As a teenager I dreamed of having a Dogs of War army, but by the time I was old enough to afford one they were long gone. Love to see these old models get modern paint jobs. It's the best of both worlds.
I’ve got almost a complete set of the Dog of War releases. All out of shrink, but never glued or painted and still in their boxes. Didn’t realize they were a “rare” thing that people might want. I might have to hit up the old eBay and pass them along to some folks who are looking for them.
I love the idea of deeper dives into minis! I personally don't care what they're about, because the passion y'all have for the minis you're painting is infectious!! And that painted canvas looks SICK!!
After seven years I finally got models for tyranids to replace a lost 550$ tyranid hive fleet. Back when I had them, I didn't paint them because my early attempts looked like they'd been savaged by a rainbow in a mud pit, but now I have a proper hive fleet pallet, and a few models under my belt to finally see the creation of Hive Fleet Cetus. Or at the very Least the kill team. Point being, I understand that itch, dude. Also, thanks. You guys, and Ninjon drew my attention to puppets war to be able to find the models I'm currently using to replace my long lost hive. : D
I have to confess that I had never given models like this any thought, and I only subscribed to this channel to support Jazza. I watch every video, and it makes my heart smile to watch y'all get excited about what you love. Thank you!
it's insane this guy paints each element of the model to completion before moving to the next. shows awesome confidence and brush control. great paintjob!
A trick for making metal look more like fabric (for these kinds of wings and for banners, for instance): Thin the edges of the "fabric". Since you can't really see both sides of the fabric at the same time, it's the edge that makes the thickness apparent. Thin that down and the whole thing will look thinner without losing any structural integrity.
A lot of higher level painters back then (especially for fantasy) were into a technique called "panel lining" or "pin striping" which involved priming in black, then carefully leaving it in the recesses, and and building up layers up to the lightest colour. That's probably why you don't remember white spray and washes (or inks as they were called sometimes, they changed the name back and fourth over the years) 40k players however definitely used inks and washes. My mate introduced me to "Flesh wash" in the mid 90's as he was an Imperial Guard player. Since then I always used washes and inks to pick out detail and then we'd use a mix of dry brush and laying techniques to build the colours back up. TBH I only even learned that people used black spray after watching Ork players paint. They always started with black primer, where as we used white for everything back in the day. I started out with Eldar though, and we wanted much lighter looking colours than the Ork players. I mostly use black now as my first base as it makes things a lot easier when leaving hard to reach spaces as shadows. I will then Zenithal on the actual base coat on top of this. I still use rattle cans though, I've still not bought an air brush yet. Now though contrast paints have mostly replaced washes. I do use the citadel shade paints as well, but I use them mostly to actually shade in areas, they're great for this and it's their purpose. A diluted contrast paint makes for some of the best washes on the market these days. I do rate the Secret Weapon washes as well though, but they're older tech and harder to use IMO. They do some amazing colours and some tech paints all in their wash line. Their soft body black is the best thing for shading cloth IMO. and they have this one called "drying blood" which is amazing for having pools of drying blood on bases. The stone wash is gorgeous as well if you want that green tinged stone look (especially great for fantasy bases) We have so many tool now though, I'm sure everyone has their favourites.
I am glad you wrote this, I was just about to point out I use White primer in 1986, as well as Inks and washes. I just wish that at the time I knew to zenethil.
@@Cybermastif yeah zenithal is great. do you use an airbrush? I think it will be the next thing I get, although I could really use a decent vortex mixer as well. If I opt for the slightly cheaper airbrush though I could totally just get both.
The 5th edition Dogs of War that I always wanted but never got was Leopold's Leopard Company. I think I'd be just as excited getting those as you if I got a box of those.
Well done Dave! I had no idea these models existed! You painted them so awesomely too! I also see a lot of comments recommending more deep dives by Dave, I concur! Thanks for a really fun video it’s a great history about minis!
4 min mark, on spray primer colors & washes: Friendly fact check, I think you're wrong here, I 1st started painting around that time, & the standard how-to advice from GW at the time was to prime white. I thought myself so cool that I primed in black instead, which helped me achieve a grimdark style. I also went ham on the wash... particularly the excellent chestnut wash they had at the time. Since I was literally dumb as as brick the only reason I can think of that I would know to use a wash as a wash is GW also had to already be giving out the formula of prime+base+wash+highlight in the boxed set brochures. But as you say, it was a long time ago, & I'm several braincells short compared to back then :D.
Really neat little vid and felt really wholesome seeing Dave get to explore a long time dream to its full. Would be awesome to see more like this, maybe exploring other things that are discontinued or are rare finds in the tabletop gaming community. Ive only been in the hobby a few years but personally I love all the 40k imperial guard regiments and think its a huge shame so many don't exist anymore, so while it may be a foolish mission, I've made it my project to revive many of these regiments in new forms as best I can, its a great feeling when a kitbash actually comes together well and represents the thing you wanted it to exactly as you'd hoped.
Washes were very much around in the 90's, I was using it before these were released. This was somewhere around the time they switched from Coat D'arms over to a company in France, and had the terrible screw top lids. During this mover they went away from washes and moved to inks, but there were a lot of people who mass purchased the wash stock that stores had. They also did have 2 whole undercoat colours, skull white and chaos black. Most people would use black because dark colours hide more sins with minis, where as I was always the skull white rebel who wanted my minis to show everything and have nice bright colours. I think I painted all of the Dogs of War characters whilst they were available, and they were a great addition to the game. I was disappointed when they removed them from the game with the next edition, as fantasy should have regiments of renown and legendary mercenaries for hire. It's great seeing how excited you are painting these! Seeing the passion for an old unit, and hearing how much it impacted you is really cool. I might personally not have any passion for anything GW now (I'm old and bitter about some things) but seeing someone who loves it like this is fantastic! Keep up the good work, and I'd love to see you locate the other units and paint them up.
I had a Warriors of Chaos army with the Bearmen of Urslo. The army was arctic themed, so I painted them up as polar bears. They weren't the best models, sculptwise - they all had one pose and it was, "Hey look, I just bought this cool new hatchet!" - but I loved them and they got a lot of appreciation from other hobbyists.
Great video. I love when people go back over the history of Warhammer as a hobby. If this show continues I’ll have something else to binge as well as Codex Compliant
I loved Dogs of War when they came out. As somebody who has always loved to homebrew new regiments and loved the corners of the Old World, they were a concept that was great for creativity . It's too bad they came out at the end of 5E's life and seems to have never grown, expanded, or changed as the game progressed.
Love how you painted them up in a modern style but using the same colors (at least basically) as the previous owner had used. Never heard of these models before, so it was cool to get a glimpse in to them, even though they probably don't have rules that allow you to use them in games anymore.
I have a box or two of these myself that i got new as a teenager. I believe i have some of the other dogs of war also including the dragon. Easier way to strip minis is a ultra sonic parts cleaner.
I have the pirate dwarves from dogs of war. I thought they were great then and when I look at them today I think I painted them pretty well. I used washes back then and I pin striped their pants. NMM didn't exist then so I did black and dry brushed metallic to make the metal look worn and scratched.
@@MichaelAlthauser I looked it up. Long Drong Slayer's Pirates. I only have like half of them though. The captain, banner holder, drummer, and a couple other.
One Page Rules has some winged scouts for their Duchies of Vinci army. I think they have clawed feet, and one type can come with crossbows and the other with hand claws. They even have a Warmachine that launches them into the air.
Skull White was the OG citadel spray primer. Through the early nineties no-one ever primed black - the paints were more translucent then and you just couldn't have painted over it. That's why 80s and early 90s stuff is always so vibrantly coloured: it's bright, translucent paints over a white base. I feel like chaos black for priming came about in the mid-late nineties, alongside a slightly darker, more brooding painting style.
wow that was really nicely done! i'm 28 and just finding out about tabletop gaming and making mini's is really interesting to me. keep up the great work and thank you for posting. the birdman is cool.
I love these sort-of of deep dives into Warhammer history and would delighted to see more of them. It would be awesome if you could do one of these on Thunder Lizards!
Beautiful job on a wonderful classic model! I have a set of these that I have been afraid of trying to paint and your process has given me some fresh inspiration.
One Page Rules actually sells birdman style models - dudes in Renaissance style artificial wings - as part of their Duchies of Vinci range. They have a bit of a different style than the Birdmen of Contraza, more in line with the rest of the Vinci range, but it captures the same idea. So if anyone wants to have Birdmen, but can't or don't want to use the old Citadel models, there's a modern proxy. You know, for if you want to run a Dogs of War army. Or if you want alternate sculpts for AdMech flyer units. Or simply want them to have them.
Dang, Dave! He looks so incredible! I collect mostly old models, specifically for Mordheim, but the Dogs of War are calling. I've got Vespero's Vendetta so far.
Really like the wings, the detail and bend really made a difference, Now I want deep dives into vintage minis. What hashtag should we start? TTTDives? DaveDives?
About Primer, alot of Models in the early 90s where primed with Skull White. Also washes where even more prominent in the early days, like Armour wash und flesh wash, which was replaced by chestnut ink and black wash, so glazing also was a very popular methos, albeit it was mostly only used by top painters and blending of highlights this way was not very well spread around.
In the old citadel paint set there was bronzed flesh and flesh wash. Both of which were no doubt applied liberally to every unhelmed Space Marine's face. Fantasy was always the bit of Games Workshop you looked at for the cool minis but that 14 year old me ignored and bought more 40k instead. The mini looks cool, need something similar for AoS!
These were one of the Dogs of war I didn't have. Loved my Pirate Slayers though and the Undead with all the different races. I had massive squads of all the different pikemen as well (Leopolds leopards and stuff) also the Duellist ones as well. Loved Dogs of War.
Nice work! I love the canvas look! The cross hatching really steps it up. I would be curious what those models would look like today. I imagine someone has made a similar model with all the miniature sculptors out there
Seeing this video, the first thing I thought was "Darren Latham probably took inspiration from these when he designed the Skitarii flying guys" for the 40K Admech release
wasnt my childhood but was my early 20s, i played magic the gathering at the time and had a friend who played 40k but i never messed with it. except for the techmarine box i won in a raffle during a mini con put on by my local gamestore. but the warhammer thing that would always catch my eye that i never got into and is now gone was battlefleet gothic. they had a nice display with a starfield backdrop and all. and it was right by the door. so when i would go out between rounds of friday night magic to have a smoke i would see it. on occasions i would check it out but never bought any. i had built and painted plastic models during high school, mainly military aircraft, and just wasnt in the model building mood at the time. wasnt until years later on post while in the military that the person i was with was a 40k fan and he ended up getting me into it. and that was when i learned battlefleet gothic had been discontinued. maybe one day ill buy some models and rulebooks for that game.
~4:00 - there was also Skull White back in the day and iirc back in the day both Skull White and Chaos Black were commonly used to undercoat (if anything in 5th ed I think SW was more common due to the style back then favouring a brighter pallet). And washes as we know them today didn’t exist, at least not from GW except for Flesh Wash - fairly sure GW sold inks instead.
Also, if you want to create the illusion of a thin fabric on a thick sculpt, thin the exposed edge with a file to the desired thickness, it will trick the eye into thinking the whole section is that thin
When I finally get around to doing my box, still in the pile of shame, I think I'll try filing down the trailing edge of the wings to give them less of the thick, squared off profile.
I've always loved flying fantasy cultures, too. These are super cool! I kinda appreciate the job that was done on them previously, considering the technical constraints, they looked great too, and well-loved. But, there's no hiding the new paint job takes it to a whole new level... I have an unpopular and perhaps unsophisticated opinion that I think I prefer metal over non-metal, maybe metal slightly jazzed up - and yet, I can appreciate the beautiful work on these. Not that I know anything about anything, but what I do know, is that these are beautiful and inspire to tell stories about those fellas. Also, may i just say, I am really happy about Dave getting to finally achieve his childhood dream-he-almost-forgot. That IS probably the best thing about adulthood.
Would love to see an old warhammer fantasy painting series, get hold of as many Dogs of War models as you can and paint a smorgasbord of weird old school models one episode at a time.
Black didn't become a thing until the 90s, white was all we did prior to that (well, some gray). Washes were inks and used lots at this point, funny how those are back in style as well... Hmm...
It would be pretty cool for you guys to actually play some warhammer fantasy! Get a few units done and have a battle! Doesn't matter what edition (maybe 6th so you can still use your birdmen) would really like to see a revival of that.
Would love to see you do a modern version of this in 3d printed resin, thinner wings and the details that are possible to day! something for jezza to sculpt perhaps and you to paint?
Yeeees! When I suggested the cosplay and then jumping off the roof to test it, this wasn't quite what I had in mind!! But glad to see the idea was used, well done Dave!
Honestly, those were some of the most amazing and inspired warhammer models. I wished they brought them back as dogs of war. I just want mercenarys in AoS haha
I think a basing video with natural easy to get materials would be good! Like with bits of twigs, dirt, sand etc Sometimes basing materials can get a bit pricey!
In a similar vein, but 40k centered, I'd love to see you tackle some Catachan figures/terrain/ what happened to them like this. Those figures have always been my favorite from WH, though they could use an update lol
Awesome stuff. I've been piecing together a Dogs of War collection over the last year or so ever since I got the Golgfag and Al Muktar boxes on ebay for cheap. I love the canvas effect you did on the wings!
I'm sure Jazza wouldn't mind if you made a custom profile for AoS for these and included them in a battle report 😉 maybe make a video on that topic? Making custom units for AoS/other games to be able to use old models like these?
These minis are cool. I have been eyeing the Duchies of Vinci from One Page Rules as they all have that DaVinci feel as they are based on his sketches.
I would love to see you guys tackle some of the 40k metal Inquisitor models. I miss the variety we used to get with those back in the day.
I agree. That would be amazing.
This! Those are probably the single coolest minis GW has released 😅
This should be the start of a video series called "Deep Dives with Dave" 😉
I'm on board for that
So cool! Love seeing old and rare models given such love. Great video.
Thanks! Its amazing how few painted examples of these you can find so I hope it brought them to light for a few people!
As a teenager I dreamed of having a Dogs of War army, but by the time I was old enough to afford one they were long gone.
Love to see these old models get modern paint jobs. It's the best of both worlds.
Likewise. I've been slowly gathering models of the range every time I can manage.
I’ve got almost a complete set of the Dog of War releases. All out of shrink, but never glued or painted and still in their boxes. Didn’t realize they were a “rare” thing that people might want. I might have to hit up the old eBay and pass them along to some folks who are looking for them.
We might see some of those models coming back If GW continues its trend.
Dave’s paint really brings it up to speed and looks amazing, but credit to the original. For a 22yr old paint, it’s not terrible.
I love the idea of deeper dives into minis! I personally don't care what they're about, because the passion y'all have for the minis you're painting is infectious!!
And that painted canvas looks SICK!!
After seven years I finally got models for tyranids to replace a lost 550$ tyranid hive fleet.
Back when I had them, I didn't paint them because my early attempts looked like they'd been savaged by a rainbow in a mud pit, but now I have a proper hive fleet pallet, and a few models under my belt to finally see the creation of Hive Fleet Cetus. Or at the very Least the kill team.
Point being, I understand that itch, dude.
Also, thanks. You guys, and Ninjon drew my attention to puppets war to be able to find the models I'm currently using to replace my long lost hive. : D
3:11 Honestly I would listen to you and a computer narrating the history and lore of Warhammer factions.
Same
Me too
I have to confess that I had never given models like this any thought, and I only subscribed to this channel to support Jazza. I watch every video, and it makes my heart smile to watch y'all get excited about what you love. Thank you!
it's insane this guy paints each element of the model to completion before moving to the next. shows awesome confidence and brush control. great paintjob!
A trick for making metal look more like fabric (for these kinds of wings and for banners, for instance): Thin the edges of the "fabric". Since you can't really see both sides of the fabric at the same time, it's the edge that makes the thickness apparent. Thin that down and the whole thing will look thinner without losing any structural integrity.
Oh, clever!
A lot of higher level painters back then (especially for fantasy) were into a technique called "panel lining" or "pin striping" which involved priming in black, then carefully leaving it in the recesses, and and building up layers up to the lightest colour. That's probably why you don't remember white spray and washes (or inks as they were called sometimes, they changed the name back and fourth over the years)
40k players however definitely used inks and washes. My mate introduced me to "Flesh wash" in the mid 90's as he was an Imperial Guard player. Since then I always used washes and inks to pick out detail and then we'd use a mix of dry brush and laying techniques to build the colours back up.
TBH I only even learned that people used black spray after watching Ork players paint. They always started with black primer, where as we used white for everything back in the day. I started out with Eldar though, and we wanted much lighter looking colours than the Ork players.
I mostly use black now as my first base as it makes things a lot easier when leaving hard to reach spaces as shadows. I will then Zenithal on the actual base coat on top of this. I still use rattle cans though, I've still not bought an air brush yet.
Now though contrast paints have mostly replaced washes. I do use the citadel shade paints as well, but I use them mostly to actually shade in areas, they're great for this and it's their purpose. A diluted contrast paint makes for some of the best washes on the market these days.
I do rate the Secret Weapon washes as well though, but they're older tech and harder to use IMO. They do some amazing colours and some tech paints all in their wash line. Their soft body black is the best thing for shading cloth IMO. and they have this one called "drying blood" which is amazing for having pools of drying blood on bases. The stone wash is gorgeous as well if you want that green tinged stone look (especially great for fantasy bases)
We have so many tool now though, I'm sure everyone has their favourites.
I am glad you wrote this, I was just about to point out I use White primer in 1986, as well as Inks and washes. I just wish that at the time I knew to zenethil.
@@Cybermastif yeah zenithal is great.
do you use an airbrush? I think it will be the next thing I get, although I could really use a decent vortex mixer as well.
If I opt for the slightly cheaper airbrush though I could totally just get both.
I still remember your pure joy when Birdman was unpacked. I'm happy to see that you came back to it!
Awesome adjustments and paint job 😁👍
The 5th edition Dogs of War that I always wanted but never got was Leopold's Leopard Company. I think I'd be just as excited getting those as you if I got a box of those.
The Pikemen that came with the Dogs of War era models were excellent
Well done Dave! I had no idea these models existed! You painted them so awesomely too! I also see a lot of comments recommending more deep dives by Dave, I concur! Thanks for a really fun video it’s a great history about minis!
Glad you liked it! Thanks
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant 🥰 nothing but joy seeing the beautiful transformation. So proud of you guys!
More historical Warhammer stuff please!! I was hovering over this channel, thinking of subscribing and a look at the history of it sold me. Loved it!
4 min mark, on spray primer colors & washes: Friendly fact check, I think you're wrong here, I 1st started painting around that time, & the standard how-to advice from GW at the time was to prime white. I thought myself so cool that I primed in black instead, which helped me achieve a grimdark style. I also went ham on the wash... particularly the excellent chestnut wash they had at the time. Since I was literally dumb as as brick the only reason I can think of that I would know to use a wash as a wash is GW also had to already be giving out the formula of prime+base+wash+highlight in the boxed set brochures.
But as you say, it was a long time ago, & I'm several braincells short compared to back then :D.
Could you do a video or a few videos to help people get started in the hobby? Like what materials to get etc.
Definitely enjoyed the deep dive into older Warhammer. Please do more of this😊
mad probs for doing nmm, feels faithful to the model somehow, the paint job looks even more incredible in the side by side
Really neat little vid and felt really wholesome seeing Dave get to explore a long time dream to its full. Would be awesome to see more like this, maybe exploring other things that are discontinued or are rare finds in the tabletop gaming community. Ive only been in the hobby a few years but personally I love all the 40k imperial guard regiments and think its a huge shame so many don't exist anymore, so while it may be a foolish mission, I've made it my project to revive many of these regiments in new forms as best I can, its a great feeling when a kitbash actually comes together well and represents the thing you wanted it to exactly as you'd hoped.
Ooooo i would love more videos like this. Learn some of that forgotten knowledge lost in time.
Very nice deep dive, and excellent paint job.
Washes were very much around in the 90's, I was using it before these were released. This was somewhere around the time they switched from Coat D'arms over to a company in France, and had the terrible screw top lids. During this mover they went away from washes and moved to inks, but there were a lot of people who mass purchased the wash stock that stores had. They also did have 2 whole undercoat colours, skull white and chaos black. Most people would use black because dark colours hide more sins with minis, where as I was always the skull white rebel who wanted my minis to show everything and have nice bright colours.
I think I painted all of the Dogs of War characters whilst they were available, and they were a great addition to the game. I was disappointed when they removed them from the game with the next edition, as fantasy should have regiments of renown and legendary mercenaries for hire.
It's great seeing how excited you are painting these! Seeing the passion for an old unit, and hearing how much it impacted you is really cool. I might personally not have any passion for anything GW now (I'm old and bitter about some things) but seeing someone who loves it like this is fantastic! Keep up the good work, and I'd love to see you locate the other units and paint them up.
I had a Warriors of Chaos army with the Bearmen of Urslo. The army was arctic themed, so I painted them up as polar bears. They weren't the best models, sculptwise - they all had one pose and it was, "Hey look, I just bought this cool new hatchet!" - but I loved them and they got a lot of appreciation from other hobbyists.
They had citadel Inks way back in the day. Slightly different than washes, but served a similar role.
Very cool to see these classic Dogs of War, it was a glorious era for Warhammer!
Great video. I love when people go back over the history of Warhammer as a hobby. If this show continues I’ll have something else to binge as well as Codex Compliant
I loved Dogs of War when they came out. As somebody who has always loved to homebrew new regiments and loved the corners of the Old World, they were a concept that was great for creativity . It's too bad they came out at the end of 5E's life and seems to have never grown, expanded, or changed as the game progressed.
Oooh, hell yeah classic models!
I know the feeling with Dogs of War, I wanted a Dogs army really bad as a teenager, but all of my mates just wated to play 40k
Love how you painted them up in a modern style but using the same colors (at least basically) as the previous owner had used. Never heard of these models before, so it was cool to get a glimpse in to them, even though they probably don't have rules that allow you to use them in games anymore.
"Oh you are filming something" 🤣🤣🤣
I’d love to try modeling one in Blender sometime. Try 3d printing one to use as an artificer in D&D
Yes, more pseud-deep dives please. That's a really nice repainted Birdman you've got yourself there.
I have a box or two of these myself that i got new as a teenager. I believe i have some of the other dogs of war also including the dragon. Easier way to strip minis is a ultra sonic parts cleaner.
I have lots of the old pewter minis from the 90s. My family is full of painters and I’m so happy I’m able to have them in my army
I have the pirate dwarves from dogs of war. I thought they were great then and when I look at them today I think I painted them pretty well. I used washes back then and I pin striped their pants. NMM didn't exist then so I did black and dry brushed metallic to make the metal look worn and scratched.
Long Drong Slayer's something something, right?
@@MichaelAlthauser yea something like that :)
@@MichaelAlthauser I looked it up. Long Drong Slayer's Pirates. I only have like half of them though. The captain, banner holder, drummer, and a couple other.
The grids on those wings... absolutely next level stuff, Dave.
One Page Rules has some winged scouts for their Duchies of Vinci army. I think they have clawed feet, and one type can come with crossbows and the other with hand claws. They even have a Warmachine that launches them into the air.
That was the Time i started the Hobby and been in it since then... Always love The Dogs of War! Especially the Birdman and the Lost Legion
I really like the new pose, it's very dynamic
Skull White was the OG citadel spray primer. Through the early nineties no-one ever primed black - the paints were more translucent then and you just couldn't have painted over it. That's why 80s and early 90s stuff is always so vibrantly coloured: it's bright, translucent paints over a white base.
I feel like chaos black for priming came about in the mid-late nineties, alongside a slightly darker, more brooding painting style.
And yes we had washes in the 90s! Flesh wash and chestnut wash went on everything!
I loved all of the Dogs of War, the Slayer Pirates all of it. This faction was the least fleshed out and the one I wanted the most.
wow that was really nicely done! i'm 28 and just finding out about tabletop gaming and making mini's is really interesting to me. keep up the great work and thank you for posting. the birdman is cool.
I love these sort-of of deep dives into Warhammer history and would delighted to see more of them. It would be awesome if you could do one of these on Thunder Lizards!
The Birdmen are my own holy grail mini as well. Absolutely love them.
Those birdmen are brilliant and you really painted this guy perfectly!
Great to see pre-loved models get a new lease on life!
Can confirm as someone who used to paint warhammer back in the early 90s, we also had Skull White spray cans
I really love all of these dorky intros, they're fun, creative and just give me so much joy.
Dogs of war was always so sweet to see in white dwarf, i always wanted a unit of long drongs pirate slayers. Insane pirate dwarfs, what's not to love
Beautiful job on a wonderful classic model! I have a set of these that I have been afraid of trying to paint and your process has given me some fresh inspiration.
I had a go at Warhammer Fantasy with my awesome dwarves, but had no opponents back then. Sadly, I sold them years ago. Neat to see these models again.
One Page Rules actually sells birdman style models - dudes in Renaissance style artificial wings - as part of their Duchies of Vinci range. They have a bit of a different style than the Birdmen of Contraza, more in line with the rest of the Vinci range, but it captures the same idea.
So if anyone wants to have Birdmen, but can't or don't want to use the old Citadel models, there's a modern proxy. You know, for if you want to run a Dogs of War army. Or if you want alternate sculpts for AdMech flyer units. Or simply want them to have them.
I had the same reaction finding some Birdmen in a bag of minis in a charity shop for £7. Definitely need to paint one up!!
Dang, Dave! He looks so incredible! I collect mostly old models, specifically for Mordheim, but the Dogs of War are calling. I've got Vespero's Vendetta so far.
That was awesome seeing some history of warhammer brought out this way.
Really like the wings, the detail and bend really made a difference, Now I want deep dives into vintage minis. What hashtag should we start? TTTDives? DaveDives?
This kid of content is nice and wouldn't mind seeing more of this or some dungeons and dragons stuff.
That wing bending made it look immediately more dynamic looking. and the canvas looked very 'chef's kiss'
3:11, i would love to watch you sit and talk about warhammer history actually, please go on
This was so cool! Would love to see you give new life to old minis again.
About Primer, alot of Models in the early 90s where primed with Skull White. Also washes where even more prominent in the early days, like Armour wash und flesh wash, which was replaced by chestnut ink and black wash, so glazing also was a very popular methos, albeit it was mostly only used by top painters and blending of highlights this way was not very well spread around.
In the old citadel paint set there was bronzed flesh and flesh wash. Both of which were no doubt applied liberally to every unhelmed Space Marine's face. Fantasy was always the bit of Games Workshop you looked at for the cool minis but that 14 year old me ignored and bought more 40k instead. The mini looks cool, need something similar for AoS!
It was Chaos Black or Skull White for base coats, while washes were inks or watered down paints.
These were one of the Dogs of war I didn't have. Loved my Pirate Slayers though and the Undead with all the different races. I had massive squads of all the different pikemen as well (Leopolds leopards and stuff) also the Duellist ones as well. Loved Dogs of War.
Nice work! I love the canvas look! The cross hatching really steps it up. I would be curious what those models would look like today. I imagine someone has made a similar model with all the miniature sculptors out there
Seeing this video, the first thing I thought was "Darren Latham probably took inspiration from these when he designed the Skitarii flying guys" for the 40K Admech release
wasnt my childhood but was my early 20s, i played magic the gathering at the time and had a friend who played 40k but i never messed with it. except for the techmarine box i won in a raffle during a mini con put on by my local gamestore.
but the warhammer thing that would always catch my eye that i never got into and is now gone was battlefleet gothic. they had a nice display with a starfield backdrop and all. and it was right by the door. so when i would go out between rounds of friday night magic to have a smoke i would see it. on occasions i would check it out but never bought any.
i had built and painted plastic models during high school, mainly military aircraft, and just wasnt in the model building mood at the time.
wasnt until years later on post while in the military that the person i was with was a 40k fan and he ended up getting me into it. and that was when i learned battlefleet gothic had been discontinued. maybe one day ill buy some models and rulebooks for that game.
~4:00 - there was also Skull White back in the day and iirc back in the day both Skull White and Chaos Black were commonly used to undercoat (if anything in 5th ed I think SW was more common due to the style back then favouring a brighter pallet). And washes as we know them today didn’t exist, at least not from GW except for Flesh Wash - fairly sure GW sold inks instead.
Btw, now you need to follow up with all the other RoR. ;)
Also, if you want to create the illusion of a thin fabric on a thick sculpt, thin the exposed edge with a file to the desired thickness, it will trick the eye into thinking the whole section is that thin
This is a cool video, I love the way you've repainted using modern techniques, and seing a bunch in different colours would be cool.
When I finally get around to doing my box, still in the pile of shame, I think I'll try filing down the trailing edge of the wings to give them less of the thick, squared off profile.
I am incredibly gratified to see the Birdmen video! Superb work!!
I've always loved flying fantasy cultures, too. These are super cool! I kinda appreciate the job that was done on them previously, considering the technical constraints, they looked great too, and well-loved. But, there's no hiding the new paint job takes it to a whole new level... I have an unpopular and perhaps unsophisticated opinion that I think I prefer metal over non-metal, maybe metal slightly jazzed up - and yet, I can appreciate the beautiful work on these. Not that I know anything about anything, but what I do know, is that these are beautiful and inspire to tell stories about those fellas. Also, may i just say, I am really happy about Dave getting to finally achieve his childhood dream-he-almost-forgot. That IS probably the best thing about adulthood.
Would love to see an old warhammer fantasy painting series, get hold of as many Dogs of War models as you can and paint a smorgasbord of weird old school models one episode at a time.
This is so Nice. Going on and old walkdown and applying new technics. Keep it up buddy!
Ah nostalgia! The Dogs of War release issue was the first WD I bought, the year I got into warhammer!
Black didn't become a thing until the 90s, white was all we did prior to that (well, some gray). Washes were inks and used lots at this point, funny how those are back in style as well... Hmm...
My young young friend…😅😜
Inks and washes did exist, and had, for a long time in 5th. And we all used them👍
Great video 👍
Awesome stuff, love the canvas effect. Simple but really adds that extra depth to the wings
It would be pretty cool for you guys to actually play some warhammer fantasy! Get a few units done and have a battle! Doesn't matter what edition (maybe 6th so you can still use your birdmen) would really like to see a revival of that.
I really felt that “three points of contact” comment. #alsoold That was a stunning paint job!
Would love to see you do a modern version of this in 3d printed resin, thinner wings and the details that are possible to day! something for jezza to sculpt perhaps and you to paint?
It was great to see the old dogs of war minis again. I have always wanted Tichi-Huichi's Raiders
Yeeees! When I suggested the cosplay and then jumping off the roof to test it, this wasn't quite what I had in mind!! But glad to see the idea was used, well done Dave!
The birdmen were one of the few forces that I keep wanting...but they're so expensive now.
I miss WFB. I still have a unit of Long Drong Slayer Pirates. I would love to see more of warhammer fantasy
Honestly, those were some of the most amazing and inspired warhammer models. I wished they brought them back as dogs of war. I just want mercenarys in AoS haha
I think a basing video with natural easy to get materials would be good! Like with bits of twigs, dirt, sand etc
Sometimes basing materials can get a bit pricey!
The new paint job is incredible. Super cool to see how you overcame the limitations of the model itself.
Uh that one gave me warm feelings in my gut. What great models they were!
In a similar vein, but 40k centered, I'd love to see you tackle some Catachan figures/terrain/ what happened to them like this. Those figures have always been my favorite from WH, though they could use an update lol
Awesome stuff. I've been piecing together a Dogs of War collection over the last year or so ever since I got the Golgfag and Al Muktar boxes on ebay for cheap.
I love the canvas effect you did on the wings!
Possibly a bit earlier (early to mid-nineties) everyone primed in white in my memory, Black prime came later and now we've gone full circle
Its probably also super based on local communities and friend circles. My local was 100% 'prime black' everyone did it
I'm sure Jazza wouldn't mind if you made a custom profile for AoS for these and included them in a battle report 😉 maybe make a video on that topic? Making custom units for AoS/other games to be able to use old models like these?
These minis are cool. I have been eyeing the Duchies of Vinci from One Page Rules as they all have that DaVinci feel as they are based on his sketches.
Many of the old models are still hold up but people rarely see them done with some modern techniques
I've always loved the Dogs of War, and the Birdmen of Catrazza in particular after I was given one trooper as a gift