twelve o'clock high : S2E17 The Slaughter Pen
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Twelve O'Clock High is an American drama series set in World War II. This TV series originally broadcast on ABC-TV for two-and-one-half TV seasons from September 18, 1964, through January 13, 1967; was based on the motion picture Twelve O'Clock High (1949).
I was in grade school when this series aired. Model airplanes by Revell and Aurora were very popular with all the boys on my street.
I made 100s of model planes back then too.
Some sniffed more glue than others.😉
Monogram too. I remember! Built tons of 'em! B-17s. Zeros. Wildcats. Avengers. Dauntless. Tri Fokker. Camel. Wright Brothers!
Same for me , still build models
Back in 65, this was my favorite show, but i didn't have the option to ff through the love sheens, today i do.
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I just went through the guest stars. Juliet Mills, John Van Dreelen, Michael Rennie and Harry Guardino. This better be good.
You'll be disappointed, then. As good as the cast are, this is an exercise in putting lipstick on a pig.
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Amazing how much the ETO looks like Southern California. :)
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🙄 I see nothing,I know nothing!
The front of the mansions is the same one that was used in the Beverly hillbillies
LOL. Yes most of what we see in shows and the world looks like So. CA,!
@@donmcmannamy3409 That what I was just thinking. :-)
The fact they use actual combat footage is amazing
Michael Rennie..."the day the earth stood still"...1954
1951 - www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/reference
Klaatu barada nikto.
@Maria Kelly Gort don't mess around.
I was 13 in 1965. Back then, 12 o'clock High was my favorite show next to Combat. At the time, I never noticed the historical inaccuracies. Just loved the show. This particular episode is somewhat corny with the Bismark coming to attack the destroyers shelling the German radar installation. Even the P-51 changes from an A model to a D model. Nevertheless, Just seeing footage of B-17s, Mustangs, P-38s, Me-109s and FW 190s makes it worthwhile to watch.
Well put! The WW2 pilots that I knew, loved the show..
These shows and sea hunt also.
Same when I was a kid, Vic Morrow was a god and B17s ruled the skys.
Every time i see a woman in the guest stars, i get ready to ff through the love sheens.
Same here. Also loved The Gallant Men. All great shows!
I just watched Sink the Bismark a couple of days ago!!!
Great to see Sir Michael Rennie in this episode but, where was Gort?😎
Just when did he become Sir Michael Rennie?
The Kraut radar station sounds like the bridge on Star Trek.
And a submarine
More like the bridge on the Sea View in the TV show Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
or voyage to the bottom of the sea predating star trek
Not only was the loss of Robert Lansing a huge blow to this program, the scripts went downhill as well.
Writers are as troublesome as Actors
Network meddling at its worst. It was bad enough that Lansing was hard to work with, but the suits at ABC decided to retool the show to appeal to a younger demographic by moving the show to Monday evenings and getting a younger-looking cast.
That ruined the whole point of the show. It was supposed to center on the demands of being in a leadership position making decisions that would be difficult and possibly fatal for those carrying them out and the psychological effects of war on the men who served under them.
Mike Stidham
Excellent review of the issue! That's what I've found studying vintage television materials in college classes.
From what has appeared in various texts the original format was found to either alienate an expected audience or simply not draw the great masses of the "general audience".
ABC did want to keep the show and did what it thought might work but as a trade newspaper put it, "(ABC)did all it could to (work over) the show, but obviously producer Quinn Martin did something wrong."
Not my assessment but one often stated in vintage texts.
It's not even an original plot. This is a straight lift from the real life British raid on the Bruneval radar station.
As a Robert Lansing fan, I missed the lack of gravitas after he exited the series. It may have been a contract dispute. I haven't read the book, but some have said that it follows the plotline. With his chiseled face, deep voice and unique control of it, Lansing was almost Shakespearean in this series. I'll always remember him by this show and his episode as an astronaut in the Twilight Zone.
Nice shot of the Bismarck (from the movie "Sink The Bismarck".
On the explosion of the German ship. It's stock footage from the film "Sink the Bismarck". The boat exploding was also used as the Hood blowing up.
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Shit! I didn't kno the 918 sank the hms hood and the Bismarck
I thought that one guy left earth in a UFO lol!
Scenes from "Sink the Bismarck".
Michael Rennie....Ipto Klatu or whatever from 50s sci fi, the day the earth stood still.
Yep, kind'a sad that he had to take roles like these to stay employed, eh?
@@russg1801 Would you please shut up?
Klaatu barada nikto.
At 2:36 that damn P-47 Jug just shot down ANOTHER B-17! That guy gets at least one kill every week.
And in a stolen US plane...
I wonder if the director is the great actor Robert Douglas whom among other great performances was the nemesis of Errol Flynn's 1948 classic " The Adventure of Don Juan".
Yes, I believe it is. IMDB lists him with 67 acting credits and directing one or more episodes in 40 different TV series, including 16 episodes of TOH.
My show, as a kid . . . as a kid was Lacy & Walt Disney . . . then, Combat came along. As I matured I brcame a Young Marine, however, upon High School graduation . . . I enlisted in the Air Force. Got dropped, for a 'tour of duty,' in Minot, North Dakota. COLD . . .
I think the sister was on a show about an English nanny.
Yes she was.
Sister of Hayley Mills, daughter of John Mills.
The show was called “Nanny and the Professor “.
@@juanmonge8 I love it.
Seeing the Forts bombing ships puts me in mind of Billy Mitchell proving the idea of air power as a means to fight a war. In 1921 he and his aviators conducted a series of bombing tests against several target ships, including the heavily armored German dreadnought Ostfriesland, which they sank with a series of 1,000- and 2,000-pound bombs dropped from Martin and Handley-Page bombers. The tests and results were controversial, but they proved that aircraft could sink great warships. The navy was not grateful for this lesson. Mitchell became a celebrity proponent of airpower, continually scolding the army and navy for failing to back the creation of an independent air force and to buy modern aircraft.
The Army wasn't as thrilled either, you forgot to mention they busted him for it. Apparently Douglas MacArthur was the only no vote, and the guys who testified for him were literally the WW2 leadership of the USAAF in Europe. From Hap Arnold, to Tooey Spaatz, to Ira Eaker, and even Robin Olds pop, Robert. Even La Guardia got in on it.
The Japanese picked that up . . .and Pearl Harbor evolved ! 😱
@@TEGRULZ It took four hours. The ship was not moving and the airspace around the ship was uncontested. But the concept of the Dive Bomber came out of it. He stood alone and changed the course of history.
Eh ... they left the water tight doors on those ships open ...
The thing with Mitchell and the other Air Power Advocates of the '20's and '30's was that they were wrong. THEY thought that Air Power *_ALONE_* could win the war. We'd bomb their cities and the enemy would surrender. Nothing could have been further from the truth.
It wasn't that Air Power wasn't important - it was - it was just that it wasn't going to win the war by itself the way the Air Power Advocates said it would.
That was not what got Mitchell in trouble though. What got him in trouble was saying that his superiors were _"Treasonable"_ for getting the men killed that died in some of the Air Ship and Aircraft Accidents.
Now - a lot of that was true - but ... you are not allowed in the military to say things like that about your superiors. That is called Insubordination - which IS what Mitchell did. He could not have been any more guilty of what he was charged with.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Mitchell#Court-martial
So - where Mitchell really was a hero and the thing he really did sacrifice his career for - was an attempt to have the senior leadership held responsible for the people they got killed. Here - getting courtmartialed - was one of the best ways to draw attention to this - though I'd not say he was that calculating. He was just pissed off about all the people they were getting killed.
As to the Air Power Advocates ... well ... the Bomber Mafia that ran our air service before WWII - with their attacks on anything like drop tanks that might imply that the Bomber Wouldn't Always Get Through ... got a lot more people killed when those bombers didn't have fighter escorts the way they needed them.
And - of course - Air Power has NEVER won a war all by itself. Even during the Gulf War - when people thought they were going to wipe out the Iraqi Army - after a while ... the intelligence people realized that our pilots had reported destroying more tanks than the Iraqi's had ...
Post WWII - it was still going on - with the Air Force claiming we didn't need Aircraft Carriers any more. They also took all the fixed wing aircraft from the Army - leaving them with only helicopters (which is whey the Air Force has the A-10) The Air Force doesn't want the A-10 - but - they don't want to let the Army have it either - so they were stuck with it.
[shrug]
This can all pretty much be written off as Interservice Rivalry. There's only so much money to go around and they all want as much of it as they can get ...
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The P 51 was introduced in episode six, season two...with warren Oates. How come Ther is no longer P 51 support in these later episodes?
Dave C didn’t the colonel have one in the color episode
The P51s are there, just not in episodes where they might provide a proverbial easy out in the script.
A WW2 German radar station has the "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" SeaView active sonar?
Exactly what I was thinking. I was waiting for a giant squid to attack!
Fox audio vaults.
Right I was waiting on Admiral Nelson to come waltzing in!
Joe is flying a Mustang with a bubble cockpit but the long view is an earlier model.
Klaatu is in this episode!
John Van Dreelen gets the best line. "I'm only a general, not an oracle". Juliet Mills never looked or sounded more beautiful in black and white. Michael Rennie at his most British. This whole scenario is nonsense. There were no American land forays into northern Europe until D-Day. Somewhat disappointing. You can either follow history or try to rewrite it.
Umm Dunkirk and Norway ring a bell. Narvik was a Commando raid while Dunkirk was a British.Canadian "raid". But remember this is Hollywood
You're right, of course. It was a crime to squander a first-rate cast on a flimsy script like this. And the naval stock footage was used ineptly ... battleship guns representing destroyers. (Of course, I didn't notice this as a kid in 1966 -- I just naturally assumed that southern England and north Germany both looked like arid, scrubby southern California.)
@@reichensperger1847 I wish my wife would say that 😉. And yes, I was also watching Combat, VTTBOTS and my short-lived favorite,The Invaders (with Roy Thinnes) during the sixties. The series that I most associate with your description is MASH.
Appreciate your salute to the cast especially Miss Mills. Yes, we're getting pulp fiction here with this one. All I can do to call a witness/witnesses for the
defense is to call those 1940s B17 movies to the witness stand (pre-45s). First witness: Air Force (Warners).
Anyone notice at 1:52, the B-17 formation, they had no top turrets, belly turrets or rear MGs?
Where's Andrew Duggan been lately?
General Pritchard needed some time on camera.
Harry Gardino wusste im Der filme nommen "Der bridge at Ramagen"
Preposterous premises. Makes me laugh.
Sonar pings at a radar site?
From the Fox audio vault.
That was one of the worst commando raids on a radar station ever filmed; If you can call a bunch of too old and out of shape men commandos.
Julliet Mills. What a honey!
Yes!
My god..just when you thought you'd seen the worst script in the series, this turkey comes along!
One of the best episodes of this finde show. Just had it found betteer if the " GERMANS "" had talked German as isn COMBAGT or in GARRISON GORILLAS.
The General (20:40 ) was Albert Pauslen who had played several times THE GERMAN in those shows.
Paulesen, a native of Ecuador was very well in German as well llike his ancerstors moviing to South America.
The P-38's now have the sound of jet engines as they fly past....
You can't be serious. The turbo-superchargers made a high pitched noise. Jet engines? SMH...
@@shimshonbendan8730 Why don't you listen closely when they fly past, it's not the turbos.
A P51A is shown in flight, but then the close up is a P51D model!
"Klatuu Nikto Barada"
Colonel Gallagher avoids direct eye contact when getting reprimanded or taking orders for another assignment. He reminds me of Bowzer, my old beagle, wtf's wrong with him?
It keeps his leash short.
Obviously, your Bowzer is very sensitive to your criticism of him...that's what is wrong with him.
TRES Heavy
i lived in germany....do you know how many cities are called hamburg and only a native speaker can tell them apart?
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No Frankfurt?
Still no blackout :). Somehow I don't think the US had special forces then.........
+Sam F : Military organizations throughout history have always had "special forces". Modern government administrations and their PC bull scap of today aren't smart enough OR Don't Care about protecting many of these groups. Serious Leaders back then had enough common sense to keep them SECRET.
+pjzdreamz ever heard of irony ??
If these were serious leaders, why did they discuss the mission in the presence of the female civilian. But I get your point and this is only a tv show. They wanted to create some drama and conflict.
What was the name of the special force skiers that fought in northern Italy?
Know Very Little Not Till The 60’s Till We Got Special Forces! Green Berets’ ! Etc.
The name Mustang for the P-51 did come from the RAF , when they equipped it with Rolls Royce Merlin engine . Check your aviation history . North American Aviation . History of the P-51 . Thank you .b
The P51 was named Mustang by the British from day one. It was originally built for them. It was the Mustang I (Mustang A) with the Allison V12 and the Mustang III (Mustang B/C) with the Merlin. The P51D was built with licensed versions of the Merlin by Packard.
Does anyone know how often those gunners in real life would have accidental hit the others in their formation. Seems like it would have been something that happened more often then this TV show shows
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What lovely American handwriting the English girl had. The producers really weren't into any kind of accuracy !
Juliet Mills is still alive in 2023!
The plot was silly. B17s could not accurately bomb ships and bomber pilots weren’t trained to fly P51’s. The procedures and flight characteristics are quite different.
Lower level it could be done though, is just high risk because of the terrific defense barrage ships can put up
Kommando Schule mit Otto Skorzeny
that is kirkabee mansion aks the Beverley hillbillies
Most movie directors back in 64 when this film was produced did not bother getting after action reports to put a little realism into the show they went by the news paper reports which were all propaganda to get americans to support the war,then they would request unclassified gun camera video w/o knowing what they were seeing in the video or the circumstances that took place at the time of the show
And this was TV, where they used the same stock footage in every episode to save money.
British named the p51 Der Mustang
Good episode. Still I don't get why directors use improper sequences. None worse than every episode uses the P-47 shooting and it hits our airport raft and kills our guys!? WTF?!
The P47 had 4 guns in each wing. Probably a 51 wouldn't you think?
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Ramrod is Joseph Gallager...even the Krauts know that!
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Would they be discussing mission timing in front of civilian? Whatever
A pretty good episode except for the trite ending of Deel - the redemption by death bit.
With you on this one.
Someone needs to tell those P51D pilots that the B17's are on THEIR side.😂
Der deutschers weisst als Joseph Gallagher ist "Ramrod".
Had they simply arranged that 617 Squadron RAF with their SABS bombsite and 10,000 lb. "Tallboys" attacked the radar site, all of the other plans would have been pointless. Those tiny USAAF bombs would have been pretty useless in terms of sinking a KM battleship. Tee-Hee!
Attack mit Flak!
From the very beginning this is a non-historical mess. Unlike seen here, the German Army had no radar and were not involved in Flak/anti-aircraft units. The Luftwaffe controlled anything to do with air defense measures.
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Der blimps ob radar..
Why would British citizen spy on their own country ?
I can see why this did not last.
Excellent dryer sheets with the understanding of front yard badminton and a very wet rain storm for cactus!?
Oops sorry, for Benji!
Actually what finished off the series, which had OK but not great ratings, was the switch to color for season 3. Long before computer graphics, every frame of the combat footage used had to be colored by hand, which became prohibitively expensive, and the series was canceled halfway through that season (only 17 episodes). Nowadays it would have been relatively cheap to colorize the combat footage. Given how many shows were in a regular season back then, there are about as many episodes of this series made as there were of the original "Star Trek". Speaking of ST, Bill Shatner and many other future stars (like Burt Reynolds and Bruce Dern) had guest spots in this one.
Those of us "invested" in the show either as staunch and forgiving fans or as crabby observers don't represent a large enough audience either way.
What was required of EVERY show back then was a minimum 30 per cent of tens of millions of TV viewers and households. Again, 10s of millions of viewers who according to statistics were far more attracted to domestic and conventional TV fare.
Specialized shows that "lasted" awhile were rare. Love this series or hate it, it had only so much allotted time from the Zeitgeist. Some of us thankfully place a value on it, warts and all.
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omg this is so bad to look at... It becomes like star wars more and more and less logic in terms of ww2 history. just getting more and more unbelievable..man B17s had a different rolen and those ships were mostly battleships..I know groundfighting is not what this show was about, but dammit, get some advice from COMBAT which did good scenes for the time..
The english commando sgt leading the raid was killed in an episode of Combat.
Yes, the series is offering pulp fiction and a number of factors were "credited" for this, among them the economic demand to draw a mass audience not so much a specialized collection of fans.
If I were the show's lawyer I'd call to witness stand all those B17 and related bomber movies of the 1940s (pre-46), especially Warner Brothers AIR FORCE.
Extra Note: Gallegher in P51 more often is said to be related to budget....this was cheaper to stage....
13:19 haha only 5th grader write in such a german. its so primitive. Grüße
seegurke93 - ...und deine englisch ebenfalls ;-) hey, it's not a language lesson it's a tv series... actually, that they quite often use spoken and written german (other languages too) in this series surprised me... most tv-series of the time didn't bother...
You clowns lost WWII. Ha ha.
In the 1960's I enjoyed this series on B&W TV. These days the unbelievable story plots are absolute twaddle!
Sadly, not a patch on the original 1949 movie. A typical American hijacking of something good into something pathetic when it could have been so much better but the the Yanks never know when enough is enough!.
And then of course there's all that stinking smoking!
I wach this sows just to remember that somuere I'll n time real man were in charge not this bafoon we got today
This show had great drama but it also had inaccurate things like bomber groups had to wear oxygen masks on missions. in almost all of the scenes, bombers crews aren't wearing masks. sometimes also they show other airplanes as friendly ones when they should be german. it's just alot of the same footage in every show.
I was so glad when they brought out the B17g with the chin turret and armoured head rest..I hate driving a car without a headrest never mind a B17.