A Deep Dive into Dead Malls (ft. Retail Archaeology, Sal)

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  • @Gia_Marie
    @Gia_Marie 3 роки тому +23

    I was a mall rat back in the 80's into the late 90's when it started the decline. I'm grateful that these "dead mall" contents are around and appreciate the hard work that all of you would do this do. You all are a part of making history. As this young generation and they're future kids and so forth will get to view what malls from our yesteryears were like. Sadly I do believe athough brick in mortars will always be around, the days of malls will eventually become nonexistent due to e-commerce.

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you for this thoughtful comment! I definitely agree, it’s great that people in the future will be able to see this stuff

  • @samtron5000
    @samtron5000 3 роки тому +11

    Sal was totally correct about why people love to watch dead mall content. Been watching dead mall content since at least 2015 on UA-cam. I am 35 years old and malls were my life as a kid and teen. Somehow knowing that it’s all gone to shit is comforting. It’s like saying a long goodbye to a bygone era.

  • @Fosten12
    @Fosten12 3 роки тому +16

    The thing i take from this is, not only the malls get preserved.
    But it shows people are ready in general to preserve what was.
    In good quality for people to see in the future.
    This mindset wasnt really present in the 20st century and we have, like he said in the video, the internet today to make big communities of this.
    Better cameras, lots of space to store stuff etc.
    I think this is amazing.

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому +1

      It’s really awesome when you think about it, recording history will never be the same

  • @AgentSmash7
    @AgentSmash7 2 роки тому +2

    I saw Pepsiman today and I'm now going through your channel! That was what brought me here! Thanks for not taking it down!

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  Рік тому

      Thank you so much for watching!! I appreciate the support

  • @lauramclaughlin4944
    @lauramclaughlin4944 3 роки тому +4

    This was absolutely brilliant! I’m actually in the UK but the reason I love watching Dead Mall videos is I find them soothing.

  • @BobLoblongEsq
    @BobLoblongEsq Рік тому +3

    Does anyone remember a UA-cam channel called “Faded Commerce”? They were one of the first ones to do this sort of video series on dying malls but one day they vanished off the face of the earth all videos deleted

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  Рік тому +1

      That would be an interesting story to investigate. Thanks for the info!

  • @williswareinc
    @williswareinc 3 роки тому +4

    I just marathoned all of your videos so far and I'm very impressed with the sheer amount of dedication you put into them. Video essays have always been something I disliked because they're very often one-sided and tend to be driven by emotions rather than facts. You sir are not like that and it’s such a relief. These are very well researched videos and I appreciate that you go the extra mile and seek out the viewpoints of people involved in the subjects you unravel. I also find this content so relatable because I grew up around the same time as you surrounded by wacky advertisements that nevertheless held my attention. It’s very interesting to see you dig deeper into why they had that effect and even uncover unexpected mysteries. Keep up the good work. I look forward to more.

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much William! I really appreciate your thoughtful comment, and saying that you marathoned my content is just about the highest praise I could receive. I agree with you that some video essays are simply long-winded opinions or stating the obvious, most basic facts. Whenever I create a video, I want to bring something to the table that hasn’t been done before, that’s my motto. Anyway, thanks again!!

  • @CocoHutzpah
    @CocoHutzpah 2 роки тому +3

    In my hometown, in the far future of the year 2000, there were two malls; the nice mall on the far side of town that opened in 1969 and the bland mall on the near side of town that I never bothered to find out when it opened. The nice mall closed some time around 2005 or so and was going to be demolished for a strip mall instead. That plan fell through and a few stores that had outside doors stayed open, as well as one store inside near one of the big entrances. It was a fabric store and my mom was a seamstress, so I went there a lot. It always felt so weird to walk into the big atrium, always just the two of us there, and to look down the length of the empty and dark mall. It felt like stepping into ancient ruins, except I had memories of when it was full of noise, lights, and people. The first two businesses down the length of the mall were an arcade and a pizza shop that looked straight out of a 80s sitcom. I always wanted to go into them when I was a little kid and I think I only got one chance when I was with one of my friends and his cool parents. I would look at those empty storefronts, still with the neon signs but turned off, and I felt like I missed out on so much.
    Sometime around 2013 or 2014, the fabric store moved to the bland mall, emptying out the nice mall. There's still a Chinese restaurant and a Harbor Freight that moved into the very edge of the nice mall sometime around 2010 or so, but the rest of the huge building is just sitting there. I think the parking lot was rented out to the commercial school across the road for CDL stuff, as most of it is now fenced in and gated off. I imagine the building will just collapse at some point. The bland mall is still open, but the only reason to go there is for Rural King.

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  2 роки тому

      Wow, thank you for this super detailed comment! Love your story, seeing stuff like this about dead malls is exactly why I wanted to make this video!

  • @jeee1074
    @jeee1074 3 роки тому +4

    Sal's channel brought me here. This was a very insightful take on mall history and documentation, I really enjoyed your video.

  • @tristanwoodmansee477
    @tristanwoodmansee477 3 роки тому +3

    Great video! Sal is my favorite!! Love his content, huge fan and I am 54. The mall was my generation. So to see dead mall content is also sad too to see

  • @rachelrivera91
    @rachelrivera91 6 місяців тому

    I’m glad your video was in my algorithm. I was watching one of Sal’s dead Mall video production when your video was in the algorithm as a suggestion for me to watch. This video was well done. I know I may be late in the game in watching the dead mall genre of videos, in fact , I started watching them in 2024. So glad I got to see this. Thank you for doing a segment on dead malls. I just subscribed to your channel after watching this. This is my way to say I have an appreciation for your work.

  • @PressStartToContinueYT
    @PressStartToContinueYT 3 роки тому +2

    Hahaha I had to watch this after your comment on my malls post on twitter. Such a cool topic to explore! I love the vaporwave explanation too, because I often find myself incredibly intrigued with it. Great video :)

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому

      Thank you so much!! I’m glad you enjoyed! ☺️

  • @JulesWebbAnimation
    @JulesWebbAnimation 3 роки тому +4

    Fantastic work yet again, gotta love a good decaying mall vid!

  • @savannahwhitten5818
    @savannahwhitten5818 3 роки тому +3

    One of my favorites yet ahh!! This is awesome 🔥🔥

  • @Trevor_NewJerusalem
    @Trevor_NewJerusalem Рік тому +2

    Ok, that does it. I'm going to record and upload a stroll through my nearby mall. It's gonna be crap quality but better than nothing.

  • @johnflatt1288
    @johnflatt1288 Рік тому

    Just wanted to say thank you for making these videos and giving the finger to UA-cam!

  • @P.I.P.E.L.I.N.E_Podcast
    @P.I.P.E.L.I.N.E_Podcast 3 роки тому +8

    8:38 I REALLY thought Retail Archeology looked different because he’s usually behind the camera 😅

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому +3

      It’s always an interesting experience to put a face to a disembodied voice!

    • @samtron5000
      @samtron5000 3 роки тому +1

      Saaaame. I say this even though I’ve seen his reflection in shop Windows 😂

  • @Inignot12
    @Inignot12 3 роки тому +2

    Came here from r/deadmalls, excellent video, subbed!

  • @dongaradixie
    @dongaradixie 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for a really good video!

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley 3 роки тому +2

    I was born in 1961. My first mall was 50 miles from me, Lincoln Square in Urbana, Illinois, owned by the company of its sole anchor store and opened in 1964 adjacent to a 1920s near-downtown hotel that I think is now closed. I watched the malls rise in Illinois and my parents would take me to them (including the huge Woodfield near Chicago) and I grew sick of them. I confess that I watch videos about dead malls with a sort of perverse glee…

  • @KeeponChucking
    @KeeponChucking 3 роки тому +1

    Great video like always Devnul! :)

  • @KremBotop
    @KremBotop 3 роки тому +8

    Bright Sun Films totally set up the whole motion of the abandonment/closing of several malls and the general decline of mall culture in the US (they’re still going decent enough in my country at least), so this is gonna be interesting.

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  2 роки тому +3

      That’s so interesting! Despite clearly being a big influence on dead mall documentation in Canada, I had never heard of Bright Sun Films until I read this comment! Crazy how some things never come up in research

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley 3 роки тому +1

    Catafalque. Excellent word!

  • @litigioussociety4249
    @litigioussociety4249 3 роки тому +1

    I came here from Erik's channel. I don't remember what video I first clicked on to start watching him, but I think the end of Toys R Us caused me to watch some videos of empty Toys R Us stores, or it was a video about K-mart's lack of innovation, and then a Retail Archaeology video was recommended to me. For me the appeal to dead malls is a combination of nostalgia and economic failure curiosity. The fiscal mistakes that lead to things like the death of Circuit City, Blockbuster, and more recently Sears is a big appeal to me.
    It's just shocking to me when competition is supposed to drive businesses to try and borrow and improve the ideas that other businesses successfully employ, and yet some double down on their antiquated business model, which leads to the death of their business. Toys R Us for example didn't focus on competitive pricing and their online store, so it was inevitable that more and more people were visiting Toys R Us to browse, and then buying that product at Amazon or Walmart for much less. That seems to be department stores in general, people look around at the mall stores, but choose to spend their money somewhere else.

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much for such a thoughtful comment! I appreciate the insight, and you’re so right, it’s interesting how some businesses just refuse to adapt to a changing landscape

  • @John_Locke_108
    @John_Locke_108 8 місяців тому

    American Dream Mall. Visited there April, 2023 on vacation (yes we did a vacation to New Jersey. Don't judge). Brought the kids to the theme park one day and the water park the next. Far from dead. You could barely walk through the place it was so packed. But it defintely wasn't the same experience as when I visited the mall in the early 90's back in High School.

  • @Rye_Smile
    @Rye_Smile 3 роки тому +1

    Love your content!!

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому

      Thank you SO much!!

  • @Naomi-rr5mf
    @Naomi-rr5mf 3 роки тому +3

    Since you mentioned vaporware I just thought I'd shout out a great artist called New Coke, the album Same Great Taste on Bandcamp is wonderful ;)

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому

      Hehe 😉 a fine suggestion

  • @zoeyelh
    @zoeyelh 3 роки тому +1

    thank you for a great video!

  • @tacituskilgore4403
    @tacituskilgore4403 2 роки тому +3

    Actually, Shopping Malls are still growing/booming in the Philippines despite the huge growth in online shopping. People are still going to malls even when there was a pandemic lol. I think it has something to do with the weather and the filipino culture. It's hot and humid, the people want to go to a mall to relax and spend time with family. Filipinos are also sociable by nature. Even if some are introverted, they still want to "see" people.

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  Рік тому

      Thank you so this insight! Very interesting, and thank you for watching!

    • @PinkAgaricus
      @PinkAgaricus 8 місяців тому

      Also, most of Hawaii's (Oahu's) malls/shopping centers are still thriving. If one wants a US case of malls still being alive.

  • @ChoPrinn
    @ChoPrinn Рік тому

    24:52 Take a shot for every "y'know"
    (fr great video tho)

  • @amateur3verything
    @amateur3verything 3 роки тому +2

    I was just talking to my dad about malls. His major focus was on so many jobs lost. Beyond the retail workers you have property management, janitorial, marketing, promotions, and so many more that I can’t even imagine. It made me wonder about the future of all those different positions. What’s the future of them? Or is there no future at all? Anyways great video!

  • @skittyrocks
    @skittyrocks 3 роки тому +4

    I used to hang around at the mall when I was a kid with my friends getting into trouble all the time. My city was pretty small so the mall was never too busy. Wonder if it's still kicking...
    Edit, it is!

  • @Shift_Salt
    @Shift_Salt 3 роки тому +2

    *UA-cam demonetizes channel over Pepiman commercials*
    Well time to sharpen the pitchforks again.

  • @jhudson_tiedye
    @jhudson_tiedye 3 роки тому +1

    Underated channel
    amazing

  • @ablosch2452
    @ablosch2452 10 місяців тому

    Ever seen The Oldest View?
    It was a short horror film that went into this sort of abandoned mall stuff.

  • @wendysbrian1
    @wendysbrian1 Рік тому

    @6:22. It’s interesting that you’ve referenced a Washington Post article, which is owned by Jeff Bazos of Amazon.

  • @agenericaccount3935
    @agenericaccount3935 3 роки тому +1

    "The future of the American Dream is currently unclear..."
    Indeed.

  • @619WWEFAN
    @619WWEFAN 2 роки тому +1

    Something I’ve noticed a lot with these dying mall videos, is how they are based in the USA.
    I grew up in the Middle East and eventually moved to Canada, and the dying mall thing isn’t as common. Sure some malls are declining but not most (and for different reasons)
    on a side note though, malls like the American dream I think tried to replicate the success of Dubai Mall. But there’s a very very different value in malls in the Middle East compared to the USA
    Some quick reasons: the middle east is usually hot year round so it’s a good shelter from the heat, a lot of leisure activities may be legal in USA but restricted in middle east (which gives malls at least an option for people), also the Middle East is an ultra family based culture. Meaning it’s very normal for the kids, parents, and even grandparents all hang out together in public (way way more than the USA and even Canada). And a mall is one of the easiest options to help satisfy a family atmosphere

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  Рік тому

      Thank you for this detailed and thoughtful comment. I appreciate the insight! Thanks for watching

  • @Kuzey457
    @Kuzey457 2 роки тому +1

    Nice to see David Pakman covering different content than politics

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  2 роки тому +1

      Not a bad comparison, I’ll take it lol

  • @4looming
    @4looming 3 роки тому +1

    Really cool!

  • @LikaLaruku
    @LikaLaruku Рік тому

    There's only 1 truly thriving mall I know of, & it's choke full of baby-fresh stores & brands I've never heard of. There were teenagers everywhere & teen employees. I realized that malls were still a teen paradise; they just don't want to go to the same stores I grew up with. & yeah, they are choking the life out of every other mall withina 2 hour driving radius, because people are willing to travelthat far. The parking lot is always packed & you need a reservation for restaurant in the vicinity on Mother's Day.

  • @hypocritehaterofficial3283
    @hypocritehaterofficial3283 2 роки тому +1

    This is my definitive answer to why a lot of malls are dying if you saw in a lot of the dead malls there anchor stores are Sears and Macy’s and JCPenney let’s be honest who has ever needed to go there no one because you got places like Walmart and target that replace those giants from long ago and they started beating them in retail Walmart and target around the late 90s early 2000s when it just so happens thats around the decline of malls and it also just so happens that Amazon was doing good it’s starting to get big around that time too as well as Facebook where most times nowadays you could just text someone instead of hanging out as much as people were back then but the anchor stores or what brings people to a lot of malls it’s just the old malls they didn’t keep up with the new anchor stores that were killing their main anchor stores like Sears and Macy’s and JCPenney if they knew better they would survive more longer than they would have if they had target or Walmart as their main anchor stores but because a lot of malls are really old and that the time Sears and Macy’s and JCPenney really popular why change if you knew that for the longest time they were bringing in the money my definitive answer is Walmart and target and a bit of Amazon that killed a lot of malls in Canada there’s a mall a small mall that has Walmart as their anchor store and I can tell that mall is doing pretty good if a lot of malls knew that better they would’ve done the same but they didn’t and that’s the reason why they fell behind and died every time you look at the Dead mall see who’s the main anchor store and that’s my question to you would you ever go on that anchor store nowadays if there’s places like Walmart and target around your main question probably would be no who would go into Sears and Macy’s and JCPenney have you got better places like target and Walmart that’s it there’s a question
    . and one point to add malls have been dying for the beginning of malls there’s just naturally competition between every mall that exists for more people to go into their mall there’s just a lot fewer competition now because malls with places like Gucci in high-end places and just generally do better I know that because there’s a mall I know in Canada that’s doing really good and they have high-end places like Gucci in that but also it’s a open air mall it’s a newer mall that reinvents the old style mall where The building is enclosed from the outside to be a successful mall nowadays you can either have as your anchor store target or Walmart have a modern mall design and having near a community of houses that people around the area have spending money because I heard a lot of dead malls and videos they said that there was a shooting in one mall and then that was the decline of that mall that’s why I also think that malls in Canada are doing well because a lot of that is going on there
    And then my other point is a mall that’s big and it’s in a main downtown area in a big city where there’s people with a lot of spending money and high end shops like Gucci and other designer shops that’s in my opinion how you can survive being a mall in the 21st-century follow the communities where there’s people with lots of spending money I guess high GDP I guess

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  Рік тому

      Wow thank you for this very thoughtful comment! I appreciate all the insight

  • @mel0kalani
    @mel0kalani Рік тому

    As a millennial, I always hated malls. Their uncanny emptiness accurately reflects my distaste for consumerism. I hope we can convert these peices of land into something sustainable

  • @pepperonicici
    @pepperonicici 3 місяці тому

    I really wonder whether the infrastructure (e.g. ca-centric) contributes to there having been lots of malls and eventually too many, thus gradually more and more dying malls.
    It also makes me wonder whether there's a comparable phenomenon in e.g. continental Europe because most countries have a less car-centric infrastructure fewer malls. They seem to be exclusive to big cities and always well visited. But that could absolutely be biased because otherwise they'd be dead and maybe just wouldn't be ruins and abandoned but repurposed and that's what makes the difference.
    But it reminds me how there are stores where I live that are "mini-malls", offering everything from clothes to stationary in one store spanning over several levels (while also being on the more pricy side). And they refused to sell online and have been in financial crises for ages, requiring government funds to sustain themselves again and again ;v so maybe the light version of malls was a sort of buffer here? who knows! Could ask someone older from my family c: because I only know of 2 malls around me in a 2h radius
    Anyway, thanks for the video! That was amazing c:

  • @bs_blackscout
    @bs_blackscout 2 роки тому +1

    It's funny, in my country malls are alive and well but I still like the deadmalls situation going on in the US. I feel bad that perhaps people in the US are now too bound to be inside and missing experiences that malls provided before. But malls are pure consumerism so... 🤔
    Though I did do a trip to a smaller city here in Brazil in 2021 and I visited a tiny mall that was kind of dead. Two of them actually. If I was aware of this movement I would have taken some pics and stuff.
    I wonder sometimes if it will happen to my culture and others. I have my suspicions but I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually happened.

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  Рік тому

      Thanks for this thoughtful comment! And thanks for watching!

  • @P.I.P.E.L.I.N.E_Podcast
    @P.I.P.E.L.I.N.E_Podcast 3 роки тому +2

    6:10 and who OWNS the Washington post btw🤔😅

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому

      lmao very true 😂

  • @LikaLaruku
    @LikaLaruku Рік тому

    Fast Fashion has been around since the 1800s & is a decent chunk of China's, India's, & Pakistan's economies.

  • @CompasVC
    @CompasVC Рік тому

    2:54 As A Minnesotan I Can Tell You It’s Pronounced Edina Not Edeena

  • @at0mly
    @at0mly 3 роки тому +1

    For the record, it's pronounced "ee-DIE-nah"

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому

      Thank you for clarifying that. Can you tell I’m not from Minnesota? 😂

  • @TheHrb1234
    @TheHrb1234 3 роки тому +1

    Shame the vid will likely get a claim from using George M music on the intro :(

    • @Devnul
      @Devnul  3 роки тому

      Hopefully not, I used a remix that has been up on UA-cam for 8 months without any claims so here’s hoping lol

  • @claras1401
    @claras1401 3 роки тому +1

    wow a dead mall video that uses the best wham! song? my kinda video

  • @Ss-cc2yl
    @Ss-cc2yl 3 роки тому

    “The mall” is not dead there is just to many of them

  • @joeambly6807
    @joeambly6807 Рік тому

    If this guy thinks fast fashion and retail ios bad for the environment, he must think amazon is even worse (atleast i HOPE so)