BBE 882i Sonic Maximizer: Excitement Of Sound Enhancement
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- While Mario's magic mushrooms literally maximized his size in the popular platform games, Sonic had no tool to actually double his size. He did however, have a forcefield, which worked to the same effect. The BBE 882i Sonic Maximizer is like that extra hit for your sound, and in this demonstration, Bill Holland plugs in a drum machine to show how this amazing unit makes you seem louder, yet clearer. Many a unit can easily do one or the other, but both?
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Wow, such a great yet old ass video! I've had a 482i sitting in my rack for years now and never thought to run my electronic's through it. The sound it gave my microkorg and drumbrute are amazing, ty for this!
I use to have one of these, for vocals. I miss it so much and my warm ass 1970s electrovoice mixer.
By the way is it a 15db max Eq boost on the two points which is too extreme around 12:00, the magic happens and after you get used to the enhancement you will not turn it off unless you really do like having blankets over your speakers and mud low end. By all means go out and get a graphic and parametric EQ and believe you are matching this unit, you will end up screwing up your sound more than help it. Turn on the BBE knobs at 12:00 and presto done deal. Sounds better and no tweaking madness.
Yes, it works well on a solid state amp. I use this on all of my tube amp heads, as well as my solid state Hughes and Kettner Vortex combo (I use it in the studio because of its clean tone). It is literally like day and night. Try and send it through an effects loop though if you can.
@yinyang0203
It shifts the phase very slightly of frequencies to stop them distorting each other. the net result is a very clear wider sound.
Hey guys, it's not like an EQ - it fixes the phase of the signal so that the frequencies of the instrument reach your ear in the correct order. It does what an EQ could never do. You have to hear it live to understand.
Good video, we have a BBe Maximizer, we are so used to having our sound clear now!
Wow I need that! That's the magic I've been looking for! Broadcast quality ham radio!!
update, I've bought a used BBE sonic maximizer and it works great! the magic is over the airwaves now! every time i'm on the radio and when i talk to people they always ask what i'm running and the magician never tells their secrets!
The sonic maximizer worked magic. I had some tracks that had alot going on. The mixs just weren't what I was after plus i was having some phase shift issues. All i really had to do was turn everything down then ran a compressor to this product and Wallah, instant perfection! Definitely not snake oil like i hear some people say, they probably just aren't using it right.
45 plus yrs of bass playing here.
I'm using this with my Alembic
Just ran the Maximizer through a pair of Roland FFP single 15" combo amps in my living room.
(I use the Alembic in stereo)
Bottom line- it was if I added a Twin Turbo to my Alembic.
I am blown away at the difference..
Alembics are great, goes without say, however, I'm of the opinion the bass is missing some chunk due to the 34" scale and narrow neck.
The Maximizer throws every frequency in your face --- with authority.
I'll never leave home without it..
@yinyang0203 In a sense it is.My BBE462 manual stated that it splits the lo's/mid's/highs by milliseconds,fattening up the signal.These are great units if you use the proper 1 for your situation.The 462 was awesome for me as a guitarist.Worked well on a stereo system.
Plug this unit between a tube guitar preamp and tube power amp and see what it does.You'll be impressed.
I just bought the 482i about 3 weeks ago! ;) for my guitar rig.
Imagine if they had used it when recording the audio for this video.. The background noise would have sounded much prettier hahahah
ozskipper hahahahaha
Good video!!!! I have the same maxinizer for my mobile Dj setup and I love it it does make a diffrence!
BBE processing is fundamentally different than boosting or cutting EQ. Basically, it splits a signal into three frequency bands, delays the mids and delays the lows a bit more. This counteracts poor speaker design, or speakers using a single sized driver (guitar cabinets for instance). A mid scoop adds a different flavor of clarity, not because it's time-shifted like in the BB process, it's just removed entirely.
i have heard this with the jbl eon series and it is awesome. i will be getting one very soon!
@furr0ci0us
strange.
An enhancer/sonic maximizer is NOT equal to an EQ.
an enhancer adds new octaves(low or high) of existing frequencies. you can control the volume of those octaves.(thats why the volume is harder). An eq only changes the volume of existing frequencies and does not adds new frequencies.
SRS is a company that makes plug-ins (like the SRS wow plug-in for windows media player)
I have the VST version. I like using it on everything
@yin
youre right...but the sound will be tighter and more controlled... ;)
Its not a pure boost. Phase shifted...
The demo starts at 2:09.
the music sounds like the intro music for the dharma initative orientation videos
I use it after an Alesis PEQ 450 parametric EQ in this stting it's a fubulous mastering tool.
this would be great for mic'd cabinets, i might have to grab this.
@yinyang0203 The thing that makes it distinct from just boosting highs and lows is that if you just equalize, the lows are still being pumped out at the same time as the highs, but if you're listening to music live, those highs hit you just milliseconds quicker than the lows, the maximizer kicks out the lows out of phase and just behind the highs, so it's not all one muddy mush being pumped out at the same time, but there's the same 3-dimesnional depth as live. Make sense?
Just bought one new for $50. I'm excited!
Is it worth buying? I'm a DJ and I'm interested in improving sound quality at my events. Thanks.
@skywalker3012 If there are frequencies that are noticably out of phase, then yes, correction would make a significant amount of difference, depending on how much the waveforms are out. Just get your favourite DAW, find an audio sample, and disalign it by a few ms, most of the time (Depending on the frequency), you'll hear some sort of audio loss. Just whack a VST maximiser on it and hear it sing. Any phase correction software/hardware will do though.
This is a message to all :)
You can say that about everything.. How is different? It sounds different because what it does is different. For what it does, it'll sound much better than trying to replicate the effect using EQ - more natural I guess would be one way of putting it.
@SJP444 - Thats the difference between a pro sound engineer and an amateur. They will not use any effect or box really on EVERY song the same unless they suck. For mastering there is some things run on all, but if you do it right you would only use it where needed, and in other areas you will use tube pre's or other tube rack mount gear to give it that warm feeling in areas. So basically its just a tool, just like a guitar, you dont generally play only guitar for the whole album. Its moderation
If you’re into rock you will play guitar the whole album .
As a DJ I use it to clarify the bass and the mid range and high range. I still use an equalizer but I do like the ability to control the clarity
Doesn’t this scoop out and soften the mids
how does it work when you have 2 subs and 4 top speakers? can it even them out to phase all at the same time?
I use this in a chain in my mic line wow it's amazing
The signal used in this video does not really demonstrate the effect. The problem is that the high/low/mid parts of the signal are actually tied to the separate instruments, like the high hat (treble) or kick drum (bass). When the maximizer changes the timing between low and high frequencies, this translates to some offset between snare and kick, which you can't really hear. Maybe there is something there, but it's not apparent at this encoding quality.
@KaslarProductions Sound travels through the air at the same speed, regardless of the frequency. It is however, the frequency that defines how the waveform interacts with the medium with which it is travelling. Lower frequencies are less likely to be affected by air and all the other particles in it (Dust, smoke etc), and tend to reach the target first should there be a situation where the higher frequencies are interupted for whatever reason.
@mangenkyu Compressors squish the sound and push out making it sound louder. The maximizer just takes the sound.. and amplifies the frequencies more than an EQ can. Ive played with it on the guitar and with DAW's.
Hard to believe a device that can make a pair of JBL Control 1 Plus speakers with no subwoofer sound close enough (and in some ways better) to a pair of JBL Control 10's running off the same QSC duel-mono 3200 series 400w amp and causes a blind folded piano tuner/musician to question which one sounds better has taken so many decades to reach the awareness of the general public. While there are other solutions high-end audio buffs will strive for there is nothing I know of for the price can that improve the clarity of sound. A low-cost solution to a complex problem that works.
I love how he still seems dissatisfied with the sound at one point and says "notice if I turn the lows and the highs up--", and he tries to turn the knob and they're already at max.
Good Review!!!!!!!
@jbealsmusic Low,Mid,and Hi frequencies travel through the air at different speeds. This will compensate for that.
@MCSKEPTICAL559 Of course it works. For everything. That's why people use it.
This is not a true bypass circuit and does not claim to be so, yes. the "out" is not like your true dry signal. Issue is most of use it "on" so that is a moot point for me. When used correctly it is a marvelous unit. I use a 382i on both my guitar synth rig and my std guitar pedalboard rig. This is not a mere EQ so do not pay attention to these other cats. Just as it states when frequency analyzed and according to the BBE specs. It has a bell curve EQ bump at 50hz and 5khz, and the phase inversion correction is taking place as stated. No EQ phase inverts like the BBE. The unit works and if you play guitar it will improve your sound. Using it correctly is a must and so simply use it badly mismatching the impedance for line or instrument, placing the unit in the wrong place and overtly cranking the levels. Keep them around 12:00 and get this as close to your power amp as possible last in chain. I am not a fan of the floor pedal which may be bypass, not sure but it tends to make users place it in the wrong placement and crank the knobs like an effects pedal, which it is not.
I am running kemper profiler through an art sla2 to power my guitar cab. I have alot of patches that sound great,but do you think this thing will open up the sound a bit more? The sla2 seems to really compress alot of the tone. I'm trying to get close to a resonance control or find some other way to mimic a tube warmth. Thanks
Besides all the problems in the video already mentioned, it's hard to evaluate the device when the audio is getting louder...
IDK wtf this thing does but I can tell you that the VST fucking rocks! When I get a PA Im going to by one of these shits!
@KaslarProductions PS - If you would have continued your "research", you would have found that the sonic difference from the "phase realignment process" is inaudible. The difference people are hearing when using this unit is only apparent when they use the front panel controls. The front panel controls do nothing more than basic EQ shaping. Even if you don't research any more than the link you gave me, at least continue reading the rebuttal posts in that very same thread.
it will work great!
@KaslarProductions PPS - If you don't believe me, read the actual specs of the unit to see what it does, not what this video (or some random forum writer) says it does.
bbesound com/products/manuals/882_manual.pdf
O Wowwwwwwwww I love it!!!
Ok I Have This Hooked Up To My Bass Head , Threw My Effects Send N Return ~ Ok When I Play The Lights Don't Blink ~ Are They Supposed To Blink ?
Hook up should be easy.You'll figure it out.Let me know if you get to use one in your set up and what you think.
How is this anything other than a basic compressor/limiter with a fancy name ?
He explained it in the beginning, the "enhancer" circuit was designed to fix envelope distortion. As a compressor, this thing is actually kind of lousy, engineers like it because of the way it colors tone. It's just mojo man
@evilsnakes1
"...FLAT-PANEL TVS..."
Once SRS has a 30 percent market share of enhancers in the pro audio plugins market, I'll be impressed. There's a reason it's in TVs and not in the hands of audio engineers.
Well, believe it. A friend of mine wanted me to set up his bass tone a couple of days back, and he had an eq as well as the BBE. I asked him why he had the BBE, and he said, "I dunno, I just bought it cause I saw some bass player with a good tone using it."
It doesn't but you can easily get a scooped tone if you use too much of both the Lo-Contour and the Process.
Thank you for post this video.Could you do the same with a shred guitar maybe ,so we can hear the harmonics?
@KaslarProductions Yes, this phenomenon exists. It's a difference of only a few milliseconds and even with compensation the difference is virtually inaudible to the human ear. That "time-shift" is not frequencies travelling through the air at different speeds as you originally claimed. Perhaps you should keep studying and learning how this stuff works rather than taking the first thing you think supports your argument (whether you understand it or not) and posting it here.
Awesome review
@yinyang0203 It fixes any of the frequencies that become out of phase while EQ boosts or cuts a specfic frequency.
The fx-loop of course.
Okay so... high harmonics fall out of phase with the fundamental and first few harmonics and this lines them back up so that they don't overload the system?...but if you're putting the harmonics back in phase, it'll just get louder...sooo... that can't be the use for it, can it? Also, you'd think that if he was adjusting the phase of harmonics and not just tweaking an EQ, you'd hear some phasing occur... wouldn't you?
@yinyang0203 this thing is weird, you have to actually play with it to hear the difference. All I will say is dont play through a clean channel without it. It just makes notes jump out of the amp. Not a huge fan of it through a distorted guitar channel though
i like it
Just curious if you still recommend it for DJs.
@furr0ci0us
right, no question that exciters/enhancers have been hotly debated since they arrived on the scene. no doubt there are many out there, "purists" I call them, that see no worth in them claim they do nothing they cant do with a good parametric. fact is, they are standard kit for good reason and i do not believe that whatever work you have been involved with doesn't master with them, outboard or vst/rtas/whatever. you probably think you can achieve noise canceling with your eq too.
how does it compate to the "aphex exciter"?
So basically it's just a graphic equaliser with 2 bands ! ?
Ya,those are $600 bucks and up.Nice units but I'm not certain they split the lows/mids/highs pn the same respect the Maximiser does.That has to be a patented design.Well,obviously I'm not selling anything.Just suggesting if you get the opportunity give a maximizer a run through.I had the 462 and it was great.
This guy says that the dry signal isn't really dry.
I can hear the clarity..in the highs......how is this different from an EQ?
PLEASE upload in full hd, if you're doing audio demo's? you need resolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was 2008.
hi thank you for your guidance, why the lights of my sonic maximizer goes all the way up till almost clipping red led , with power up or down? I did set up my equipment like this; from mixer to, equalizer to ,sonic maximizer, to cross over , to power amplifiers thank you.
Edgar.
hi !! I bought a keyboard kurzweil forte. The tones are very good, but a little "cold" Do you know if the sonic maximizer could improve the tone of this keyboard ? (pianos, organs..)
thanks a lot
@ShredCorpse all this is is a two band equalizer, and it just scoops the mids. that's the last thing you wanna do if you're playing with a band.
you really need a lot of extra things. just keep the mids up.
@yinyang0203 as sophisticated as my car stereo
@bpcworship a graphic eq is basically eqing ya speakers and the knobs on the boards that's connected to ya mics r controling mic eq. it's mad confusing hire an audio engineer 2 eq ya speakers properly. once u eq the speakers u shouldn't have 2 mess wit em no more
how can i hook this up to the mixer board for studio application, i have the bbe unimax 401 ,at the back there is 2 1/4 jack and 1 xlr on each in and output ?Any 2 cents from anybody would be good, thanks.
Like an effects loop on the back of my guitar amp?
If this is somethis that is an EQ for dummies, is it something thar could help in a church application where I have untrained volunteers operating the board? A full 15 or 30 band EQ seems imposing for our application. Thoughts?
How do I keep my maximizer from almost clipping? I have my music pretty low or not too high and it’s almost clipping, I run it from mixer to maximizer then crossover then to my amps. I set all my levels to 12 o clock or U, does it have more to do with my eq on the mixer or is it something else? I’d appreciate if someone who know could answer my question, it’s a great product I really love it but I’m concerned when my music is pretty soft and already the maximizer is getting past 0 almost clipping.
What is the difference between this model and the one before????
I fail to see how this is any different than a limiter with EQ. Could someone explain?
No, But they have one with a built in crossover though.....
Ever hear it used solely on vocals in a live application? If the signal was being processed prior to it reaching the board, would it still work? If it would, would this be beneficial to use before or after an effects processor in the loop? Thanks for any help with those questions.
can this be used for a home entertainment system? I've got some less than awesome speakers, and the receiver is a dumb ass, so it doesn't do a very good job of sending the right frequencies to the right speakers. the lows are muddy, the highs, and mids are not very clear, and worst of all if a song, or noise has a lot of bass I can hear the front position speakers crackle, and buzz even at very low volumes. maybe the speakers are blown? can the maximizer be used for home entertainment set ups?
would it work to put this behind the mixer in my drum cage to send to the sound man with his huge board..he has a driverack up there too...is that gonna kill it?
Anyone know of another good Signal Processor guitar rack mount. diff brand? Also, what is the real difference between 882i and 482i
im gettin one
@ mrfacephone..,what took you so long?!
"When these complex relationships pass through a speaker, the proper order is lost. The higher frequencies are delayed.
A lower frequency may reach the listener's ear first or perhaps simultaneously with that of a higher frequency. In some
cases, the fundamental components may be so time-shifted that they reach the listener's ear ahead of some or all of
the harmonic components. " nuff said
How can you use maximize if play with external crossover?
can i just put my stereo signal in this ? left and right? will it still be stereo?
i have a marshall mg250dfx 2x12
its a 230 watt solid state and i was wondering if this would work on it
@KaslarProductions Ummm... No. Please re-attend Physics 101. That's impossible. Practically speaking, all the clips I've heard from this thing and I still don't hear any differences that can't be done with a standard EQ and a limiter.
These are my turd polisher! I run a sp1200, ensoniq samplers, and tape machines thru the thing and it fattens it up an smooths out all the chaos I have going on... so I wouldn't say I use it for mastering, more in production and +20db!!! Ridiculous compared to the volume I had available before I got the 882i. Great machines but let's not talk to much about it. You'll make the price jump
I’m a dj....just brought this product to add to my dj equipment. Problem I have is I don’t know how to incorporate into my dj set up. My Eq is connected to my mixer and into both inputs into my amp. I don’t have any inputs left in the amp to connect my maximizer. In the manual it says you can add it to Eq....but not sure how to do it....am I missing something ?
If you have this model it should have a XLR Input & Output. That being said. It first starts with your mixer, then your EQ, then the Maximizer then into you crossover equipment if you have it then to your amps.
Go rent one and try it out anyway so you know what it does and if that salesman was just being a salesman.You know how salesman are.
appreciate the demo .. but ease back on the commentary, we are keen to the hear the unit in-situ
Sonic bbe maximazer possible use base or sub?
@NLGuppy
This goes back to my original point. If you're using this to add other frequencies, you're going to crash into the frequencies that the other band members are using. If you're just playing at home by yourself, sure, scoop the crap out of your signal. Otherwise, you're going to muddy up the whole sound. Guitars are in the mids.
lol, SRS is not a professional audio company. It's for noobs who just want things to kinda sound better on their computer, and don't know how to otherwise.
how to connect to the crossover
This wouldnt cut out mids whould it?
it's not a phase correction!
como se conecta me podrías decir porfa y eso puede sustituir el crosover o nop
I like your review and can definitely hear a difference but won't an EQ that scoops the mids and accentuates the highs and lows do essentially the same thing?