Defending Icons or Idols? - I Visited the Orthodox Church
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Protestants often accuse the Orthodox Church of idol worship & cannibalism for their practices. I wanted to actually uncover the truth behind their beliefs. Why do they venerate icons? Why is the Eucharist important to them? I found the answers I was looking for!
Full interview - Priest Defends Icon Veneration Against Opposition!
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I was a traditional Latin roman catholic until I was 45 raised my whole family in the roman church. Now two years later we are catechumens. I thank God that he has shown me his church. We long to be Orthodox
you're body is the church you are the true church.
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welcome home brother. I'm excited for your first Eucharist to be this season as Pascha is upon us.
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@@danktankdragkings7117I am so happy to have come home to Christ's church
Well done on your presentation. Thank you! I was a Protestant who came to understand the truth of our faith through the reading of the church fathers and visiting a parish. My whole family formally entered the church on January 14th this year through holy baptism and chrismation. Through the prayers of our holy fathers, Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy on us and save us.
Welcome home, brother. Stay strong and keep praying.
Congrats brother. My family and I were received about a month ago. Glory to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Did you partake in a water baptism as a Protestant? If so, why did you get baptized again with the Orthodox Church? I might not be understanding you fully. I am a follower of Christ who was baptized in a modern non-denominational church. I've been enjoying ROCOR teachings online for a while and intend to visit an Orthodox Church service soon. I'm feeling drawn to a more quiet and contemplative worship. Peace.
Jesus is the head of the any Church who believes in Him and what He teached in the new testament, not all Churches believe in Jesus because they are focused more on religion then Jesus Christ, i used to be orthodox till Holy Spirit showed me the truth, Father Son and the Holly Spirit are one God, we know Christ true the Holly Spirit, it starts off repent from all your Sins and follow in
Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Then you take up your cross and Follow Jesus just like He said in Matthew 16:24, the Holly Spirit in you can help you from your sins, its not us that are good but the Holy Spirit in us, God helps us just like He said He would in John 14:18-21
John 14:26
This describes your icons thst are idols in Psalm 115:5-8
5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
8 Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.
Jesus is the head of the any Church who believes in Him and what He teached in the new testament, not all Churches believe in Jesus because they are focused more on religion then Jesus Christ, i used to be orthodox till Holy Spirit showed me the truth, Father Son and the Holly Spirit are one God, we know Christ true the Holly Spirit, it starts off repent from all your Sins and follow in
Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Then you take up your cross and Follow Jesus just like He said in Matthew 16:24, the Holly Spirit in you can help you from your sins, its not us that are good but the Holy Spirit in us, God helps us just like He said He would in John 14:18-21
John 14:26
This describes your icons thst are idols in Psalm 115:5-8
5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
8 Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.
Glory to the Risen Christ ☦️
I visited saint James Antioch Orthodox Church in my hometown and I gotta say i never experienced something so sacred, beautiful peaceful and yet mystical
Beware of the traditions of man, the pleasure of earthly things, and unbiblical nonsense. Do not bow to icons, only bow, with meaning, in prayer to God, not because some tradition. Do not treat the Truth like an earthly mystic religion such as Hinduism or Hellenistic Paganism. The Truth is already known, in the Bible, away from earthly rules and traditions. Do not follow the orders of a ‘pope’, an earthly political figure that can and WILL mislead you. God is the Father alone. Jesus is the connection between Earth and Heaven. The Word determines how you should follow and worship God. All Christians are saints.
@@GenericUA-camGuy
How was Scripture compiled?
@@champion9540 God controlled the hands of the original writers, and the regular Bible has never been altered, because God protects it in order to continue to spread the True Word of God, and salvation.
@@champion9540 that is why the heretical books or useless books are kept out of the Bible. Maccabees, already prophesied in Daniel. Enoch, just fiction that became famous in Judea. Another book which I forgot the name of falsely describes punishment in Hell, and other false things, so it is heretical. Etc. There are so many.
As a orthodox christian ☦️ convert from islam with My family and many family friends.
All Muslims will see the truth like we did.
Bless you ☦️☝️
Bless you! Becoming a Muslim apostate is a death sentence in many areas. Your bravery and witness for the true God is worth more than words. You are a Martyr of Christ. Martyr is the Greek word "witness, testify" and you did what many men never achieve you "died to yourself" and completely changed your path to follow Jesus. God bless you and keep you brother. But I see he's already doing that :)
Ed welcome brother. May God preserve you in the faith☦️☦️☦️
God bless you 🙏🏼
@@andys3035
You aswll.☦️☝️
Serbian Church too. Slava Bogu❤️🇷🇸☦️
Слава Господу Иисусу Христу.
Ovaj sveštenik koji govori je Otac Bojan iz Srpske Pravoslavne Crkve iz SAD
One correction though. - Orthodox isn’t a denomination at all. It’s PRE-denominational. ☦️💛
True
Not true 🤣
That is correct. It is in schism from the Church.
@@GenericUA-camGuy
It is
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I like that priest. I visited his church last year. My sister's friend goes there.
Awesome job on this one dude! It’s good to hear it straight from the source!
Great video. I used to be a roman catholic but God saved me from that horrible hersey that leads to hell. The roman catholic church will become the cornerstone of the one world religion that will not have much to do will Jesus. They just took another step away from God by giving blessings to same sex "marriages" The truth is really hard for devout romans to accept but it doesn't change the facts. Iam now orthodox and words don't describe how great it is.
Lol
I’m sure they miss you
You didn't and still don't know the Catholic faith then.
The Orthodox Church is the only church on earth that can physically trace its lineage back to Jesus Christ and His Apostles AND show that the Church had maintained the same faith for 2000 years ☦️ Glory to the Lord Jesus Christ
Not true but that's what they claim.
Physically? You mean historically which also isn’t true. The catholics use the same lineage. And who cares about lineage? The Bible speaks against a lot of what you practice. Reading the Bible is secondary to you tho. God bless.
@@br.mthat’s literally true , but just how the protestants that were mentioned in this video i am guessing you have other stuff to say……everyone says whatever the freak they want today that’s what i am starting to realise
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 No it's not true. If it was true then wouldn't I be the apostle and you would need me to lay hands on you?
@@justincalhoun physically and historically. We have the lists of the bishops ordained from the Holy Apostles down to modern times. You say who cares about lineage? We Orthodox do, as did the Holy Apostles who told us to pass on what had been received, as the scriptures say. You’re not in accord with the scriptures as a Protestant
Thank you for the unbiased review
Just Orthodox! Priest is right about icons! ❤
The problem is that iconography is not a pious opinion, but a blatant necessity at the risk of anathema.
True
That is one of my problems with Orthodoxy, as well as making major feasts center around incidents in Mary's life; incidents that may or may not be factually true. I can understand the concept of powerful metaphors and symbols (such as Mary entering the Temple as a child), but to make an incident from the Protoevangelium, which I think was even questioned in its own day, so important may cause inquirers to question the factual truthfulness of other events (such as the Resurrection.) As for icons, I really feel that the Ancient Church stepped over the line. They completely disregarded Paul's instructions to NOT force other Christians to do things that violate their consciences. After being involved with and studying Orthodoxy for a few years, I understand how they view icons, but I also see that it's a moral scandal and stumbling block to Protestants who see this as a sin. Similarly, I also recently heard a priest discuss a situation where an abbot had a monk lie to pilgrims; this was supposedly a test of the monk's humility and obedience. This situation is similar to that of St. Theodora/Marina, who pretended (!) to be a man to get into a monastery and then allowed people to think she fathered a child. I guess I'm too literal a thinker to respect this. To me, truthfulness is higher than humility, and a lie causes the name of Christ to be disparaged.
Fine, this is whose interpretation, btw?
You refer to yourself as the sole owner of this opinion in your post.
With self proclaimed authority only, why would anyone accept your opinion?
@@Kitiwake
The 7th Ecumenical Council clearly says that whoever doesn't salute and venerate icons is anathema.
Because iconography is a Christology issue in a response to ISLAM. If you do not “like” icons that’s just your predispositions giving u the “heebey geebies.” You can get over that over time. That predisposition came from incorrect theology pulling people away from the fullness of the Faith.
God became man, we can depict the Son, but not the Father. This was a direct opposition to the Muslim teaching that God has no Son, and God cannot become a man. And the iconoclasm heresy happened BECAUSE of the influence of Islam. So this is why they died for icons because they were dying for the Incarnation. They were dying for Christ! This is a response to the heresy at the time you must understand the historical context of it as well as the theological.
If during the time Christ walked the earth they had iPhones to take pictures, and they took pictures of Him, do you expect them to delete it after His ascension?? “Sorry no more images!”
Sweet Orthodoxy! 😊
Church within Serbian jurisdiction with pews.? That is unseen until now...
same. looks painful. orthodox churches do not have pews.
The church is in the process of removing the pews.
My Serbian Church has pews as well, sadly they were out there by donors wanting to look more "American"
@@robynatticks328 Glory to God.! Greetings to my fellow brothers and sisters...
@@supertigerroadtrip5193 There is an old saying: Road to Hell is paved by the good intentions...
Katolici su se odvojili od pravoslavnih hrišćana 1054.
Istina:
Samo pravoslavnim hrišćanima se pali Sveti Oganj u Jerusalimu
Samo kod Pravoslavni hrišćana Sveta voda traje ZAUVEK. NIKAD se ne pokvari. Lično imam jednu od pre 20 god. Ista kao dana kada je osvećena.
Slava Bogu
Thank you!
There's more to come?
Plan on releasing the full interview on my podcast channel. And I visit a lot of different churches. I hope to visit more Orthodox churches as opportunities come. 😊
@@BackpackReligion-ev4zqWhere is your podcast channel?
Being accused of cannibalism by protestants is such an ironic and baseless accusation. And these people say they follow Christ! It is the Church that truly follows what Christ taught (which is in agreement with what the apostles taught, and the fathers, and the saints...) When Christ talked about eating his flesh and drinking his blood in John 6 many of his own disciples turned their backs on him, so it's no surprise that some do the same thing to this day, for the same reason.
Kyrie Eleison Me and thank you for everything.
Christos Anesti.
THE ICONS ARE THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND HIS SAINTS ON EARTH.THE VENERATION OF THE ICONS IS THE VENERATION OF THOSE PERSONS THEY ARE IN HEAVEN AND NOT THE VENERATION OF THE WOOD AS IN IDOLOLATRY.THE ICON IS HOLY BY THE GRACE OF THE SAINTS THAT OPEN US THE HEAVEN KINGDOM.
Icons fight off evil spirits. When you pray infront of an icon, the devil flee because its a window to angels or whoever icon it is drawing is
Wrong brother. Icon does not do anything. God invincible force deal through icon to fight evil spirits. Icon as icon itself can't do anything
That's literally paganism!
@@andyontheinternet5777 Thats GOD'S promise to the saints like GOD promised Noah's and Abraham. Similar to why we say GOD of Abraham issac and Jacob. It might not work if you pray infront of Obama's picture
@@mmr1137 True. GOD works through the icons. Thats why we put them up in our houses to fight of unwanted spirits entering and taking your blessings
Let us not forget the Gospel. If that is forgotten the rituals, the icons, the asceticism are just religion. And I say this as one who became orthodox. The oldest tradition is the Word of God and the Apostles. We are saved by faith in Jesus not by our adherence to rules and regulations that came together over many councils. Every religion has asceticism. Christians have the Gospel and only God gets the Glory.
Sorry but what you just said goes against the Orthodox tradition and sounds more like an advanced sola scriptura to me. We are saved by faith and works, and by the participation to the mysteries of the Orthodox Church. Of course, ultimately only God can choose our salvation but denying what I just underlined to talk about the Gospel and "faith alone" goes against everything the Orthodox Church stands for.
@mvpassi I'm just reading scripture. Plain scripture in the fresh light of day. If that's not orthodox enough, OK. It is fir me.
@@BabylonianCaptivity You do whatever you want, but you can't go around presenting unorthodox views as representing the Orthodox Church then. Voluntarily misleading people can be quite dangerous under those videos where some enquire about the Orthodox faith in the comments. God bless.
idolatry- plain and simple...
Two thousand years of the lived experience of the church, the writings of the saints and church fathers, deep theological treatises on iconography by those who literally died defending the faith vs a Protestant misunderstanding of what an idol is
@@Osafune2 Stop. You will not find a single proponent of icons until the 500s. Most of the idolatry practiced in the Orthodox Church traces back to John of Damascus in the 700s with his "windows to heaven" nonsense. He could make Arius blush.
While my Icon gently weeps…
Isaiah 44:9 All who make idols are nothing,
and the things they treasure are worthless.
Those who would speak up for them are blind;
they are ignorant, to their own shame.
10 Who shapes a god and casts an idol,
which can profit nothing?
11 People who do that will be put to shame;
such craftsmen are only human beings.
Let them all come together and take their stand;
they will be brought down to terror and shame.
Isaiah 44:14 He cut down cedars,
or perhaps took a cypress or oak.
He let it grow among the trees of the forest,
or planted a pine, and the rain made it grow.
15 It is used as fuel for burning;
some of it he takes and warms himself,
he kindles a fire and bakes bread.
But he also fashions a god and worships it;
he makes an idol and bows down to it.
16 Half of the wood he burns in the fire;
over it he prepares his meal,
he roasts his meat and eats his fill.
He also warms himself and says,
“Ah! I am warm; I see the fire.”
17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol;
he bows down to it and worships.
He prays to it and says,
“Save me! You are my god!”
18 They know nothing, they understand nothing;
their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see,
and their minds closed so they cannot understand.
19 No one stops to think,
no one has the knowledge or understanding to say,
“Half of it I used for fuel;
I even baked bread over its coals,
I roasted meat and I ate.
Shall I make a detestable thing from what is left?
Shall I bow down to a block of wood?”
Taking verses out of context
@FaithfulComforter it is what is written, you too can receive the Holy Spirit if your open to it, the Holy Spirit will help you understand Bible more clearly
It's a sin to worship icons!!!
Deuteronomy 4:12-16 VDC
[12] And the Lord spoke to you from the midst of the fire; ye heard the sound of His words, but saw no face, but heard only a voice. [13] He proclaimed His covenant, which He commanded you to keep, the Ten Commandments, and wrote them on two stone tablets. [14] At that time, the Lord commanded me to teach you laws and commandments, so that you will fulfill them in the land that you will take possession of. [15] Because you saw no face on the day when the Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire at Horeb, watch carefully over your souls, [16] lest you corrupt yourselves and make for yourselves a graven image or a likeness of an idol, or the image of a man, or the image of a woman,
Romans 1:23, 25 VDC
[23] and they changed the glory of the immortal God into an icon that resembles mortal man, birds, four-footed animals, and creeping things.
[25] for they changed the truth of God into a lie, and served and worshiped the creature instead of the Maker, who is blessed forever! Amen.
Exodus 20:5-6 KJV
[5] You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the iniquity of the fathers in the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me [6] and I endure to the thousandth generation those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Jeremiah 1:16 KJV
[16] I will pronounce my judgments against them because of all their wickedness, because they have forsaken Me and offered incense to other gods and worshiped the work of their hands.
The one true church is not an institution, it is every believer that holds to Biblical Christianity. Different domination does not necesarilly mean different theologies. Quite often, the only difference between denominations is geography.
I mean, if we take the "one true church" claim of orthodoxy seriously, we have to ask: which one? Because there are divisions within the orthodox church as well. I mean, does the Ukrainian Orthodox church count as the one true church, or the Russian one?
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church and the Russian Church are the one Orthodox Church, just in different countries, it’s not hard.
However, there is a schismatic group seizing canonical orthodox churches in the Ukraine, funded by the west and sadly seemingly supported by the Ecumenical Patriarch
Jurisdictions are not denominations, we’re not protestant sir.
@@FaithfulComforter There _are_ schisms in the orthodox church. Just recently the Ukranian church unilaterally broke away from the Patriarch of of Moscow, and the Patriarch of Moscow doesnt recognise them.
Serbian orthodox 🇷🇸☦️
Idols
The Roman Catholic Church traces its roots all the way back to Saint Peter. The Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church are both apostolic churches. We have differences in our disciplines and traditions but are both apart of the One true church Christ founded.
If Christ is one, then the Church is one. You cannot have one Jesus, and at the same time have two simultaneous churches as the one true church. Apostolic succession is one thing, but this alone does not result in the true Church. The Oriental Orthodox Church and Assyrian Church of the East also claim apostolic succession, and the Church of England can at least make an argument of apostolic succession in their case as well.
If Jesus founded the Church on St. Peter, as you said, and the Eastern Orthodox broke communion from Peter, namely with the Pope, that is called schism, and they are therefore not the true Church, but in schism from the Church.
We nonetheless profess their sacraments as valid, and I’m sure faithful Orthodox Christians are in the mystical body of Christ, but that is questioning the way God works outside of how we know He ordinarily works, which is beyond us.
I would argue that apostolic succession required that you continue to teach what the apostles taught. The Catholic Church has developed so much doctrine that was not present in the early church.
Transfer of guilt from original sin, primacy of Peter as defined in Vatican I, purgatory, immaculate conception to name a few.
We must pray that these errors are renounced and that the bishop of Rome will lead his flock back for the original church.
@@joshuagilmore7522 The teachings of the apostles has and will always remain the same. The Roman Catholic Church has the authority to create doctrine for the Church. Everything you have listed is all in scripture or is from tradition. You seem to have a very narrow view on how things work in Christ's church. I would recommend you do your research in all of these examples you have given. The website Catholic answers will give you the information you would be looking for, to help better your understanding. Me explaining to you why you would are wrong seems fruitless to me. Because you are not going to take my word for it. So if you really want to understand why we have that doctrine then seek it out to understand it.
@@timothygar1I was Roman Catholic for 35 years and studied very much the origins of all the doctrine of which I spoke. You can see a clear difference between the two roads that the east and west went down with respect to certain doctrine. Especially the heavy influence St. Augustine had on the west. My guess is that you have only read/studied the teaching from the Catholic point of view which is normal if you’re Catholic. But, of course they will continue teaching their dogma. Go back to the beginning, to the fathers and you will see when the west starts to diverge from all the churches in the east. It is very clear once you start looking at evidence and arguments from
The other side.
The truth was once and for all delivered to the saints Jude 3. There was nothing that needed to be created or developed. Certain things had to be defined to help defeat heresies, but nothing created.
@@joshuagilmore7522 I am Roman Catholic. I was an atheist before converting. I am aware of the arguments of orthodoxy against the Catholic teachings and they still fall short and do not convince me otherwise. You say you have been Roman Catholic for 35 years yet you seem to know nothing. As I have said before this is fruitless. I will not argue with someone who does not seek to understand. Catholic Answers is a good start for understanding the doctrine of the church. As well as opening your heart and mind.
I do not look down on Orthodoxy. I think they all have a unique beauty to their respective liturgies and traditions. The fact that we even have any schisms in the church is absurd and wrong. So don't think that I am dismissing Orthodox churches for they all have legitimate apostolic succession, sacraments and priesthood.
love from the roman catholic church ✝❤☦
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Indian orthodox never had any icons . They are using pictures, portraits and relics instead..
The Catholic church is Orthodox Christianity....by name.
The Catholic church isn't a "denomination".
All other Christian groups are denominated from it.
Orthodox do not follow the Christ’s teaching on marriage.
WHAT ARE CATHOLIC PEWS DOING IN AN ORTHODOX CHURCH???
WE DONT HAVE THAT IN SERBIA.
Друге Православне цркве користе клупе, није то ништа неуобичајено. Зависи од традиције до традиције.
It's in America so it's been Americanized
@@ChristianEphraimson A lot of Greek churches have pews. What are you talking about?
Pews are an unnecessary innovation. It’s not in line with church tradition they shouldn’t be in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Није традиција. Клупе су у Православље насилно и напрасно уведене реформама Васељенског патријарха Мелентија (Метаксакиса) 20-их година прошлог века, који је иначе гајио блиске везе са масонеријом, и који је најзаслужнији за увођење грегоријанског календара, и као такве су СТРАНЕ православној духовној традицији. Треба да научимо да гледамо уназад, у историју.
So they believe the 'bread and wine' is literally the 'flesh and blood' of Christ?
It becomes the flesh and blood of Christ during Divine Liturgy, yes.
@@mvpassi that's crazy. If it were symbolic I would understand but literal flesh and blood does sound cannibalistic.
@@dilanflowerz4171 I think this was the arguments of the first Jews to reject Christianity but JOHN 6:53 explicitly says: Then Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, unless ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, ye have no life in you. What do you make of this? Why would it be symbolic? Why then say the bread is His body and the wine His blood if it wasn't true?
@@mvpassi bro that literally is how symbols are spoken. Do you think Christ was literally saying to have a bite of my skin and flesh and blood?
How are parables symbolic but "eat my flesh and blood" not?
Why do you ask "why would it be symbolic?" That's strange, it's like you're not aware that eating someone's flesh and blood (cannibalism) is not normal.
Which follower of Christ ever ate his literal flesh and blood during his time on earth?
@@dilanflowerz4171
Do you think Christ was literally saying to have a bite of my skin and flesh and blood? Yes, as He says so in the scriptures. Why involve the flesh and blood if He could have just said bread and wine? I truly believe the bread and wine becomes His flesh and blood and that we were ordered to eat it.
Which follower of Christ ever ate his literal flesh and blood during his time on earth? The Apostles, during the last supper, where he literally talks about bread and wine being his flesh and blood. Do you think they ate simple bread and wine or was it a prefiguration of the Holy Eucharist where this miracle of being transformed into His flesh and blood would occur?
It's like you're not aware that eating someone's flesh and blood (cannibalism) is not normal. Those are earthly considerations when we were ordered to do so by Jesus and that's the only way to partake in His divine nature. Hope my explanations help.
I dont think you will go to hell if your catholic
i dont think you will go to hell if your orthodox
i dont think you will go to hell if your protestant.
We are all Christians.
We all believe Christ has risen. And our Lord gave hes own life for our sins.
Thats the most important for us. God Bless
are you a protestant?
The Orthodox Church is the One True Church. All other churches worship in delusion with differing heretical beliefs. Ecumenism in practice is distortion of the Truth.
just believing in Him doesn’t mean that that’s the only thing you need to do in order to go to heaven , you point of view is very soft , canonically there shouldn’t even be branches in christianity , only well……christians or i guess in this case orthodox since they still believe ortha = ίσια ( straight ) but even then they have made a new rule with that mason that rules them all that says that gay people can get married so i guess even orthodoxy starts to fall apart……there’s even an icon in russia that i am pretty sure is virgin Mary who is crying , just goes to show that no one today is right
@@pablogomesoliveira2677I think you are confusing orthodox and catholic. The “mason that rules them” you are talking about is the pope, no?
You are mistaken. Eastern Orthodoxy does not accept penal substitutionary atonement.
What church was this?
A small Orthodox Church called the Holy Resurrection.
@@BackpackReligion-ev4zqthat’s like saying grace baptist church. There are many. Where is the church?
the Holy Resurrection Serbian Orthodox Church in Lebanon PA USA.
120 E Weidman St. Lebanon PA@@BrantTheResidentCalvinist
@@BrantTheResidentCalvinistya, or like saying First Church of Christ hahahahahahahaha
Jesus is the head of the any Church who believes in Him and what He teached in the new testament, not all Churches believe in Jesus because they are focused more on religion then Jesus Christ, i used to be orthodox till Holy Spirit showed me the truth, Father Son and the Holly Spirit are one God, we know Christ true the Holly Spirit, it starts off repent from all your Sins and follow in
Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Then you take up your cross and Follow Jesus just like He said in Matthew 16:24, the Holly Spirit in you can help you from your sins, its not us that are good but the Holy Spirit in us, God helps us just like He said He would in John 14:18-21
John 14:26
This describes your icons thst are idols in Psalm 115:5-8
5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
8 Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.
Holy Spirit didn’t reveal that to you. You simply committed apostasy
@FaithfulComforter o really, then how did it help me from prnadiction, I use to struggle to quite, but when I received the Holy Spirit, God helped me, I don't struggle anymore, I don't even drink and smoke, that's truly the Holy Spirit, you too can receive it if your open to it and follow Gods written word.
@@BojanDjurdjic Praise God you overcame your addictions. Orthodox do adhere to scripture. You don’t fully know scripture.
Christ did leave a Church and said the gates of hades will not prevail against His Bride. Matthew 16:18-19
Did Christ not breath the Holy Spirit to the Apostles so they can forgive and remit sins? John 20:21-23 Holy Sacrament of confession
Did Paul not say the church is pillar of truth? 1 Timothy 3:15
Did Paul not say to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together? Hebrews 10:25
Did Paul not tell Timothy to stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter? 2 Thess 2:15
The Eucharist is a holy sacrament for eternal life. John 6:53
Don’t believe me or think it’s symbolic like Protestants mistakenly say? 1 Corinthians 11:23-30
Go read Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho.
God bless
@FaithfulComforter It's not by my strength that I don't sin, it's by the Holy Spirit in me. I might not know the Scripture but the Holy Spirit in me does know, who helps me understand better, Glory to God
Anybody who receives the Holy Spirit has the power of God to forgive. we are repenting to Jesus not Apposles, Jesus died for our sins not Apposles, thats if you didn't know, in John 20:21-23, that's why God says forgive your enemies Luke 6:27-28, Luke 23:34.
Because God doesn't want any one to perish 2 Peter 3:9.
Jesus preached a message about forgiving our brothers, as God forgave us. We stand in grace, and He expects us to keep our hearts pure toward others, not holding grudges or harboring a spirit of unforgiveness, especially after He gave us such undeserved love and forgiveness at such a high personal cost to Himself! He expects us to forgive others 70 times 7 times (Matthew 18:22). We are also told that if we are praying but hold something against anyone, we are to forgive that person so our relationship with God is right and righteous! Colossians 3:13 says, “Forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” We know we are His if we love our brothers and don’t hate them or have unforgiveness in our hearts (1 John 2:3-6; 3:14-19; 4:16-21). Forgiveness is a key to showing we indeed have eternal life inside us, according to these passages. If we say we love God but hate our brother, we are liars and no truth is in us. So, our forgiveness of others is a major indicator of true fellowship with God. God looks at the heart and actions, not mere words. Jesus stated while on earth, “These people come near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.” So, it’s important we have a living, genuine faith: “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers” (1 John 3:14).
Church is good only if it doesn't go against the Word of God that was written in the Bible, the Bible constantly warns us “not to go beyond what is written” (1 Cor. 4:6). This kind of exhortation is found throughout Scripture
The Corinthi,ans’ communion services had become corrupted with selfishness, drunkenness, and discrimination against the poor. Participants were neither honoring God nor edifying one another in their celebrations.
In the early days of the church, Christians celebrated the Lord’s Supper with feasts (Acts 2:46). Paul indicated that the Corinthians were favoring the wealthy and privileged but neglecting the poor. Some participants remained hungry while others got drunk. The Corinthians were publicly overindulging in their church services and discriminating against the poor. Their actions, Paul said, were equivalent to “despising the church of God” (1 Corinthians 11:22).
Hopefully you'll understand, God bless you
Must not be an internet evangelist, don't be a prick, uhhhhhhh this is so hard😭
The Bible is a Catholic book ❤️
literally no
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 , every Bible comes from Catholic Bibles, we decided what books are in it. Non Catholic Bibles belong to us also, y'all stole it
@@Church888”we” includes the orthodox, because at the time of the council that decided the canon, east and west were still in communion with each other. So if you’re trying to argue that the Bible is exclusively a Roman Catholic book, that’s obviously false.
@@jamesbishop3091 , Orthodox used to call themselves Catholic, Protestants protest what? 😎
@@Church888 Nice try, but the so-called RCC is actually the first protestant church, since *they* left the Body of Christ in protest. They're better labeled as Papal Protestants since there's nothing particularly catholic about them since they don't have the fullness of faith and they've changed with the times. So-called protestants today, are better named Reformed Protestants, since they pretty much democratized the papacy, among other things. Many of the latter, however, are barely Christian at this point, due to their non-Trinitarian ideology, hyper-individualism, etc.
The bread and blood is sacrificed to idols
What satanic say is that from you,going against the says of Lord God Jesus Christ .only a spiritual satan born person can say your says
It's sad what humans will do to Jesus. How they can even pretend anymore that icons are not idols. What would Moses say if he saw people bowing down to drawings of dead people? They even keep "relics" to worship too it's not just icons. Who do they think they are fooling.
Exodus 25:10-25 Building of the Ark of the Covenant
Numbers 21:7-9 The Bronze Serpent and asking for intercessions
7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.
God is God not the dead but the living.
Matthew 22
31 As for the resurrection from the dead, haven’t you read what was spoken to you by God when he said, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?[a] He[b] is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
@@isaiah107 Psalm 115
Psalm 115
1 Not to us, Lord, not to us
but to your name be the glory,
because of your love and faithfulness.
2 Why do the nations say,
“Where is their God?”
3 Our God is in heaven;
he does whatever pleases him.
4 But their idols are silver and gold,
made by human hands.
5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
8 Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.
I assume you're a protestant? Sola Scriptura? Your denomination is a joke and spits on the holy tradition of the church. You haven't even watched the video it seems.
If pictures are idols then feel free to delete all your social media photos
date back to Apostles? This is pseudohistoric. 😂
We trace our bishops back to the apostles, it’s called apostolic succession. I’m not an Eastern Orthodox, I’m a Catholic Christian. But we both trace our bishops back to the apostles, when they first started appointing bishops in the New Testament. This is well known and recorded Church history…
This is a claim that can be proven historically..Read a bit more before you claim something is psuedohistoric
@@kianis1206 I did research EO doctrinal claims, certainly venerating and kissing icons doesn't go back to Apostles. There's no historical basis for that claim.
@@crusaderforchrist8430 absolutely wrong..Why do oriental Orthodox also venerate icons but yet have been in schism with the Eastern Orthodox since the 4th century? The church of the east also venerated icons prior to the Muslim invasion…You would claim that it was the 7th ecumenical council that officially made it doctrine ..But both other apostolic churches were in schism for hundreds of years prior but still and always have had that practice except the church of the east but were geographically separated and were in schism for hundreds of years prior to your claim..
@@kianis1206 The schism in 4th century of OO churches has to do with christology issues. It doesn't mean they were cut off completely from Christendom. It can happen the practice of veneration of icons came much later, just before Muslim conquest. Like I said, there's no historicity that Apostles or even the Pre-nicene fathers venerated or kissed icons. To think otherwise is pseudohistoric. Like Jeroslav Pelikan, historian on early church said, "“the [Eastern] Orthodox were obliged to admit that, for a practice [Icon veneration] that was supposed to be based on the tradition of the apostles and of the church fathers, this one had very little written testimony, either in Scripture or in ancient Christian writers, to support it.” (pg. 99 from "The Christian Tradition” volume 2: The Spirit of Eastern Christendom)
Colossians 1 About Jesus:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not burdensome.
Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS….
1- THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME
2- THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE
3- THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THY GOD IN VAIN
4- REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY
5- HONOUR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER
6- THOU SHALT NOT KILL
7- THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY
8- THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
9- THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOURS
10- THOU SHALT NOT COVET
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Hebrews10:26-31- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!!..
These few verses unmask deception and reveal idolatry:
The idols of the nations are silver and gold, the works of human hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; they have eyes, but do not see; they have ears, but do not hear, nor is there any breath in their mouths. Those who make them become like them. SO DO ALL WHO TRUST IN THEM. Psalm 135:15-18
Deuteronomy 4:16
that you do not act corruptly and make an idol for yourselves of any form or shape, whether in the likeness of a male or female,
Jeremiah 7:18-19 KJV
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the ¨queen of heaven¨, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?
Mary and saint worship, Mary the mediatrix and queen of heaven? God cleary told us Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and mankind. Whoever else you use as mediator or pray to is IDOLATRY.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.
Saints dont intermediate and dont listen to prayers, they are dead people like you and me, made of flesh and they died, Mary also is one of them, she was a normal woman who gave birth to Jesus and she and other people may not be worshipped.
God declared the dead as the following:
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. 6Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
If the dead are alive somewhere... then who are the ones Christ will resurrect at his arrival?
*Second commandment (Ex 20:4): Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, ...*
this includes rosary necklaces, Mary and saint statues, Jesus, Mary and saint images, crosses, 'holy relics' and many more items used in worship by most denominations. People bow down before these things, kiss them, pray with them and that is wrong.
Christ is the mediator we pray towards, close the door and pray to him honestly without any items or images, he is the living God and does not share his glory with manmade things.
It is time to return to the old Hebraic faith of Jesus (Yeshua) and do what he did (obey the Fathers commandments and laws). There was no Catholic church or hundreds of denominations each with their own views and opinions back in the days of Jesus and the prophets. Believers had the old testament back then, which is the foundation of all scripture and the key to understand the new testament. Most Cathechism practices like rosary prayers etc are just invented in the 16th century.. first pope existed in 538ad and not in the apostles their days. those things got nothing to do with Jesus, its the traditions and vanities of religious men who went far astray from the Fathers commands.
Matt 7:22
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…
Berean Standard Bible
Only those who obey Gods commandments will enter the kingdom, there is a large familiar group of people who think they please Jesus but obviously they will be rejected by Him because they denied the commandments.
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You should actually discuss and/or debate these issues with an Orthodox Christian apologist, because there are answers for every single one of your misconceptions.
We worship God, not the saints, but we recognize that they are made in the image of God and are in the purifying presence of God, so that God is reflected in them. Not seeing the icon of God in other human beings will result in lust and anger. Not seeing yourself as an icon will lead to attachment to this world.
Jesus is the head of the any Church who believes in Him and what He teached in the new testament, not all Churches believe in Jesus because they are focused more on religion then Jesus Christ, i used to be orthodox till Holy Spirit showed me the truth, Father Son and the Holly Spirit are one God, we know Christ true the Holly Spirit, it starts off repent from all your Sins and follow in
Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Then you take up your cross and Follow Jesus just like He said in Matthew 16:24, the Holly Spirit in you can help you from your sins, its not us that are good but the Holy Spirit in us, God helps us just like He said He would in John 14:18-21
John 14:26
This describes your icons thst are idols in Psalm 115:5-8
5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
8 Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.
The Roman Catholic church wasn't the one that was schismatized and separated. It was the Orthodox.
lol
False