Could This 200k GB Disc Save Physical Media
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The TJCS crew discuss a 200,000GB optical disc that scientists just developed that could replace the current blu-rays that hold a 100GB limit.
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My wife is a librarian and she has given a whole new perspective on what it takes to actually preserve knowledge and media for future generations. Streaming is by far the most convenient thing, but it drastically reduces our chance that we'll have certain media that exist today. I do think these disc will be amazing for archiving and possibly at-home storage. With that much storage you'd be able to create your own digital library that is curated with the media you currently own. That way it's not stored off-site, but locally for you and your family to enjoy.
I collect physical. I'll never change until I'm forced to. Streaming is great, but the compression is way worse than physical resulting in an inferior picture.
I'm glad you have a hobby you enjoy
I agree with in principle but most people don't are about so companies will not make a profit
It’s also the extras from commentary’s to makings of that we lose which is gone if we don’t keep it.
Yeah, same here. Streaming music isn't as good either. I got a DAC with USB to 3.5 mm analog since everything is BT now. UHD looks better on disc as well.
@@gaztheman7879 Keep in mind that Denis Villenuve doesn't want deleted scenes on his DVDs, so that is even less value for your physical purchase. Not to say other directors will follow suit, but companies may try adding less content to the disc for the same price.
I still buy physical media because streaming doesn't have a lot available and many things dissappear after a while.
I also don't trust streaming to stay affordable. Eventually I think streaming will be overpriced and limited on product.
I hate when they pull a movie from streaming that is why I have a physical media collection and than there are things that they will never stream like Suicide Club or Taboo with Kay Perker.
Value has been a calling card of streaming to this point, but greed is definitely beginning its (predictable) climb.
No internet means no movies, no games, etc...I really don't like the sound of that. Is the internet forever? If we get into a war, there would certainly be an effort to knock our internet connection out, and along with it all those digital entertainment options. Physical media must survive.
If we into an internet ending war. Your ability to watch movies is at the bottom of your priority list.
@@Cody-r5p That is quite true, but movies can provide an escape during rough times. And after the hypothetical war is over, whatever damage there is to the digital infrastructure still won't affect your physical collection
@@jordanparks6885 i think we will be a bit more analog in our entertainment then.
@@Cody-r5p yeah analog would certainly play a part
so, the internet goes down but power doesn't.
Imagine, the entire MCU on one disc. Shut up and take my money.
We need to have physical media no matter what.
I agree with in principle must people don't care they are not cinema obsessed so they will not turn a profit
Give it another ten or fifteen years, and physical media will be illegal. It's too difficult to control.
Make it re-writable and this is god-tier
I'm younger than everyone interviewed here and while I originally like streaming and VOD for a while more than physical media, the past few years have proven me wrong. Streaming services can remove their library at any time and with VOD the "purchase" you make only gives you a "license" to view the content, not actually own a digital copy. In that way VOD is more like an NFT or a certificate that says you own land on the moon vs. something like an MP3 you used to buy on iTunes. Aka it's a scam and while it's obnoxious when Blu-Rays have included previews, it beats having your content stripped away from you because you only bought a "license" to view a thing vs. an actual copy of the thing. Hollywood is a stagnant dying business for a reason and the sad way it has tried to redefine ownership is yet another sign of that fact. So yeah for the stuff I really care about, I'm going with physical media unless it gets open sourced somehow.
Nothing i repeat Nothing could ever Replace Physical Media it gives a deeper mean of having your personal items because u have it
I really do hope they make this beacuse I love physical media.
me too buddy
One Disc to Rule them All
1st Disc : HBO
2nd Disc: Disney + Hulu
3rd Disc: Prime
4th Disc: Miscellaneous
…coming soon!
The problem isnt rhat blu rays cant hold enough, the problem is that people would rather stream. No amount of storage would fix that.
Why can't we just have DRM-free digital movies? That way you at least have the option to backup and play your movies on whatever device you want, even if you lose access to the account you bought it from, or the movie gets removed from the server, etc. The music on iTunes are DRM-free, video games at GOG are DRM-free. Movies should be the same as well.
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This is like Men in Black tech, "I'm gonna have to buy the White Album again."..... and the entire Discography and filmography of The Beatles in one disc
I’d still prefer to have everything displayed individually. You can’t beat the feeling of looking at all the spines.
It's a luxury
I use a hdd 16gb drives for the movies but this disc coukd be a changer because at times i gotta swap drives. I'll almost never have to swap a disc and lets face it. A mastered 4K disc with DOLBY VISION HDR & full dolby atmos on disc is wayyyyyy better than the stream version.
Exactly
How this will be used depends entirely on how fast the data can be read from the disk. It very well may only be useful for storage and people may even find retrieving information from such a medium to be slow. For example if you can only get 10 megs a minute from it, you might not use it for storage at all. Playing video above 480p would be a stretch, too.
External Harddrives are insanely expensive, what will this do to the pricess, will this make the 8tb 12tb external drives affordable?
That would eliminate one of the main reasons I collect these days. Special packaging and editions for display.
You can have a whole streaming service on one disc 😂
What is the difference between this and an external hard drive?
So how would we get all of what we own onto said disc? How do we combine what we have to that disc? Expensive software? Just trying to see the overall benefit vs just "sounds great in theory"
You would have to transfer your movies yourself to that disc in the same way we can create custom DVDs with multiple movies in it. However, the process becomes really tedious and time consuming if you own hundreds of movies. So, it's not practical.
However, we could see entire series being sold on one disc, like the entire Start Trek collection or the entire The Simpsons collection, etc.
Physical will always be superior🔥
And yet it’s dying faster and faster every year.
@@johncampeaso? people don't make the smartest choices but that doesn't mean physical media isn't superior. But one other point to consider is that more and more licensing problems on streaming plattforms and games occur more and more often which leads to discussions of ownership. it could very well make a comeback if this continuous to happen.
@@johncampea you aren’t a true movie lover or cinephile as you are so desperate to portray yourself as. Only seeing movies digital is absolutely blasphemy when it comes to wanna experience the best quality of a movie at home. You don’t own js when you are owning them digital so spare all of us your unprofessional non valued opinion
@@johncampeamovie theaters are also dying off, so does that mean watching film at home is superior? The new generation will never understand the magic of the movie going experience
@@johncampeaoh really? Then why are sales climbing every year, and why is it still a billion dollar industry? Troll.
Physical will never die out. Don’t know where you’re getting your info but it’s wrong.
Ocpcommunications said it best physical media isnt dying the market for it is just changing its now market towards big film buffs and collectors with lables like umbrella entertainment arrow video shout factory
I like having a library of books and films. But then again, I have the space for it.
Forget TNG, you could actually fit every Star Trek show, and movie on one disc in HD and still have plenty of room left over
That disc could hold everything on Netflix with room to spare.
Imagine the video games that could be made on these disks!!! A 100TB game rendered all on one disk!! In 8K and 60fps! And faster to no loading. I could see this use for that more than movies and Tv shows. Maybe this will be ready for the PS6 or PS7 generation of gaming!
We don't know the read speed of these disc.
The limitation for video game quality is not storage, it's CPU and RAM. A bigger disc will change nothing.
But can it fit the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition on one disc?
Now I want to have the new one week long Jackson cut on that disc
those disks arent made for media... they are for long term storage. Blueray already holds all you need for a movie
I love that you used Star Trek TNG as an example!
I'm a collector so for series this cool for movies this would suck. I want to champion a movie I love. I want the packaging i want art work and special features. I want each movie in my collection to be a conversation piece when a friend comes over to my house to hang and they look through my collection.
More storage? Count me in!
bro you could put the entire blu-ray series of star trek next-gen @ 400gb total, on one disc, x500.
I still buy physical video games i prefer actually. Also some tv shows have got ep deleted from the streaming sites, dvd will have everything.
Exactly! So many tv shows, specials and unique movies not available anywhere on streaming or arbitrarily removed never to be seen again. Having the physical copy allows you to experience at your own convenience.
The problem with that is, it might be difficult to convince people to pay $150 for one disc. Even if it is the whole series. Especially if they already have the series on Blu-ray. But for new people thinking of entering the physical media band wagon, it could be enticing.
While I would love this for myself, I would like to see movie studios use these to backup EVERYTHING they film for a movie in an uncompressed format, including behind the scenes stuff, scripts, interviews that are done, all the raw footage and the final version or versions. Make 3 or 4 copies of the disc and then store them in different locations.
This way we would never lose a movie ever again because a fire happened, or the film rotted away, or because some director 30 years later adds in a bunch of stuff that kind of messes up the original film or maybe cause the salt cave they were stored in had a cave in or flood or something.
And of course store a bunch of players for the discs with the discs.
My only thing is how much for that player to play that disc.
Ya no kidding
How much do you figure they're going to charge for the discs themselves? $200? $300?
200TB disc is it going to be rewritable disc if not its not good for anyone
One thing that would be the cost of the disc then the special player.
I'm 58 and have over 1500 dvds from prerecorded to transfer from vhs to 📀 dvds.
Space is an issue to store .And how long will take transfer the discs then how fast to actually access??? But the issue with removed movies and series.Then 20 streaming services to access everything???
This ironically will be niche and limited to the collectors Then most are not buying Discs now.Whos their target. EORRR HORROR certainly not the current environment 🤔🤔🤔???
Good Video 😎
Now that I think about it. I have so many 4k Blu Rays, but never had a 4k Blu Ray player. I just stick the disks in my computer and upload to my NAS.
Just get 2 and back up your files to the 2nd one.
What would be interesting is to see if this tech could lead to something like paying a la cart for several movies (all from different distributors) and getting all of them copied onto a single disc. It would be cool to see a 3rd party company convert someone’s digital library into disc form for convenience, better quality video, perpetual ownership etc.
i've been going to thrift stores to buy up all the dvd's that i can find, i'm running out of room but will keeo on getting it, i prefer physical media
This would be the downfall of physical media lol.
The investment that would have to be put into it...
New machines to write the discs.
New players to read the discs.
Hope that people want to go out and buy a likely expensive new device, that also likely wont bring any new resolution or quality advancments....
All so that they can buy old movies and shows that have been bundled together...
Because new movies wont get bundled. (Aside from maybe a combo version if its a sequel)
At best this would allow you to buy complete series on one disc, or even The Infinty saga on one disc, but its still gonna be the price of 22 movies
I would go back to physical media if the Switch released movies. There is a convenience factor with digital in that it’s portable. Switch movies would bridge that gap for me.
That kind of optical disc is for professional enviroments
We will never have another disc for home media, UHD Blu-Ray is the last one.
The data transfer of optical drives and discs is slow af, even the oldest and slowest HDD (5400rpm) is faster than any optical drive to date. that's why games must be installed to HDD or SSD to work properly
The disc could be useful for movies, but let's be realistic, current players have issues reading triple layer discs, an optical drive capable reading over 100 layers (like this new disc has) will be expensive af
If people are barely buying movies on 4K Blu-Ray, what makes you think they will spend thousands of dollars on a new player, and even more expensive movies?
Would love to know how much a disc like this would cost & can someone edit video off it lol
I'd rip all my dvd and blu ray collection to a few of these disc
Loved this convo.
The benefits of physical media are many, and now that the disadvantages of streaming are being experienced, the converts are again slowly being converted... 😉
No they’re not lmao. Physical media will be obsolete
@@wallyjackson9543 Maybe not you, but give it time... 🤣
Without question. I would absolutely invest in this!
What if a games console were to use this. Games keep getting bigger and with this we could return to plug in and play minus updates and the console wouldn’t need a massive hard drive. This would be great if you could install your steam library to one of these too.
YES THIS!
that's not possible, games must be installed to the HDD or SSD, because of the data transfer speed needed to stream assets and files,
optical drives are slow af, that's not something Sony or Microsoft wanted to impose, is just a technical limitation of the optical discs
even the oldest and slowest modern hdd has an average transfer speed of 800 megabits/s
a blu ray can barely hit 200 megabits/s with an average optical drive
for 4k movies on blu-ray, that speed is more than enough, the bitrate is around 80 megabits/s, but for videogames, optical discs are outdated and useless
NERRRRRRRDS!!!!!!!!
Everyone thought streaming music would make cds and lp records obsolete and cds are still being produced and lp records have seen a resurgence watch the same happen with streaming video it won’t survive collectors won’t go away and digital media won’t satisfy that collector bug people need something tangible they can admire and hold and put on their shelf.
ONLY if the Disk is Re-writable or not. Yes, if I could add and erase whatever I wanted, I would totally be interested in this new Disk.
Physical media for me only.
There is organic dye that imprints the image onto physical media (squished between plastic) decomposes after 10-20 years on DVD's. A lot of physical media has been created with the thought in mind to be transitional media $$$ by design.
I will always buy and collect physical media and I’m FAR from being the only one. Always remember that you only own media when you have a physical copy. When you buy movies and TV shows digitally you’re purchasing a licensing agreement, not the actual film. And the streaming model doesn’t work. Nobody’s making any money, not even Netflix. Lastly, no person who regularly buys or collects physical media would ever get something like that. Frankly, it’s fucking stupid. Sure, it might be good for an entire TV series, but no movie collector would ever buy something like that. Not to mention all the money making issues on the part of the actors and filmmakers, plus having to create a new way to play them? Yeah not gonna happen. Physical media still does really well, just look at something like Shout! Factory and their Scream Factory division for horror. The studios need to step up their game, and we’re starting to see them do just that with 4K and standard Blu ray restorations with awesome bonus features. People need to be incentivized and reminded of what they’re missing. That’s the answer, not a 200TB disc.
Your numbers are way off. Star Trek TNG was approx 7x23 =161 or less than 160 episodes + seven years of Deep Space Nine, Voyageur, Enterprise + TOS equals about 640 sub 48 minute hours. Squeezed into a 4000 - 6000 hour disk. Think of adding all your favourite sitcoms when growing up and you may fill a disk.
That's all good if it leads to 8k movies ,video games, and other content available to consumers.
Once the disk break then all ur data goes kaboom 💥
I’ve seen this discussed before but don’t see how this applicable to physical media. It may be another way for people store their ripped content but I don’t see how it can be applied to physical media sales. What we need is high bit-rate streaming to replace physical media. But I understand why companies aren’t running to get that going.
I think the future of physical media will be a cart that will be able to have a movie downloaded to it.
Great for video games.
Imagine how much GB it will take to download GTA 6 next year 😅
I'm all for it. I am all about physical media. I want to own it.
As a dad of a 10 year old… the last time she used physical media is when she wanted to watch the original power rangers… she wanted the season 1-7 collector bundle… but then she found it on UA-cam , Netflix and Pluto… she hasn’t touched it since … 😭😂😂
No. Physical audio/video media will become a niche just like vinyl records are for music.
I would considerate it for 8K or 16K films and if I could afford a 180” tv might go laser screen then
what's next 200k films?
I would have to do a pretty good inventory but I’m guessing I’ve got anywhere between 4 to 5000 discs it could be more I’m not really sure
Physical media can never be altered
It can if your disc gets scratched. Never say never.
I don’t see this being of very much use except for like archivers and such. Who’s gonna own so much media for this to matter?
Still won't be able to hold the entire The Simpsons series.
It won't matter how much it holds. This generation doesn't want to get up off the couch to put in a disc.
this disc can hold 200000 movies at 720p
put it in once, and watch it for the rest of your life
Getting off the couch for 1 minute isn’t hard work.
sounding like Hal9000
I have the oppo 203 bluray player that thing went up in price
one disk to rule them all
Physical media isn’t dying. It’s just changing.
Becoming even less convenient and unaffordable, yes
@@spicymemes7458 maybe to the lazy good for nothing slackers.
@bobbysworld7425 how are they lazy and good for nothing?
@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS they don’t want to get off the couch just for one minute to swap out a disc, which requires very little time and energy. They don’t want to work, correction, they want the “big paycheck” but don’t want to actually earn it by doing the work. They value convenience (that REEKS of laziness!) over superior quality.
I thought you were going to say it’s not dying it’s just resting
The gaming industry would do well with this
no more excuses for the video game industry to not put full games on discs and actually complete the game before they sell it.
I'll say this until I'm blue in the face: WE DO NOT want to live in a world without physical media or even ownership of art. We cannot let our lives be run by subscriptions.
It's A future. Not THE future. We're not going about this right because we're not trying to improve things for people anymore, we're just focusing on pure profit with no regard for customer happiness. It's wrong and I hope we reverse course someday.
I did a calculation, and 16TB is all I need to everything I do for my entire lifetime. Now imagine a 200TB rewritable disc.
That would be insane but I would love that. The cloud is cool but I feel physical copies of stuff is very important
"16TB is all I need to everything I do for my entire lifetime."
... man, the day you find out about porn will be a hell of a shock.
@@Erichwanh low-res VR porn is usually a GB. I still delete more than I keep.
1 DISC TO RULE THEM ALL! 💿
Physical media enthusiast here. CD's, DVD's, Blu-rays and 4K Blu-ray's are my jam. Id definitely be interested for sure
New Disc - All movies from Year X... they'll be great... e.g. "Ooh got the 2000 movie disc today, can't wait!"
I still buy physical and i rip my disc to my NAS and stream through Plex. Best og both worlds. I have the convience of stream but still my physical copy in case soemthing happens.
As someone that works within the home video industry, I want to just say that physical media is still a very lucrative business, primarily because of the collectors, and the ability to turn a simple Blu-ray or DVD release into a limited edition, collectible set
One disc to hold them all.
Physical media is not dying.
6:40 no it literally is.
Few years back my internet was out … for 2 weeks!! So to get to watch something i pulled out my old bluray and dvd collection .this hit hard with me that internet is so fragile and untrustable i began to collect physical again. Also were gonna pay more for streaming in the future
My internet went down yesterday morning - I know exactly what you mean. It reminded me again of why I keep my discs.
I never understood why would one discard one technology (that works fine) for a new one. Like many people I still have my vinyl collection, my CDs, laserdiscs, DVDs, and plenty of Blu rays. Each format has its own charm, and limitations, but they all function well.
Storage alone won't "save" physical media (it doesn't need "saving"). What WILL drive the demand back up for physical media is the rising cost of watching content on streaming services. Just my .02.
I will always buy my favorite movies on physical disc cause the quality and sound r just way better than streaming!
Nothing beats physical media
except kaleidescape
Bit rate is king. Why bother making better TVs if all you're going to get is 15Mbs 4K from streaming? Plus, you don't own sh!t if you can't hold it in your hand.
The reasons to buy physical media are:
1) you don't need a subscription.
2) you don't need internet connectivity.
3) you get the best, consistent image quality.
4) you don't fear it being removed from online catalog.
5) you better support the maker/artist with a traceable sale rather that a stream (ask the struggling Spotify streaming musician)!
6) Oh, and you potentially keep the original edit which might later be censored or 'changed' (think French Connection, ET or Star Wars).
Amen! people waking up to all the points you mention.
Like rob said. There are certain movies that are simply never going to be released in digital. I was recently Looking for a movie called Haunted Honeymoonwith Gilda Radner and gene wilder. I used to watch that movie all the time but I can’t find it anywhere. Movies not the greatest but I’d still love to be able to play it on a physical device
It was released on Blu ray by Kino Lorber
I prefer physical media
This is actually really cool. Imagine having one disc with every Warner Brothers movie, one with every Disney movie, one with every Sony movie.