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@stuartchapman5171 I forget what I paid for mine, might have gotten it in a lot of 3 or so Behringer pedals on ebay. I picked it up on there at the same time I got the Digiverb! ☺️
Excellent and affordable choices. I actually have both Soul Food and TC’s MojoMojo on my board right now. Soul Food has come very close to the Klon in some blind test shoot outs, very useable pedal. Keep the great vids coming!
Great video! Discovered your channel about a couple months ago, keep making great videos! Side note, absolutely loved Forever Whatever, might be one of my new favorite albums now!
I agree these are good choices. However I do think delay is important for any board in these genres. On the affordable front there are a lot of good options, but I have been very impressed with the JHS 3 series pedals and the new Walrus Fundamental series. Lot of bang for the buck in those lines and they have all the bases covered in them. Also.... hate to say it... people will need a tuner pedal!
The Joyo Analog Delay is very good and very underrated. And it's only $35 new on Amazon. I picked up a used one years ago for $15 and it's still going strong.
All classics. It's nice to see a budget pedalboard recommended as buying less pedals but still buying really solid high end gear - the only thing better than a Rat is two Rats!! One budget pedal that I'm very fond of is a reverb called Snake Bite by Caline - I own two of them and they're great for playing around with in series but I always go back to the Holy Grail. I also love that it's called Snake Bite - I assume the marketing team have no understanding of either reverb or snakes.
Thanks! Yeah my thinking was get pedals that are going to last and make it as affordable as possible. Haha 2 rats would be awesome. Oh I haven’t heard of that before, that really is quite funny. 😂
For me, I'd probably stump up for Earthquaker Plumes as the drive, but then save a little on the RAT by getting the TC Magus Pro. Then maybe Mooer Ensemble King, because I prefer the Boss CE style chorus slightly, and it's a bit less noisy. For other options, the Behringer SF300 Super Fuzz sounds awesome for just over £20. And if budget could stretch, the TC Bucket Brigade is a really good sounding and well built BBD delay for around £50. Reverb, I don't know if I really like any of the cheap ones that much, though the Flamma FS-02 is quite good, and stereo for about £50 too.
I know you don't care for multi effects, the Zoom MS series is excellent. I'll recommend the MS70-cdr, which has kept its place on my board for close to 10 years. It punches well above its weight, and could easily handle all reverb, modulation, and delay functions. It's a space saver too!
Love the RAT... too bad it breaks so easily. Through the years I broke like 4 and using the 5the one at the moment (with another one as a backup, in case it breaks during a set.). Love the sound though.
For me right now it's Behringer SuperFuzz first in signal chain for huge lead or powerchord sounds. Then I'll use Digitech Screamin' Blues, BOSS OS2, Digitech FX69 "Grunge", DOD Ice Box chorus, Digitech Digidelay and - for now - a Behringer Reverb. The rationale is this : SuperFuzz has a boost option. Screamin' Blues, when pushed, can also sound fuzz-distortion-like. OS2 allows a blend of OD and DS. I would love to find a Digitech Digiverb.
Yip, would recommend the Behringer SF300 Super Fuzz too. If you are looking for a decent but cheap reverb, can recommend the Flamma FS02 for about £50, and it's stereo too. NUX Atlantic is a good dual delay-reverb for about £100. Above that's it's probably the Walrus Fundamental, JHS 3-series, TC Hall of Fame, Boss RV-6 or EHX Oceans 11. Above that it's second-hand lo-fi reverbs like the great OBNE Dark Star, Walrus Slo or very high-quality but not cheap hi-fidelity reverbs like the awesome sounding GFI Skylar.
For a different overdrive and reverb... look at the Ehx Turnip Greens... it's a Soul Food and Holy Grail Max (spring, hall, plate, reverse). It's been on my board since 2018!
@@thesethingsmakenoises I can find them in the states for less than $250... not bad considering the two pedals. There's a switch for chain order and an insert for putting other pedals in between.
I feel like if you put reverb before distortion you"ll need another reverb in the end of the chain because if you have only one reverb before distortion it'd sound dry and messy (unless you're into this sound), think that's why a lot of pedal partners videos sound the same
I heard Cocteau Twins before even clicking on the video, very spooky 😂 Speaking of spooky stuff, Bela Lugusi's Dead, In The Flat Field and Double Dare by Bauhaus is pretty nice with bats and stuff... As for the video as always solid advice 😎
Another transparent OD I've really liked for years now is the Emerson Custom EM Drive, you can pick em up for under $70 used all day long. Stacks really with other gain stages
I got rid of all my boutique guitar pedals and only play EHX, boss and DOD/Digitech stuff now… really. I found that they are more affordable, better made and sound vastly superior imho.. oh oh oh! I forgot the line six m5! I feel if you learn guitar.. every player should be issued one for free! Amazing pedal!
Joyo do some good options ,the tauren also does the klon thing well, cheaper than the soul food. Recommend the d seed for delays including reverse and modulated, very good for shoegaze.
Sorry in advance for the question, I'm quite new to that whole pedal-stuff, but if I wanted to go for a noisier, fuzzier sound, would I just switch the rat out for a fuzz-pedal, or would I use an additional fuzz pedal and then have 3 pedals for some kind of distortion? Seems a bit overkill, but then again for shoegaze maybe not 😅 Btw. love your videos, watched a ton of them the last days!
I mean I personally have a distortion (Rat, DS-1 etc) and a fuzz on my board. I use the distortion when I want less heavy sounds and then the fuzz for when I want to go all out. The JPTRFX Warlow has a bit of both in one pedal which I love!
good video dude, my opinion the zoom ms 50g and 70cdr are the best reverb if you're on the budget. i know going off subject but have you tried the fender shields blender? also i'm think about getting the slowdriver by emmergy fx, it's like a rat clone dedicated by slowdive
Those things look really cool mate! No I haven’t Unfortunately. The studio I was in a couple months ago had an old fender blender, but never got chance to plug it in. Oh that sounds really cool!
No worries! In all honesty not a lot. Me and Kiran the singer were born in October and I think one of us suggested the name and it went from there. We just thought it sounded cool and there was nothing else called the same (which is actually pretty hard haha!
@@thesethingsmakenoises ah that sounds pretty cool and yeah you’re defo not wrong about finding a name that doesn’t already exist haha Keep up the great work and look forward to more music from the band :)
I’d love to see how you fair with a Valteon Dapper Indie effects strip. I’ve seen them go for under £80 new, and has tuner, drive (Rat?), fuzz (Muff?), modulation, delay, and reverb, with a lot of options on the latter three.
I picked one up a month or two ago for $69 USD and it is super versatile and fun to play with especially for the price! I love how big the range is for delay time and reverb decay settings. Awesome bang for the buck IMO
I now own the Boss DS 1 and Sonicake - Levitate. I am trying to choose the next pedal for that 90's alt rock/dreampop sound but i'm not sure. Maybe the Big Muff?
you missed EHX Flatiron which is EHX's take on Rat. Just to have full EHX board 😆 On serious note. Great option for alt/gaze reverb could be TC Electronic HOF Mini. You can also upload your own TonePrint in it and use types of reverbs such as gated (used in shoegaze same way as reverse) or shimmer or modulated.
Hey! I feel like I’d like a ‘standard’ jazzmaster trem so I think I’m gonna buy a used squier at some point. I’m pretty sure it will be awesome but I’ll definitely do a video on it comparing to the fenders.
@@thesethingsmakenoises The J Mascis Jazzmaster punches way about it's price. And it's a very full, punchy sound. If you are looking for something a little surfier, the similar Squier 40th Anniversay is really good too, and has a more shimmery sound.
Theres another version of the Holy Grail that has a reverse reverb. I had the Holy Grail, I used it to record really old studio verb guitar licks for a track, I used an old Teisco and a little valve combo. Wow I nailed thdcsound straight off the bat, not faffing about setying up the pedal or amp parameters. How often does that happen. Cant go wrong.
It came from the way we used to “dance” to MBV and others at the indie nights of our local clubs in the late ‘80s. Skinny guys in black jeans shuffling around the floor staring at our shoes and bumping into everyone nearby.
I didn’t know if this was a joke, those are expensive af all of them and they’re all the original classics. Thought you were gonna show clones or something
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The DigiTech DigiVerb is a great option for those looking for reverse reverb options at a low price. It's also less expensive then the holy grail.
Ahh awesome. Thanks for that!
Behringer's got one with a reverse function too!
@ioncewasmikey they have but its one of the early discontinued ones, it can go for £50-£75.
Those Digitech era pedals are my fav. I've bought loads.
@stuartchapman5171 I forget what I paid for mine, might have gotten it in a lot of 3 or so Behringer pedals on ebay. I picked it up on there at the same time I got the Digiverb! ☺️
Really love the camera work and the playing dude it's great!
Hey! Thanks so much. That’s a big compliment coming from you. Your videos have been a huge inspiration making this channel ✌️
you could also go the DIY route... pedal PCB is very accessible. you can also go with kits!
Yes! I’ve actually got a kit which I am going to build and make a video for asap.
Excellent and affordable choices. I actually have both Soul Food and TC’s MojoMojo on my board right now. Soul Food has come very close to the Klon in some blind test shoot outs, very useable pedal. Keep the great vids coming!
Most overdrives sound very similar in a mix. It all comes down to personal preference of controls.
Yeah it’s certainly a great pedal! Thanks so much.
I was thinking where I recognise you from... I caught you at the Roundhouse the other month; great show. Enjoying the content
Ahh no way! It was amazing to get to play that stage. Thanks so much, really appreciate it.
Nice video and cool choices! Fokken love the Rat!
🤘🤘
Great video! Discovered your channel about a couple months ago, keep making great videos!
Side note, absolutely loved Forever Whatever, might be one of my new favorite albums now!
Hey, really glad you’re enjoying the videos!
Ahh thank you so much, that’s awesome. We’ve been busy recording new stuff!
I agree these are good choices. However I do think delay is important for any board in these genres. On the affordable front there are a lot of good options, but I have been very impressed with the JHS 3 series pedals and the new Walrus Fundamental series. Lot of bang for the buck in those lines and they have all the bases covered in them. Also.... hate to say it... people will need a tuner pedal!
Yeah you might be right there! The 3 series pedals are such good value. I should really add a jhs pedal to my board!
The Joyo Analog Delay is very good and very underrated. And it's only $35 new on Amazon. I picked up a used one years ago for $15 and it's still going strong.
All classics. It's nice to see a budget pedalboard recommended as buying less pedals but still buying really solid high end gear - the only thing better than a Rat is two Rats!! One budget pedal that I'm very fond of is a reverb called Snake Bite by Caline - I own two of them and they're great for playing around with in series but I always go back to the Holy Grail. I also love that it's called Snake Bite - I assume the marketing team have no understanding of either reverb or snakes.
Thanks! Yeah my thinking was get pedals that are going to last and make it as affordable as possible. Haha 2 rats would be awesome. Oh I haven’t heard of that before, that really is quite funny. 😂
For me, I'd probably stump up for Earthquaker Plumes as the drive, but then save a little on the RAT by getting the TC Magus Pro. Then maybe Mooer Ensemble King, because I prefer the Boss CE style chorus slightly, and it's a bit less noisy. For other options, the Behringer SF300 Super Fuzz sounds awesome for just over £20. And if budget could stretch, the TC Bucket Brigade is a really good sounding and well built BBD delay for around £50. Reverb, I don't know if I really like any of the cheap ones that much, though the Flamma FS-02 is quite good, and stereo for about £50 too.
IMO, Holygrail Max, BD-2 and Big Muff is a great combo.
I know you don't care for multi effects, the Zoom MS series is excellent. I'll recommend the MS70-cdr, which has kept its place on my board for close to 10 years. It punches well above its weight, and could easily handle all reverb, modulation, and delay functions. It's a space saver too!
I do actually think I’m gonna check them out properly. I hear amazing things!!
particle verb alone reason i still zoom ms50g
Love the RAT... too bad it breaks so easily. Through the years I broke like 4 and using the 5the one at the moment (with another one as a backup, in case it breaks during a set.). Love the sound though.
For me right now it's Behringer SuperFuzz first in signal chain for huge lead or powerchord sounds.
Then I'll use Digitech Screamin' Blues, BOSS OS2, Digitech FX69 "Grunge", DOD Ice Box chorus, Digitech Digidelay and - for now - a Behringer Reverb.
The rationale is this : SuperFuzz has a boost option.
Screamin' Blues, when pushed, can also sound fuzz-distortion-like.
OS2 allows a blend of OD and DS.
I would love to find a Digitech Digiverb.
Sounds like a great shout!
Yip, would recommend the Behringer SF300 Super Fuzz too. If you are looking for a decent but cheap reverb, can recommend the Flamma FS02 for about £50, and it's stereo too. NUX Atlantic is a good dual delay-reverb for about £100. Above that's it's probably the Walrus Fundamental, JHS 3-series, TC Hall of Fame, Boss RV-6 or EHX Oceans 11. Above that it's second-hand lo-fi reverbs like the great OBNE Dark Star, Walrus Slo or very high-quality but not cheap hi-fidelity reverbs like the awesome sounding GFI Skylar.
For a different overdrive and reverb... look at the Ehx Turnip Greens... it's a Soul Food and Holy Grail Max (spring, hall, plate, reverse). It's been on my board since 2018!
No way! Didn’t know about that pedal. Great shout!!
@@thesethingsmakenoises I can find them in the states for less than $250... not bad considering the two pedals. There's a switch for chain order and an insert for putting other pedals in between.
That’s really cool! Will definitely keep an eye out.
I feel like if you put reverb before distortion you"ll need another reverb in the end of the chain because if you have only one reverb before distortion it'd sound dry and messy (unless you're into this sound), think that's why a lot of pedal partners
videos sound the same
I heard Cocteau Twins before even clicking on the video, very spooky 😂
Speaking of spooky stuff, Bela Lugusi's Dead, In The Flat Field and Double Dare by Bauhaus is pretty nice with bats and stuff...
As for the video as always solid advice 😎
Haha no way really?
Ohh I haven’t heard the first one. I’ll check it out. Live Bauhaus though!
Oh it was this song (Bela Lugosi's Dead) that inspired me to watch Ed Wood 🦇
Another transparent OD I've really liked for years now is the Emerson Custom EM Drive, you can pick em up for under $70 used all day long. Stacks really with other gain stages
Sounds awesome!
I got rid of all my boutique guitar pedals and only play EHX, boss and DOD/Digitech stuff now… really. I found that they are more affordable, better made and sound vastly superior imho.. oh oh oh! I forgot the line six m5! I feel if you learn guitar.. every player should be issued one for free! Amazing pedal!
amazing video
Does anyone have the ID of the music at 6:20?
Joyo do some good options ,the tauren also does the klon thing well, cheaper than the soul food.
Recommend the d seed for delays including reverse and modulated, very good for shoegaze.
I need to check those pedals out. They sound awesome!
Sorry in advance for the question, I'm quite new to that whole pedal-stuff, but if I wanted to go for a noisier, fuzzier sound, would I just switch the rat out for a fuzz-pedal, or would I use an additional fuzz pedal and then have 3 pedals for some kind of distortion? Seems a bit overkill, but then again for shoegaze maybe not 😅
Btw. love your videos, watched a ton of them the last days!
I mean I personally have a distortion (Rat, DS-1 etc) and a fuzz on my board. I use the distortion when I want less heavy sounds and then the fuzz for when I want to go all out. The JPTRFX Warlow has a bit of both in one pedal which I love!
good video dude, my opinion the zoom ms 50g and 70cdr are the best reverb if you're on the budget. i know going off subject but have you tried the fender shields blender?
also i'm think about getting the slowdriver by emmergy fx, it's like a rat clone dedicated by slowdive
Those things look really cool mate!
No I haven’t Unfortunately. The studio I was in a couple months ago had an old fender blender, but never got chance to plug it in.
Oh that sounds really cool!
Sorry it's not related to the video but I was wondering what October Drift means/where did it came from?
No worries! In all honesty not a lot. Me and Kiran the singer were born in October and I think one of us suggested the name and it went from there. We just thought it sounded cool and there was nothing else called the same (which is actually pretty hard haha!
@@thesethingsmakenoises ah that sounds pretty cool and yeah you’re defo not wrong about finding a name that doesn’t already exist haha
Keep up the great work and look forward to more music from the band :)
I’d love to see how you fair with a Valteon Dapper Indie effects strip. I’ve seen them go for under £80 new, and has tuner, drive (Rat?), fuzz (Muff?), modulation, delay, and reverb, with a lot of options on the latter three.
Ohhh will have a look at that!
I picked one up a month or two ago for $69 USD and it is super versatile and fun to play with especially for the price! I love how big the range is for delay time and reverb decay settings. Awesome bang for the buck IMO
I now own the Boss DS 1 and Sonicake - Levitate. I am trying to choose the next pedal for that 90's alt rock/dreampop sound but i'm not sure. Maybe the Big Muff?
I currently run a ds 1 and big muff and the both of them stacked sound great definitely recommend one I’m now looking for a good atmosphere pedal
You can’t go wrong with a big muff dude! They’re awesome
For anyone with slightly more money to spend check out the wampler tumnus is another klin clone but it has 3 band eq
Nice!! That sounds great.
you missed EHX Flatiron which is EHX's take on Rat. Just to have full EHX board 😆
On serious note. Great option for alt/gaze reverb could be TC Electronic HOF Mini. You can also upload your own TonePrint in it and use types of reverbs such as gated (used in shoegaze same way as reverse) or shimmer or modulated.
Haha yeah!!
Ohhh that sounds awesome. I’ll have a look into that thing.
Sounds great!!!
🙌🙌
those 4 pedals are really nice
Thanks! They can get a pretty complete sound I think!
whats that smashing pumpkins song called?
Cherub Rock!
what are your thoughts on tc electronics hall of fame 2??
I know the original sounded good
Hi, noob here, any suggestions for recording? Do you record using a mic'd amp or straight into the direct input on the interface?
Record a plain clean signal into the interphase and then use the daw to shape your sound.
@@InvictusMilitis thanks! 👍
Do you put chorus and reverb in front or in effects loop?
I put them in front. I’ve never really used effects loops as some of my amps haven’t had them/ I’m just a bit lazy haha
@@thesethingsmakenoises awesome, me too. Just wanted to check. I just binge watched couple of your videos, keep doing them!
what amp will i use
And more. Please tell me the guitar tuning?
No probs! First 2 demos were just standard tuning and then I believe the last was drop D!
Nice set of pedals. More importantly you’ve reminded me I don’t have a jazzmaster
Isn't it rule of thumb to have as much invested in the pedals as guitar?
Agree very nice guitar.
Haha apologies to your wallet in advance
Hey! I feel like I’d like a ‘standard’ jazzmaster trem so I think I’m gonna buy a used squier at some point. I’m pretty sure it will be awesome but I’ll definitely do a video on it comparing to the fenders.
@@thesethingsmakenoises The J Mascis Jazzmaster punches way about it's price. And it's a very full, punchy sound. If you are looking for something a little surfier, the similar Squier 40th Anniversay is really good too, and has a more shimmery sound.
Stock blues driver. Second hand under £70 all day long. Does light gain and much heavier stuff. Almost impossible not to like.
Great pedal!
I need to checkout that Soul Food pedal
It’s a great pedal
No joke I went to the guitar store today and bought one, I'm getting the Holy Grail next @@thesethingsmakenoises
4:50 Song?
Just made it up mate!
@@thesethingsmakenoises Wow! Very Cool, mate
scrap that I listened to the wrong bit. Thats a take onsmahing pumpkin cherub rock! @@grunge223
Smashing Pumpkins -> Cherub Rock
My favorite fuzz pedal is the rat
Awesome pedal right!
What is the absolute cheapest reverse reverb out there?
Oceans 11 looks great, or boss rv6 but I’d say you can get pretty far with a ‘normal’ big reverb!
@@thesethingsmakenoises 👍
Holygrail Max works great.
@@framlucasse thanks!
Theres another version of the Holy Grail that has a reverse reverb. I had the Holy Grail, I used it to record really old studio verb guitar licks for a track, I used an old Teisco and a little valve combo. Wow I nailed thdcsound straight off the bat, not faffing about setying up the pedal or amp parameters. How often does that happen. Cant go wrong.
I’d swap out the holy grail for a hall of fame 1 for just a few more bucks, if not the same amount
Ahh good shout actually 🤘
Im doing a rat - Russian muff - mxr analog delay- anubi ambient box or walrus audio lore
That mini Holy Grail is not the full sized one. Have had both and prefer the Boss reverbs better.
Ahh fair enough the RV6 looks like a great pedal.
Who is this guy ??
Kevin Shields, guitarist and songwriter for My Bloody Valentine, which is essentially THE shoegaze band
flerb forever
"Cherry pepsi colored funk"
is it called shoegaze because you stare at your feet?
Yes.
Yeah!
I believe the term developed as a disparaging assessment of guitarists who lacked "stage presence"... whatever that means, lol.
It came from the way we used to “dance” to MBV and others at the indie nights of our local clubs in the late ‘80s. Skinny guys in black jeans shuffling around the floor staring at our shoes and bumping into everyone nearby.
失真觉得RAT是FAZZ,FAZZ觉得RAT是失真🤣
>shoegaze pedals
>plays grunge
Dude. Less talk please. Just play.
I didn’t know if this was a joke, those are expensive af all of them and they’re all the original classics. Thought you were gonna show clones or something