Keeping old machines like these in service appeals to me. Especially in cases where they can keep up with more modern ones.
I remember using old Conner Peripherals SCSI drives back in the day, I think I kept a few working ones, but with no usable controller card to use them with.
I really like the uniform switches and MHz speed indicator.
Thank your for posting and leaving this up. This helped me get my Model 90's going again.
Thank you for watching. Generally speaking, I don't take down videos unless there is something wrong with them, or I make a better replacement for an old video.
I need to return to this project and go through the steps of getting an operating system running. However, before I do, I need to overhaul the cooling system for the regulator transistor on the processor complex, so it won't fail. I don't have a whole lot of time to tinker with these machines any longer.
i like how you call the UA-cam copyright police "Music Mafia". it made my day.
Ahh memories, i had an old elenex xt super slow pc with dr-dos on it.
The hdd was a 5.25 inch 21mb (Wow lol) seagate mfm drive with a western digital wd1002
card running it.
After i assembled some good platters and re assembled it i called the rom low level format with the typical DEBUG then G=C800:5, smashing rom program.
Then the fdisk and filesystem format c:/u command.
Boot from floppy and type sys c: and the job was done :-)
Havnt touched one for years bill but i still remember.
I can't imagine how many of this model ive used to throw away. i used to work for a huge company with old computer hardware.
yesterday I found a PS/2 L40 SX at a local thrift store. Although it does work it has a few issues and the link to the reference disks will be a big help to getting things good and proper again. thanks.
***** I was able to get rawrite to put the image on the floppies, but it won't boot from them. For now I just boot into DOS with something else, then switch disks. I'm going to try the other image tools to see what works. However none of it is of any good anyway until I get new batteries, already have a plan there. I also plan on getting a video made over the weekend.
I love the videos you do of the PS/2 line. I never realized until I did some research that the PS/2 ports on computers now, were named after the PS/2 line of computers.
Yes Tim Knight passed away. That is a sad loss. I never saw you post as uxwbill so you have another name that I will recognize for sure. Now I'm tempted to do a youtube on some of my machines. My 9577BTB is my prize machine. I have an 8595 also souped up but I still would like to get a 9595. My bermuda Ultimedia I can do to. This is a lot of fun still.
Thank God these days are long GONE!
I ow lever format drives a Lot : , but I use the Maxtor / Segate Disk from Boot Disk Dot Com , it'll ID and work with many Drive Types ) QC
wow nice you know how long its been sense i'v had to do this i dont remember how to do this
Well, I just learned something that I wouldn't have thought of looking in Wikipedia for. Hopefully I'll never need to work with SCSI drives!
That Beige machine cost stupid dollars back in the day!
Now they are mental midgets!
Thank you Mr. Moore :)
Just short of 30 minutes of glorious PS/2!
Great clip as always
IBM ported AIX to the PS/2 at one point, even. 'AIX is a series of proprietary Unix operating systems developed and sold by IBM for several of its computer platforms. Originally released for the IBM 6150 RISC workstation, AIX now supports or has supported a wide variety of hardware platforms, including the IBM RS/6000 series and later POWER and PowerPC-based systems, IBM System i, System/370 mainframes, *PS/2 personal computers,* and the Apple Network Server.'
I think that there are SCSI2SAS adapters or SCSI2SATA adapter, SCSI is the forerunner to SAS and SATA drives.
I just noticed this. Remember the video on that Dell Dimension XPS P90C? When you were talking about that Apple CRT monitor, and how you cleaned it? At about 16:36 I saw that nasty gunk below the CRT. I guess you could use that part of the video as a before shot to the after shot in the video I mentioned in the comment..
I liked IBM's use of a fairly toolless case. Most things were removeable with a thumbscrew. I miss my PS/2 Model 50.
I never knew there was a PS/2 channel on UA-cam! This is awesome.
Cash America Pawn was still using these up until a few months ago. They may still be using them, I know I didn't remove them during their system upgrades.
This reminded me of all the stuff I have forgotten about the way it used to be... Makes one very thankful for modern SATA SMART hard drives. :) JC
@uxwbill 8580 was a freebie sent from California, I'd guess about 2006-2007. Was running Direct Access over DOS.
Nice machine! Thanks 4 taking me back in time! I used scsi and thank god that modern drives are not this difficult anymore, but it whas a very clever system and it whas way faster than mfm for example ever could be!
Wish I could put an XGA-2 card in my Model 80. I only have 16bit MCA slots. Did manage to find an M-ACPA audio card to put in, though!
@TechGuru88 Well at the time i was trying to install XP,but i have a windows 7 disk i will try it and see if it works.
Thank you for the help.
Nice explanation.
Brilliant! Thanks!
great vid! love those old hardware!
Love your computer vids man!
these old computer videos make me sad I threw out a bunch of ancient computers. I had this one gateway computer with RAMBUS, but I didn't realize RAMBUS was so special at the time.
Oh, there was primitive plug and play in 1995. But we called it Plug and Swear.
That's a beast of a power supply. Almost thought that my resolution dropped to 800x600, making everything look big. :)
@uxwbill Ok thank you so much for the help,and sorry for not sending it in a PM,i just have gotten used to people not anwsering their PMs.
Ah I remember my good ole PS2 as well.
That is a nice setup by IBM and I like that and the addition of the newer drive will make it possible to upgrade the OS to a higher level, but maybe not Windows 10.
Being a server guy back in the 90's I can tell you that plug and play back then was plug and pray.
Even today PnP for Windows is still a bit of plug and pray...
old computers are so scary to handle. it doesn't forgive quite a lot of mistakes...
I just got a whole load of Compaq Servers and I have about 10 SCSI Hard Drives but I have no way of testing them! Got a Mac with a SCSI Card and a PC with a SCSI Card but I can't get the HDs to show up. So I may end up selling them... got 8 2GBs and some 1Gbs and a 500MB
Huzzah! I was waiting for this one.
i actually have that same exact computer its sitting in my hallway, I found it in my friends barn one day and I asked him if I could take it home he said ok... now I am wondering if I can restore it. it has had no contact with water and it has an intel overdrive cpu in it or whatever a 1980s computer has so if I can get some information about this computer that would be great.
Also, I rather like seeing an 80186 in something other than an old Tandy 2000. :3
I thought the 8xxx PS/2s had a different video slot than the 9xxx PS/2s. huh.
24:51 This Yes-No-Yes pattern has always stuck with me, because I laughed when I first saw how they tried to trick someone not paying attention. I've been trying to explain it to people but always forgot exactly how it went (and also remembered it incorrectly as Y-Y-N.)
That little display is really cool because it has the same styling cues from the ps/2 line. obviously it is stock.
I got a question,my sister gave me an old dell power edge 1600sc server,it runs but if i try to install a normal verison of windows an IDE drive,it will work for about a month then start blue screening,now i have 4 73.3GB 10krpm SCSI drives(2 seagate,2 fujitsu)and i can install Unbuntu just fine on those drive and it still boots,but i want to use windows,but the windows installer won't see the drives,cause i need the SCSI drivers,which i can't find anywhere,do you know where i can find them?
personally id want to use either an HXC, or gotek floppy emulator over the actual disks, mostly cause its near impossible to get floppies that are reliable now
Now is there a way to find out just how many bad sectors are on that disk? I know that with regular formatting DOS or whatever it is that you used, can be made to tell you.
Nice, she's essentially a big beige box that's been hot-rodded, and will be a very nice addition to your collection.. why not have it store stuff related to all of your PS/2 stuff? :D
By what year did most hard drives stop being able to be low level formatted? Is it necessarily possible to low level format a Quantum Bigfoot? I ask because the Socket 7 motherboard I recently purchased has a low level format utility in its BIOS.
+NO I DIDN'T No hard drive larger than a few hundred megabytes in capacity may truly be low level formatted. The ability to truly low level format a hard drive disappeared when drives started including a CPU and control program onboard, used voice coil type actuators over the older stepper motor approach and the printed defect maps finally disappeared (since they wouldn't be needed).
You cannot truly low level format your Quantum Bigfoot drive. It is far too new. That said, many modern drives will interpret a "low level format" request as a request to erase themselves or write a test pattern to the disk.
***** Thanks for the clarification! I will not need to use this utility, then. I suppose it may come in handy for an old Seagate hard drive less than 150MB, though.
Love that PC, more videos?
Is my old 8580 still kicking around? Hope to see it some day.
I remember back in the late 1990s throwing away dozens of the model 85 and 95 PS/2 when I worked for the State of Florida. We had a room full of several IBM PC Server 720s and 500s running NT Server. I sure wish I had saved some of them; they were built like tanks, completely over engineered.
I know that a lot of people who are into retro computers use these Compact Flash to IDE adaptors so they can use Compact Flash cards in old PCs because CF cards can operate in IDE mode, but do you know of a way to potentially use a CF card in a computer that uses the SCSI standard?
My school also had a similar setup with the Josten's Learning Corporation (If i remember correctly they used a tree as a logo.) My school had IBM ps/2 model 25's as the workstations.
Similarities now with model 80? Very strange passages of system 2 affects on servers ,noted some being used as BBS services and even Linux. Can't see AIX comparisons would be great too find comparatives of such and where system 2 compliments Windows or better UNIX tn3270 services having finished some oracle Linux 7 use if the same . E devouring to bring back model 8085-071 16mhz but it has only one scuzzy labeled July 1987 which time year was changes in IBM noted developments of listed downloads . Problem reference 1.44MB won't fit floppy! Lame,I know.
Hey, I was wondering, since you found an IBM reference diskette site, i need a referance diskette for a Compaq Deskpro 3002. I can't find any anywhere. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. *also thank you for posting the site for the IBM computers, my model 80 is running alot better since i've set up the disk controller.
I never understood why IBM, up until that time, did not implement a BIOS where everything is saved in and run from the ROM, without having to run a diagnostics disk to save changes into the CMOS.
One reason probably came as a result of nearly every Microchannel adapter having a comprehensive configuration file that would be copied to the reference diskette for later use by system programs.
EISA systems often did the same thing, and Compaq certainly copied IBM's "system programs" approach for a number of years.
The monitor flicker hurts... my.... BRAIN!!!!!!1!!111
ITs tend to delete NTLDR and any important files from hard drives when they get rid of them.
Oh my god, I was commenting on vwestlife's video about how much I wanted one of this .. then I see the related video.. I'm jealous.
(read/write/check), (read/write/check), (read/write/check), (read/write/check), (read/write/check), 1/2 hours later..Floppy-in, Floppy-out..Nice Video..
I have that same monitor!! :)
I think I read that in the old days drivers were completely bare from the factory, so that's why we low level formatted them to set up the tracks and sectors?
yea if your ever looking to get rid of those drives ill sure as heck take them
This is great, now install OS/2 and it'll be complete!
@borderlineartistic thats what i meant
I got an Compaq Proliant ML370 with two pentium3 1 ghz cpu's and it has it's bios programs on the harddrive that you boot from on an hidden partition ,I newer tryed an Ibm server but it sounds like that having the bios programs on the harddrive is normal for servers :).
plug and play then meant exactly what it said U plugged it in the U play around getting it to run xD i love old computers i just wished my mum will let me have them =(
I remember in the early to mid 90's as a child in elementary that this model of PS/2 or a very similar one was used as a server for a series of double floppy drive equipped diskless workstations in a computer lab that were PS/2 Workstations using a login program called "Josten's Learning Corporation" which used "Writetime" on them as a learning program or something like that. The workstations could only boot from a floppy. Are you familiar with what I am talking about?
can you open up the failed drive so we can see the insides? :D
I somehow want more vids about that PC :D
The guy talks like in 50' people where talking in television
Hey bill,dya no Shiva appletalk box from u.s.a 110v but need 240uk ,no manuals,but many jumpers inside as well as probably simple plug to turn voltage. Any ideas much appr,steve
@IamFat32 Prolly' find one on Ebay...?
The PS/2 MCA was really so far ahead of anything available in 1987 for a PC - it was almost as easy to set up as a NuBus Macintosh II!
Do you have an overview video on this system? I love these PS/2 servers
Nowadays I use 7zip as a source of uncompression for most DOS files like ARJ, LZH and more!
It's Nice stuff for DOS computer users that use Windows also!
Hi again uxwbill i have a riddle for you to do with storage drives, what does it mean if my Solid state drive is making a high pitch whining noise ? i got so fed up with this Transcend drive i put my old faithful Western Digital drive back in , the SSD is only 4 years old so im very surprised its giving me such hassle since the HDD is 15 years old
There's probably some sort of voltage conversion circuit within the Transcend drive. These should ideally be silent, but some make noise because the switching frequency (or a harmonic) falls within the range of our hearing. Other components (coils like transformers or inductors) can also resonate, amplifying the sound. Sometimes it's a defect, or bad design. Other times it's just the way things are.
@@uxwbill Ah that's awesome thanks for this information Bill 😁🙏 as I was scratching my head trying to figure out what the noise could be , definitely was something wrong with the SSD as when I tested the read/write speed it was only slightly quicker than my ancient hard drive ,anyway thank you again for your help my brother 😊👍
Is these terminal cluster cards IBM of any use for this? Keep pop on eBay doesn't say terminal like 5250 or 3270 so guess could be node or maybe like tv. Media box terminus...
Probably not, unless you actually want to run one of those networks. If you do, you'll probably need some kind of IBM mainframe.
+uxwbill had a pretty powerful quantianKnoppix cluster that used too call up several Aix ,rs6000,s390,as/400 etc. OpenMosix basis allowed node and Vfs manipulation of red hat Glusters where developed gFortran,clang ,in GCC as UNIX Linux aix r&d including KDE/Gtk API/abi thing. (There's couple Vax for tun fifty sterling at eBay Appleton-Rutherford labs!)
hey uxwbill, I found an old server SCSI card at my recycle center once
Who is Tim Knight?
can you send me that lcd thing if i pay shipping?
What's the logo on the top left of the computer monitor's front bezel, shown at the start of the video? I'm talking about the monitor used with the computer that was creating the disks you needed for the PS/2.
If you were to sell one of your 486s, How much?
@uxwbill Would it work with shipping the old ones? please write a private message to me, if it works and how...
What operating system does it have? be the NTLDR means that it could have been some kind of NT or windows 2000
Probably NT Workstation/Server 4 or Windows 2000 Server. It *could* have been Windows XP, but it's very unlikely.
What OS are you using to write the floppy disks? Wouldn't it have to be Windows 9x to switch over to DOS like that?
Can they still be used as decent servers today?
I spy the infinite cat project! Is Pumpkin a part of it?
No, I never could get her to pose for the computer when that project was in its heyday. Later on, though, she was looking at the computer when I was editing a video about a Panasonic Magic Stop fan. I had the good fortune to get a picture, which is the thumbnail for that video. She's never done it again.
10 000 Rpm? thats quite impressive.
+Composite guy Yes, and there are also 15,000 RPM hard drives as well. I have a few of those.
This was SCSI. SCSI as time went on wasn't as popular with mainstream. These were built with businesses in mind. So, the speed was well worth the price to businesses and IT professionals.
What do you sell?!
Me: I should study for my exams.
*Proceeds to spend almost half an hour learning how to set up hard drives on a 20+ year old computer*