The fact that this defense team was so ridiculously bad and unprofessional and the prosecution still dropped the ball from the start and ultimately lost is insane
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive this wasnt about the prosecutors talking about the defense teams kids, this was after the victims parents made impact statements and one or two of them shit on the defense team for laughing and joking around with the defendant as if he was an innocent kid and not someone who was already found guilty of killing 17 people.
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_AliveI honestly don't give 5 flips. The defense sat and laughed with the dude who slaughtered the children of the people coming up to give these statements. Yet somehow the defense team, endured worse? Sit the eff down.
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive you're on this strange crusade in this comments section. Completely ignoring when you're corrected. As everyone else has said: victim impact statements were interrupted by giggling and unprofessionally from the defense team. He stood up there and indirectly threatened the judges kids because he was a little butthurt that one of those victims stated they wouldn't be doing that if this were their kids. Something that is entirely allowed within an impact statement. What isn't allowed is to bring the judge into that. For many reasons, but mainly safety and security.
She's nice. A lot of people were called for jury duty for this trial, but no one wanted to be part of the jury for this trial. I was one of the people they tried to bring in, but there's no way I could do it. When we were told what case we were choosen for everyone in the room tensed up. The courtroom for this trial was brand new on the 20th floor, two of the floors below were still completely empty. It was as if they built this court room just for this case.
"Can I have a recess" "No." "But can I have a recess?" "NO." "But judge...can I have a recess?" For fucks sake, he's literally playing the "Why?" game kids play with their parents.
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_AliveMy God, you're the only one here going through.Every single comment red to try to insult and well aggravate your way into winning
How come some defense attorneys seem to abandon common sense? If they sat and watched anyone else say stupid shit in court, they would call it just that.
because one of the rules about being an attorney is that you MUST defend that person to the fullest ability that you can. otherwise you can lose your license to practice law because you arent doing literally everything to defend your client. now, flipping people off and threatening the judges children is NOT what im talking about here, thats just being an evil piece of shit
Nah it’s not the job. That’s a shallow minded comment. If you are defense attorney for someone like that you present your argument in a professional manner. You don’t laugh the shit off. Those parents don’t deserve this clown show.
I for one think prison for life is worse than the death penalty. All day being told what to do. You have to literally shit in a cement box next to some random felon who you have no idea what they are in for.
The aftemath of going to prison almost sucks as much as being there too. I have a family member who went to prison and integrating back into society was hard for him. Finding jobs and socializing was difficult. All of his relationships prior and during his prison sentence became really awful. And the worst is the behaviors he developed that effects the people around him. Some of it is his fault, but prison fucks with people so much that it takes a specific kind of person to actually be able to function afterwards.
Yeah honestly thats so frustrating, i would have absolutely held them in contempt if it were me, sometimes people only start listening when they start racking up charges
That judge reminds me of a high school teacher who’s fed up with students misbehaving and has to yell at them, but the students in this case are what should be very professional adults lol Edit: I swear I’ve seen her before, not for this case though. She honestly appears to be a great judge, and is perfect to deal with immature adults like the ones here. Also, I’m a person that doesn’t really like extreme professionalism and I think that a lot of ‘professional’ environments should be much more lax, but a court, especially for a school shooting, is NOT one of those places. As much as I hate a suit and tie (as a metaphor for professionalism, cause suits actually look pretty good lol), a court is place that you should always wear one, no exceptions. Except for funerals really, there’s no other place where being extremely professional is really necessary. I can’t believe how stupid some people are when the position they’re in requires actual brainpower. I gotta admit, I’m commenting as I’m watching the video, and oh my f*cking god, how on Earth do people who study law not understand the basic respects you give to a judge. When they tell you to sit down, you sit down silently, not refuse to do it and constantly interrupt what they say. There’s a reason why you’re supposed to address a judge as “your honour”, and not just ‘judge’. They’re either doing this on purpose as a strategy (like Charlie said), or they have no clue how to act in court. Okay, just one more thing. I get that a life sentence mean life in prison, but Charlie kinda made me think how long really is a life sentence. Is it 80 years? 100? However long the person lives? So I went and searched it up, and the Wiki page I found had a highlighted section on Google saying basically they’ll spend their entire life till the day the die in prison. I wanted to check if there’s any additional info, so I clicked the Life Imprisonment Wiki link, and I swear to god the sentence right before the highlighted section is the result of this exact case. Mentioning the name, murders, and 34 consecutive life sentences without parole. I just though that was kinda funny how coincidentally the article I found was specifically mentioning the topic of this video, and I only searched for it cause of this video lol Okay, so I didn’t even need to search it up apparently lol. And I apparently got it wrong, I didn’t really look at parole. Glad to know he’s gonna die in there tho
@@EmeraldPencil46 the meaning of a “life sentence” seems to vary by country. I think in a lot of places it’s technically less than a lifetime but that’s just the amount of time before you’re eligible for parole, so if you did something really bad you’ll still prob die in jail
It's delay tactics at best. I feel like they had to have figured out that they had what had the potential to be a sympathetic/anti death penalty jury from the start, and they would NOT want this case thrown out and retried. But if they can drag it out they keep their homeboys hopes up a little longer
She was wrong though. He was talking about a reference to his kids and as soon as he mentions her kids as a hypothetical she goes berserk. Classic double standard. Others could reference the lawyer's kids but hers are off limits. This whole case was a sh1t show which is bad. That's how guilty people get mistrials and appeals. She potentially comprised the case by her actions. The defense potentially compromised the verdict by providing inadequate counsel. Those can both help a guilty man go free.
@@riffbw bro there's a difference from the dude himself mentioning HIS OWN KIDS then bringing up someone else's she was not wrong idk WTF your talking about. The defense flipped the judge off made a mockery of the court AND SHE DIDNT charge them with contempt in court or w.e it is. Your literally focusing on THE ONE issue the defense could argue.... The counter is of course THE DEFENSE LAWYERS CAUSED HER TO DO THAT.. THEY WERE TRYING TO GO FOR A MISS TRIAL
@@riffbw it's not a double standard.... HE CHOSE to mention his hypothetical kids. The judge did NOT MENTION her own kids The DEFENSE LAWYER DID no double standard are you just a woman hater?
As I recall, this was during victim impact statements after the jury had already reached their decision. The defense succeeded in getting him life imprisonment and not death (shooter already pleaded guilty). The victims and their families harshly criticized the unprofessionalism and lack of empathy from the defense team, NOT for doing their job of defending (like how their conduct/disrespect was cruel and that they will get their karma for the way they treated the victims). That's why the defense lawyers were talking about being "threatened" and "venom" spewed from the State's side, saying that the rhetoric in the victim impact statements were enabled by the State.
@@mako3197 quite frankly, I think that serves him right! Cann you imagine a life in living hell at so young an age? Growing up, and facing your bad choiches, day, after day after day.... world with out end.....!
At some point the individual needs to lose their license to practice or the BAR for the state needs to step in with their penalties such as having their cases supervised to temp suspension, which can be a few years.
To be clear, life in prison means you can apply for parole after a minimum amount of years set by the judge are served, but there is no guarantee you will get it and could effectively stay there forever. Life without the possibility of parole on the other hand, means you *will die* in prison, you will *never* get out. And just in case one of the sentences or multiple are reduced in appeal or something like that, sometimes the sentences are stacked, meaning you will serve multiple sentences consecutively instead of concurrently so that, even if one or a few of your sentences are changed to a lower amount, you will still have plenty of others to ensure that you will die in prison no matter what if your crime is particularly heinous.
Hybristophilia is a thing oddly enough. That woman flipping the court off is trying to impress him. I would also lose it if anyone hinted at my children for anything as a judge.
It might be the case that the lawyers are acting so incredibly unprofessional so that after the trial Cruz can say he had ineffective assistance of council and get a retrial or mistrial or whatever. However, that would be damaging to their reputation, not to mention the damage they’re already doing.
“No one had to endure what we went through.” Dude. The families of the victims of the school shooter have gone through some of the most unimaginable horror and pain anyone can even imagine. What an absolute loser.
You know how in different sports one team isn't very strong so they try to get the other team fouled and hope to make points during the penalty. Say thing with some lawyers. They try to invite the judge to lose their composure and then they can ask for a recusal because the judge can't control themselves. The longer the defense can draw out the case, the more questionable people's memories become and the more likely the police lose/misplace evidence. So if you have no defense you try to stall the trial
Lawyers like these are the one's that give us lawyers the reputation we have... Some ppl think being a lawyer and having shit tonne of money means they can do anything... Its pathetic...
24:49 this is why in a disagreement online, if the other commentor can't be convinced in only 1 reply, it just aint worth your time. You get your origional comment, and 1 reply. If they still can't read after that, then just leave the replies. Your mental health will thank you.
@@duewhat9815 1, never said you were the idiot with the rage bait, 2, you are right, I didn't mean to make it seem like I was accusing YOU personally of rage bait.
@@victorias3280 She lied though. No one threatened her children. She was told that it's weird that when their children were mentioned it passed by her without notice, but if her kids were brought up she would and would have put an end to it. And look, he was totally right, and not only that she then lied and said he was making threats towards HER children. The judge was fired/resigned for this - she's not fit to sit as a judge.
I get his point if his children were brought up. And the moment he shifts the idea to her kids, she goes off the rails. Clearly she didn't like her kids being referenced which is the EXACT POINT he was making about his kids. It should be off limits. That said, that whole defense team was terrible and society is lucky the shooter didn't get to appeal for inadequate counsel. Seriously, that behavior can get you a mistrial or appeal based on the defense not doing their job. Lawyers always say the hardest job to do is to defend someone you know is guilty. And in the case of suspects like this you really want to lose your case, but you have to give your best fight to save him to ensure you don't get slapped with inadequate counsel.
You don't go there "do the bare minimum". Being a successful lawyer isn't just about winning. This case, although unwinnable, offers the chance of exposure. The lawyer giving the middle finger has ruined whatever was likely left of a horrible career though. The lawyers out there who didn't desperately need a last chance, or a big push up though are off lawyering to a higher standard. Who knows, maybe Trump will bail out the middle finger one, by offering her a position for which he won 't pay...
This is the same judge who put up with Darrell Brooks when he represented himself and it was a total shitshow. She was absolutely professional and way more patient than any other judge I have ever seen.
As for your argument with that other person, ya the judge was also out of line. Not in a huge way but regardless of how annoying and unprofessional the others are being, she's got to keep her emotions out of her decisions, which she didnt do. Ya, it makes good viewing and the lawyers in this are a bunch of clowns but her freaking out about a mention of her kids was unprofessional, especially since it was the exact same card that the clown lawyer was using. It made no sense for her to then immediately use it, whilst denouncing him for doing so.
I think the judge would want to avoid holding a defense attorney in contempt not just because it prolongs the trial, but it also gives the defense an argument to make for an appeal. To be fair though, I did think the judge was overreacting to the comment about her children - the guy wasn't "threatening" her children, he was just saying to her that if *her* children were mentioned by someone during trial, she would be angry too. He didn't specifically say anything about her children, he was just making a comparison.
Yeah nah I’m sorry she was literally just proving his point and seemed to be fed up with whatever was going on. She ignored his whole point which is bullshit because she had a really important job which requires listening. She fucked up.
Not really, plenty of people get charged with crimes they didn't commit. Any non public defender lawyer who takes a school shooter case is definitely scummy though
@@CAVEMANsean i can see both points here. There are plenty of good lawyers, even defense lawyers who want to go to back for the wrongfully accused. But what @noddingout is saying also has truth to it. There are plenty of lawyers who happily represent scumbags, not just for money, but they simply seem to not care about what their client has done. One of my college professors was a retired judge and former attorney. He loved to brag about the cases he won, defending absolute monsters. They did things i dont even feel comfortable writing here. He'd have the proudest dmile on his face too as he'd describe what the person did and how he got them off.
@@m00shminki88 I'm an attorney, I was a criminal defense attorney for several years in NY in the earliest days of my career. I even defended a murder case. I will tell you flat out that there are some very honorable and respectable attorneys, and there are some real gremlins. Some prosecutors care, others act like they are trying to make a conviction quota. I tried to be the good defense attorney you want to be, but there's a weird thing that happens when you can't sleep at night after a big win, or, more terrifyingly from a career perspective, realize you feel relieved that you lost. I had a boss that saw everything as a war. Us vs them. Seeing their side or suggesting we take a plea deal for an obviously guilty client had me on multiple occasions accused of some sort of treason. I know there are some white knights on both sides that want justice to prevail and understand that that is the point of our combative system, but so many attorneys take it too far. And its hard, its really hard. The biggest hurdle is that you have someone's life in your hands as a defense attorney. And most of the time, you think, I hope maybe this one's innocent because more often than not, you don't really know, and that's the scary part. That's the part that'll make you throw up every day at the courthouse before trial trying to figure out if what youre doing is trying to save a life being wronged or just make things worse for people who have been. I don't practice criminal law anymore. I don't think I had the headspace for it. I will always be amazed by those that do and not only keep their sanity, but their moral compass intact.
i dont understand how you can even defend a school shooter, like even if you say "its their job" like if i worked at like idk a fucking pizza place for example, and i was told to shit in a pizza because thats what they ordered and its my job, i think i would quit instead, and this is a little worse than that as you would imagine
He didn't say anything about her children though. He said that people were talking about his children, and then made the point that if what those other people had said, had been about the Judge's kids, she would have dropped the hammer on them. While, at least in their minds, she didn't seem to care at all that someone might have said something about someone else's kids. She literally proved his point. He said "your children" and she took it out of context and shat all over the dude.
Considering the judge in question seems to have lost her job because of this (resigned at least), I have to assume the defences plan was to infuriate her to the point her responses could be considered emotional, or that she was somehow biased towards the prosecution.
This is a massive reach, but maybe the defense was intentionally acting up so that the judge would be in no mood to give any leniency during sentencing lol. Maybe in reality they hated the kid as much as the rest of us and were trying to screw him over as much as possible… or they’re just class A idiots, either one Lol
I've seen toddlers behave more respecfully in court, do you really think these trained professionals had something in their mind other than- you know what scratch that, do you really think they had something in their mind?
Am an attorney, judge was not out of line. These attorneys will have to go be in front of this judge again, and now every single one of that attorney’s defendants will be at a disadvantage due to his dumb dumb behavior
7:35 although i dont support the defense the point he made is oddly sound he said if they were talking about your kids you'd notice and he immediately gets thrown out for bringing up and threatining her kids(which he never threatened in any way) which is the EXACT POINT he was making that it only wasnt taken seriously because i didnt involve the judge
Wow ❤ this judge looks better than My prom date ? Can someone explain that ? She looks like someone you would see dancing at a club or playing volleyball on the beach ⛱️ jogging in a bikini..... Not dealing with courtrooms handing down sentences, Her husband is a lucky man..... Even in MOVIES I've never seen a judge this hot 🔥
The fat lawyer actually didn’t “threaten the Judge’s children” - he was attempting to use her kids as an example of “how would you feel if - - “ and was cut off before he could finish his point. There’s no question that the Defense team acted like unprofessional clowns, but on this specific point, if you re-watch that portion of the clip, she did misinterpret and prematurely overreact to his comment.
yea i was so confused by this. i literally rewinded looking for where he was out of line. it’s pretty understandable to ask “how would you feel if it happened to you?” i feel like she was just losing patience and just the words “your kids” made her blow up. i understand why tho lol the defense was acting crazy for a while.
honestly think the judge did over react to the "threat" to her kids, the lawyer said this is what im experiencing, would you be ok experiencing that? its not really a threat so much as an attempt to solicit empathy, and scummy as it is given the circumstances, if his kids were brought into this and actually threatened in some way then that is fucked up. he didnt threaten her kids as far as i can see though, he was however very childish and shitty generally, and as such i understand why the judge got heated. but he didnt threaten to hurt her kids from what i can see here
“No one had endured what we had to” wow.. saying that in front of victims of a school shooting and parents who lost their kids
This happened after the family impact statement. The defence didn't like what the family had to say, about their conduct during the trail.
as a wise lawyer once said
"you are not a clown, you are the entire circus"
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Isn't like the number one rule to not piss off the judge? Wtf is going on in that court room.
Florida is such a ridiculous joke for pressuring that judge into resigning from her job.
The fact that this defense team was so ridiculously bad and unprofessional and the prosecution still dropped the ball from the start and ultimately lost is insane
He got off?
@@TwoLeftSh0esno he got multiple life sentences but they were going for the death penalty 💀
i'm fairly certain arguing and obtaining multiple life sentences is the opposite of "losing" fuckin morons on the internet.
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive this wasnt about the prosecutors talking about the defense teams kids, this was after the victims parents made impact statements and one or two of them shit on the defense team for laughing and joking around with the defendant as if he was an innocent kid and not someone who was already found guilty of killing 17 people.
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_AliveI honestly don't give 5 flips. The defense sat and laughed with the dude who slaughtered the children of the people coming up to give these statements. Yet somehow the defense team, endured worse? Sit the eff down.
This judge was super nice. I've never seen footage where lawyers just dont listen to the judge 10 times in a row with no repercussions
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive you're on this strange crusade in this comments section. Completely ignoring when you're corrected.
As everyone else has said: victim impact statements were interrupted by giggling and unprofessionally from the defense team.
He stood up there and indirectly threatened the judges kids because he was a little butthurt that one of those victims stated they wouldn't be doing that if this were their kids. Something that is entirely allowed within an impact statement.
What isn't allowed is to bring the judge into that. For many reasons, but mainly safety and security.
That lawyer should be permanently disbarred and held in contempt of court. 10 years at MINIMUM.
She's nice. A lot of people were called for jury duty for this trial, but no one wanted to be part of the jury for this trial. I was one of the people they tried to bring in, but there's no way I could do it. When we were told what case we were choosen for everyone in the room tensed up. The courtroom for this trial was brand new on the 20th floor, two of the floors below were still completely empty. It was as if they built this court room just for this case.
She nice but has zero control over her court room. Its ridiculous
"this guy is a giant big baby man" made me bust out laughing so abruptly I spat all over my drawing tablet
"Can I have a recess"
"No."
"But can I have a recess?"
"NO."
"But judge...can I have a recess?"
For fucks sake, he's literally playing the "Why?" game kids play with their parents.
Giving the same energy as the "can I pet that dog?" Kid
I was half expecting him to accuse her of just being moody and on her period
Damn I haven’t heard the teacher tone the judge had in years. That tone can straighten out a whole room in one minute
Lmao he seemed to care so much about children she decided to treat him like one
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_AliveMy God, you're the only one here going through.Every single comment red to try to insult and well aggravate your way into winning
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive Oh look, its you once again blantanly ignoring what happened previously in the court room to cause this.
telling the lawyer to go stand in the corner
Love that judge. So based
Fine as hell too
based? how? stop being a simp ass loser.
@@SapienSafariTHATS WHAT IM SAYIN
@@SapienSafarishe reminds me of cuddy from house 😂😂
How come some defense attorneys seem to abandon common sense? If they sat and watched anyone else say stupid shit in court, they would call it just that.
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_AliveI think both are just as bad depending on the case.
Money, money, money, money, money.
because one of the rules about being an attorney is that you MUST defend that person to the fullest ability that you can. otherwise you can lose your license to practice law because you arent doing literally everything to defend your client. now, flipping people off and threatening the judges children is NOT what im talking about here, thats just being an evil piece of shit
Nah it’s not the job. That’s a shallow minded comment. If you are defense attorney for someone like that you present your argument in a professional manner. You don’t laugh the shit off. Those parents don’t deserve this clown show.
Very well said
850 years plus no parole 😂 damn
I for one think prison for life is worse than the death penalty. All day being told what to do. You have to literally shit in a cement box next to some random felon who you have no idea what they are in for.
You're right. Death row typically get their own pod and rec time plus it takes like over 10 years to be executed anyways
You've never seen a prison post 2000 have you?
@captainawf2341 Yeah, depending on the security level and area, you will get something more modern, but it's still not pretty.
Depends on the charge, if you got chomo charges life will be hell, if you are a car thief who can handle himself you are probably fine
The aftemath of going to prison almost sucks as much as being there too. I have a family member who went to prison and integrating back into society was hard for him.
Finding jobs and socializing was difficult. All of his relationships prior and during his prison sentence became really awful. And the worst is the behaviors he developed that effects the people around him. Some of it is his fault, but prison fucks with people so much that it takes a specific kind of person to actually be able to function afterwards.
Yeah honestly thats so frustrating, i would have absolutely held them in contempt if it were me, sometimes people only start listening when they start racking up charges
Being proud of having fascist tendencies?
Disgusting.
I have never been able to tell that a woman is a mother of like 3 kids so fast before in my life.
Until I watched this, lol
That judge reminds me of a high school teacher who’s fed up with students misbehaving and has to yell at them, but the students in this case are what should be very professional adults lol
Edit: I swear I’ve seen her before, not for this case though. She honestly appears to be a great judge, and is perfect to deal with immature adults like the ones here.
Also, I’m a person that doesn’t really like extreme professionalism and I think that a lot of ‘professional’ environments should be much more lax, but a court, especially for a school shooting, is NOT one of those places. As much as I hate a suit and tie (as a metaphor for professionalism, cause suits actually look pretty good lol), a court is place that you should always wear one, no exceptions. Except for funerals really, there’s no other place where being extremely professional is really necessary. I can’t believe how stupid some people are when the position they’re in requires actual brainpower.
I gotta admit, I’m commenting as I’m watching the video, and oh my f*cking god, how on Earth do people who study law not understand the basic respects you give to a judge. When they tell you to sit down, you sit down silently, not refuse to do it and constantly interrupt what they say. There’s a reason why you’re supposed to address a judge as “your honour”, and not just ‘judge’. They’re either doing this on purpose as a strategy (like Charlie said), or they have no clue how to act in court.
Okay, just one more thing. I get that a life sentence mean life in prison, but Charlie kinda made me think how long really is a life sentence. Is it 80 years? 100? However long the person lives? So I went and searched it up, and the Wiki page I found had a highlighted section on Google saying basically they’ll spend their entire life till the day the die in prison. I wanted to check if there’s any additional info, so I clicked the Life Imprisonment Wiki link, and I swear to god the sentence right before the highlighted section is the result of this exact case. Mentioning the name, murders, and 34 consecutive life sentences without parole. I just though that was kinda funny how coincidentally the article I found was specifically mentioning the topic of this video, and I only searched for it cause of this video lol
Okay, so I didn’t even need to search it up apparently lol. And I apparently got it wrong, I didn’t really look at parole. Glad to know he’s gonna die in there tho
@@EmeraldPencil46 the meaning of a “life sentence” seems to vary by country. I think in a lot of places it’s technically less than a lifetime but that’s just the amount of time before you’re eligible for parole, so if you did something really bad you’ll still prob die in jail
Is this some kind of weird stunt where you know you cant win so you try to get it thrown out by misconduct?
It's delay tactics at best. I feel like they had to have figured out that they had what had the potential to be a sympathetic/anti death penalty jury from the start, and they would NOT want this case thrown out and retried. But if they can drag it out they keep their homeboys hopes up a little longer
They're legally required to try their hardest under threat of disbarment, they'll reach for anything
The supreme court’s decision to reprimand the judge on this was is so disappointing.
That happened? Those supreme judges need to be removed if so
She was wrong though. He was talking about a reference to his kids and as soon as he mentions her kids as a hypothetical she goes berserk. Classic double standard. Others could reference the lawyer's kids but hers are off limits.
This whole case was a sh1t show which is bad. That's how guilty people get mistrials and appeals. She potentially comprised the case by her actions. The defense potentially compromised the verdict by providing inadequate counsel. Those can both help a guilty man go free.
@@riffbw bro there's a difference from the dude himself mentioning HIS OWN KIDS then bringing up someone else's she was not wrong idk WTF your talking about. The defense flipped the judge off made a mockery of the court AND SHE DIDNT charge them with contempt in court or w.e it is. Your literally focusing on THE ONE issue the defense could argue.... The counter is of course THE DEFENSE LAWYERS CAUSED HER TO DO THAT.. THEY WERE TRYING TO GO FOR A MISS TRIAL
@@riffbw it's not a double standard.... HE CHOSE to mention his hypothetical kids. The judge did NOT MENTION her own kids The DEFENSE LAWYER DID no double standard are you just a woman hater?
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As I recall, this was during victim impact statements after the jury had already reached their decision. The defense succeeded in getting him life imprisonment and not death (shooter already pleaded guilty). The victims and their families harshly criticized the unprofessionalism and lack of empathy from the defense team, NOT for doing their job of defending (like how their conduct/disrespect was cruel and that they will get their karma for the way they treated the victims). That's why the defense lawyers were talking about being "threatened" and "venom" spewed from the State's side, saying that the rhetoric in the victim impact statements were enabled by the State.
@@mako3197 quite frankly, I think that serves him right!
Cann you imagine a life in living hell at so young an age?
Growing up, and facing your bad choiches, day, after day after day.... world with out end.....!
That lawyer was in an older case where she did the exact same thing and got barred from the case
At some point the individual needs to lose their license to practice or the BAR for the state needs to step in with their penalties such as having their cases supervised to temp suspension, which can be a few years.
Oh so these are the folks the She-Hulk Writers got their ideas from
damn wtf happened in she-hulk lmao
Life without a chance of parol is his life no way to leave regardless of how many counts
Where's the bailiff? That attorney should be led out of court.
To be clear, life in prison means you can apply for parole after a minimum amount of years set by the judge are served, but there is no guarantee you will get it and could effectively stay there forever. Life without the possibility of parole on the other hand, means you *will die* in prison, you will *never* get out. And just in case one of the sentences or multiple are reduced in appeal or something like that, sometimes the sentences are stacked, meaning you will serve multiple sentences consecutively instead of concurrently so that, even if one or a few of your sentences are changed to a lower amount, you will still have plenty of others to ensure that you will die in prison no matter what if your crime is particularly heinous.
Hybristophilia is a thing oddly enough. That woman flipping the court off is trying to impress him. I would also lose it if anyone hinted at my children for anything as a judge.
It might be the case that the lawyers are acting so incredibly unprofessional so that after the trial Cruz can say he had ineffective assistance of council and get a retrial or mistrial or whatever. However, that would be damaging to their reputation, not to mention the damage they’re already doing.
“No one had to endure what we went through.”
Dude. The families of the victims of the school shooter have gone through some of the most unimaginable horror and pain anyone can even imagine.
What an absolute loser.
Bro she really was talking to grown men like kids... that's just embarrassing for straight up adults is absolutely wild!
You know how in different sports one team isn't very strong so they try to get the other team fouled and hope to make points during the penalty. Say thing with some lawyers. They try to invite the judge to lose their composure and then they can ask for a recusal because the judge can't control themselves. The longer the defense can draw out the case, the more questionable people's memories become and the more likely the police lose/misplace evidence. So if you have no defense you try to stall the trial
they're also incompetent lawyers so it benifits the public if they are his only defense.
I like this judge.
When a higbristaphilliac becomes a lawyer 😂
So did those defence attorneys get disbarred?
no but the judge was reprimanded and is no longer a judge. She was clearly biased favoring the prosecution if you paid attention to the trial
I can confirm that Oklahoma is whack
No parole means no parole eligibility. 25 years doesn’t apply.
the job of a public defender is to defend their client, not to be friends with them. insane behavior
Didn’t the judge have to resign after this despite everyone else being an issue?
I love these re-uploads, have you considered adding the chat to it please?
If the VOD is still up, it shouldn’t be too challenging
the video is posted flipped so you wouldnt be able to read the chat anyway.
@@Eevee64LoverJust put the chat box in the flipped side, but not mirrored.
@@devoteeofmediocrity821 thats a lot of editing
Literally an elementary grade classroom with those clowns
Poor judge🤦♂️
Are we sure these are actual adults and not just a bunch of kids in trench coats?
Yeah oklahoma is pretty wild honestly lol
thats for fucking sure
tulsa and okc are terrible places to be
Oh my goodness this judge is awesome
Public defenders have ROUGH jobs for like $45k/yr. How can you defend this guy's actions, though. Ugh
Lawyers like these are the one's that give us lawyers the reputation we have... Some ppl think being a lawyer and having shit tonne of money means they can do anything... Its pathetic...
No wonder the judge treated them like school children, they behaved like school children.
Isn't this the 'so is the demon in the room with us right now' kid?
yes and you already knew that, are you slow or something?
@@ocoolwowWell we know for sure you are
@@ocoolwow edgy pfp
Not weighing for a mistrial 11:20 after that would be hilarious wtf else would be the point of enticing the judge like that💀
That looks like the same judge as the Darrel brooks case wtf
your pc notifications had me trippin
I really hope you do Sarah Boones case..the minute you said dunce cap i thought the same..time out chair
24:49 this is why in a disagreement online, if the other commentor can't be convinced in only 1 reply, it just aint worth your time. You get your origional comment, and 1 reply. If they still can't read after that, then just leave the replies. Your mental health will thank you.
An example of why there are so many echo chambers on the internet.
@@duewhat9815 It ain't my responsibility to educate every idiot that comes into my replies with some rage bait
@@tobi_talks_2_much Calm down bud, just because something upsets you doesn't make it rage bait.
@@duewhat9815 1, never said you were the idiot with the rage bait, 2, you are right, I didn't mean to make it seem like I was accusing YOU personally of rage bait.
The exchange above me is BEYOND ironic
are these clips old on this channel? Cause I know the original video hes watching is a year old
This one is an old one for sure. Charlie’s background and his room look very different than it has for a bit.
i went to school in oklahoma we learned about that terry guy in oklahoma history class the hole story is kinda crazy
It still drives me nuts that she was fired/told to step down after dealing with this bs.
The judge was stood down?
@Fruitdrink2000 yup. I forgot this judges name but she was fired/told to step down cause she was "unkind"
@@victorias3280 She lied though. No one threatened her children. She was told that it's weird that when their children were mentioned it passed by her without notice, but if her kids were brought up she would and would have put an end to it. And look, he was totally right, and not only that she then lied and said he was making threats towards HER children. The judge was fired/resigned for this - she's not fit to sit as a judge.
Omg, i forgot about the Alex Jones Lawyers.. LOL
When the teacher has had enough
She should have been dis-barred. A fine so what.
Do you know why it was the Judge who had to stepp down?
After he was disrespectfull?
I get his point if his children were brought up. And the moment he shifts the idea to her kids, she goes off the rails. Clearly she didn't like her kids being referenced which is the EXACT POINT he was making about his kids. It should be off limits.
That said, that whole defense team was terrible and society is lucky the shooter didn't get to appeal for inadequate counsel. Seriously, that behavior can get you a mistrial or appeal based on the defense not doing their job. Lawyers always say the hardest job to do is to defend someone you know is guilty. And in the case of suspects like this you really want to lose your case, but you have to give your best fight to save him to ensure you don't get slapped with inadequate counsel.
She’s pretty af
I love her
The most unprofessional group of attorneys I’ve seen in a good long while.
You don't go there "do the bare minimum". Being a successful lawyer isn't just about winning. This case, although unwinnable, offers the chance of exposure. The lawyer giving the middle finger has ruined whatever was likely left of a horrible career though. The lawyers out there who didn't desperately need a last chance, or a big push up though are off lawyering to a higher standard.
Who knows, maybe Trump will bail out the middle finger one, by offering her a position for which he won 't pay...
13:04 I swear she’s got something inappropriate going on with that client.
This is the same judge who put up with Darrell Brooks when he represented himself and it was a total shitshow. She was absolutely professional and way more patient than any other judge I have ever seen.
Not the same judge at all not even in the same state lmfao what?
As someone from Oklahoma i can confirm we have some fucked up people.
As for your argument with that other person, ya the judge was also out of line. Not in a huge way but regardless of how annoying and unprofessional the others are being, she's got to keep her emotions out of her decisions, which she didnt do.
Ya, it makes good viewing and the lawyers in this are a bunch of clowns but her freaking out about a mention of her kids was unprofessional, especially since it was the exact same card that the clown lawyer was using. It made no sense for her to then immediately use it, whilst denouncing him for doing so.
What a LOSER. This judge is awesome 😎
I wonder if its reason for an appeal..
It’s a evil world we live in
I think the judge would want to avoid holding a defense attorney in contempt not just because it prolongs the trial, but it also gives the defense an argument to make for an appeal.
To be fair though, I did think the judge was overreacting to the comment about her children - the guy wasn't "threatening" her children, he was just saying to her that if *her* children were mentioned by someone during trial, she would be angry too. He didn't specifically say anything about her children, he was just making a comparison.
And she was angry just by that mention of her children lol so he was right about that.
Yeah nah I’m sorry she was literally just proving his point and seemed to be fed up with whatever was going on. She ignored his whole point which is bullshit because she had a really important job which requires listening. She fucked up.
Defense lawyers are always scummy af just saying. Prosecution tho are just as shitty just the other way. Whole court system sucks
Not really, plenty of people get charged with crimes they didn't commit. Any non public defender lawyer who takes a school shooter case is definitely scummy though
@@CAVEMANsean i can see both points here. There are plenty of good lawyers, even defense lawyers who want to go to back for the wrongfully accused. But what @noddingout is saying also has truth to it. There are plenty of lawyers who happily represent scumbags, not just for money, but they simply seem to not care about what their client has done.
One of my college professors was a retired judge and former attorney. He loved to brag about the cases he won, defending absolute monsters. They did things i dont even feel comfortable writing here. He'd have the proudest dmile on his face too as he'd describe what the person did and how he got them off.
@@m00shminki88 I'm an attorney, I was a criminal defense attorney for several years in NY in the earliest days of my career. I even defended a murder case. I will tell you flat out that there are some very honorable and respectable attorneys, and there are some real gremlins. Some prosecutors care, others act like they are trying to make a conviction quota. I tried to be the good defense attorney you want to be, but there's a weird thing that happens when you can't sleep at night after a big win, or, more terrifyingly from a career perspective, realize you feel relieved that you lost. I had a boss that saw everything as a war. Us vs them. Seeing their side or suggesting we take a plea deal for an obviously guilty client had me on multiple occasions accused of some sort of treason.
I know there are some white knights on both sides that want justice to prevail and understand that that is the point of our combative system, but so many attorneys take it too far. And its hard, its really hard. The biggest hurdle is that you have someone's life in your hands as a defense attorney. And most of the time, you think, I hope maybe this one's innocent because more often than not, you don't really know, and that's the scary part. That's the part that'll make you throw up every day at the courthouse before trial trying to figure out if what youre doing is trying to save a life being wronged or just make things worse for people who have been.
I don't practice criminal law anymore. I don't think I had the headspace for it. I will always be amazed by those that do and not only keep their sanity, but their moral compass intact.
@@juter1122 i never said anything about lawyers unaliving. Where'd that even come from?
The best way i heard it put from a defense lawyer is even if they did the crime, the defense lawyer is there to make sure they get a fair sentence
i dont understand how you can even defend a school shooter, like even if you say "its their job" like if i worked at like idk a fucking pizza place for example, and i was told to shit in a pizza because thats what they ordered and its my job, i think i would quit instead, and this is a little worse than that as you would imagine
this guys saul poopman
"jail isnt Oblivion" lmfao
See I knew us Oklahomans had to have something that we were the best at! ✊
He didn't say anything about her children though. He said that people were talking about his children, and then made the point that if what those other people had said, had been about the Judge's kids, she would have dropped the hammer on them. While, at least in their minds, she didn't seem to care at all that someone might have said something about someone else's kids.
She literally proved his point. He said "your children" and she took it out of context and shat all over the dude.
"deadeye" was not a not good name to come up as a new sub during a school shooter case
I think we can all agree that the judge is hot a/f though
Considering the judge in question seems to have lost her job because of this (resigned at least), I have to assume the defences plan was to infuriate her to the point her responses could be considered emotional, or that she was somehow biased towards the prosecution.
crazy how youtube lets you say school shooter and not pedophile ( no hate to charlie jus pointing it out)
Sorry but the judge is wrong here! I don't think Charlie understands the context- BUT the Defense was wrong when they did the middle finger thing
This is a massive reach, but maybe the defense was intentionally acting up so that the judge would be in no mood to give any leniency during sentencing lol. Maybe in reality they hated the kid as much as the rest of us and were trying to screw him over as much as possible… or they’re just class A idiots, either one Lol
I've seen toddlers behave more respecfully in court, do you really think these trained professionals had something in their mind other than-
you know what scratch that, do you really think they had something in their mind?
Off topic asf but that judge is gorgeous, she has such a nice facial structure and her makeup is so nice like damn girl
yes
Life is hard and unfair when you see Beauty and brains but we keep going
This is the result of publicizing Trump’s looney lawyers
Am an attorney, judge was not out of line. These attorneys will have to go be in front of this judge again, and now every single one of that attorney’s defendants will be at a disadvantage due to his dumb dumb behavior
But no one threatened the judges children
7:35 although i dont support the defense the point he made is oddly sound he said if they were talking about your kids you'd notice and he immediately gets thrown out for bringing up and threatining her kids(which he never threatened in any way) which is the EXACT POINT he was making that it only wasnt taken seriously because i didnt involve the judge
The guy said if they were talking about you’re kids then you’d hear it and then it seemed like she tried to act like he talked about her kids 😂
finally someone with brains lol
The defense team is terrible, but yeah the judge was wrong in saying that they brought up her kids.
I think they got caught up in the defense teams mental gymnastics
@@Kris-vb9uz definitely that’s their job so I get it tho
@@GodLRCN thank you I thought I was listening wrong at first 😂🙏
She kinda proved his point lol
Smash next question
Wow ❤ this judge looks better than My prom date ? Can someone explain that ?
She looks like someone you would see dancing at a club or playing volleyball on the beach ⛱️ jogging in a bikini.....
Not dealing with courtrooms handing down sentences,
Her husband is a lucky man.....
Even in MOVIES I've never seen a judge this hot 🔥
why the judge kinda...
That judge is really cute
The fat lawyer actually didn’t “threaten the Judge’s children” - he was attempting to use her kids as an example of “how would you feel if - - “ and was cut off before he could finish his point. There’s no question that the Defense team acted like unprofessional clowns, but on this specific point, if you re-watch that portion of the clip, she did misinterpret and prematurely overreact to his comment.
yea i was so confused by this. i literally rewinded looking for where he was out of line. it’s pretty understandable to ask “how would you feel if it happened to you?” i feel like she was just losing patience and just the words “your kids” made her blow up. i understand why tho lol the defense was acting crazy for a while.
Which breaks a lot of rules. How do people not know this.
honestly think the judge did over react to the "threat" to her kids, the lawyer said this is what im experiencing, would you be ok experiencing that? its not really a threat so much as an attempt to solicit empathy, and scummy as it is given the circumstances, if his kids were brought into this and actually threatened in some way then that is fucked up. he didnt threaten her kids as far as i can see though, he was however very childish and shitty generally, and as such i understand why the judge got heated. but he didnt threaten to hurt her kids from what i can see here