Well g'day Max, 5.00am Sunday morning, and here we are, perfect start to my day mate, inspirational and educational as always, thanks so much for sharing, have a great one
Max, That will work. I did this last year on my Okuma LS. Actually used the tailstock base as my grinding spindle carrier. scraped the tailstock base in first to make sure it had zero rock and correct contact. Mounted an angle plate to the tailstock base, used a tool and cutter cartridge type spindle mounted to a large lathe compound, which was bolted to the angle plate. This allowed swiveling the spindle to match the exact angle of the way face being ground. It also gave me controlled infeed for the grinding. I removed .0035 inches from the same face you are dealing with for the same reasons. your dual grinding wheel setup plan is a good one, I had to hand work the last 6 inches on the spindle end using a granite straight edge and stones to get it on the same plane as the reground face. That took 4 times as long as the actual grinding portion!
18:05 Love the slow motion "pertang!" of that chip flying off the shaper ... Fascinated to see how this works out - it's a brave man who dares to mess with a lathe bed!
From your comment, you are going to replace Cats with full time metal working? I thought that retiring would free up some time, but now that I’m retired I’m busy every moment and can’t figure out how I got anything done while employed……or, the jobs that I didn’t have time for are stacked up to the extent that I’m having trouble with my retirement plans. Eagerly waiting for the next installment of how to negate wear in the most common travel areas. Have you decided whether the mist is the equivalent of flood cooling with less mess?
So that's what the linear rails are for 😉. Sounds like an ambitious project. The shaper is kick'n ass! Wouldn't wanna kneel on one of those chips! 🤣 Cheers!
Hello Max, Super interesting video... I am looking forward to tagging along on this project. Sorry for being on the missing list lately. Take care. Paul,,
This record of best design did not disappoint. The camera capture was superb at workpiece. The finish line as 58:28 was fun with the South Bend (A) model as background. Thanks for having us along, Max. Snow has covered the higher elevations here. My workshop product a 98 model jeep with curious 53,422 miles. 24 years as storage. Your outback end users would like it and a manly deep light blue in color, grey leather. Astonishing factory set up as power delivery. Delight at content from half a world away. M.
Hi Max, Tantalising project, agree on full contact slides, and high mass for the grinding sled, just wandering how much the carriage will roll/lower at the front 🤔. First time, I think, seeing positive rake on a shaper, looked good. Thanks for sharing.
Lots going on in this one. Very interested to see this project develop. Based on your comments I give it a lot better than 50/50 chance of success though - clearly lots of thought and planning in it. Full time in the shop in 2025? That sounds like a big positive. Cheers!
🤯 wow ! What an incredible demonstration of how much movement and flex is happening, you could see the movement with that slow motion footage. The whole vise and table was under a bit of stress and you could literally see the movements. That’s such a great example of just how much “ metal “ can move. 👍🏻 very cool video Max ! 🍻
I'm really looking forward to watching this project Max. Those initial V's came out beautifully. As you said it's nice when you have a nice sharp end mill lol it will be nice to follow your thought processes as to how you're going to tackle the various ways you grind the ways. Your idea of a dual spindle will be very interesting if you go that route and to how you are going to align the spindles and grinding wheels. Now that is very intriguing to me! Cheers from Blighty!
As I have said before i love watching the shaper in action. Also i'm really looking forward to seeing your grinder fixing up the ways on Sue Lee.. Cheers! KOKO!
One of my first jobs in the toolroom at 16 was blocking up forged pieces of Impax on the shaper taking the crust off down to a chalk line the foreman made. Big basted file the edges then onto an old Arno uni mill off the back face to square it all up. Loved that job at 16, We all had duckboards around all the machines to lift you up a few inches also off the concreate floor all day. Nice finish in the V
Very nice work mr Max. I will have to do something on my Myford lathe, but at the moment I don’t feel confident yet. I may get another company to do it for me. Thanks
Yep. Definitely looking forward to the continuation of this one Max. Full time in the workshop from next year? Does that mean 3 vids a week from then on? 😜😂😂 I’d be adding a tile fire & a couple big split refrigerated air cons to make it as pleasant as possible in there year round if it’s a full time gig. You’ve got enough roof space & solar panels to run them basically for free.
Hi Max, you are going where Angel's fear to tread. Anyone in Perth with the ability to regrind the ways, I know it would be costly. We had a lathe in our machine shop with replaceable ways, never machined true from day one, vendors came and replaced ways, slight improvement. Machinist only used it for facing flanges. Can't remember the make, about 20 inch swing with the oscillating gears for gear selection, didn't have to rotate the Chuck by hand to change gears. I think the south bend and Hercus with the double prismatic ways was a good choice.
Yes , i have to go where Angles fear to tread ! The cost to get a bed ground here would be through the roof , that is if any of the large company's still had the gear large enough to do the job . It is well worth the gamble . 👍
I saw those fingers near shaper chips. Once in home setting plenty of hazards. Remove all ruts to stop twisted ankles, careful using pruning shears, buy that big safety sign for shed. Stop the oil tankers taking all your water. Don't forget the barrier cream. Full steam ahead.
Grindfing off the back of the front V-way is going to result in the saddle moving slightly forward, and settling slightly lower down on the way. Are you going to grind the back flat-way to balance that, or do you deem it too small to bother with?
Hi speed steel is truly amazing material. However the Carbide face mill in a rigid machine is way more fun. And Olga is a stout old girl she is, Let 'er eat! Plus... you have to love Olgas tilty twisty head. I think I am beginning to take a liking to her even from 12,000 miles away! 🤣 Nevertheless this is going to be an interesting project to follow along with. Cheers
Nice work Max, as always, looking forward to seeing how this works out. You are using a lot of pressure in that cool mist set up, are you taking any precautions against inhalation?
Old man non-machinist here. Please be patient with me. It is obvious that much work will go into improving the lathe's accuracy. Would a product like "Turcite", which has successfully been employed in similar situations, make project completion easier?
Hi Max, just read Hofmann Eng fined $567000 for the death of a worker, welding manipulator fell on him due to stripped threads. We had a lot of work done by them.
Hi Max, That milling was awesome Olga came through. I run a KRV 2000, and tramming the head back in after a job like this is a real pain, every time you nip a bolt the bugger moves, but hohum you gotta piss with the cock you got. Personally I would key the top plate to the "V" blocks at least then you know where you have to scrape and it stays constant. Good luck with this, I'm looking forward to seeing how it develops. Best wishes, Mal
I will probably go with tapered pins at this stage . The lower blocks may still have a rebate cut in to lower the height of the top plate . If a head like that moves when the bolts are tightened , the faces may have warped over time . Cheers 👍
Weird bed design, one would expect a big V wedge on the tool pressure side, instead of this tiny one. And a big way on the other side, that doesn't get much load, not too great design, IMO.
You must be two hundred years old to no all this stuff . Companies that i worked at with big machine shops the fitters and tuners worked on the same machine for years . I shore they would hve been total confused if they had to work on another machine. Kit from up north
Hi Max. Making this V way grinder will be interesting for sure, Olga machined that V groove like a hot knife though butter. Cheers 👍 Enjoy your retirement
47:31 fantastic work there, looks butter smooth, I was a bit apprehensive thinking Olga might not like it 😂 lovely job Max
She's not fussy , a good time girl ! . Cheers 👍
Well g'day Max, 5.00am Sunday morning, and here we are, perfect start to my day mate, inspirational and educational as always, thanks so much for sharing, have a great one
Cheers Ralfy . Your latest is on the radar for tonight ! 👍
Thanks for the show Max 🍻
No worries 👍
Another great video Max. Appreciate you sharing. Good to see the old red pencil make a come back! Lol.
Lol , i could not find it for a while ! 👍
An interesting project, looking forward to seeing how this project develops
So am i ! Cheers 👍
Max, That will work. I did this last year on my Okuma LS. Actually used the tailstock base as my grinding spindle carrier. scraped the tailstock base in first to make sure it had zero rock and correct contact. Mounted an angle plate to the tailstock base, used a tool and cutter cartridge type spindle mounted to a large lathe compound, which was bolted to the angle plate. This allowed swiveling the spindle to match the exact angle of the way face being ground. It also gave me controlled infeed for the grinding. I removed .0035 inches from the same face you are dealing with for the same reasons. your dual grinding wheel setup plan is a good one, I had to hand work the last 6 inches on the spindle end using a granite straight edge and stones to get it on the same plane as the reground face. That took 4 times as long as the actual grinding portion!
18:05 Love the slow motion "pertang!" of that chip flying off the shaper ... Fascinated to see how this works out - it's a brave man who dares to mess with a lathe bed!
Thanks . It is well worth the risk . 👍
This is a really interesting project. The extremes of travel are going to be interesting problems to solve. The twin spindle solution will be fun.
The extremes of accuracy will be a challenge ! 👍
From your comment, you are going to replace Cats with full time metal working? I thought that retiring would free up some time, but now that I’m retired I’m busy every moment and can’t figure out how I got anything done while employed……or, the jobs that I didn’t have time for are stacked up to the extent that I’m having trouble with my retirement plans. Eagerly waiting for the next installment of how to negate wear in the most common travel areas. Have you decided whether the mist is the equivalent of flood cooling with less mess?
Everything set and OLGA says lets party , amazing !
Cheers 👍
So that's what the linear rails are for 😉. Sounds like an ambitious project. The shaper is kick'n ass! Wouldn't wanna kneel on one of those chips! 🤣
Cheers!
Thanks Chris 👍
Definitely looking forward to this one. I need to do the same to me old Logan. Thanks for sharing.
No worries 👍
Enjoyed…great reminder tip on marking the end mill in the collet❤
@@outsidescrewball Cheers
Looks to be an extremely interesting project, can’t wait to the next instalment. Thank you so much for an informative hour, Take care 👍👍
Thanks 👍
Very good job friend Max,,thanks for your time
No worries 👍
Hey Max. To get a soft start to the cut on the shaper old guys would file a chamfer on the edge of the work. Good work.
Yes , i always forget to do that . Good for cast iron as well i think to stop any breakout . 👍
Really nice camera work and a whole lot of quality editing. Nice work, Max.
Thanks Rob . You would have seen that end mill before ! 👍
This will be very interesting. I need to do the same to my Okuma LS, and it has a very similar way arrangement. Can't wait to see the rest!
@@jasonhill2180 No Worries. 👍
@@jasonhill2180 No Worries.👍
G'day Max. Nice set of angle plates etc, which fit very well, coupled with all the othe bit & pieces should make a great grinding fixture
Cheers Ted . 👍
I'm sure you will figure something out to make it work, Max.
And your new shaper tool sounds exactly like a tool should sound while cutting.
Cheers Rusty . 👍
Hello Max,
Super interesting video... I am looking forward to tagging along on this project. Sorry for being on the missing list lately.
Take care.
Paul,,
Cheers Paul 👍
This record of best design did not disappoint. The camera capture was superb at workpiece. The finish line as 58:28 was fun with the South Bend (A) model as background.
Thanks for having us along, Max. Snow has covered the higher elevations here. My workshop product a 98 model jeep with curious 53,422 miles. 24 years as storage. Your outback end users would like it and a manly deep light blue in color, grey leather. Astonishing factory set up as power delivery. Delight at content from half a world away. M.
Cheers . It is starting to warm up here , i think it was aabout 85 F today . 👍
Hi Max,
Tantalising project, agree on full contact slides, and high mass for the grinding sled, just wandering how much the carriage will roll/lower at the front 🤔.
First time, I think, seeing positive rake on a shaper, looked good.
Thanks for sharing.
Cheers . 👍
Thx for the vid. It will be an interesting project.
It will . Cheers 👍
...very interesting project, ur tips are invaluable
Cheers 👍
Lots going on in this one. Very interested to see this project develop. Based on your comments I give it a lot better than 50/50 chance of success though - clearly lots of thought and planning in it. Full time in the shop in 2025? That sounds like a big positive. Cheers!
Thanks Stuart . 👍
I'm very curious how this will turn out, very interesting!
cheers
ben
Thanks 👍
🤯 wow !
What an incredible demonstration of how much movement and flex is happening, you could see the movement with that slow motion footage. The whole vise and table was under a bit of stress and you could literally see the movements.
That’s such a great example of just how much “ metal “ can move.
👍🏻 very cool video Max ! 🍻
Like rubber ! Cheers 👍
Interesting video Max. Enjoyed the machining. Cheers Tony 👍
Thanks Tony 👍
I'm really looking forward to watching this project Max. Those initial V's came out beautifully. As you said it's nice when you have a nice sharp end mill lol it will be nice to follow your thought processes as to how you're going to tackle the various ways you grind the ways. Your idea of a dual spindle will be very interesting if you go that route and to how you are going to align the spindles and grinding wheels. Now that is very intriguing to me! Cheers from Blighty!
The design will be harder than the alignment ! Cheers 👍
@ yes mate, I bet it will be lol
As I have said before i love watching the shaper in action. Also i'm really looking forward to seeing your grinder fixing up the ways on Sue Lee.. Cheers! KOKO!
Cheers 👍
Hey Max....another great video series started by the SVMS. Off to a good start
Thanks 👍
Awesome instalment Max, looking forward to seeing more. Happy Days.
From kiwi land.
Cheers 👍
Well that’s some fine finishing by Olga
She didn’t disappoint 👍👍
Cheers Dean . 👍
One of my first jobs in the toolroom at 16 was blocking up forged pieces of Impax on the shaper taking the crust off down to a chalk line the foreman made.
Big basted file the edges then onto an old Arno uni mill off the back face to square it all up.
Loved that job at 16,
We all had duckboards around all the machines to lift you up a few inches also off the concreate floor all day. Nice finish in the V
Lol , i was facing the castings of those cheap 44 gal oil drum pumps back at 16 ! 👍
work in progress awesome cheers from snowy Canada
Thanks 👍
There’s something relaxing about watching a good old shaper in action 😊
That’s why they’re pretty much only used on UA-cam anymore.
Agree ! 👍
Really nice work as always Max. Olga is a beast!
Thanks 👍
Thanks Max, looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
No worries . 👍
Very nice work mr Max. I will have to do something on my Myford lathe, but at the moment I don’t feel confident yet. I may get another company to do it for me. Thanks
No worries . That is not an option for me , Cheers 👍
Yep. Definitely looking forward to the continuation of this one Max.
Full time in the workshop from next year?
Does that mean 3 vids a week from then on? 😜😂😂
I’d be adding a tile fire & a couple big split refrigerated air cons to make it as pleasant as possible in there year round if it’s a full time gig.
You’ve got enough roof space & solar panels to run them basically for free.
No , no 3 videos a week ! Just more time to catch up & get the HBM done . 👍
Great video max, keep'um coming.
No worries 👍
The tool profile for the shaper worked pretty well at 5mm. cheers, Butch.
Yes , worked well . Cheers 👍
It sounds like a well thoughtover plan mate.
Still in the planning ! Cheers 👍
Hi Max, you are going where Angel's fear to tread.
Anyone in Perth with the ability to regrind the ways, I know it would be costly.
We had a lathe in our machine shop with replaceable ways, never machined true from day one, vendors came and replaced ways, slight improvement.
Machinist only used it for facing flanges.
Can't remember the make, about 20 inch swing with the oscillating gears for gear selection, didn't have to rotate the Chuck by hand to change gears.
I think the south bend and Hercus with the double prismatic ways was a good choice.
Yes , i have to go where Angles fear to tread ! The cost to get a bed ground here would be through the roof , that is if any of the large company's still had the gear large enough to do the job . It is well worth the gamble . 👍
I think you could make wonderful steel wedding rings out of those chips, and they would last as long as the Marriages I'm sure.
Lol , Cheers. 👍
I saw those fingers near shaper chips.
Once in home setting plenty of hazards.
Remove all ruts to stop twisted ankles, careful using pruning shears, buy that big safety sign for shed.
Stop the oil tankers taking all your water.
Don't forget the barrier cream. Full steam ahead.
@@tas32engineering Cheers. 👍
Buy a pair of mongrel boots.
A tough job, but if anyone can do it, you can. Thanks for the video.
Cheers 👍
Grindfing off the back of the front V-way is going to result in the saddle moving slightly forward, and settling slightly lower down on the way. Are you going to grind the back flat-way to balance that, or do you deem it too small to bother with?
Too small to bother with . I will just scrape any high areas from the saddle . 👍
I messed up my rotator cuff repeatedly yanking on the drawbar for my milling machine so now I keep a little single step platform in front of it too!
Yes , you need a straight pull . 👍
Tanks for what you give use wiith all you do
No worries 👍
Hi speed steel is truly amazing material. However the Carbide face mill in a rigid machine is way more fun. And Olga is a stout old girl she is, Let 'er eat! Plus... you have to love Olgas tilty twisty head. I think I am beginning to take a liking to her even from 12,000 miles away! 🤣 Nevertheless this is going to be an interesting project to follow along with. Cheers
Thanks . 👍
Nice work Max, as always, looking forward to seeing how this works out. You are using a lot of pressure in that cool mist set up, are you taking any precautions against inhalation?
I am a fair distance away from it . Thanks 👍
Old man non-machinist here. Please be patient with me. It is obvious that much work will go into improving the lathe's accuracy. Would a product like "Turcite", which has successfully been employed in similar situations, make project completion easier?
Only if the saddle has to be machined , that i do not want to do . The ways have to be attended to first . 👍
Getting closer all the time to that shivering mass of Iron and steel the HBM, -----your wires birthday present!
Slowly 👍
Larger Leblonds and some Swift lathes used similar bed design. Seemed to work for them.
It is a common design . That inner way cops all the damage . 👍
Great video. Thanks
No worries 👍
That looked like a huge cut. Is that reason for the wavyness at the beginning and at end of the cuts?
The ram probably needs another adjustment . I did not want to adjust it too tight last time i had it off . 👍
You said you will be in the shop full time come the new year? Retirement from the day job. Great video as always.
Yes , full time in the shop . Finally retired ! 👍
That's an impressive milling machine. What is it and where can I find one for my garage? Lol
Pour a thick concrete slab & have power enough to run a 15hp motor ! 👍
Thank you Max!
Cheers 👍
Loved this video👍🏻🍻
No worries . 👍
Thanks Max, PS ducks nuts is a new one for this Texas boy 😁
Lol , Cheers 👍
Hi Max, bit of a personal 10 question mate, in ball park terms what would a milling machine of Olga’s vintage be valued at. $5 ~7500 or 10 plus Thanks
3 to 5k Depends on what comes with it . I think i paid 3K for my one . 👍
I’m curious as to why you cut the V grooves at 90 degrees. Isn’t the V on the bed 60 degrees? If it’s 90, that’s unusual, to me at least.
The tailstock has 90 deg V ways . 👍
Hi Max, just read Hofmann Eng fined $567000 for the death of a worker, welding manipulator fell on him due to stripped threads.
We had a lot of work done by them.
@@willemvantsant5105 Wow .
Hi Max, That milling was awesome Olga came through. I run a KRV 2000, and tramming the head back in after a job like this is a real pain, every time you nip a bolt the bugger moves, but hohum you gotta piss with the cock you got. Personally I would key the top plate to the "V" blocks at least then you know where you have to scrape and it stays constant. Good luck with this, I'm looking forward to seeing how it develops. Best wishes, Mal
I will probably go with tapered pins at this stage . The lower blocks may still have a rebate cut in to lower the height of the top plate . If a head like that moves when the bolts are tightened , the faces may have warped over time . Cheers 👍
More balls than I would have for sure!
That is why i am taking no chances , build it solid ! Cheers 👍
Getting pelted with chips makes Max a grumpy bunny. 😂
Yes , it does ! 👍
great!
"From the start of next year I'll be in here full time" Are you going into retirement?
Yes , at last ! 👍
Retirement I highly recommend it.
Add Air Conditioning then: You are all good.
Looking forward to it . 👍
A/C would be great ! 👍
Chips ahoy !!
Plenty ! Cheers 👍
Weird bed design, one would expect a big V wedge on the tool pressure side, instead of this tiny one.
And a big way on the other side, that doesn't get much load, not too great design, IMO.
It is a common design . The wide area takes most of the load . 👍
You must be two hundred years old to no all this stuff . Companies that i worked at with big machine shops the fitters and tuners worked on the same machine for years . I shore they would hve been total confused if they had to work on another machine.
Kit from up north
At least they get to know all of the quirks with the machine that way ! 👍
Retiring, quitting your 9 to 5?
@@johnwilleford7715 Yes , at last ! 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop Congratulations!
I missed how are you going to take up the space from grinding .005? Off of that face
Blue up the underside & scrape the high spots . There will not be that much of a change . 👍
Hi Max. Making this V way grinder will be interesting for sure, Olga machined that V groove like a hot knife though butter. Cheers 👍 Enjoy your retirement
Thanks Randy . 👍
Best wishes for your retirement! I am sure you will find, as many of us have, that work is somewhat over-rated.
Love these kind of projects! Enjoy the building blocks. Thanks, looking forward to the continuation.😊
Cheers 👍