I also agree, the guy who wrote Zen and the Art of Moto Maint. also wrote a second book called Lila - in which he came to the conclusion that BOTH the static and dynamic aspects of humanity are necessary to it's survival. The static part is the one in which our sense of self at the moment is preserved, sort of an anchor in this unfolding reality - and the dynamic aspects are those that explore the surroundings, both abstract and concrete and find new possibilities for growth and change. These two forces are constantly affecting one another and trying to balance, and often times gain dominion, over themselves and the opposing force, but it doesn't take a real deep thinker to see that both are probably essential to any future we may have.
What an effective shot of Andre's reflection in the mirror while Wally goes off on a wonderful tangent. Lets his expressions play off Wally's words in real time.
It's on the table, don't you notice the glances down at the table? I know some people do look away when talking, but the script is on the table. Not to say that they don't remember any lines though
that's what I believe the entire film is about, learning to live the happy medium, not being too consumed by world pleasures but also not abandoning civilization completely to live in hopeless boredom, it's about a balance which is what I try to live.
Wallace Shawn seemed really nervous and overly self-aware and awkward in The Princess Bride several years later. Like he was just doing it for the money and fame by that point. He gains big money but he starts to literally degrade mentally and emotionally in the several years inbetween. Also, he's absolutely beautiful. Like a mini Michael Gove.
Shawn makes a very trenchant observation: When you can't count on a cockroach-free, cold cup of coffee in the morning, you in trouble, baby. You in trouble.
What happens when a fundamental materialist confronts timeless esoteric wisdom. Essentially what a lot of My Dinner is about. First saw this film 30+ years ago in college. It resonated with me when I had no life lessons to understand why. Lived those 30 years and agree with Andre's character more than ever and now can explain why.
Yesterday an alumni group of perhaps fifty mostly older people gathered at Elm Lee Farm the first one I had been to since graduating in '62. There were many old friends obviously getting older who I enjoyed seeing and they me though I wasn't expecting to be remembered. Several times I mentioned what The New Yorker magazine had meant is the biblical scripture of our generation. A class mate of yours remarked on the complete disappearance of humor for which it had been so noted. None of them had been New Yorker contributors but all agreed how fundamental it had been. But the advertising revenue which made it possible has vanished altogether into thin air. I can recall a long black car arriving and out stepped your impeccably dressed father William who was a far cry from you then or now in appearance. I looked up on Wickepedia your classmate confidant Jonathan Schell who lived to 70 when I had thought he died at a much younger age. I hadn't read much of his work but the profile of him indicated that critics found him excessively over reactive and soon forgotten. A relook of your most notable film with Andre seemed far more a grasp of reality after lengthy far fetched diversions from him. Some years ago I caught a glimpse of you attending a concert of your brother's composition at Chapin Hall, Williams College. '
Shawn said that "I actually had a purpose as I was writing this: I wanted to destroy that guy that I played, to the extent that there was any of me there. I wanted to kill that side of myself by making the film, because that guy is totally motivated by fear. (wiki)
Humans are pretty amazing! Leads and understudies in plays memorize hours of speech and spit it all out in one go. It's certainly impressive, but a movie can be incredible not only because they memorized the script but also because they spent ages reshooting and editing to get what was first imagined.
at different points in my life from 25-28 I watched this movie. At first I could respect his perspective. Now I'm genuinely thinking what the fuck is wrong with Wallace I look around me and everyone is the same sad carbon copy automaton
The thing that Endgame taught me was to solve Time Travel you needed a mobius strip inverted. That is the shape of the universe, no beginning and no end. Alpha and Omega.
So basically he is just saying that he concentrates on the distractions in his life. Also, there are billions of people in this world that do not have access to those basic pleasures that he mentioned. That is what we need to work for, to make sure everyone has an opportunity to these basic pleasures of life.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I absolutely think that we should be able to think about others, that we should work to make the world better for everyone. But if our sole responsibility was to helping others, who would be there to help ourselves? And if others deserve to feel comfortable simply by dint of being human, do not we, ourselves, deserve to be comfortable as well? Wallace's character is not selfish, he's not distracted or close-minded. He's a man who has found his own little niche in the society to which he was born, and lives modestly and comfortably in that niche, asking for little and taking only as much as he needs. When you blame him for focusing on his "distractions", it seems as if you are denying him the right to simply enjoy the processes of living, of waking up to a beautiful sun, of having the gift of air in one's lungs. What would you have him do? Donate all of his money to charity? Live as a monk, praying and flagellating himself, working himself to the bone so that others may enjoy the pleasures that he should deny himself? To me, that sounds like the kind of man who is so focused on his lofty ideals that he has forgotten to live in the Here and Now. And the Here and Now is so elementally important to us as human beings, as breathing, thinking, feeling animals, that to disconnect yourself from that, even if it is in the attempt to make things better for other, is a very foolish thing indeed. I believe that we all have the right to make our own way into the world, and to be happy with our own way, so long as that way does not explicitly interfere with the happiness of others. Wallace (and Andre, and me,and you) has the right to decide for himself what makes him happy and what doesn't make him happy. Who are any of us to deny him that right?
It's funny how the actor Wallace Shawn was just starting out with acting as hard as he could to get people to give him as much money as possible. Couldn't be more the opposite. It was all mostly just an excuse to show off his barely middle-aged s*xiness.
Wallace Shawn talks about this impulse in his books of essays. Click on `Wallace Shawn on "The Quest for Superiority" Democracy Now 9/1/09' in the related videos - you're probably not gonna like what he has to say :)
I love listening to these type of conversations, but I never hear them anymore. It's all BS about the Kardashians. Maybe more people should give up watching TV because it actually HAS turned them into robots.
Do you think people in the 80s just sat around talking like this all the time for real? They didn't. I was there, it was super fucking inane and shallow compared to now.
Really, they're both correct, but one side is being 'pushed' a lot harder than the other. So much so, that most people don't even know there's a decision to be made between the two. Think Truman, from The Truman Show.
Drink too much good coffees and you will eventually lose the ability to experience a good coffee. Surrender to what IS, specially the unpleasant, and you may find true joy in life´s special manifestations.
The past, the future and the present exist simultaneously. Also, if I got a fortune cookie that said don't go on the flight right before the flight, I WOULDN'T"T GO!!!
The most important thing in this video is that dude believes turtles lay eggs in trees. And even more important is that no one seemed to have commented about it. 🤔
Seed in soil, "if they are willing to accept it". Those who are not can conspire and kill but the message will reach those for whom it is sent. The rest can tear each other apart...
Wallace just sees him disconnected from the unsiverse. He just percieve is ego. But were just interpretations of ourselves. Time is an ocean not a river, but we're only able to swim in a straight direction. Doesnt mean that the whole universe acts like this ;-)
It is extremely satisfying to witness a conversation when they are actually listening to one another
this comment is sad
same
@@nathanielarocho4327 woosh
extremely satisfying
And to never witness it ever again.
What was so great about this movie was that Andre and Wally both made great points.
+CHistrue I agree. I couldn't pick a side at the end because both viewpoints were very relatable.
I also agree, the guy who wrote Zen and the Art of Moto Maint. also wrote a second book called Lila - in which he came to the conclusion that BOTH the static and dynamic aspects of humanity are necessary to it's survival. The static part is the one in which our sense of self at the moment is preserved, sort of an anchor in this unfolding reality - and the dynamic aspects are those that explore the surroundings, both abstract and concrete and find new possibilities for growth and change. These two forces are constantly affecting one another and trying to balance, and often times gain dominion, over themselves and the opposing force, but it doesn't take a real deep thinker to see that both are probably essential to any future we may have.
Yes
when the interviewer asks me "why do you want to work at this company"
Haha
I want a restaurant like this where the servers never bother you when you're in the middle of a grand thought.
Sometimes nice restaurants only have one sitting a night, it's not about turn over .
Nothing ruins a mood faster than a 19 year old chick on adderall slamming into your conversation "aNyOnE sTiLl HaVe RoOm FoR dEsErT?!"
Have you been to Europe
just leave America, it's great
Shor
What an effective shot of Andre's reflection in the mirror while Wally goes off on a wonderful tangent. Lets his expressions play off Wally's words in real time.
"The cookie is in no position to know." - One of the best lines ever.
No doubt.
It really has no right.
Now the cookie knows to much.
That was before Spooky action at a distance and quantum mechanics were for real. Now, we know the future, the past and the present are One.
@@BobHill-s2c Not when it comes to anything as macro as a cookie.
What a privilege to be a fly-on-the-wall at this conversation. If anyting, just to hear a well-spoken man speak.
💤
The placement of that mirror was genius
Was just thinking the same thing while watching.
And showed off the beautiful back of Wallace Shawn's head.
I brought an extra cup in case we need a extra cup.......
-Louis CK
easily the most daring movie ever made.
An almost 7 minute monologue. How do these actors remember all these lines??!! Brilliant!
It comes from the heart
The dialogue just is what it is. You either know it or you don't. The better question is "Is that actually you in the pfp". Because he is beautiful.
I assumed it was loosely scripted
They wrote the script.
It's on the table, don't you notice the glances down at the table? I know some people do look away when talking, but the script is on the table. Not to say that they don't remember any lines though
This could be Wallace Shawn talking about himself. He's a homebody, character actor and playwright and quite delighted by the simple things in life.
Both share some great insights and both are right; shows that the opposite of a good idea can be another good idea!
that's what I believe the entire film is about, learning to live the happy medium, not being too consumed by world pleasures but also not abandoning civilization completely to live in hopeless boredom, it's about a balance which is what I try to live.
Ahhhh there it was :) inconceivable
Outstanding film. And a brilliant, superbly acted scene. I wish more films were as civilised as this :)
Wallace Shawn seemed really nervous and overly self-aware and awkward in The Princess Bride several years later. Like he was just doing it for the money and fame by that point. He gains big money but he starts to literally degrade mentally and emotionally in the several years inbetween. Also, he's absolutely beautiful. Like a mini Michael Gove.
Shawn makes a very trenchant observation: When you can't count on a cockroach-free, cold cup of coffee in the morning, you in trouble, baby. You in trouble.
You could just put a newspaper or regular paper or whatever on top of it.
Dig it
With that kind of thinking I think it's pretty obvious how he became the grand nagus
A mand of culture!
What happens when a fundamental materialist confronts timeless esoteric wisdom.
Essentially what a lot of My Dinner is about.
First saw this film 30+ years ago in college.
It resonated with me when I had no life lessons to understand why.
Lived those 30 years and agree with Andre's character more than ever and now can explain why.
Incredibly unique film.
I'd hate UA-cam if it wasn't for these perfect, cool, random suggestions. YT knows the context which is scary btw💀
it's about the simple things, redundant thing's; devoid of all the hassles of what makes life such a hassle worth living.
What a brilliant scene
Congratulations on both to remember and act so extremely well on such a long scrip! 🧐
great movie
Life should be a retort of its own...
I wish to put down this damn phone and everything that comes with it but then I see clips like this, Lost in space I guess
This is great
Yesterday an alumni group of perhaps fifty mostly older people gathered at Elm Lee Farm the first one I had been to since graduating in '62.
There were many old friends obviously getting older who I enjoyed seeing and they me though I wasn't expecting to be remembered.
Several times I mentioned what The New Yorker magazine had meant is the biblical scripture of our generation. A class mate of yours remarked on the complete disappearance of humor for which it had been so noted. None of them had been New Yorker contributors but all agreed how fundamental it had been. But the advertising revenue which made it possible has vanished altogether into thin air. I can recall a long black car arriving and out stepped your impeccably dressed father William who was a far cry from you then or now in appearance.
I looked up on Wickepedia your classmate confidant Jonathan Schell who lived to 70 when I had thought he died at a much younger age.
I hadn't read much of his work but the profile of him indicated that critics found him excessively over reactive and soon forgotten.
A relook of your most notable film with Andre seemed far more a grasp of reality after lengthy far fetched diversions from him. Some years ago I caught a glimpse of you attending a concert of your brother's composition at Chapin Hall, Williams College.
'
2:12 --- In a few years, Wally, that's gonna be your catchphrase!
This taught me how to listen.
Shawn said that "I actually had a purpose as I was writing this: I wanted to destroy that guy that I played, to the extent that there was any of me there. I wanted to kill that side of myself by making the film, because that guy is totally motivated by fear. (wiki)
Perfect movie to watch before watching matrix
Whats the movie called?
@ my dinner with andre
This is the best part of the movie
Unless there's a bit where Wallace Shawn gets his bare @rse out, I'd probably agree.
Trenchant insight!
Love that to be still true now days
It's amusing that he's talking all about science and logic, but then makes a metaphor in which turtles are laying their eggs in trees.
I think he meant turtle doves
Math Science History unravelling the mystery that all started with a big bang BANG.
Humans are pretty amazing! Leads and understudies in plays memorize hours of speech and spit it all out in one go. It's certainly impressive, but a movie can be incredible not only because they memorized the script but also because they spent ages reshooting and editing to get what was first imagined.
Great actor
This is a taste of what things used to be like before. “handheld devices!”
I just don't feel that I have the need for anything more than this!
This movie is certainly incredible. It is phenomenal how this movie had those colors back then.
People have always been this way , just have to get to their level to see it .
Two friends actually listening to each other and having an in-depth conversation? Inconceivable.
Why do I want more?
This just made the Princess Bride even better.
I would have loved multiple sequels to this movie
You have no idea how disappointed I was that he did not say, “inconceivable!”
He does, at 2:12. Probably this is where the idea came from. ;)
He literally did, you weren't listening lol
@
Really.
Ok, will watch again.
May have gotten distracted. 🤣😂
Of course Wally enjoys reading the New York Times...happy to do as told and not question too much.
Inconceivable
wooow. way to cut it off without the response
Holy Monologue, Batman
Inconceivable!!!!!!!!
Why not practice thinking happy thoughts it feels better
🤩🙌🏻
at different points in my life from 25-28 I watched this movie. At first I could respect his perspective. Now I'm genuinely thinking what the fuck is wrong with Wallace
I look around me and everyone is the same sad carbon copy automaton
Remember when people had real conversations.
Wally's a terrific actor. I would be "inconceivable" for somebody not to like him!!!
The thing that Endgame taught me was to solve Time Travel you needed a mobius strip inverted. That is the shape of the universe, no beginning and no end. Alpha and Omega.
Watched! Yes, signalfire6, 'unobtrusives'.
He leaves a cup of coffee out all night? That's...Inconceivable!
Incontheivable!
Decades later, wallace made toy story as Rex, Andre remained in black and white colour.
When you throw out a part of your brain, don't forget there is still another part.
Anyone with half a brain knows that
conversations like this are getting less and less common because andre was right
@Robert Parker i better have no company
@@wun__ People aren't on this level anymore, way too many distractions about now, and entertainment is a circus show for mind numbing folks.
This is the basis of the princess bride speech lol
So basically he is just saying that he concentrates on the distractions in his life. Also, there are billions of people in this world that do not have access to those basic pleasures that he mentioned. That is what we need to work for, to make sure everyone has an opportunity to these basic pleasures of life.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I absolutely think that we should be able to think about others, that we should work to make the world better for everyone. But if our sole responsibility was to helping others, who would be there to help ourselves? And if others deserve to feel comfortable simply by dint of being human, do not we, ourselves, deserve to be comfortable as well?
Wallace's character is not selfish, he's not distracted or close-minded. He's a man who has found his own little niche in the society to which he was born, and lives modestly and comfortably in that niche, asking for little and taking only as much as he needs. When you blame him for focusing on his "distractions", it seems as if you are denying him the right to simply enjoy the processes of living, of waking up to a beautiful sun, of having the gift of air in one's lungs. What would you have him do? Donate all of his money to charity? Live as a monk, praying and flagellating himself, working himself to the bone so that others may enjoy the pleasures that he should deny himself? To me, that sounds like the kind of man who is so focused on his lofty ideals that he has forgotten to live in the Here and Now. And the Here and Now is so elementally important to us as human beings, as breathing, thinking, feeling animals, that to disconnect yourself from that, even if it is in the attempt to make things better for other, is a very foolish thing indeed.
I believe that we all have the right to make our own way into the world, and to be happy with our own way, so long as that way does not explicitly interfere with the happiness of others. Wallace (and Andre, and me,and you) has the right to decide for himself what makes him happy and what doesn't make him happy. Who are any of us to deny him that right?
It's funny how the actor Wallace Shawn was just starting out with acting as hard as he could to get people to give him as much money as possible. Couldn't be more the opposite. It was all mostly just an excuse to show off his barely middle-aged s*xiness.
He is Molecule man
Wallace Shawn talks about this impulse in his books of essays. Click on `Wallace Shawn on "The Quest for Superiority" Democracy Now 9/1/09' in the related videos - you're probably not gonna like what he has to say :)
"And furthermore Susan I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that all four of them habitually smoked marijuana cigarettes... reefers!"
I have a feeling there was a good amount of improv in this movie.
I love listening to these type of conversations, but I never hear them anymore. It's all BS about the Kardashians. Maybe more people should give up watching TV because it actually HAS turned them into robots.
I know, I know, I know...
They do call it television programming.
Do you think people in the 80s just sat around talking like this all the time for real?
They didn't. I was there, it was super fucking inane and shallow compared to now.
how did he remember this whole entire dialog?
Grand Nagus!
if this were set in modern times both men would be hurling insults at each other and screaming that one or the other was wrong and stupid.
This film says more about 2o24 then when it was made
The hope that hopes can flourish in the shadow of corporate fascism.... How is that working out for us now?
Really, they're both correct, but one side is being 'pushed' a lot harder than the other. So much so, that most people don't even know there's a decision to be made between the two.
Think Truman, from The Truman Show.
Ken Nordine. Ah,. Pork Chops.😜👍👍🥳😝😘
Who is here because they went up against a Sicilian in a matter of life and death? 💀 🍷 🍷
I agree with Wally
This bald guy's response is me.
When I was young I used to think about art and music.
Now that I'm older all I think about is money.
"I mean, you know...."
Poor Warden Smithers. He got to the future, and look how it turned out for him.
Drink too much good coffees and you will eventually lose the ability to experience a good coffee. Surrender to what IS, specially the unpleasant, and you may find true joy in life´s special manifestations.
Aaaahh.. back when American movies knew how to write dialog and there was still some free thought in them.
The past, the future and the present exist simultaneously. Also, if I got a fortune cookie that said don't go on the flight right before the flight, I WOULDN'T"T GO!!!
"I am the alpha and the omega". The future does send messages back.
The most important thing in this video is that dude believes turtles lay eggs in trees. And even more important is that no one seemed to have commented about it. 🤔
I thought that was James Cromwell, huh, who knew?!
They both say "I mean" a lot.
I mean
You know
I mean
You know...
Seed in soil, "if they are willing to accept it". Those who are not can conspire and kill but the message will reach those for whom it is sent. The rest can tear each other apart...
“Inconceivable!”
In the future, some people claim to transition into trees.
See,grand nagus zek is a smart guy
this vid was planned for us to see.
Wallace just sees him disconnected from the unsiverse. He just percieve is ego.
But were just interpretations of ourselves.
Time is an ocean not a river, but we're only able to swim in a straight direction.
Doesnt mean that the whole universe acts like this ;-)
Turtles lay eggs in trees? (6:33)
Turtle Doves
Thank you! I knew I couldn't be the only one who thought this
Man thoughts on neuroticism has not changed in at least 40 years...
Guys how long was this one scene page script lolllll...I'll say about 7 pages loll
Please let John Wick 5 be like this.
Shawn wasn’t acting at all on this scene.
omfg