The reason for that is the way the preliminary battles were set up. There were two battles going on at the same time. Which is why you might hear the same songs in a different battle. It cut the battle time down by half. Giving enough time for cyphers and stuff.
they should but i say that considern that this is a dance expressing the music and the aspect of musicality is the most important part as in evry othr dance
Gamblers were appreciated for their big moves, but there were other crews that day that had better rhythm riding and detail in the way they danced to the music.
Gamblers did awesome, but crazy moves can be appreciated by EVERYONE, that's the point, those moves are crowd pleasers. Only hardcore dancers in a genre, can appreciate every little detail, step, sweep, change in facial expression, speed, manifestation of what to picture when executing every movement, be it fluidity, tensing up in the right time, etc.
They are appreciated for their moves, people thought Gamblers won for their moves, so I AGREE AGREE WITH YOU they were appreciated, now if you say "Gamblers were appreciated for their BEST footwork and toprocks," then we would actually have a disagreement, but you have yet to have said that yet.
WHOA, I didn't know it was a girl. I've never seen a bgirl with that much upper body strength and control. She hits the freezes and movements, solid too.
Aside from the first guy for gamblers did any of them do decent solo throwdowns? Just cheap routines and aggressive floor tactics. Path... the routines were good i'll grant them. However I thought the highlight was the solo starting from 0:48. You don't see something that awesome so often.
i'd say i agree, i'm not even sure what i meant to say now, reading my past comment. more like that ichigeki are the best freestylers cuz they can incorporate anything it seems to what they feel. no constraints. something more like that
most battles have almost nothing to do with working together. using routines/commandos just makes it look like the weaker members are hiding behind the routine. the only thing that the crew has to do thats together is support each other (ex: starting a soul clap or hyping up the crowd) and let the individual bboys rock that shit.
They would if Gamblers would stop doing crowd pleasing routines. This is supposed to be about circles and breaking which is inherently different than "You got served". You might note, in that film the actual breakers only turned up at the end to do solos.
I agree, they are prevalent these days and all bboy crews do them to ensure they win. This is what concerns me about judging though. Judges have a huge influence on how people dance cause crews want to win tourneys. I don't think Judges really appreciate the power they have. That's why a lot of breakers don't do odd stuff or risky moves because objective judging favours standard bboying, execution and cleanliness. I worry that crews do routines not cause they want to but cause they want to win.
My comment said, "crazy moves can be appreciated by EVERONE." You're replying to me like you're disagreeing, but your comment agrees with what I said anyway. I'm just saying that for those to appreciate the dance details of how to ride the music, can only happen by hardcore dancers, not just regular spectators, whereas big moves, can be appreciated by both the hardcore dancer, and the spectator. I think you misunderstood my comment.
most of the crowd would be breakers who started third to fourth generation, from the 90's through 2000, but the qualified judges may be guys from the 80's, or knew and hung out with/breaked and learned, from second generation bboys. You said, all the hardcore dancers appreciated Gamblers. I replied by saying yes, Gamblers were appreciated by the hardcore dancers for their big moves. So I'm not even disagreeing with you,
When I started breaking back in 2000 breaking wasn't about big shows, wasn't about big routines, it was about solos. Then something happened about 2004 and now you can't win events if you don't have routines. This gamblers crew represents almost everything I hate about modern breaking, I appreciate their technique but they should drop the routines and learn how to solo, how to innovate.
Since when does doing crazy "stuffs" become more important in dancing than ...dancing to the music?? This is dancing. "Crazy stuffs" is more important in tricking, gymnastics, or the circus. You don't have to know a lot about dance to understand crazy moves, you just see a big move and most everyone just says "wow!" EVeryone gets it, it looks amazing.
sorry but dance is expression and while doing great technical moves is an achievement, ichigeki's members are the best bboys in the world at breaking to music using whatever methods, often inventive, they please cuz they're just that damn good..
The only thing I said, was that there are other crews who can do foundation better than GAmblers, but the reason people would pick Gamblers is because they have bigger and crazier blowups. Yes, the crowd of real bboys may have thought Gamblers won, but tell me why? Can you honestly say, "Gamblers won because they had stronger foundational footwork, and better toprocks?"
No, you said it yourself, it's because they do "crazy stuff" and that is appreciated by EVERYONE, that means, the regular spectator, and those who are real bboys and bgirls. Now can you say that, say, "Gamblers won because they had stronger footwork." You can't right, because it isn't true. But, I agree they are crazy good, because of their big moves, and that's what we agree on, there's nothing we're disagreeing here about,
Bboys, not breakdancers, there is a big difference. I never said Gamblers shouldn't have won, I didn't say Gamblers weren't appreciated, why do you keep replying to me like I said that. Read my comments again, I said Gamblers were appreciated. Were you there at the event? How do you know the crowd all thought that Gamblers won?
And even if all of the audience may go to the ice rink every week, or took some figure skating lessons a couple years, doesn't mean they'll be as qualified to judge as world class olympic judges, who probably were professional champion skaters when they were young. The judges were probably veteran bboys who are more knowledgeable on what makes a good bboy, not what makes a person a better gymnast or trickster. There might be as qualified bboys in the crowd, but only a small minority,
And even so, not EVERY bboy is going to be as experienced and knowledgeable about bboying, and its history, as possibly the judges were. You have a big majority of bboys in the scene who care more about the big moves too, and not the music. Just because most of the audience at a figure skating match, thought one skater had better form, does not mean that this is true, that's left up to the more experienced judges.
you can appreciate clean footwork, but these dudes are young and should bring originality. sorry but foundation and dancing beats are necessary, but guys like miracles and alieness are some of the few that have enough technicality and flavor in their footwork to battle with just that, yet you see them do other things as well. i understand what you are saying, but very few have the ability to pull off a set of straight footwork to get you hype
But not everyone is going to consider a guy doing clean footwork amazing, they might find it boring, unless they are aware of what it takes to make clean footwork.
Oooooooh GOOOOSH! Freaking eboys! Bboy stands for break boy. And bboying is the only Hip Hop dance! Popping, locking, etc.. Are not even part of Hip Hop, alright? Dude, learn the history, the art, the dance before you say something stupid. Haaa... Holy cow.. Jabba is mainly pop, lock, etc.. Some of them do bboy moves as part of their dance routine, but they are not bboys.
ohh thought u where talkin bout the person at 2:33 standing closest to the camera....from past comments every1 thought prince was girl....i was like o_O??mybad yo...but yeah 2:33 is a bgirl shes part of a all japan bgirl crew...forget her bgirl name..she battles with tg breakerz too...
Did you not read my numerous comments? I never said Gamblers shouldn't have won, why do you keep replying with the same thinking that I'm disagreeing with you about that? I didn't say Gamblers should've lost, all I said was, that it takes a dancer to appreciate technicalities in dance steps, that's all I said. I didn't say Gamblers sucked, I didn't say Gamblers lost.
but you keep replying to me saying, "but, Gamblers were appreciated," and then I reply again "yes, they were appreciated." And then again you say, "but, Gamblers was appreciated." I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm not disagreeing with you, is this getting any clearer?? I'm only saying Gamblers were not appreciated for having the best footwork or toprocks, because they don't.
actually two memebers of jabbawockeez would have a chance.which is kid rainen and chrystyles.there the only two bboys in jabba.and full force.and last time i checked.full force and super crew teamed up to beat gamblerz so uh hahaha
I'd also probably add that I don't rate any of those events. Most of 'em are crowd pleasing uber tourneys are cheapness. IBE is a proper jam and jams are what breaking is all about, not comps, they're just for teh dollar.
jabbas aren't bboys... they have a totally different style of their own... they wouldn't have a chance in a bboy competition... having said that no bboy crew will ever get the type of press or fan base the jabba gets
Yes because power moves arent difficult and the power moves gamblers crew do arent technical. Bboy Born has more style, flavor, and technicality then half the guys in Ichigeki, and hes Korean.
This is _not_ revolutionary. That's what i'm saying. Gamblers are doing stuff i've seen TIME AND TIME again. As far as I see nothing has changed in the past 4 years+. Ichigeki are pushing it, the solo from 0:48, that's fresh, that's something you don't see everyday. The routines are old and tame. This is no next level this is just everyone continuing to bite the same people DoKnock/Cloud/Etc that has been going on since 2003, wrapping it up in a routine is no more inventive.
@reezyrocks12 Super Cr3w and Full Force teamed up to beat Gamblerz JR. JUNIOR. in other words, they beat the not-quite-there Gamblerz. Kid Rainen stands absolutely no chance. end of story.
omg this is a sick ass event! this inspires me to keep practicin no doubt one day too ill pay my dues!
that guy is bboy bruce lee, one of the best airflare combo powermovers EVER
whoa, that is ridiculous !! at 4:20, the guy in red does a frkkn Hand Hop + 1990 + Air Flare combined !!
Was fun to watch. Gamblerz were tight, hilarious.
much props to all bboys and bgirls still bustin' Breaking has evolved much since the late 70's
Gamblerz the best!!!
The reason for that is the way the preliminary battles were set up. There were two battles going on at the same time. Which is why you might hear the same songs in a different battle.
It cut the battle time down by half. Giving enough time for cyphers and stuff.
what battle were you watching?
Bluddy hell that's amazing!
they should but i say that considern that this is a dance expressing the music and the aspect of musicality is the most important part as in evry othr dance
o snap i didn't know you were talking about the zulu battle...nvm i was commenting on the ichigeki one lol
daaang the atmosphere there looks tight.
reminds me of fss7 atmosphere
dope battle
Gamblers were appreciated for their big moves, but there were other crews that day that had better rhythm riding and detail in the way they danced to the music.
i think thats king so you're talking about
Gamblers did awesome,
but crazy moves can be appreciated by EVERYONE, that's the point, those moves are crowd pleasers. Only hardcore dancers in a genre, can appreciate every little detail, step, sweep, change in facial expression, speed, manifestation of what to picture when executing every movement, be it fluidity, tensing up in the right time, etc.
Preliminaries were live; 'greasy beats' were providing live music continuously for about 2 hours. You should have been there.
does anyone has a song name..?
These songs are DOPE. Crazy beats.. Please anyone?
: )
yo gamblers r much better now ! i like them more when they r hittin beatz like that ! aight propz
i am never gonna get used to Sick's knee drop, its just so painful
They are appreciated for their moves, people thought Gamblers won for their moves, so I AGREE AGREE WITH YOU they were appreciated, now if you say "Gamblers were appreciated for their BEST footwork and toprocks," then we would actually have a disagreement, but you have yet to have said that yet.
bboy sick is friggin sick!!
cool i was the 77,777th view
dope battle, bboy still is the shit
haha, oh man, tht was perfect, BBoy SO is hilarious
WHOA, I didn't know it was a girl. I've never seen a bgirl with that much upper body strength and control. She hits the freezes and movements, solid too.
Aside from the first guy for gamblers did any of them do decent solo throwdowns? Just cheap routines and aggressive floor tactics. Path... the routines were good i'll grant them.
However I thought the highlight was the solo starting from 0:48. You don't see something that awesome so often.
Gamblers Spanked some Ass Again!=D Go Gamblers!! woot woot
who was the guy in red pants, thats sick man
BARE-handed too !!
I love you
i'd say i agree, i'm not even sure what i meant to say now, reading my past comment. more like that ichigeki are the best freestylers cuz they can incorporate anything it seems to what they feel. no constraints. something more like that
most battles have almost nothing to do with working together. using routines/commandos just makes it look like the weaker members are hiding behind the routine. the only thing that the crew has to do thats together is support each other (ex: starting a soul clap or hyping up the crowd) and let the individual bboys rock that shit.
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They would if Gamblers would stop doing crowd pleasing routines.
This is supposed to be about circles and breaking which is inherently different than "You got served". You might note, in that film the actual breakers only turned up at the end to do solos.
I agree, they are prevalent these days and all bboy crews do them to ensure they win.
This is what concerns me about judging though. Judges have a huge influence on how people dance cause crews want to win tourneys. I don't think Judges really appreciate the power they have. That's why a lot of breakers don't do odd stuff or risky moves because objective judging favours standard bboying, execution and cleanliness.
I worry that crews do routines not cause they want to but cause they want to win.
@Bboy0ne he is in rivers, where do you think he is? born wasn't in this battle
Props to both crews, but Gamblerz took this one.
My comment said, "crazy moves can be appreciated by EVERONE." You're replying to me like you're disagreeing, but your comment agrees with what I said anyway. I'm just saying that for those to appreciate the dance details of how to ride the music, can only happen by hardcore dancers, not just regular spectators, whereas big moves, can be appreciated by both the hardcore dancer, and the spectator. I think you misunderstood my comment.
most of the crowd would be breakers who started third to fourth generation, from the 90's through 2000, but the qualified judges may be guys from the 80's, or knew and hung out with/breaked and learned, from second generation bboys.
You said, all the hardcore dancers appreciated Gamblers. I replied by saying yes, Gamblers were appreciated by the hardcore dancers for their big moves. So I'm not even disagreeing with you,
anybody know the first beat in this battle. i have heard it before.
yeah, windmills and some flares would do the trick ^^
amen!
When I started breaking back in 2000 breaking wasn't about big shows, wasn't about big routines, it was about solos. Then something happened about 2004 and now you can't win events if you don't have routines.
This gamblers crew represents almost everything I hate about modern breaking, I appreciate their technique but they should drop the routines and learn how to solo, how to innovate.
oh my god, i love so when he pregnet that bgirl
damn...
Gamblerz just pawned da shit out'
of 'em
lol!!
does anyone know the songs in this battle?
damnn 2:47
i never knew gamblerz rolled liked that HAHA
but dope ass battle though
Since when does doing crazy "stuffs" become more important in dancing than ...dancing to the music??
This is dancing.
"Crazy stuffs" is more important in tricking, gymnastics, or the circus.
You don't have to know a lot about dance to understand crazy moves, you just see a big move and most everyone just says "wow!" EVeryone gets it, it looks amazing.
...we kno that we're not debating whether they won or not, they clearly won
im glad to see ichigeki bboying, not doing some halloween shit, haha
bboy sick can hit the beats so well compared to most abstract bboys.
bboying is noy about entertaining the crowd! its about expressing yourself honestly...
sorry but dance is expression and while doing great technical moves is an achievement, ichigeki's members are the best bboys in the world at breaking to music using whatever methods, often inventive, they please cuz they're just that damn good..
The only thing I said, was that there are other crews who can do foundation better than GAmblers, but the reason people would pick Gamblers is because they have bigger and crazier blowups.
Yes, the crowd of real bboys may have thought Gamblers won, but tell me why? Can you honestly say, "Gamblers won because they had stronger foundational footwork, and better toprocks?"
No, you said it yourself, it's because they do "crazy stuff" and that is appreciated by EVERYONE, that means, the regular spectator, and those who are real bboys and bgirls.
Now can you say that, say, "Gamblers won because they had stronger footwork." You can't right, because it isn't true. But, I agree they are crazy good, because of their big moves, and that's what we agree on, there's nothing we're disagreeing here about,
i don't think i saw katsu gamblerz beat them with style & power
song at minute 2
where so pregnet the bgirl
hahahahahhah
What's the first beat?
gamblerz win
sick is fucking sick!! haha
anybody miss darkness???
I do...
Who's the chick in ichigeki? Never knew they had a girl, or was she just a guest
a live band was playing
but you for more than three times, replied to me, like I disagreed with you about something I didn't disagree with you about.
GAMBLERZ MURKED EM!!! hahaha
@davcho27 but you cant compare them, they are 2 completely different styles man
Bboys, not breakdancers, there is a big difference.
I never said Gamblers shouldn't have won, I didn't say Gamblers weren't appreciated, why do you keep replying to me like I said that.
Read my comments again, I said Gamblers were appreciated.
Were you there at the event? How do you know the crowd all thought that Gamblers won?
And even if all of the audience may go to the ice rink every week, or took some figure skating lessons a couple years, doesn't mean they'll be as qualified to judge as world class olympic judges, who probably were professional champion skaters when they were young.
The judges were probably veteran bboys who are more knowledgeable on what makes a good bboy, not what makes a person a better gymnast or trickster. There might be as qualified bboys in the crowd, but only a small minority,
Gamblerz fTw
lol rivers were battling right behind ichigeki, i was like shit wat to watch
And even so, not EVERY bboy is going to be as experienced and knowledgeable about bboying, and its history, as possibly the judges were. You have a big majority of bboys in the scene who care more about the big moves too, and not the music.
Just because most of the audience at a figure skating match, thought one skater had better form, does not mean that this is true, that's left up to the more experienced judges.
it was a bgirl thats what made it funny!
you can appreciate clean footwork, but these dudes are young and should bring originality. sorry but foundation and dancing beats are necessary, but guys like miracles and alieness are some of the few that have enough technicality and flavor in their footwork to battle with just that, yet you see them do other things as well. i understand what you are saying, but very few have the ability to pull off a set of straight footwork to get you hype
But not everyone is going to consider a guy doing clean footwork amazing, they might find it boring, unless they are aware of what it takes to make clean footwork.
But it's not like Ichigeki's footwork was so exceptional that even if Gamblerz lacked it, they would win.
Oooooooh GOOOOSH! Freaking eboys! Bboy stands for break boy. And bboying is the only Hip Hop dance! Popping, locking, etc.. Are not even part of Hip Hop, alright? Dude, learn the history, the art, the dance before you say something stupid.
Haaa... Holy cow.. Jabba is mainly pop, lock, etc.. Some of them do bboy moves as part of their dance routine, but they are not bboys.
ohh thought u where talkin bout the person at 2:33 standing closest to the camera....from past comments every1 thought prince was girl....i was like o_O??mybad yo...but yeah 2:33 is a bgirl shes part of a all japan bgirl crew...forget her bgirl name..she battles with tg breakerz too...
Did you not read my numerous comments?
I never said Gamblers shouldn't have won, why do you keep replying with the same thinking that I'm disagreeing with you about that?
I didn't say Gamblers should've lost, all I said was, that it takes a dancer to appreciate technicalities in dance steps, that's all I said. I didn't say Gamblers sucked, I didn't say Gamblers lost.
this is one sided and pretty much style vs power gamblers WON!
i feel bad 4 the dj! no beats were hit!
your god...maybe O.o
but you keep replying to me saying, "but, Gamblers were appreciated," and then I reply again "yes, they were appreciated." And then again you say, "but, Gamblers was appreciated."
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm not disagreeing with you, is this getting any clearer??
I'm only saying Gamblers were not appreciated for having the best footwork or toprocks, because they don't.
actually two memebers of jabbawockeez would have a chance.which is kid rainen and chrystyles.there the only two bboys in jabba.and full force.and last time i checked.full force and super crew teamed up to beat gamblerz so uh hahaha
haha shit gamblerz was sick.
lol i love being korean haha
I'd also probably add that I don't rate any of those events. Most of 'em are crowd pleasing uber tourneys are cheapness. IBE is a proper jam and jams are what breaking is all about, not comps, they're just for teh dollar.
didnt ichigeki retire?
LOL AT 2:47
jabbas aren't bboys... they have a totally different style of their own... they wouldn't have a chance in a bboy competition... having said that no bboy crew will ever get the type of press or fan base the jabba gets
ichigeki got creamed
I disagree. If you are as good as they are at what they do you don't need any more powerheads.
not bgirl..thats bboy prince
noodle
Wow, I Didn't Know They Allowed "Rape" On UA-cam.
thats not soul soy...thats So
gamblerz won.
Yes because power moves arent difficult and the power moves gamblers crew do arent technical. Bboy Born has more style, flavor, and technicality then half the guys in Ichigeki, and hes Korean.
This is _not_ revolutionary. That's what i'm saying. Gamblers are doing stuff i've seen TIME AND TIME again. As far as I see nothing has changed in the past 4 years+.
Ichigeki are pushing it, the solo from 0:48, that's fresh, that's something you don't see everyday.
The routines are old and tame. This is no next level this is just everyone continuing to bite the same people DoKnock/Cloud/Etc that has been going on since 2003, wrapping it up in a routine is no more inventive.
@reezyrocks12 Super Cr3w and Full Force teamed up to beat Gamblerz JR. JUNIOR. in other words, they beat the not-quite-there Gamblerz.
Kid Rainen stands absolutely no chance. end of story.
pftt gamblerz have frkin ego problems
Gamblerz > Ichigeki.