyway. It's not that big of an issue, but in fairness, no mannequins attended the event, so you may have a point. 😄
@@ThatGuyInVegas You are still going off the topic...
I said in the video.
Canon doesnt know the difference between a Human vs a plastic replica of a human, also let me add, photo, video and replica of likeness of a human.
You are saying you can train it. ( by the way only up to 10 people ) . But if the scene is full of random journalistic shots then that feature is dead on arrival. Also your going beyond the topic and also supporting my claim.
You are saying with a feature , you can TEACH the canon AF to focus on what you need.
Im saying it doesnt know the difference between a real human and a non living thing.
Same area of focus but different topics get it?
You can also say " do box focus on the head of the subject you need" and call it a day. This way registering a person head isnt needed. Also 10 important people for a wedding is a small venue. But at the end of the day your talking about assisting the autofocus.
@@theCameraVille @theCameraVille each subsequent camera is going to improve as it should. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that you can set subject tracking to mitigate tracking issues. Or use the eye control feature in the R3.
I seriously doubt any camera with today's technology can effectively tell the difference between a live person and a statue 100% of the time, but it will get there. R3 is an amazing work of technology, the R6 MII is borrowing and building on that. The R1 will no doubt take it to the next level.
@@ThatGuyInVegas That is all I was saying in the video. The next steps is to detect the difference from a real person to a fake. And before you know it, the terminator will happen lol. Cheers
Bro you broke up with Pentax. I was expecting a review from you :)
There is so many fantastic Pentax reviewers now. They are way better than me . I cant keep up. Im no good.
@@theCameraVille you are also good bro
No Pentax 😮
@@robclougherty3948 Hi Rob, The Pentax community claims I dont use/own Pentax. They must be correct. There is many fantastic Pentax reviewer on YT today. Better than ever~!
Can I shoot at 20 fps 14 was enough with 1dxii
Yes you can shoot 20FPS but that is in ES
Thanks for your comparison
My pleasure.🤝🫡Thanks for watching❤️
Youu can't beat the R3 RAW video. The R6II can't keep up.
Yup very true. Tons of video R6 ii is behind on
Would the r6 Ii be an upgrade from. 1dxii I think so
Yes, that was over 6 years ago. Tech is different today.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Why would a camera company spend millions researching AF so that it can tell the difference between a human and a mannequin? LOL. Like when is this ever going to happen in the real world? LOL
It can be a poster, statue, object that resembles a human in the area can throw it off basically. Museum , fashion events , sports events and concerts. so this applies to those who are into those creative venues.
@@theCameraVille I have found all cameras with eye AF will focus on posters, mannequins etc. I actually use this to test my eye AF.
My thoughts exactly!
@@77dris Yup, as stated in the video, their next step is to fix this issue basically. I believe they can easily fix it by calculating the movement of a subject.
Yes that made me laugh to what i weird thing to want af to do lol
Good review.
Thank you boss🫡🤝
What a video 🙈
You are welcome~!
Amazing comparison. Thank you❤
Thank you. This was a fun video to make. Im glad you enjoyrd it. ❤️
The R6 mk II seems like a great value. Just like the R8 !😊 thanks.
Yes it is, great overall value. !
Why is the ISO so awful on these cameras? Back in the day of 5D3 and 1Dx the ISO was great…
I havent tested those dslr models but you arent the first person who told me this.
The ISO range on the new RF bodies is great. I think the extra noise we see is because how the lenses resolve. The old EF lenses resolved noise more pleasing to the eye. The RF lenses are so sharp and clinical, that the noise looks very hard and rigid. I prefer to adapt EF lenses in lower light situations for this reason. Just my anecdotal observations. 🤷♂️
I have never heard of this. Is this because the sensor is always on compared to DSLRs?
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Come on you can’t compare R6 II to R3, R3 is more advanced
But you still click the video and watch so I love you for doing that.
thanks a lot, BUT without that tone-deaf blurry jingle-jungle in the backround it would be MUTCH BETTER
Thanks for stopping by! 🫡