@@Ultramobility thought I'd mention it because I have been to some CG that wasn't all that busy and the first few moments the water was Not clear! From then on I got into the habit of running it before connecting!
ahh yes i remember. mine was exterior too. no biggie. in the winter just carry around water inside the van, winterize the fresh water system and flush with rv antifreeze. that’s what i did and it worked pretty well. yea it’s a bit more convenient having the fresh water tank inside but don’t let it stop you from winter camping!
Pretty good job Neal, my drain hose is a Rhino that holds it's length when stretched or compressed but I don't think it would fit in the hose holder your van has, I would have pulled a bit further forward to take the stretch out of you hose, I would use a rock or a couple to hold the hose into the campsite drain, yes, blackwater first then I leave the valve open and go inside and pour a couple of buckets of water down the toilet while holding the valve open, puts clean water into the tank and helps flush it. Then the same with the gray water tank, then close your valves as you have and proceed with the storage of things. I put 3 to 5gal of fresh water into the black tank to help the bio action of the waste, believe me it helps. I give at least 24hrs for the paper to be digested by the bio action of the natural enzymes to help dissolve it, the poop paper of the 24hr period goes into a bag that gets dumped in the trash the next day. For the natural enzymes to work you need both poop and pee in the tank otherwise they don't do their job well, also when adding a chemical to the tank use the designated amount, more isn't better. Unique makes a pretty good product both for daily and year end treatment. At any campground faucet I clean & disinfect it before hooking my fresh water hose to it because you don't know how they used t before you got there, plus I use a filter inline before it goes into my tank.
Hi Neil, I love how you actually show us what is involved when empty the black tank and how to use gray tank to flash and clean it so far some of the RV reviews they just kinda glazed over the tanks and didn't really explain how to do it, but you showed Us on how to fill out the water tank and it's same details, I am just starting looking at RV for a different reason, I am kinda looking at it as some types of backups home in case of emergency weather situations like the video you did about high gas bill, so you move into the RV to stay warm and with the class b it's easy to get around small city streets and parking spots, on the Black tank I saw some one suggestion was put in some micro in there to break down solid stuff and been New at this I don't know if it's a good idea or not, the cassette style it seems more convenient,at least some like it I just need to take it out and can empty it in a toilet and that seems it can be done every where 🤣 and now I am trying go through all your video on your channel you have lots of good information on RV which is what I am looking for before I put down the money and probably with a long term loan and I don't want to regret after couple year and find out the whole thing is falling apart 😱😱😭 and I really appreciate your video they helped me a lot on RV, unlike some other reviewers just tell what is in the RV and nothing else especially the electrical systems and what a RV power needs with the AC on and microwave on almost like in a home and those are all new to me, because I have not considered when I was at home I just used both of them at the same time plus all the phone and computer are plugged in and the home doesn't seem have problems to provide power to all the electrical stuff in the home until I get the electrical bill 😱🤣🤔 or during summer heatwave and power company tell us don't use AC or appliances that draw heavy power from power grid from four to nine PM and that is when temperature are at it's hotest and with people coming home from work and school stay in RV with AC on until temperature cool down some than move back to the house and turn everything on to use those like they were designed to do,😱🤔🤣😜😂
Hello Neal, the problem I have with gravity dumps is sometimes the drains are not that much lower then the tanks on the van in fact I dumped at a state park last fall where I had to go up over a curb causing me to keep lifting the drain hose to make sure it emptied. The challenge with dumping is you have to get on your knees which gets harder as you get older along with the fact the ground might be a muddy mess. I keep a small rubber mat I roll out. Lastly, I think the ultimate would be a system that would allow a toilet to have a standard black tank but also a cassette that you could bypass to empty when you can't find a dump station. Take care!
that’s an interesting idea. for my part i gladly deal with the black tank because it’s really a rather minor nuisance compared to all the benefits i enjoy with a campervan. but trust me i get it 😝
Hi Neal Thank you again for the informative video. I would like to suggest you, when you fill your water tank go at the control panel to close your water pump, and at the same time press two time on the water button you will have the quantity of water that is left in your water tank. Than you can go to open the water valve and check from the exterior through the window the level of your tank. When it is at 95 % you shut off the water valve. You do not have to be at the back of the van to see how much water you are at.
I've been weighing the benefits of both systems and really liked this video, thank you..... Also I just watched a video that had an adaptor for a cassette that would allow it to be easily dumped at a dump station which basically means I feel I could end up with either or and no more fears. Because of knee issues, I keep leaning toward the Ekko because of their centralized water/tank system but still doing my research.
Very informative video. Didn’t know there was a stowage place for the sewer hose..thought it went in a bin inside the garage…yuck. Dumping tanks is easy once you get the process down. I love the content of your videos, different from the reviews but now it’s application on how everything works and how easy it is….enjoy Neil!
another great video neil! my retirement day is 10 months away and im getting close to buying my PRV!!! Too bad they couldnt have the exit port isnt so far under the van! I think im going to opt for the macerator pump option.
One comment, you only need to use the pressure reducer when using the fresh water connected to city water with the valve to fill the tank closed. When filling the tank the overflow hose will prevent any pressure from building up. We only fill the tank and never attach during a stay, so don’t use the reducer most of the time. Tank fills faster. Also I agree with the comment to flush the fresh water hose for a while before connecting to the water inlet. Lots of people use a filter between the water source and the van inlet too. Great video! Thanks for introducing us to the Panoramic which we have owned for 18 months now. 😊
Donald that is a great point about the pressure reducer. One doesn’t need to use it if you’re simply filling the tank, only if you’re connecting up to city water. Thanks for the tip and glad that I helped you in your RV journey!
Always helpful videos, thanks. I would replace that cap with one that has a small drain cap to ensure any leftover gray water is purged and not sitting in the pipe. I would also flush the toilet a couple of times to flush the black tank and see it come out clear before draining the gray.
Have followed you since your begin so I know you know what you are doing...thus the confidence to wear nice clothes and new white shoes to dump, lol. Cudos!!!
Thanks, Neil. I agree with other comments that you supply here great explanations, and in a way that make the operations feel simpler, not to be dreaded. And you think of mentionning every details, calmly, which lets viewers feel they will be in good control, as they possess information about every aspect, about things that could go wrong had they not been mentionned. Thanks again!
From a gross disastrous mistake, where connection was missing a piece, I always open the grey valve for a second to make sure the seal is correct, then I close it, drain black then grey. Also, in my experience, there is usually a hose available at the rv dump station to rinse the tank hose.
i love this suggestion to open the grey a little bit first! What an idea and will save you from being potentially covered in poo like me that one time 😂
May I suggest you to put your clear 90 degrees and leave it there, it is more easy and you don’t have to store it in a plastic bag. Also for the people that have problems with there knees and hip I recommend to have a macerator it will be more easy for them. Congratulations it is a good vidéo
It reminds me of my Winnebago Minnie Micro. But now I've got used to macerator on my SS Agile with retractible hose. One thing I noticed with those black and grey tank release handle, they tend to freeze up for some reason.
such a good question. i bring glass bottles of water that i can easily refill. i keep about 6 1.5 liter bottles on hand at all times refilling bottles as they empty.
Hi Neil, thank you so much for the instructive video. Still researching van life. Will be going to my very first van slow in Pleasanton, California shortly. The Thor Riser short wheel base seems to match my life style the best. Using it as a daily driver saves me in insurance, maintenance, and storage expenses. The Winnebago pocket a little too plain for me . I really like the rear bath room with cassette toilet arrangement in the Rize. Will be using it primarily for long road trips and occasional overnight Rv parks. We are empty nesters with our little dog. She is with us all the time. Again, enjoying your videos.
Pro-tip. After you disconnect the black hose from the van. Hold the black hose upright and push the accordion ridges of the hose together and the extra liquid will flow down the hose to the sewer connection. Doing this will give you a much dryer hose to store away without dripping everywhere.
Please giving the Panoramic the suggestion of making this unpleasant dumpling job easier by changing a cap that’s easier to open and if possible changing its not-that-easy-to-reach-and-view position. As I’m an older female who doesn’t have much hand griping power, it would be hard to kneel down in such a low position to find the hookup and twist that big cap at the same time. I’m starting to like this brand more and more over the Leisure Travel van because of this channel.
Hi Neil, thanks again for a great video. Concerning filling the freshwater tank, is there also a gravity fill opening, like in the Pleasureway, or is there only the hose hookup option to fill or top off the tank? Also, how does one put chlorine tablets in the freshwater tank? Getting my Pano this spring, and your videos are a blessing to me! Really relieving the anxiety that is there along with the excitement. Take care and have many happy adventures in your rig.
Hi Neil. We picked up a Panoramic a bit before you did! Was introduced to the brand by you, so thank you for that! Just wanted to add that I use the garnet bluetooth app on the phone when dumping and filling my tanks. That way, I don't have to go back inside the RV to see what the levels are. Do you find the tank readings accurate? I am always a bit suspicious about mine, since it tends to fluctuate quite a bit (perhaps due to slopes, etc.)
i haven’t had the van long enough yet to comment. my black tank gauge isn’t working properly and my lpg needs calibrating. i guess i’d have to say at this point that yea i don’t find them particularly accurate 😝
I never understood why there is a city water connection on a van. It’s not like a towable, where you leave it parked for days. I only use to a tank. I have a reugaltor, but never use it. You could consider using a filter, not so much for water quality (I personally don’t drink from the tank), but it will sift out any sediment, rust etc.
i agree. I’ve never used city water hookup either. and you’re right if you’re just filling the tank you don’t need the pressure regulator although it doesn’t hurt. In the Panoramic’s case you’re not using gravity fill. You are directing water through lines and pipes inside the RV so a pressure regulator might still come in handy. And like you i don’t really drink water from the tank either.
This process looks easy, just lengthy. What do you think of incinerator toilets, assuming one has the inverter, alternator, batteries, and solar to use it? It seemed like a better solution than carrying a black tank around.
the incinerator would need to use propane or fuel from the tank. i don’t think using electricity would be efficient. gmc had an innovative system back in the 70’s on their motor home that used the heat from the exhaust to incinerate waste. that would be a novel ideal to improve upon today. i don’t mind a black and grey water tank. the tanks on the panoramic are pretty large and so i find that I’m not emptying very often.
The available electric incinerating toilets are 240 volt and use multiple kwh per "flush" propane would be workable but your still talking 4 grand minimum for the toilet and from what I have heard they aren't always odorless. There are good reasons they aren't generally used on rv's the black tank system works fine.
Well then you couldn’t do dumping on any van. All vans have low dump hook ups for obvious reasons. A class B with a macerater might be a little easier. Otherwise a class A would have higher dump stations.
@@timkarcher6724 yep. That is why Leisure Travel Vans are so popular. But a two-year waiting list to get one!! And by the way, when you get older, the knees are the first to go. Mine have been replaced, so much better now, but not like my God given knees when younger!
Thank you for showing this. It takes away some of fear or nerves while studying class B vans.
glad to help
I learned thru the years to Run the water to make sure it's clear running before connecting the hose to the RV!
a great suggestion!
@@Ultramobility thought I'd mention it because I have been to some CG that wasn't all that busy and the first few moments the water was Not clear! From then on I got into the habit of running it before connecting!
That was so funny when liquid came out of the black tank after u got the lid off... Everyone gasped lol
This video is incredibly informative Neil. It takes a lot of the fear away. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
I really like that your water tank is inside. Oh my, I wish my ascent had it inside.
ahh yes i remember. mine was exterior too. no biggie. in the winter just carry around water inside the van, winterize the fresh water system and flush with rv antifreeze. that’s what i did and it worked pretty well. yea it’s a bit more convenient having the fresh water tank inside but don’t let it stop you from winter camping!
Pretty good job Neal, my drain hose is a Rhino that holds it's length when stretched or compressed but I don't think it would fit in the hose holder your van has, I would have pulled a bit further forward to take the stretch out of you hose, I would use a rock or a couple to hold the hose into the campsite drain, yes, blackwater first then I leave the valve open and go inside and pour a couple of buckets of water down the toilet while holding the valve open, puts clean water into the tank and helps flush it.
Then the same with the gray water tank, then close your valves as you have and proceed with the storage of things.
I put 3 to 5gal of fresh water into the black tank to help the bio action of the waste, believe me it helps.
I give at least 24hrs for the paper to be digested by the bio action of the natural enzymes to help dissolve it, the poop paper of the 24hr period goes into a bag that gets dumped in the trash the next day.
For the natural enzymes to work you need both poop and pee in the tank otherwise they don't do their job well, also when adding a chemical to the tank use the designated amount, more isn't better.
Unique makes a pretty good product both for daily and year end treatment.
At any campground faucet I clean & disinfect it before hooking my fresh water hose to it because you don't know how they used t before you got there, plus I use a filter inline before it goes into my tank.
nice suggestions. thank you!
Hi Neil, I love how you actually show us what is involved when empty the black tank and how to use gray tank to flash and clean it so far some of the RV reviews they just kinda glazed over the tanks and didn't really explain how to do it, but you showed Us on how to fill out the water tank and it's same details, I am just starting looking at RV for a different reason, I am kinda looking at it as some types of backups home in case of emergency weather situations like the video you did about high gas bill, so you move into the RV to stay warm and with the class b it's easy to get around small city streets and parking spots, on the Black tank I saw some one suggestion was put in some micro in there to break down solid stuff and been New at this I don't know if it's a good idea or not, the cassette style it seems more convenient,at least some like it I just need to take it out and can empty it in a toilet and that seems it can be done every where 🤣 and now I am trying go through all your video on your channel you have lots of good information on RV which is what I am looking for before I put down the money and probably with a long term loan and I don't want to regret after couple year and find out the whole thing is falling apart 😱😱😭 and I really appreciate your video they helped me a lot on RV, unlike some other reviewers just tell what is in the RV and nothing else especially the electrical systems and what a RV power needs with the AC on and microwave on almost like in a home and those are all new to me, because I have not considered when I was at home I just used both of them at the same time plus all the phone and computer are plugged in and the home doesn't seem have problems to provide power to all the electrical stuff in the home until I get the electrical bill 😱🤣🤔 or during summer heatwave and power company tell us don't use AC or appliances that draw heavy power from power grid from four to nine PM and that is when temperature are at it's hotest and with people coming home from work and school stay in RV with AC on until temperature cool down some than move back to the house and turn everything on to use those like they were designed to do,😱🤔🤣😜😂
I’m glad I can help!
Great video for newbies……always love your videos Neil!
Thanks 👍 Ruth!
Hello Neal, the problem I have with gravity dumps is sometimes the drains are not that much lower then the tanks on the van in fact I dumped at a state park last fall where I had to go up over a curb causing me to keep lifting the drain hose to make sure it emptied. The challenge with dumping is you have to get on your knees which gets harder as you get older along with the fact the ground might be a muddy mess. I keep a small rubber mat I roll out. Lastly, I think the ultimate would be a system that would allow a toilet to have a standard black tank but also a cassette that you could bypass to empty when you can't find a dump station. Take care!
that’s an interesting idea. for my part i gladly deal with the black tank because it’s really a rather minor nuisance compared to all the benefits i enjoy with a campervan. but trust me i get it 😝
Hi Neal
Thank you again for the informative video. I would like to suggest you, when you fill your water tank go at the control panel to close your water pump, and at the same time press two time on the water button you will have the quantity of water that is left in your water tank. Than you can go to open the water valve and check from the exterior through the window the level of your tank. When it is at 95 % you shut off the water valve. You do not have to be at the back of the van to see how much water you are at.
awwww great suggestion!
I've been weighing the benefits of both systems and really liked this video, thank you.....
Also I just watched a video that had an adaptor for a cassette that would allow it to be easily dumped at a dump station which basically means I feel I could end up with either or and no more fears. Because of knee issues, I keep leaning toward the Ekko because of their centralized water/tank system but still doing my research.
Very informative video. Didn’t know there was a stowage place for the sewer hose..thought it went in a bin inside the garage…yuck. Dumping tanks is easy once you get the process down. I love the content of your videos, different from the reviews but now it’s application on how everything works and how easy it is….enjoy Neil!
thank you for that. i appreciate it.
another great video neil! my retirement day is 10 months away and im getting close to buying my PRV!!! Too bad they couldnt have the exit port isnt so far under the van! I think im going to opt for the macerator pump option.
Thank you for this informative video! As a newbie watching the whole process really helps!
you’re more than welcome! i’m glad it helped you.
A small folding stool is a big help in this process
yes good idea!
One comment, you only need to use the pressure reducer when using the fresh water connected to city water with the valve to fill the tank closed. When filling the tank the overflow hose will prevent any pressure from building up. We only fill the tank and never attach during a stay, so don’t use the reducer most of the time. Tank fills faster. Also I agree with the comment to flush the fresh water hose for a while before connecting to the water inlet. Lots of people use a filter between the water source and the van inlet too. Great video! Thanks for introducing us to the Panoramic which we have owned for 18 months now. 😊
Donald that is a great point about the pressure reducer. One doesn’t need to use it if you’re simply filling the tank, only if you’re connecting up to city water. Thanks for the tip and glad that I helped you in your RV journey!
Always helpful videos, thanks. I would replace that cap with one that has a small drain cap to ensure any leftover gray water is purged and not sitting in the pipe. I would also flush the toilet a couple of times to flush the black tank and see it come out clear before draining the gray.
my community has the best advice! thank you for sharing with everyone!
Have followed you since your begin so I know you know what you are doing...thus the confidence to wear nice clothes and new white shoes to dump, lol. Cudos!!!
Thank you so much!
Thanks, Neil. I agree with other comments that you supply here great explanations, and in a way that make the operations feel simpler, not to be dreaded. And you think of mentionning every details, calmly, which lets viewers feel they will be in good control, as they possess information about every aspect, about things that could go wrong had they not been mentionned. Thanks again!
Glad it was helpful!
From a gross disastrous mistake, where connection was missing a piece, I always open the grey valve for a second to make sure the seal is correct, then I close it, drain black then grey.
Also, in my experience, there is usually a hose available at the rv dump station to rinse the tank hose.
i love this suggestion to open the grey a little bit first! What an idea and will save you from being potentially covered in poo like me that one time 😂
Hi Neil! That is why I love so much your "technical/instructional" videos! You are so good on that! Thank you!
that’s very nice of you to say Renata. thank you 🙏
May I suggest you to put your clear 90 degrees and leave it there, it is more easy and you don’t have to store it in a plastic bag. Also for the people that have problems with there knees and hip I recommend to have a macerator it will be more easy for them. Congratulations it is a good vidéo
great suggestion thank you!
I was wondering wether one could do that. Now, I know we may do so! Thanks for the tip.
You’re right, leaving the 90 attached is what I’ve always done. One less thing to fiddle with.
Great demo. You made it look smooth. Thanks Neil
Glad it was helpful!
It reminds me of my Winnebago Minnie Micro. But now I've got used to macerator on my SS Agile with retractible hose. One thing I noticed with those black and grey tank release handle, they tend to freeze up for some reason.
yes they freeze especially in the winter. a macerator is definitely convenient for when you need to pump up to a drain. love the SS. Agile!
Hi Neil thank you so much for the detailed instructions! I am wondering how you get drinking water if you don't drink from the fresh water tank?
such a good question. i bring glass bottles of water that i can easily refill. i keep about 6 1.5 liter bottles on hand at all times refilling bottles as they empty.
@@Ultramobility Thank you for that great idea!
Hi Neil, thank you so much for the instructive video. Still researching van life. Will be going to my very first van slow in Pleasanton, California shortly. The Thor Riser short wheel base seems to match my life style the best. Using it as a daily driver saves me in insurance, maintenance, and storage expenses. The Winnebago pocket a little too plain for me . I really like the rear bath room with cassette toilet arrangement in the Rize. Will be using it primarily for long road trips and occasional overnight Rv parks. We are empty nesters with our little dog. She is with us all the time. Again, enjoying your videos.
watch Nomadic Introvert. She has a Rize.
Always the best content.
wow thank you.
Pro-tip. After you disconnect the black hose from the van. Hold the black hose upright and push the accordion ridges of the hose together and the extra liquid will flow down the hose to the sewer connection. Doing this will give you a much dryer hose to store away without dripping everywhere.
another great tip thanks for sharing!
This was a great overview
thank you. glad you enjoyed it
Please giving the Panoramic the suggestion of making this unpleasant dumpling job easier by changing a cap that’s easier to open and if possible changing its not-that-easy-to-reach-and-view position. As I’m an older female who doesn’t have much hand griping power, it would be hard to kneel down in such a low position to find the hookup and twist that big cap at the same time. I’m starting to like this brand more and more over the Leisure Travel van because of this channel.
THAT is a great suggestion!
Anne, I just sent along your suggestion to Phil, the CEO of Panoramic.
@@Ultramobility 🔴 You’re awesome ~*
@@Ultramobility ❤
Hi Neil, thanks again for a great video. Concerning filling the freshwater tank, is there also a gravity fill opening, like in the Pleasureway, or is there only the hose hookup option to fill or top off the tank? Also, how does one put chlorine tablets in the freshwater tank? Getting my Pano this spring, and your videos are a blessing to me! Really relieving the anxiety that is there along with the excitement. Take care and have many happy adventures in your rig.
There is! It’s at the top of the tank accessible by lifting up the mattress in the bedroom. you can drop tablets in there.
What are your thoughts on cassette toilets vs black tanks as in the Panoramic? Thanks for a very informative video.
oiy can you imagine carrying around a 40 lbs. suitcase of 💩 and lifting it up over a toilet to empty it? plus the smell…
Hi Neil. We picked up a Panoramic a bit before you did! Was introduced to the brand by you, so thank you for that! Just wanted to add that I use the garnet bluetooth app on the phone when dumping and filling my tanks. That way, I don't have to go back inside the RV to see what the levels are. Do you find the tank readings accurate? I am always a bit suspicious about mine, since it tends to fluctuate quite a bit (perhaps due to slopes, etc.)
i haven’t had the van long enough yet to comment. my black tank gauge isn’t working properly and my lpg needs calibrating. i guess i’d have to say at this point that yea i don’t find them particularly accurate 😝
You’ll learn to “guesstimate” by days..sometimes the sensor sticks…at least it did in our rv tank.
You purse is in your way.
yes it is lol
Add RV antifreeze to tanks.
I never understood why there is a city water connection on a van. It’s not like a towable, where you leave it parked for days. I only use to a tank. I have a reugaltor, but never use it. You could consider using a filter, not so much for water quality (I personally don’t drink from the tank), but it will sift out any sediment, rust etc.
i agree. I’ve never used city water hookup either. and you’re right if you’re just filling the tank you don’t need the pressure regulator although it doesn’t hurt. In the Panoramic’s case you’re not using gravity fill. You are directing water through lines and pipes inside the RV so a pressure regulator might still come in handy. And like you i don’t really drink water from the tank either.
What is the ground clearance on your vehicle? The video angle makes it look like only a few inches!
it’s the same for most promasters at about 7 inches. the rear stabilizer bar on the chassis is the low point.
Does it matter which end of the fresh water hose gets the pressure regulator?
i think it only attached to the end that connects to the faucet.
Neil! you have a concealed carry in that murse?
lol 😂
@@Ultramobility I have a murse also, albeit in camo and not so square shaped. It carries "stuff". Big fan of your channel. great stuff. thanks.
Can’t you flush out the black hose with fresh water as well?
you can but need to be careful not to contaminate the fresh water hose
Personally, I prefer cassette toilet or macerator!
there’s lots of rvs for you to chose from with cassette toilets!that’s what great about the industry.
This process looks easy, just lengthy. What do you think of incinerator toilets, assuming one has the inverter, alternator, batteries, and solar to use it? It seemed like a better solution than carrying a black tank around.
the incinerator would need to use propane or fuel from the tank. i don’t think using electricity would be efficient. gmc had an innovative system back in the 70’s on their motor home that used the heat from the exhaust to incinerate waste. that would be a novel ideal to improve upon today. i don’t mind a black and grey water tank. the tanks on the panoramic are pretty large and so i find that I’m not emptying very often.
The available electric incinerating toilets are 240 volt and use multiple kwh per "flush" propane would be workable but your still talking 4 grand minimum for the toilet and from what I have heard they aren't always odorless. There are good reasons they aren't generally used on rv's the black tank system works fine.
Do you have a black water flush?
tim, yes i do.
@@Ultramobility at what point do you use it? I assume after dumping black but before dumping gray. Do you not use the flush every time?
I’m curious, what are you obscuring in the pole? Is it that you don’t want people to know your camping spot?
No it’s personal identifiable information for someone.
You can see it in the reflection on the RV.
For those of us with bad knees, we could never do the dumping on this van!
that’s unfortunate
Small folding stool helps
Macerator are available as an option I will recommend macerator I have problem with knee and it a lot easier
Well then you couldn’t do dumping on any van. All vans have low dump hook ups for obvious reasons. A class B with a macerater might be a little easier. Otherwise a class A would have higher dump stations.
@@timkarcher6724 yep. That is why Leisure Travel Vans are so popular. But a two-year waiting list to get one!! And by the way, when you get older, the knees are the first to go. Mine have been replaced, so much better now, but not like my God given knees when younger!
I would not put TP in your tank.
why not?
If you don’t put TP in your tank ….why have a black tank at all?