Spring Boot versus Quarkus

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Is it possible to write slim, light, fast boot time, low-memory footprint Java applications? Using a Java framework provides reusable pre-written code templates that help speed up development and deployment - but which framework is best? In this video, Cedric Clyburn compares two major frameworks in use today: Spring Boot and Quarkus.
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[@Vanuatoo]

When you try out Quarkus, you will have hard time going back to Spring because of the developer joy, which boils down to normally working instant reload, continuous testing, testcontainers and dev UI. The main concepts are basically the same, just different keywords.

[@getthebagtoday]

1:19 Nice one Quarkus 😅!

[@ShapovalovIvan86]

😂😂😂

[@stefumies]

Spring Boot is only one facet of the Spring Framework, I think that would have been a better comparison, particularly with Security, Spring AI, Spring Cloud, Spring Reactive ,Test Containers, Modulith, Graalvm Virtual threading etc..
Spring has a huge community,. It's open source, well tested and evolving massively. It also keeps up with Java SDK Development,
I still think Boot is an erroneous comparison, it is only a part of the Spring Ecosystem. Too many comments here, are assuming Spring and Spring-Boot are one in the same.

[@informatik01]

Really nice overview, thank you!

[@AlbertinaDaCunha-d3b]

Is Spring boot version > 3.2 having similar capabilities in terms of performance when compared to Quarkus ?

[@thanosfisherman]

Nope Spring Boot sucks at every aspect.

[@savlon-bhoi007]

​@@thanosfishermanrage bait

[@khalidhamid7448]

Using graal VM on SpringBoot match Quarkus performance?

[@lufenmartofilia5804]

Nah, spring framework is amazing in insane of many ways but it relies they have an abusive use of reflection that has some performance cost. So quarkus will still be ahead, tho I wouldn't say that it matter at all. If performance is your concern, you are better of with either Vert.x or ActiveJ 6.0

[@thom1218]

@@lufenmartofilia5804 If you concerned with performance AND resource usage - you will just migrate to Go and live a better life.

[@HitRespawn]

After watching this video I realised that I can now understand the jargon now 1:43 May be I have become a Java developer 😂

[@MrAverageViewer]

Can one build web applications using purely KOTLIN & KOBWEB with QUARKUS? Or, must I use strictly JAVA?

[@victorhf9804]

I don't know what Kotweb is, but you can definitely do it with Kotlin & Quarkus.

[@wasimdorboz]

i wonder why still using java 8 while there is jdk 20 and same here modern quarkus and some still using spring boot

[@victorhf9804]

I work with Java 8. It's because of legacy code that doesn't work in newer versions and nobody wants to rewrite.

[@AdamsProgrammer]

Well, thanks for this. i am still learning spring boot

[@brucedsm]

I think Micronaut or Jooby + Avaje is a great choice too.

[@albertoneto1180]

Quarkus looks amazing, but not easy to find examples and docs for the reactive stuff either smallrye, cache and so on….

[@e19293001]

The sound of a marker on that board is very unpleasant.

[@adambickford8720]

Was hoping this was a bit more objective.

[@tonnytrumpet734]

You have to realize IBM acquired Red Hat and that Quarkus is Red Hat product, ofc this will have marketing in it.

[@ebuzertahakanat]

If Jaotc didn't killed all java applications would have been native

[@akashagarwal6390]

woah, and here i thought Spring Boot is based on CoC (Convention over Configuration), while the start states its opinionated

[@nojerome497]

Conventions are inherently opinionated. The conventions are an implementation of an opinion.
In other words, the spring developers had an opinion on how you should do it, so they created the conventions for you to follow.

[@ahuramazda9202]

They both don't fit, too many layers of abstraction stacked on top of each other. Now the best choice is either Helidon, or with ten lines of code you can embed Jetty, Tomcat, or Undertow and easily write services with the JAX-RS standard.
It would have been better if Quarkus had initially thought like the Helidon 4 team. Also, let's not fool ourselves, the speed of startup is not important at all compared to all other important parameters.

[@adambickford8720]

New to development, huh?

[@nameunknown007]

Speed of start up is indeed important for apps deployed on K8s and you’re interested in using autoscaling to reduce your cloud cost but also make the consumers not notice any increase in latency. That’s mostly important for enterprise apps, of course not so important for college projects.

[@nojerome497]

​@@nameunknown007don't listen to this other shmuck, you're absolutely correct.

[@deadmarshal]

Both are garbage.

[@davejones542]

I think Java needs to go the way of the dinosaur personally.

[@Jonteponte71]

Yeah, that is not going to happen. Banking and fiancial institutions has been deploying Java since the nineties, and still do. And they still have systems written in Cobol actually running today. That means a lot of people is going to make a lot om money in the future maintaining and migrating off of Java systems even though there are "better" platforms out there. And also, the JVM is probably going to outlive Java itself since languages like Kotlin and Groovy runs on it...

[@zealousprogrammer4539]

and Scala@@Jonteponte71

[@m77mo65]

I'm interested to hear your choice, what else other than java will it be? PHP or nodejs? I'm really interested to hear from you.

[@andrei_lazarev]

​@@m77mo65 I'd suggest they meant something like golang lol

[@maneshipocrates]

Spring is not going anyway.