Heroes of Might and Magic IV - The Most Relaxing Music & Natural Ambience

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  • @PAULanthonyROMERO
    @PAULanthonyROMERO 8 місяців тому +275

    thank you for posting my music from this game. It's nice that these tunes are in one posting on UA-cam for people to listen. I'm glad you think that these are relaxing pieces of music. 🙏🏽❤️🎶 paul

    • @УгеныФуникулер
      @УгеныФуникулер 8 місяців тому +15

      I've been listening to music from the second, third and fourth parts of Homm all evening and crying. I don’t know why, but when I see something absolutely beautiful, tears appear in my eyes. Your creativity especially affects me. thank you so much for all your work, you are one of the most wonderful neoclassicists

    • @PAULanthonyROMERO
      @PAULanthonyROMERO 8 місяців тому +23

      @@УгеныФуникулер Thank you for your kind words. I'm very happy that my melodies can touch your heart.❤️🙏🏽

    • @Envoy007
      @Envoy007 8 місяців тому +4

      Me too men. Just crying out of nostalgia hitting hard. Beautiful, beautiful songs. Thank you so much. ❤

    • @letmein9022
      @letmein9022 7 місяців тому +6

      Thank you for "Floating Across Water"! Best of the best even after all this years

    • @dreadbalaur5761
      @dreadbalaur5761 7 місяців тому +1

      Did you take inspiration from some existing Irish/Celtic samples for the score? I recall running into a very similar track in The Witcher a few years ago.
      Regardless, thank you for your work. Your soundtrack was a sizeable part of my childhood. I always have the installers of III and IV installed on my computer and reinstall one or both of them once every several years. I just reinstalled III two weeks ago and have burnt so much time after work that I am already considering removing the game after this week .

  • @n7offtank
    @n7offtank 2 роки тому +370

    It's been 20 years, I still think HoMM4 has the best music in any videogame.

    • @Elchupanibres
      @Elchupanibres 2 роки тому +7

      It does y, sadly the game was so so, as a Homm-game the third is the master, but music wise nr4 has the best :)

    • @Tomil4444
      @Tomil4444 2 роки тому +10

      @@Elchupanibres 4th heroes only downside was of unclear postion of your army with some bad model rest is soo good

    • @stevereallyevil
      @stevereallyevil 2 роки тому

      good take

    • @Cr00xY
      @Cr00xY 2 роки тому +3

      Entire HoMM series has fantastic music (more or less same 2 guys are to thank for that). I can't really put 1 ahead of the others.

    • @Jahn_Pah_Jonz
      @Jahn_Pah_Jonz Рік тому +2

      How come I never played these games? The music seems very high quality.

  • @PhsykoOmen
    @PhsykoOmen Рік тому +116

    The great thing about HoMM music 1-4 is that it encapsulates the air of classic fantasy that truly feels like a world away.
    Alot of modern fantasy osts are loud and booming and too much of a spectacle, they miss the quietness of what makes fantasy special.

    • @theDoctorwitTardis
      @theDoctorwitTardis Рік тому +7

      Speaking from my soul mate.

    • @direwolf00
      @direwolf00 Рік тому +3

      Couldn't agree more. That matches my whole HoMM experience as well. A more peaceful sojourn into a fantasy world that feels like an escape not...another stressful experience lol

    • @ardisilir
      @ardisilir Рік тому

      @@direwolf00 You are so right. Spot on if I may say. I couldn't agree more.

    • @lubu7777
      @lubu7777 Рік тому

      💖

    • @bc3f4a
      @bc3f4a Рік тому +2

      it has fairy tale vibes

  • @ferdjur4195
    @ferdjur4195 4 роки тому +173

    Wonderful choice of music. Homm 4 is a rough gem that shines bright through the passion in its music.

    • @Elchupanibres
      @Elchupanibres 2 роки тому +2

      I agree

    • @mitingant
      @mitingant 2 роки тому +8

      And the best of those tracks are just Irish music samples.

    • @PCmaniacSK
      @PCmaniacSK 2 роки тому

      @@mitingant thank the goat paul anthony romero for that

    • @somedudeok1451
      @somedudeok1451 Рік тому +1

      "Rough gem" is undeserved praise. The only good thing about the game (but that part was VERY good) was the beautiful music. Heroes 5 was so much better at everything except the music and yet that game too had great music.

    • @wampyrelli
      @wampyrelli Рік тому +1

      @@somedudeok1451 I hate the art direction past Heroes IV, which is the main reason Heroes V is the last one I've played, and I haven't really played that one too much either. :(

  • @imix9253
    @imix9253 Рік тому +23

    I remember when i played HoMM IV as a kid, "Searching for a Dream" was such a beautiful song for me that i would go to the grass for it to play and I would just go to my window and gaze at the stars at night. This OST has a very special place in my heart.

    • @tommyr5621
      @tommyr5621 Рік тому +3

      That’s so sweet, the music of these games would take me to so many places as a child…

    • @imix9253
      @imix9253 Рік тому +1

      @@tommyr5621 I know bro, the fact that this music had such effects on us as kids is very telling. Very powerful compositions.

  • @alienc
    @alienc 2 роки тому +62

    You have entered the sanctuary enemies cannot attack you while you stay here.
    You are safe.
    You have entered the sanctuary.

  • @mrhappyz6614
    @mrhappyz6614 2 роки тому +74

    This remind me of how Emilia Transform from a desperate peasant into a glorious queen, also how Elwin's love for Shaera transform him into a dependable man. iMO, heroes 4 has the best music and story.

    • @lord6hearts
      @lord6hearts 2 роки тому +14

      Amen. Best fantasy campaigns i've ever seen

    • @lukas8708
      @lukas8708 9 місяців тому +4

      true that. HoMM 4 is heavily underrated

    • @matthewsurburg3528
      @matthewsurburg3528 3 місяці тому +2

      "I am Gauldoth Half-dead, your ... savior." The wry delivery from the voice actor was spot on.

    • @Ironica82
      @Ironica82 2 місяці тому

      HOMM4 had a great campaign. However, the way the heroes leveling system worked really discouraged me from doing skirmishes. I just went back to either 3 or 5 for those.

    • @CheetahCrusader
      @CheetahCrusader 2 місяці тому

      Because it was debeloped with love and passion.

  • @rizzycrab3431
    @rizzycrab3431 Рік тому +9

    how i love the music from the HoMM IV, it's just heaven for the ears...

  • @purpletea3807
    @purpletea3807 Рік тому +3

    As I close my eyes to listen better... I can just see them, the dreams. Of those vast, seemingly endless plains; vivid in their simplicity and only riled up by the occasional birds flying earthward and other creatures of eternity's nature. And the only thing I want is to keep on wandering, and see more of it.

  • @Dragon635-p8m
    @Dragon635-p8m 2 роки тому +30

    Heroes of Might and Magic 4 have best music in all series, in my opinion)

  • @eugenio3449
    @eugenio3449 2 роки тому +47

    really peaceful! I loved playing HOMMIV as a kid, the soundtrack has always been in my playlist since then. Thanks for the video!

  • @Akiawa1
    @Akiawa1 3 роки тому +21

    My childhood...thank you ♥️♥️♥️

  • @ilikeanimeverymuch
    @ilikeanimeverymuch 2 роки тому +26

    Heroes 4 are definitely unpolished gem with so much potential they could have been easily best HOMM game ever if someone would reboot it with biggest problem fixed such as:
    1) Heroes would gain +1 attack and defence every 2 levels making combat not manatory skill.
    2) Useless class would be rebooted into something better (such as beastmaster and beastlord speciality).
    3) Each hero would have its unique speciality based on lore/previous heroes game and description.
    4) More units.
    5) More items, sets and option to sell items.
    6) Fix of useless skill (such as summoning from nature to be level based).
    7) More spells and effects that are and aren't already in game (e.g. protection from life, terror, protection from might, ice circle, freeze) and fixing of some spell abuse.
    Those are some changes I find HOMM4 needs.

  • @jakecob864
    @jakecob864 2 роки тому +18

    Not many people know that the authors of a compilation album called "Complete Celt" are to be thanked for a good chunk of that soundtrack. Romero got little time to finished the most and he got many ready to use tunes there.

    • @weaintfriendsweaintfriends7346
      @weaintfriendsweaintfriends7346 Рік тому +2

      Yes he arranged the samples like a genius. You can often hear songs that use the same samples on tv or in other games from that time, and they mostly suck

    • @Outshinedsg
      @Outshinedsg Рік тому +6

      TBH it's kind of incredible make a soundtrack this memorable with an extremely limited timeframe to work and having to use existing samples by necessity. Romero is remarkably skilled as a composer to make it sound this good in those circumstances.

    • @somugaienparfu7752
      @somugaienparfu7752 Рік тому +2

      Ah so that's where the bagpipe sample from early Fairy Tail episodes comes from

    • @mattwilkinson9128
      @mattwilkinson9128 4 місяці тому

      @@Outshinedsg The incredible thing is he stole the whole demo track and claimed the credit for it. 4 times. That is incredible. It's quite quick to do that but it's not legal of course.

  • @czechchad6186
    @czechchad6186 3 роки тому +60

    I started with this one, even if others hate the Homam IV for me it will stay a game of wonderful adventures and amazing stories. Thank you for making this splendid mix. Could you do like a mashup ambience of Homam III, IV and V?

    • @epoch933
      @epoch933 3 роки тому +33

      I have never got to the point, why so many fans hate homm4... Comparing with homm 6,7 and even 5th part , homm4 are much better

    • @ElenaSin100
      @ElenaSin100 3 роки тому +1

      @@epoch933 no

    • @michaels3857
      @michaels3857 3 роки тому +12

      @@ElenaSin100 yes

    • @XEyedN00b
      @XEyedN00b 2 роки тому +11

      @@epoch933 This stems from HOMM3 where the gameplay could be much more min-maxed, competitive and specialized, especially the battles. HOMM3 battles were 2D sprites on a grid, where if you knew what you were doing you could beat surmounting odds by tactics like 1-stacking.
      This is absent in HOMM4 due to an urge to introduce 3D and an isometric view, which looks OK (although every humanoid moves like it's about to take a dump) but introduces a lot of chaos and unpredictability into the battles.
      One might say - yeah, that's how battles look like, chaotic. But if you're used to HOMM3 surgical precision of battles HOMM4 is quite a shocker.
      And then there are some questionable decisions like
      - you have to choose between types of creatures after lvl 1
      - units can roam the map without a hero but cannot capture buildings
      - hero can roam the map on his own and is an active participant of the battle, which means, towards lategame, a stack of black dragons will just munch on your carefully raised, painstakingly developed spellcasting hero and you're fkd.
      But overall I fell in love with the game, perhaps thanks to this beautiful music.
      I feel like a remaster, that uses the same music, map mechanics but updated 3D models and grid based combat could be potentially be a bestseller.
      Later installments felt too Warcrafty to me and I never played them.

    • @epoch933
      @epoch933 2 роки тому +2

      @@XEyedN00b well, the diversity of creatures after the first level gives you some kind of chose to make according to your tactics. The same thing we see in 7th part and is pretty OK. hero, who takes part in battles - rather questionable perhaps, but interesting. War is war - heroes may die))
      Actually, I found only one really big problem- the spell of creating an illusion. You can't do anything counter it - rather disbalansed thing. Roaming creatures are shocking, but... you know, I like some roaming every turn - the world lives no matter you do)
      And of course music. It is breathtaking.
      Sorry for my English, hope you understand me))

  • @tafcho84
    @tafcho84 Рік тому +5

    5:15 I just love it. I start the campain again after 20 years.

  • @fatesz2197
    @fatesz2197 Рік тому +2

    Music is important! If the background music were so good in real life, angels would exist ❤. Best game ever! I'm also a huge fan of h3, but the music here is on a nother level. It touches ur soul, doesn't it?

  • @keinott4509
    @keinott4509 2 роки тому +15

    We need those soundracks on vinyl! It's amazing!

    • @MrLothlorien123
      @MrLothlorien123 2 роки тому

      that is an awesome idea...how to make this happen????

    • @stefan1924
      @stefan1924 2 роки тому +2

      Heroes 3 OST is available on vinyl

    • @keinott4509
      @keinott4509 Рік тому

      @@MrLothlorien123 I have no clue 😔

  • @vincentpol
    @vincentpol Рік тому +1

    Such a gorgeous painting.

  • @Ssin..
    @Ssin.. 7 місяців тому +1

    My childhood

  • @seadoglonelyseal
    @seadoglonelyseal Рік тому +3

    the music glue me on the chair playing this game from early moring till 2 am the next day

  • @hansbauns
    @hansbauns 3 роки тому +32

    Można mnie za to ukrzyzować, ale Heroes 4 to moim zdaniem najlepsza gra serii. A już na 100% gra z najlepszą muzyką.

    • @bartoszkonopka1114
      @bartoszkonopka1114 2 роки тому

      gra niestety nie ale jest dużo lepsza niż 6 i 7 ale soundtrack dominuje każdą inną gre w serii

    • @karp02-m
      @karp02-m 2 роки тому +2

      @@bartoszkonopka1114 ja osobiście lubię 6, ale soundtrack z 4 jest naprawde wybitny

    • @bartoszkonopka1114
      @bartoszkonopka1114 2 роки тому

      @@karp02-m 6 dla mnie ma jeden ogromny problem aby sprzedać lepiej dlc z kompletnie niczego dodali postaci Sandro i Craga którzy nie mają swojej prezencji z 3

    • @likenot3073
      @likenot3073 2 роки тому +1

      Zdecydowanie najlepsze wspomnienia mam z gry w czwórkę. Piąta część była cudownym odnowieniem gry, wspaniały dobór aktorów głosowych w polskiej wersji, jednostki i miasta wszystkie wyglądały świetnie i kazda frakcja miala swoj wlasny styl. Trójkę doceniam ale może młody trochę jestem (01 rocznik), to aż tak mnie nie ciągnie do niej. Jesli sie przyczepic to w czworce miasta same w sobie sa bardzo niedorobione, kazdy model miasta to kwadrat, brakuje frakcji demonów. Księga zaklęć zdecydowanie najbardziej mi sie podoba w czworce jednak. O mojej opinii przeważa historia postaci w kampaniach, tak dużo czytania ale jak ktos chce sie wciagnac w gre to bardzo przyjemna jest droga praktycznie z kazda dostepna postacia. Czworka artystycznie troche odpada z tylu, ale najlepiej moim zdaniem wciaga w swiat fantastyki

    • @Tomil4444
      @Tomil4444 2 роки тому

      Zgadzam się z Tobą w 100 poza faktem że można na każdym sprzęcie grać w 3 nie rozumiem kultu 3 wychowałem się na czwórce i uważam że 4 jest najlepsza zaraz później 5

  • @jonathonsmith8299
    @jonathonsmith8299 4 місяці тому

    I'd forgotten how much I loved the music from this game. So good!

  • @cwejter
    @cwejter 2 роки тому +3

    I'VE BEEN LOOKING SO MANY YEARS FOR THIS TRACK. I couldn't remember where was is from...
    It's good to be HoMM (hehe)

  • @simonhakansson8187
    @simonhakansson8187 3 місяці тому

    The best ambience from a high fantasy game I've ever heard. I would perhaps rate Diablo 2 higher, but that's more dark fantasy. Tremendous Fantasy music!!

  • @proestunicorn1883
    @proestunicorn1883 Рік тому +2

    As controversial as HoMM was, I don't know anyone who wouldnt't agree it has the best music in series, frankly, I find it one of the best game music ever.

  • @ALKingSky
    @ALKingSky 2 роки тому +8

    To those who claimed that H4 isn't as good as H3, I have 1 point for you: all the other series a hero would require at least 1 unit to run an army. In H4 you can have AN ARMY FULL OF HEROES. If that's not epic and unique, what is?

    • @ALKingSky
      @ALKingSky Рік тому +1

      @@patrickhatten8450 true, in fact I started playing H3 shortly before H4 came out. And during my campaign run for H3, I only opted for gold and never experience when stumbled on treasure chests. Because getting the unit earlier will allow u to win most battles which consequentially yield exp. I did the same strategy in H4 only to find that a level 20 fully combat skilled hero can solo 5 black dragons and an archmage can raid a castle all by herself. You will have to consider the resource and exp balance more and there's more to the game than building collecting and raiding.

  • @sagexjeff7533
    @sagexjeff7533 2 місяці тому

    Its a privilege to esr that 👍homm4 music is thebest by far

  • @falcofan8521
    @falcofan8521 3 роки тому +21

    Kocham to

  • @GameEssences
    @GameEssences 2 місяці тому

    The music is better than the gameplay. Awesome.

  • @lubu7777
    @lubu7777 Рік тому +3

    So beautiful🎼💖

  • @KonMann
    @KonMann Рік тому +1

    Bless you for this upload! More than a half of my life ago, still one of the fav games off all time. The music had a lot to do with it; I was delighted to hear the variations in Witcher 3.

  • @SilenceManifests
    @SilenceManifests 3 роки тому +6

    Great mix! Love the Celtic vibe...

  • @AnemonSC
    @AnemonSC 3 роки тому +9

    Great music!

  • @13Astralized13
    @13Astralized13 8 місяців тому

    Wandering is something else..something from a time where pain doesnt exist

  • @JukusMaximus
    @JukusMaximus 3 роки тому +15

    The music in this game stands out in the test of time, I listen to it almost constantly. I've also heard it being sampled in other media, not sure which one is the original one at this point, but I choose to believe it's this one, since it's the oldest one I know. (other media being: Fairy tail, Naruto(The last), Black and white 2(game) and probably a few more)

    • @EB-bl6cc
      @EB-bl6cc 2 роки тому +4

      some of these songs are based on famous irish folk songs and a lot of games/movies/etc have adopted them, so that is the explanation. I guess the originals date back hundreds of years, not sure, would have to do some digging to find the full details

    • @PrinceMaino
      @PrinceMaino 2 роки тому

      it is also used in Lineage II

    • @mattwilkinson9128
      @mattwilkinson9128 4 місяці тому

      All are taken from Complete Celt. Some licensed correctly. This case the unlicensed music was used illegally and without any credit.

  • @BlackDiamond2718
    @BlackDiamond2718 Місяць тому

    Hommiv main theme, chaos, and might are my absolute favorites of that game.

  • @Szilihub
    @Szilihub 3 роки тому +8

    Perfection!

  • @xdxed5911
    @xdxed5911 Рік тому +13

    It reminds me these days when everything was so simple…

  • @yan-zhilinn1402
    @yan-zhilinn1402 2 роки тому +8

    I liked the wide array of different possible tactics in HoMM4 over the other parts, even if I think HoMM3 is just flatout a better game. But no title in this series has a soundtrack closely as a good as HoMM4, undeniably.

  • @TrMortis
    @TrMortis 3 роки тому +11

    it remembering my childhood days

  • @eusblack
    @eusblack 4 місяці тому

    some of these melodies are very close to those in Lineage 2, example "The player" starting from 10:15

  • @ГригорийПьяных-к8н

    Блин, мне снова 12 лет и у меня вся жизнь впереди. и нет больших проблем, чем пройти кампанию за нежить))))

    • @csanad28
      @csanad28 Рік тому

      😂😂😂😂😢

  • @eruifuin
    @eruifuin 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you! 💗💗💗

  • @MabusCRO88
    @MabusCRO88 10 місяців тому

    Probably the best music in gaming

  • @MichalSerenity
    @MichalSerenity 8 місяців тому +1

    Wandering :O

  • @dariocastillo3595
    @dariocastillo3595 6 місяців тому

    Is the same singer of Stronghold's Soundtrack

  • @weedman984life
    @weedman984life 2 роки тому +3

    Not the best HoMM game (IV), but music and sounds... Priceless....

  • @votanlean
    @votanlean 5 місяців тому

    listen this on the early morning before golive my feature!

  • @NkTOZZ
    @NkTOZZ 2 роки тому +15

    Вы можете забрать у меня Героев, но вы никогда не заберёте у меня воспоминания о Героях

  • @puciohenzap891
    @puciohenzap891 Рік тому +2

    Hope

  • @benoitreinquin4853
    @benoitreinquin4853 Рік тому +1

    Is it just me or Wandering and Searching for a dream are from Warlord's Battlecry 2 and not HOMM4? It is also a game I'm fond of and whose music is epicly awesome (or awesomely epic)..

  • @omgtwlol
    @omgtwlol 5 місяців тому

    Wandering track is very similar to one of four ambient tracks from Warlords Battle cry 2. The games were released in like 2 weeks between each other, very interesting. Both were Ubisoft IPs at the time, right?

  • @djpetarciric6814
    @djpetarciric6814 Рік тому +1

    🐎🐎Tkt tkt tkt tkt tkt tkt tkt tkt....

  • @TheBritishSans
    @TheBritishSans 6 місяців тому

    I have an exam on my university tomorrow. What i've been doing last night? Of course, plaing heroes 4 till 3 am

  • @TrickyTrickyXV19
    @TrickyTrickyXV19 2 роки тому

    02:21 Wandering instrumental z funky polaka :P

  • @obereg2282
    @obereg2282 8 місяців тому

    Кто этот гений музыки? Игра имеет +50 к ностальгии за счёт музыки

  • @PeterConan
    @PeterConan 2 роки тому +2

    а нихуёво исполнили партии и не только здесь, это прекрасно в целом, можно даже сказать, что это идеально в какой-то степени, так что я могу это рекомендовать всем, включая себя и окружающих повсеместно, с чем, собственно я согласен и готов дать обязательства слушать этот эпизод вместе с вами и также с жителями этих и близлежащих земель, в том числе и заморских, так что, собственно, об этом и веду свой разговор в эту позднюю пору, сидя у камина с бокалом эля, или даже с двумя, братья!

  • @JosePrietoTroyano
    @JosePrietoTroyano Рік тому

    9:00 Federiiicoooo los fideeeeooooos

  • @Kotikiobirmotiki8
    @Kotikiobirmotiki8 6 місяців тому

    👍👍👍

  • @Olzme
    @Olzme 11 місяців тому +1

    Where is this art from?

  • @СергейБеляев-д3ж
    @СергейБеляев-д3ж 2 роки тому

    12.20 как же я искал этот трек)))

    • @envyg29
      @envyg29 Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/MzlRs65atzw/v-deo.html

  • @Gelios_channel
    @Gelios_channel 5 місяців тому

    💚

  • @klapacjuszanimomon8501
    @klapacjuszanimomon8501 Рік тому

    Really,I cannot think of any game that has better track then homm4 one. Well mayby Old World of warcraft is high enough.
    But Paul A. Romero is Top tier

    • @mattwilkinson9128
      @mattwilkinson9128 4 місяці тому

      'His' best work is what he stole. So he's really second division at best. 🙂

  • @rickdlap196
    @rickdlap196 6 місяців тому

    "Wandering" clearly was an inspiration for The Witcher 3 "The fields of Art Skellige" ost. Its the same thing ! ua-cam.com/video/NknjE2SBPxw/v-deo.htmlsi=oSGoZSY2GxWEv2Zp at 0:38

  • @ivaylo_zhivkov
    @ivaylo_zhivkov 2 роки тому +5

    i remember first time playing Heroes 4 after years of playing Heroes 3, and it felt like cheating

  • @williamolsen5904
    @williamolsen5904 Рік тому

    Herding animals ain't bad because we leave wildlife sources alone - willy 0

  • @williamolsen5904
    @williamolsen5904 Рік тому

    Bision is a good example and buffalo and gazille and elk and deer - willy 0

  • @NITRO_4000
    @NITRO_4000 3 роки тому +2

    02:21 0_0 looks like The Witcher OST

    • @JaneXemylixa
      @JaneXemylixa 3 роки тому +5

      Both used the same sound library. The Heroes devs didn't have time or money to do a completely original soundtrack :(

    • @SavolX
      @SavolX 3 роки тому +24

      except this game precedes the Witcher by almost a decade.

    • @RobDiesALot
      @RobDiesALot 3 роки тому +14

      Its a folk standard, I believe it appears in some other games and even movies. They are basically all "cover" versions of classic ballads. I think its Irish or something like that.

    • @karp02-m
      @karp02-m 2 роки тому +3

      @@JaneXemylixa it have been taken from some celtic culture music

  • @Masmix77
    @Masmix77 3 місяці тому

    Damn lineage 2 has very similar soundtrack..

    • @ruufansan
      @ruufansan 3 місяці тому

      I have heared that some of lineage 2 soundtracks same as some homm soundtracks were created based on old well known songs

  • @gegart01
    @gegart01 Рік тому

    I don’t like griffins like this

  • @williamolsen5904
    @williamolsen5904 Рік тому

    A giant pork steak not of the gods because Muslims are allowed in so there's fewer sales anyways the health benefits get a buff mass production isn't as bad - willy 0

  • @zes3813
    @zes3813 3 роки тому

    no such thing as might or relax etc or no, idts