Friedman's sound like modded Marshall that has been through a mixing console with compression. The Friedman's always sound more compressed and less punchy then a Marshall, but that can also be because whoever dials them in always goes for WALLS of gain and bottom.
@@Fnnggjjithe JEL and maybe the Phil X have the most punchy tones in their line up. I not saying the rest of the line up doesn’t sound great, the demos are mostly gained out, and in the flesh they lack the Marshall punch.
@@lyricbread I have. Multiple times. It’s a great sound, but it is a refined , specific variant of the Marshall tone. If there is an echo chamber it is that they are the only Marshall style choice
@@mhb450 I definitely ageee with the refined bit. I have a couple friedmans and a Landry which is more of a 800 style amp. The Landry has this shrill bite to it that’s not as controlled or predictable as the top end on the friedmans. Gives the amp character and a more aggressive feel
Dave Friedman has answered my emails in the past. That alone has made Friedman Amplification my "Go-To" amp manufacturer. I wish Marshall the best and hope that its new amps become legendary like the ones that established the company's reputation. Some of the pricing I'm hearing about though may put these amps out of reach for some people.
@@adminag1 he didn’t answer my email. I asked him why do Friedman Amps have such sexual and objectively sexist names? Brown Eye? You can’t seriously name an amp after a bum hole can you? That’s so childish. A “Dirty Shirley”?!? Have you seen what that’s described as on Urban Dictionary? It involves sticking a finger up somewhere particularly unsavoury then putting it in their mouth. What a disgustingly overt sexual reference. A “Twin Sister” is when you tuck your penis in between your legs to make it look like you have a vagina. You can’t call it that can you? That’s got to be transphobic right? “Pink Taco”… Seriously? How can this mean anything other than a vagina? “Buxom” Betty? Obviously referring to breasts. A lot of this is overtly sexual and just normalises the objectification of women. … He didn’t reply. Must have been busy playing the next amplification device, a “Rusty Trombone”.
I can be totally wrong but the first piece has like a subtle Andy Timmons vibe to me or at least something I heard from him in TrueFire. Love it . I know you're talking about gig amps and professional musicians, I just want to share my last experience with Marshall , I have a little Marshall DSL 5 for practice at home and the clean channel is lovely , it lacks volume compared to the dirt channel and in general but is a practice amp or at least I have it with that purpose , to have the real sound when you want to ry pedals at home and it takes pedals really well . For the price I think it's a good option for a bedroom amp if you like to be in the clean, is not going to brake your bank account and you can play it without having the police knocking at your door .
Right now on Andertons the JCM 800 reissue is £1457. The new modified JCM is £2699. The mods just make it sound like a tube screamer is in front of it. That’s a £1242 uplift on the price to make it sound like a £100 overdrive is on. Ouch.
You could make a very nice pedalboard for a budget of £1200 that would make much more of a tonal impact and difference than the three switches they added on the modified version. If it was a very marginal price difference for the modification these would fly off the shelves. As things stand these are destined to be a flop. The only people buying these will be lawyers, doctors, hedge fund managers and/or people with more money than sense.
This comment echos the same sentiment of a comment I made on another video. Lee Anderson’s put that comment to the Marshall rep on their video and he tried to squirm out of it.
@@adamalexanderray I believe the new one is hand wired. Idk what it will look like but Marshall pcb amps aren’t the best quality and use cheap parts. I’m hoping that the upcharge will also give you a better built amp. To me that’s worth it if I’m keeping the amp for life as it makes it much more serviceable and reliable. BUT we’ll see what it looks like when people start taking them apart.
As soon as the new marshalls come out, Tone Junkie or Top Jimi will have profiles for my Kemper and i'll have that tone for $20 that very day. So bring it on, it will be a good addition for my library. Sounds good to me!
I was thrilled when the Marshalls were announced, then I saw the prices.... I'm either going with the Friedman Plex or the new Jose modded Friedman amp. Even considering the Marshall 1987x which is only €1444 in EU! But yes, as an owner of a Friedman SmallBox 50 I agree that Friedman amps are killer. They do lack thwt Marshall aggressiveness and high end sizzle and are a bit more compressed overall.
What I wanted from Marshall was something like the V4 preamps and amps from Victory, or the IR preamps from Friedman. But releasing 3-grand modded amps and a series of regular overdrive pedals, it's kinda too little too late in my view.
Killer playing on the opening jam, mate! Love it. Just covering my ass here...John mentioned my opinion on the lack of 'gigable' clean on the SV20. Please bear in mind I'm talking only about that specific amp, not a real 'Plexi'. John is also talking about a 20 watt amp in that section of the video. Plexi's can sound good clean, please don't rush to be offended! Plus I dig my amp, it's amazing. These 20 watt amps are designed to distort quickly and at volumes that won't kill you. It's why they're useful. It's purely an issue of headroom on these low wattage versions of those classic amps. You won't be able to hear an SV20 over a drummer until it's about half way up, by which point it's no longer clean! John had asked me whether the SV20H had clean sounds, but since we're both gigging guitarists I answered in those terms, not how it sounds at bedroom level. To summarize, you could play clean with your SV20 if...your drummer uses marsh mallows instead of sticks, you clip the bright cap, or you have sufficient hearing damage that you don't notice the treble that will make a normal person's teeth itch. (The lower you go on the bright channel, the more the treble cap cuts in) Buy an SV20, you won't regret it. Clean is for pussies. Ben
I hate to say it, cause I wanna love Marshall, but that price point, I might as well get a Friedman, which is my dream amp anyway. At least they didn’t drop a helix clone or something else derivative.
Been using marshalls since the early seventies. Owned every era and model. They all do the same thing. It's about time Marshall got up to date. The tube amp has been superseded
I just don’t understand why Marshall is not trying to do anything innovative and producing some things that fit the needs for modern players. I love Marshall amps and will always have a few……but they could be killing it in the market if they did something like the Synergy concept and incorporated things like IR loading. A new, updated JMP-1 preamp with said modern features, maybe in a pedal format, would EXPLODE! What are they doing??! 😫
What needs do modern players need that they don't already have? UA has the Lion, Victory has the V4 Sheriff, and Origin has the Revival Drive. There are many more options than those but those are just examples of digital, tube, and analog emulations. There isn't anything to innovate. Anyone can easily get a Marshall sound from numerous products. The only thing they won't get is the Marshall name.
@ That’s exactly my point. Marshall needs to offer more than just reissues of 50 yr old amps. I love those amps, but I’m not going to drag a 100 watt 1959 that weights a ton and costs almost $4,000 around to gig with. They are catering to the content creation and collector crowd and not offering products that make sense to the working players. They are being left in the dust and have become a legacy brand……..it’s disappointing.
I can’t think of anyone wanting yet another digital modeler because it says ‘Marshall’ on it. I think they tried their hand at one some time ago and it didn’t really work out for them. People want old school tube heads from Marshall.
@@christopheranderson2158 why is it disappointing? There are still working guitarists using big amps. And if you don't want a big amp, the studio line is available for you. Plus, there are products from Boss, Two-Notes, and UA if you're having trouble getting the most out of your tube amp in practical situations.
At $3300 asking price in the US I'd rather have a Friedman. Or, more realistically, a modeler, and a high end guitar, with some money left over for beer.
They seem really awesome. The price seems crazy. Like 1200 more than the normal handwired 1959 for mods? 3700 us for the plexi seems just shooting yourself in the foot. If they were the same price as the regular handwired 1959 or even a couple hundred more I think they would sell a bunch. But at that price I think most would stick with a Friedman
True, this amp is modded jcm is expensive. But Marshall has a great line up of amps that suits most of guitar players and their needs so that's ok. I live in the EU and Marshalls are affordable amps, even their classic reissues such as silver jubilee or 2203x are reasonably priced for 100watt heads that have a lot of history in the music industry
The product is right but the pricing is wrong, in my opinion. Right now, i'd buy a Victory Supersheriff instead, for a 100w plexi thing. The day i buy a valve amp, it will be a Friedman Jerry Cantrell JJ15
The pricing on the modded Marshalls is just stupid and the selection of mods is peculiar as well. No Variac/Low Voltage Mode. No extra tube gain stage. Instead it's a bit of solid state clipping and a pre phase inverter master volume on the 1959 which no one ever asked for. At least some good news for Dave Friedman with the fires and all. Hoping we'll get to buy the Friedman Jose in Europe as well.
how much is a gower modded 800? that might be illuminating on the price point marshall went for here. agree it's quite expensive and more than i was expecting when looking at the stock 800 reissue. but also it's the king of amps so why not!
To be honest, there's always something that doesn't sit right with the Friedmans, too compressed and muddy. If I want the Marshall sound, I would just by a Marshall really. Only one I really like over a Marshall is the new Slash Signature from Magnatone. But that one is out of my range...for now anyway🤣
My next one on the list is a 1987X! (and I have another 3 Marshalls, all combos, JVM, JCM TSL and JCM DSL) I would not pay 3k on an amp, Friedman or Marshall. I do think that the 3k is a "custom shop" Marshall with all the mods, so that is kind of expected. Just like you said a few times with guitars, as soon as you get to 2k for a guitar ... the game is changing (and most times not worth it). Same thing applies to amps, if you reach 2k for an amp ... I don't know, not for me!
@ that’s your fantasy, not physics. A guitar speaker actually cuts frequencies high and low, that’s why correct choice is so important. When Angus of AC/DC plays he never hears from his amp, it’s off stage enclosed, miked up and we get blasted by the PA and the band themselves only hear a monitor mix from the desk.
@@iancclark1 "They don't let you bring in 4x12 anymore"... Sound familliar? A 100W+ stack in a medium sized room/bar/venue/whatever will damage hearing.
If you want cleans and drive sounds get the SILVER JUBILEE. it’s amazing
Friedman's sound like modded Marshall that has been through a mixing console with compression. The Friedman's always sound more compressed and less punchy then a Marshall, but that can also be because whoever dials them in always goes for WALLS of gain and bottom.
The JEL line gets closer to the raw Marshall tone?
Echo chamber. Dime a Friedman through a 4x12 and get back to me.
@@Fnnggjjithe JEL and maybe the Phil X have the most punchy tones in their line up. I not saying the rest of the line up doesn’t sound great, the demos are mostly gained out, and in the flesh they lack the Marshall punch.
@@lyricbread I have. Multiple times. It’s a great sound, but it is a refined , specific variant of the Marshall tone. If there is an echo chamber it is that they are the only Marshall style choice
@@mhb450 I definitely ageee with the refined bit. I have a couple friedmans and a Landry which is more of a 800 style amp. The Landry has this shrill bite to it that’s not as controlled or predictable as the top end on the friedmans.
Gives the amp character and a more aggressive feel
Dave Friedman has answered my emails in the past. That alone has made Friedman Amplification my "Go-To" amp manufacturer. I wish Marshall the best and hope that its new amps become legendary like the ones that established the company's reputation. Some of the pricing I'm hearing about though may put these amps out of reach for some people.
@@adminag1 he didn’t answer my email.
I asked him why do Friedman Amps have such sexual and objectively sexist names?
Brown Eye? You can’t seriously name an amp after a bum hole can you? That’s so childish.
A “Dirty Shirley”?!? Have you seen what that’s described as on Urban Dictionary? It involves sticking a finger up somewhere particularly unsavoury then putting it in their mouth. What a disgustingly overt sexual reference.
A “Twin Sister” is when you tuck your penis in between your legs to make it look like you have a vagina. You can’t call it that can you? That’s got to be transphobic right?
“Pink Taco”… Seriously? How can this mean anything other than a vagina?
“Buxom” Betty? Obviously referring to breasts.
A lot of this is overtly sexual and just normalises the objectification of women.
…
He didn’t reply.
Must have been busy playing the next amplification device, a “Rusty Trombone”.
The early Police clean tones were Marshall Plexi. They’re underrated cleans. Very different sound and approach to how our friend Ben uses his.
I can be totally wrong but the first piece has like a subtle Andy Timmons vibe to me or at least something I heard from him in TrueFire. Love it .
I know you're talking about gig amps and professional musicians, I just want to share my last experience with Marshall , I have a little Marshall DSL 5 for practice at home and the clean channel is lovely , it lacks volume compared to the dirt channel and in general but is a practice amp or at least I have it with that purpose , to have the real sound when you want to ry pedals at home and it takes pedals really well . For the price I think it's a good option for a bedroom amp if you like to be in the clean, is not going to brake your bank account and you can play it without having the police knocking at your door .
Right now on Andertons the JCM 800 reissue is £1457.
The new modified JCM is £2699.
The mods just make it sound like a tube screamer is in front of it. That’s a £1242 uplift on the price to make it sound like a £100 overdrive is on.
Ouch.
Your comment is spot on. I would add an EQ pedal for the tight/mid shift options and voila you can get the same sounds from a 2203x
You could make a very nice pedalboard for a budget of £1200 that would make much more of a tonal impact and difference than the three switches they added on the modified version.
If it was a very marginal price difference for the modification these would fly off the shelves.
As things stand these are destined to be a flop. The only people buying these will be lawyers, doctors, hedge fund managers and/or people with more money than sense.
This comment echos the same sentiment of a comment I made on another video.
Lee Anderson’s put that comment to the Marshall rep on their video and he tried to squirm out of it.
@@adamalexanderray I believe the new one is hand wired. Idk what it will look like but Marshall pcb amps aren’t the best quality and use cheap parts.
I’m hoping that the upcharge will also give you a better built amp. To me that’s worth it if I’m keeping the amp for life as it makes it much more serviceable and reliable.
BUT we’ll see what it looks like when people start taking them apart.
As soon as the new marshalls come out, Tone Junkie or Top Jimi will have profiles for my Kemper and i'll have that tone for $20 that very day. So bring it on, it will be a good addition for my library. Sounds good to me!
I was thrilled when the Marshalls were announced, then I saw the prices.... I'm either going with the Friedman Plex or the new Jose modded Friedman amp. Even considering the Marshall 1987x which is only €1444 in EU!
But yes, as an owner of a Friedman SmallBox 50 I agree that Friedman amps are killer. They do lack thwt Marshall aggressiveness and high end sizzle and are a bit more compressed overall.
That rendition of Highway To Hell was sooo JNC. 😂
What I wanted from Marshall was something like the V4 preamps and amps from Victory, or the IR preamps from Friedman. But releasing 3-grand modded amps and a series of regular overdrive pedals, it's kinda too little too late in my view.
Killer playing on the opening jam, mate! Love it.
Just covering my ass here...John mentioned my opinion on the lack of 'gigable' clean on the SV20. Please bear in mind I'm talking only about that specific amp, not a real 'Plexi'. John is also talking about a 20 watt amp in that section of the video. Plexi's can sound good clean, please don't rush to be offended! Plus I dig my amp, it's amazing.
These 20 watt amps are designed to distort quickly and at volumes that won't kill you. It's why they're useful.
It's purely an issue of headroom on these low wattage versions of those classic amps. You won't be able to hear an SV20 over a drummer until it's about half way up, by which point it's no longer clean!
John had asked me whether the SV20H had clean sounds, but since we're both gigging guitarists I answered in those terms, not how it sounds at bedroom level.
To summarize, you could play clean with your SV20 if...your drummer uses marsh mallows instead of sticks, you clip the bright cap, or you have sufficient hearing damage that you don't notice the treble that will make a normal person's teeth itch. (The lower you go on the bright channel, the more the treble cap cuts in)
Buy an SV20, you won't regret it. Clean is for pussies. Ben
I hate to say it, cause I wanna love Marshall, but that price point, I might as well get a Friedman, which is my dream amp anyway. At least they didn’t drop a helix clone or something else derivative.
Been using marshalls since the early seventies. Owned every era and model. They all do the same thing. It's about time Marshall got up to date. The tube amp has been superseded
I just don’t understand why Marshall is not trying to do anything innovative and producing some things that fit the needs for modern players. I love Marshall amps and will always have a few……but they could be killing it in the market if they did something like the Synergy concept and incorporated things like IR loading. A new, updated JMP-1 preamp with said modern features, maybe in a pedal format, would EXPLODE! What are they doing??! 😫
What needs do modern players need that they don't already have? UA has the Lion, Victory has the V4 Sheriff, and Origin has the Revival Drive. There are many more options than those but those are just examples of digital, tube, and analog emulations. There isn't anything to innovate. Anyone can easily get a Marshall sound from numerous products. The only thing they won't get is the Marshall name.
@ That’s exactly my point. Marshall needs to offer more than just reissues of 50 yr old amps. I love those amps, but I’m not going to drag a 100 watt 1959 that weights a ton and costs almost $4,000 around to gig with. They are catering to the content creation and collector crowd and not offering products that make sense to the working players. They are being left in the dust and have become a legacy brand……..it’s disappointing.
I can’t think of anyone wanting yet another digital modeler because it says ‘Marshall’ on it. I think they tried their hand at one some time ago and it didn’t really work out for them. People want old school tube heads from Marshall.
@ Me neither…….I’m not talking about digital modeling.
@@christopheranderson2158 why is it disappointing? There are still working guitarists using big amps. And if you don't want a big amp, the studio line is available for you. Plus, there are products from Boss, Two-Notes, and UA if you're having trouble getting the most out of your tube amp in practical situations.
Great playing mate. The first jam was cool.
At $3300 asking price in the US I'd rather have a Friedman. Or, more realistically, a modeler, and a high end guitar, with some money left over for beer.
They mostly go to 60-70% of a launch price after few years
I like that they are hand wired. By the time you land one in NZ will be 7k ish. Expensive furniture as I mostly use my hxstomp lol
They seem really awesome. The price seems crazy. Like 1200 more than the normal handwired 1959 for mods? 3700 us for the plexi seems just shooting yourself in the foot. If they were the same price as the regular handwired 1959 or even a couple hundred more I think they would sell a bunch. But at that price I think most would stick with a Friedman
What is that offset?
Marshalls are great, excellent clean and crunch. More expensive in US for sure and they don't allow import at all from Thomann etc (+VAT free).
Marshall is about 10 years behind Dave Friedman and a bunch of other amp builder/modders 😂🤦🏼♂️
Ceriatone has been making "modified" Marshall-type heads for years. They're all below the 2000 USD price point.
True, this amp is modded jcm is expensive. But Marshall has a great line up of amps that suits most of guitar players and their needs so that's ok. I live in the EU and Marshalls are affordable amps, even their classic reissues such as silver jubilee or 2203x are reasonably priced for 100watt heads that have a lot of history in the music industry
The product is right but the pricing is wrong, in my opinion. Right now, i'd buy a Victory Supersheriff instead, for a 100w plexi thing.
The day i buy a valve amp, it will be a Friedman Jerry Cantrell JJ15
Have you tried a Friedman JJ Jr or a Runt 50 (if you want more control on your cleans)? Victory sheriff 25?
Ma una volta Marshall costruiva amplificatori ad un prezzo abbordabile??????? Saluti dall'Italia 👍😇
The pricing on the modded Marshalls is just stupid and the selection of mods is peculiar as well. No Variac/Low Voltage Mode. No extra tube gain stage. Instead it's a bit of solid state clipping and a pre phase inverter master volume on the 1959 which no one ever asked for. At least some good news for Dave Friedman with the fires and all. Hoping we'll get to buy the Friedman Jose in Europe as well.
John,
Just curious why a Friedman Twin Sister Combo wouldn’t interest you with its foot switchable clean / crunch channels and master volume?
how much is a gower modded 800? that might be illuminating on the price point marshall went for here. agree it's quite expensive and more than i was expecting when looking at the stock 800 reissue. but also it's the king of amps so why not!
To be honest, there's always something that doesn't sit right with the Friedmans, too compressed and muddy. If I want the Marshall sound, I would just by a Marshall really. Only one I really like over a Marshall is the new Slash Signature from Magnatone. But that one is out of my range...for now anyway🤣
My next one on the list is a 1987X! (and I have another 3 Marshalls, all combos, JVM, JCM TSL and JCM DSL) I would not pay 3k on an amp, Friedman or Marshall. I do think that the 3k is a "custom shop" Marshall with all the mods, so that is kind of expected. Just like you said a few times with guitars, as soon as you get to 2k for a guitar ... the game is changing (and most times not worth it). Same thing applies to amps, if you reach 2k for an amp ... I don't know, not for me!
1987X and Silver Jubilee are the best Marshalls
1987x is the marshall id pick today.
Might slightly slow their decline but that's crazy money......
Remember to set the input properly 😂😂😂
For £3k I would be looking at Fractal for modelling/effects.
Bloody hell that is insane money 😳
Much more interested in the new pedal range than an overpriced amp
Marshall purchased by Chinese company Hongshan...01/23/25
Live in the USA? Buy a Friedman. Live abroad, buy a Marshall.
Marshall can just go away at this point. I wouldn't notice.
I would take a modeler any day over some crap one off amp. There is just no reason anymore for amps. Feed the modeler into a cheap monitor!
Except when you try to play with someone that's using a real amp lol
@@BOSSenjoyer guitar amps can't match PAs if it comes to volume wars.
@@iancclark1 Tube poweramp section and guitar loudspeakers cut through a PA to the point of making people flinch on 3.
@ that’s your fantasy, not physics. A guitar speaker actually cuts frequencies high and low, that’s why correct choice is so important. When Angus of AC/DC plays he never hears from his amp, it’s off stage enclosed, miked up and we get blasted by the PA and the band themselves only hear a monitor mix from the desk.
@@iancclark1 "They don't let you bring in 4x12 anymore"... Sound familliar? A 100W+ stack in a medium sized room/bar/venue/whatever will damage hearing.
Hilarious