Man United Scrape Through & Nottingham Forest's VAR Vendetta | Ep 110
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- 00:00 - Intro
00:42 - Coventry v Man U
12:08 - Man City v Chelsea /Pep’s Post Match Rant
16:02 - Is the modern game MORE intense?
22:00 - Man City v Chelsea continued…
23:40 - Expected goals (xG) Debate
27:30 - Good Results for Arsenal & Liverpool
29:52 - THAT Trent Goal/Trent in England squad
32:40 - Aston Villa v Bournemouth
34:34 - Unai Emery Manager of The Year?
36:50 - Everton v Nottingham Forest
Is there any way Erik Ten Hag will still be Manchester United manager next season? Were Nottingham Forest right to make their statement criticising the officials after losing to Everton? Where does Unai Emery sit in the race to be named manager of the season?
Gary, Alan and Micah also debate whether the intensity of football matches is higher now than decades ago, as the argument around the football schedule continues. - Спорт
Forest are 100% within their rights to complain about PGMOL. They’ve had some shockers this season. I’m not a Forest fan, but I noticed they had 3 weeks in a row where they were denied clear penalties imo, which is why they hired Clattenburg…to try and highlight the poor decisions they were getting! But it seems like that’s antagonised the officials, and now it’s even worse for them!
That’s in essence the problem of refereeing in the prem - they let petty disputes and pride, as well as conflicts of interest with regards to going to the UAE midweek to referee games there, interfere with their professionalism
Its called corruption
@@judtindouglas9051 which is exactly what us fans have been saying for a while now, now a club has actually come out and implied it as well
I am totally disappointed with Alan's comment and to think both Micah and Garry accepted is shameful. They are behaving like ostriches. To hide behind professionalism and argue that they should be quiet and shut up is appalling to say the least.
The PGMOL should be called out in what ever term. Football is business and no refereeing decisions especially in the time of VAR should go against a team in that way
@@niiadjeisowah621ALL of the media is miraculous on the same page on this one, for some reason…makes you wonder!
Man Utd might be pretty shocking at times but between the Coventry game and the Liverpool game they've provided some good FA Cup entertainment!
Everyone forgets Wigan wining it during the time city where cheating Bradford battered Chelsea when they where good this isn’t even a. Good Utd team either it’s the cup isn’t that the magic of it if Coventry started how the ended they would have battered us but they didn’t we also could have had a pen aswel so wouldn’t have even gone to pens these things just happen and it’s the cup both teams actually fighting for something
How the hell has Al never swore on live TV 😂
I think that every time I see him on the telly now, following this pod. Surely only a matter of time. 😅
I've also thought that..maybe someone in production is constantly reminding him through his earphones not to swear 😂🤬
Poor Micah. Like arguing with your parents who can't stop saying "Back in my day!" for half of this podcast haha. How is XG so hard to comprehend!!?!?!
Honestly it's so frustrating, they sound like dinosaurs 🙄
It's not that they don't understand it. It's just that you don't need to see xg to know who should have won the game.
XG just provides stats to back up an old fashioned 'eye test'. It's obvious to most people which team should have won without xg.
(I actually like xg tbh)
Classic basketball "Eye test vs analytics".
@@scipioafrikanus9511 XG is actually more preferable for forward not team in general imo. Because it shows us how good and clinical those players converting chances into a goal. We know we have conversion rate but Xg is actually helping us for other reason.
@@scipioafrikanus9511 Exactly, people often look at it as stats vs eye test when in reality stats just back up what you see in the game
Shearer and Linekar are starting to look like the grandfathers of english football, legends!
Finally! Micah stands up for the modern game against the "in my day" mob. Love it, and I'm not even sure which side of the debate I'm finally on.
No idea what Lineker is talking about. He barely ever left the penalty box! The reason he never got booked is because he never got anywhere near making a tackle - because he did zero defensive work. He'd be running an extra 2-3km a game in a Klopp or Pep team.
It wad tougher back in their day apparently. Just ignore the fact they had the whole summer off, could get drunk 3 times a week and were allowed to physically out on 2 stone of weight in the summer and it didn't impact anything. So tough!!!! The standard were non existent back then, Lineker and his mob never touched a weight in their life. Just had a bath and played. 5os in the week and see you Friday.
@@funkymoped537Look at that Jackson in the Chelsea city game he spent 80% of the game walking.
@@Do27gg You think Jackson runs more than Alan smith did for Leeds, clearly you didn't watch football back then.
@@VillaBoys123 Yes the standard was shit, that's why Villas European triumphs mean jack shit right?
Chelsea not being awarded penalty for Grealish handball.
Micah? Gary? Why not talk about the decision City have been getting in their favour throughout the season
It was a lot like the penalty given in last year's FA cup final too!
Agree but then the same handball was given in the united game. These pundits will never actually speak about the poor referees because they are all mates. Its piss poor effort from them
@@godfreemorals no consistance at all its a joke no one knows what handball is anymore.
Same happened in the United game. One on wan bissaka that was given and one against Thomas that wasn't given. So inconsistent
They are either directly or indirectly employed by the Prem, this is why all the big pundits chose to not ask serious questions of the officiating this season
I can't entertain the idea of Trent not going to the Euros. I'm not even a Liverpool fan. The guy is one of the most talented footballers in England.
Forest fan here. Something has to be done about the awful standard of officials. They are not operating anywhere near the standard of what they need to be in a league as big as the premier league. Clubs have to call out the PGMOL because at the minute they have no punishment for making huge mistakes again and again. With that being said I don’t know why forest included the “Luton fan” in their statement? People should be talking about the PGMOL instead forest have drawn attention to themselves 🤷♂️
We were all supporting Coventry yesterday 💔
Shocks me that 🙄
They got very lucky but just wasn't enough. Probably would've been a tougher final for city as well!
Even as a United fan, I felt so bad for Coventry and it's fans. We were awful and they were brilliant.
These 3 are as corrupt as PGMOL-THESE 3 are just closing ranks and not talking about the blatent corruption that is ruining the game. FOREST were right to speak out-its disgraceful and obvious that theres brown envelopes being exchanged. SAME with the games that saw Coventry robbed with another bent VAR decision and the penalty not given for Chelsea which was clearly hand-ball. NO CO-INCIDENEC THAT MAN CITY AND MAN UTD WERE GIVEN THOSE DECISIONS-ITS TOTALLY BENT.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn The fact that they struggled to win against to a lower paid 2nd division team makes it look awful. The FA Cup football is different to the PL where the underdogs all of a sudden run, jump and smash like super heroes. We all want them to succeed but FA football is not Marvel's fantasy world and Arsenal weren't the villains. Their spoiled fans are
Loving the podcast lads!
I believe xG was originally an algorithm used for betting where it makes more sense. If you have to put your money on one side, it's better to put it on the team with the higher xG or perhaps even more so when trying to predict a specific score. It's usefulness in the game itself is debatable, especially for a game you're actually watching. If you're scanning the results of games you didn't catch live, it's perhaps a useful statistic to assess the quality of chances created...but we can also infer that from possession+shots+shots on target...
This reminded me of progressive conversations with stubborn Grandparents! Love the podcast guys keep it up!
Time to get OPTA in for an interview to explain xG, etc! 👍
Really interesting insight from Micah and Gary and really good of them to get Victor Meldrew on as well for his take on the modern game and XG 😂
Forest signing Clattenburg is definitely working against them. Clear and obvious 😊
As so it should. Barca doing the same has led them into a corruption scandal about influencing referees.
This tactic (hiring ex ref) has been employed by a chairman who has been found guilty of match fixing.
It's UNDENIABLE that the game is far more athletic and intense than it used to. No doubt about it. Because when the technical level reached a certain point, it's extremely hard to get even higher. So then athleticism is what you improve. Nowadays players are much faster. Stronger. They run much much more. And yes, we might have reached a point where technical ability has gone down from like 20-25 years ago, but maybe that's just the time to find the balance and get the technique back up. But it's undeniable. In the 70s/80s, football players were running about 7-8km/game. Nowadays it's about 11.
And bringing in how the game was harder in the contacts before has nothing to do with it. Taking a hit is NOT the same has 90 minutes of constant effort. This doesn't have the same consequences, and the starting subject is impacted by the 90-minute efforts, not just a hit in a game.
Why is it embarrassing to call out corruption??
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Just because something doesn’t go your way doesn’t mean it is corruption. With all the scrutiny on football and referees yet no evidence ever found of bribing English officials. I assume you are one of those people that think the moon landings are faked
It’s not
if they did that statement without saying about the var being a Luton fan it would be fine
@@fulleylonely1138 Michael Oliver once said that he couldn't officiate Newcastle games during relegation crunch time due to a conflict of interest and potential of bias, and yet now its a non issue for the PGMOL. we can't keep acting like these club statements are bigger problems than the PGMOL.
The whole reaction to this from the FA and the media has been so predictably and disappointingly English. 'How dare you step out of line'.
Why are so many convinced that there can be not even unconscious bias in our game. Even the PGMOL don’t really believe that otherwise why would they ask refs to declare their allegiances when they join the register. Attwell should not have been on VAR and the fact that he acted so incompetently at best and corruptly at worst threw up this furore. If he had done his job even close to properly no one would be questioning anything.
Every expert moans about VAR , but when a team speaks out about it they are condemned, top level hypocrisy
it is what was said , in the statement. that was wrong, accusations ect. and then threats of action.
@@tonyrichardson2637 There's nothing wrong with threats of action lol... The accusation wasn't that the ref had cheated, it was them bringing up a clear conflict of interest and being ignored before the game (and then also getting screwed by the decisions during it). If people take that as embarrassing they should look themselves hard into a mirror...
@@tonyrichardson2637 yeah, because holding overlords to account just isn't the English way, is it? Shame on Nottingham Forest for stepping out of line.
@@tonyrichardson2637 yes because these pundits have never called anyone corrupt , check when PSG got the pen against newcastle
love the pod, best wishes from america!
Loving all the bitter fans against city in these comments. Your comments are really making a difference to city’s season, good job guys keep going 🤣👍🏽
Some bedtime reading for Gary and Al.
Expected goals: the story of how data conquered football and changed the game forever by Rory Smith.
An excellent football book for those of us that like to go into too much detail 🤓
'they don't want to travel up from London anymore' - Alan Shearer :) PUSB
Brilliant episode guys, loved the debate about XG.
If Pool lose by 3 points or less, they should take their case to court. Whether that's the PGMOL or the FA. If Forest go down, press repeat.
I think 90% of fans are with forest on this VAR shitshow, It’s so clear that the PGMOL/Premier League have mentioned something to media - Sky in particular - to not highlight appalling refereeing. Probably under the guise of anti bullying or something.
That was one of the best games ive watched as a neutral in a long time. Absolutely gutted for Coventry, Man Utd not deserving to be finalists based on that performance
Being 3-0 in the first place isn’t easy either. But yeah considering it was a championship team even me as a Utd fan I half wished we lost on pens. Bcs it was embarrassing whether we won or not
That's true its not easy to do, but they threw that lead away so easily, could not believe what I was seeing.
I stand with Micah on the intensity debate. I've watched football since the early 80s, and I've seen it evolve massively over the 4 decades I've been a football fan.
This whole line of reasoning that it was equally as intense due to bad pitches, worse diets, drinking culture, not having the advantages of sports science, etc, etc, just backs up Micah's argument. They basically admitted Micah was right but spun it in a way that suggests those excuses (reasons) somehow nullify any argument about today's game.
I loved how Alan acted like when he was playing it was like he played in Gary's era when in reality he was playing on pristine pitches (with a few exceptions when the weather was really bad), had access to sports technology/science (to a lesser degree than today, obviously) you're not THAT old, Alan ❤
As a Coventry fan (though not deeply following Championship football this season), I'm so glad I got a ticket for the game. Loved being amongst the crowd again, we're all proud of the players. It was a really tough result to swallow, but it was an amazing game overall.
As a Cov fan, my opinion on VAR and offside doesn't really change: I like it as long as it's quick and decisive, but the attacker's advantage (which used to be given as benefit-of-the-doubt by the linesmen) is no longer in the game. A wider offside line would give the attackers that advantage and make high-pace attacking football permissible again. Set lines at the screen pixel, make both drawn lines half-a-foot wide, or maybe even one foot, to allow that attacking bias - if they overlap/touch at all, then it's on-side. I think you wouldn't be able to split hairs about advantage, and you'd get no more toe-nail decisions.
The offside's purpose was to prevent goal-handing and the unfairly advanced attacking player. If a striker's on the shoulder, we shouldn't give them the whole step ahead, but maybe we can allow a boot, let alone a toe, right?
The intensity that comes from the heavy tackles, pushing and pulling, are probably more damaging.
The speed is higher now, the game is much more intense now. No longer is the game just thumping the long ball to the striker, it's more on overloading spaces and running into positions for attacking and scoring
i'd like to make a point here on the accuracy of the VAR technique. So below there are some of my thoughts/calculations - please do correct me if you find any mistake there!
For the last 5-6 years everyone ranted about "killing the joy", breaking the natural rhythm of the game, weird interpretations of fouls, handballs, etc. - but no one raised the question of the ACCURACY of the offside measuring!
The offside should be determined (as everyone knows) in the moment of making a pass. First of all (and most of all) i'd like to point out that the moment of making a pass IS NOT A MOMENT! It doesn't have "the zero length on the time axis" - it has SOME length. And if you do some search, you're gonna find some scientific articles on measuring the TIME of a CONTACT of a ball and a foot while making a pass. This time is about 10 milliseconds - may seem not much, but still! So the question is how "far" can a body (of a potential pass receiver) move during those 10 milliseconds. If we presume a pass receiver to be running with the speed of about 10 meters per second (that's 10 000 centimeters per second), then a body moving with that speed will cover about 10 centimeters in 10 milliseconds - for many people it's about half of their foot length (and we've seen VAR having claimed that kind of offsides already)! And that's when we consider the speed of a body as a whole - but the legs themselves move even faster, so they can cover even longer distance (about 20-30 cm) during 10 ms.
I'd like to make some more explanation (just in case) about why it's a problem. Maybe it is obvious, but if a moment (as we thought of it) doesn't seem to be a moment any more (but a process progressing in time) than we have to determine a moment when it ends - in simple words, we have to make snapshot right in the moment when a ball goes right OFF the foot of a player who's making a pass! And that requires cameras that could make at least 5 frames (for "good measure") during those 10 milliseconds - meaning, the camera must do 500 frames per second! And if we don't have camera with such frame rate and work with usual TV camera, then we don't know when exactly (in terms of the phase of a contact of a ball and a foot of a passing player) we make our snapshot and of course we can't guarantee that our snapshot is showing the moment of a ball LEAVING the foot (meaning, we don't know how "wrong" is the moment of the snapshot that we take respective to the moment of a ball leaving a foot of a player who's making a pass).
Every measuring device has it's margin and "scale limitations" (i mean you can't measure micrometers with school ruler) - and the manufacturer always mentions it, points it out (on a box, on a device itself, in a manual or documentation - at least somewhere!!)! But we still didn't hear ANY numbers or values on this subjects - like they don't exist at all and the present technique of the offside measuring is accurate absolutely (and that's impossible in the universe we live in)!
And by the way - that's just a "hardware part". I'm sure there must be some inaccuracy in, how to put it,.. "making 3D conclusions by 2D picture" (taken from not the best angle sometimes). So if there are people competent in that field - you might joint the rant and share some information about that aspect.
Blows my mind that two of the most experienced pundits haven't bothered to understand how XG works
They do, they just, rightly, think it's shit because it is shit
Forest are correct to complain.
Would love an episode with a deep dive in the differences in the game and the surrounding factors. Maybe some guests and research. It's an very interesting topic. Fair play to all the guys fighting thier corners, no one wants to think their generation had it any easier than any other. Would be interested to see what a deeper dive would turn up.
For Micah’s point about xG, they do factor team quality into it to a degree. That’s why sometimes Salah or Kane will finish a 0.12xG chance, because they’re one of the 12 players out of 100 who could score that.
A 0.88xG means 88 players out of 100 would score it, even a defender!
And yes, to Alan, they analyse years and years of data, including average finishers and amazing ones.
xG developed mainly from football scouting, where scouts wanted a way of measuring a player without needing to watch thousands of hours of their matches. But it’s good now because if a game is 3-0 but the xG is even, it suggests the team that lost isn’t actually as bad as the score line suggests, but they didn’t finish their chances.
It’s also good for analysing a team over a season, if a team is consistently over performing their xG and giving away lots of chances but still winning, it suggests that run will end eventually because things nearly always revert to the average.
It’s amazing how most fans support the forest tweet but pundits and media don’t. It’s like one group is paid by PGMOL and others aren’t
Both Lineker and Shearer make very valid points about football now compared to the past few decades (as did Souness on talkSPORT yesterday). There is too much of players from the modern era thinking the game is much tougher now than it was before, but the stresses on players in the 80s and 90s was worse re: pitches and subs, plus the best teams had players playing 50-60 odd games a season.
i agree with micah even though i think "more intense" is not the way to put it. personally i think this era of football is less intense in terms of physicality except for pace. but on the other hand i think the mental strain on players like focus and the requirement of no errors is way more draining. i personally prefer the old football where it was more chaotic but less structured where you couldn't predict every single pass made before it happened. nowadays it feels like watching a game of fifa football on console.
Shearer and Lineker when another player has a cardiac arrest: 😮
My old man past last year, and he was stoke. But his family was from Coventry. So he always had a soft spot for them. Stoke won, vale went down, and wow... i have struggled with football, since he left, but that weekend, cemented my belief in the beautiful game.... i miss him, but we are Stoke
The worst thing about MU scraping through is that it now makes the final less competitive.
respect for Sir Alex who was king of rotation and still won everything
Goldbridge called it out the other day. Nobody saying anything about the referee favoring city. I love watching you fellas but something has to be said instead of avoiding it week after week
A simpler way to explain xG is for example a penalty is 0.77 because 77% of penalties are scored. Each position has been calculated to how many goals are scored out of 100 shots from that area and put into a percentage.
Just got rid of FA cup replays to help clubs in Europe 🤷🏽♂️
I hope the efl scrap the u21s premier league teams playing in the football league trophy ,
Add replays back in the league cup / or remove premier league clubs being in the league cup an add national league sides instead .
Fuck the f.a there weak spinless and have show no regard for our traditions
How can you have an offside measurement that the attacker/defender can't see themselves. It takes VAR long enough to judge under present rules. Make the measurement bigger and based on foot position for both attacker and defender so the ludicrous decision of an attacker indicating to chip the ball over (as happend with Patric Bamford) and his hand going offside, it is ridiculous.
my fav football podcast featuring the eternal optimist, the eternal pessimist and the eternal realist.
@36:50 my brother is a Forest fan and even he thought the statement was embarrassing. 😂
How can you VAR check the Grealish handball so it’s hit his arm yet give a goal kick???
I understand the rule it's the original decision or overturned for what they're looking for. It's one of the obvious decisions VAR should be used for.. fucking stupid ain't it.
@@seanbristow3165 makes zero sense
@tacush3784 if they're reviewing a penalty decision like that one. The only thing they do is "keep the decision the same or change to penalty". They don't then go, "BTW it should be a corner".. which is exactly one of the cut and dry decisions VAR should be used for. One replay clears up all of these types of decisions. So simple and quick to do. Stupid really.
Regarding the intensity in the modern game, Micah is attributing it to players being injured which isnt a correlation but I think rather a result of multiple factiors? Nutrition, physical capability, mental side of things etc.
I thought VAR was for "cLeAr aNd oBvIoUs!"
Guys, I couldn't even tell if that Coventry goal was really offside with the lines drawn on...
xG is fucking stupid. Football is not singularly binary and every player is different.
The ref gave a penalty for the one hit at wan bissakas arm, but when var looked at the one that hit Thomas on the arm, they didn't give it. Surely var steps in and gives the penalty on Thomas or they step in and don't allow the penalty on wan bissaka. It just doesn't work
@@Do27gg
Yeah, absolutely. It's barely visible with the lines drawn. It's ridiculous to rule that out in my eyes. I think we can safely say that it wouldn't have been if it were the other way/
I agree...if it's not clear and obvious, don't change the decision. Even if that means there will be some given and some that won't, let the on field decision dictate that
If he was a toenail onside that goal still would have gone in, no advantage, three defenders got back and you can tell be the reaction of the man u players (falling on the fall) they didn't play for offside, flag didn't go up also. You can tell when a team know what they are doing, all the hands go up. Joke of a system, needs revision of the rules.
@@GravelordWrust lol no
VAR isn't used in the Championship. The FA Cup is open to all teams in all leagues. It should only be used in the FA Cup when it is universal. Most of the competitors simply aren't used to it, and that's not fair. It changes how players think.
Teams do not need to train at all when some teams are playing 3 games in 10 days all they need are massages no need whatsoever to go on to the training ground,they are more likely to get injured,because apparently train as you as if you were in a proper game so that leads to players taking out their own team mates with challenges
Pep stood in front of you 3 geniuses and NOT 1 of you could muster a question a query a follow up , he just blew you all away again ! No wonder they use an autocue eh Micca ? Just come on your own podcast and snipe away at the greatness ! The emotional rollercoaster asked of players could be helped and improved by , guess who , ...wait for it ...3x pros and an international audience , A foreigner having to tell you guys to look after your world famous Cup competition ! Well done Pep your players are INCREDIBLE CHAMPIONS for 7 yrs because they have A CHAMPION for their Leader ! 💚🏴💛
I agree with the intensity it's all about keeping the ball now the game is far slower, barely ever see wingers running past the fullbacks. Good luck making videos off 50 yard forward passes to runners.
True I’m a united supporter and we shouldn’t even talk about them should all be about Coventry
Even some United fans celebrated when Coventry made it 4-3. They were that disillusioned by what they'd seen. It's actually embarrassing how bad United have been this season. If the manager survives this, it's a miracle. Same with that whole squad. Gutted for Coventry. Probs would've given City a better game than United will 😂
Fake news
They're not real fans. They probably just chose a team when they were young because their friends did.
lol weak banter united dominated ocventry in every department game was 120mins long not the last 9 minutes where they were lucky. lol coventry should be riddiculed for playing how they did
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn So United have a lot of plastic fans then 🙄
@@rajimus 😂😂😂Tell me u didn't watch the game, without telling me u didn't watch the game 😂😂😂
Alan is on another level my level love him how her can be the real version of him self thanking u all for your amazing work this will be bigger than sky sport wait and see 💓
Hi guys loving the show, question for you guys, Start, bench, sell Bobby Moore, Franz Beckenbauer, Franco Baresi, ? 😊
On players playing more than they use too. You go back 30 years the premier league was bigger they played 4 more games, league cup had 2 legs in more rounds, FA cup had more replays. You then go 3 subs smaller squads and smaller benches champs league has been the same for about 25 years now and only just changing to more games again. So there ain’t much in the way of games played to back in the day but players now get the best treatment and rehab. Issue with injuries maybe do with players standing around during stoppage. Everton v forest had a 10 min stop for head injury and players stood about getting cold. Could restart and easily pull a muscle
Living Micah having a cheeky little Roy Keane book on his shelf. Also why is it Meeks as in Big Meeks but his name is pronounced Micah (Mycar)?
Micah was 100% correct on the intensity argument. Players back in Gary's day did a fraction of the running and could get drunk the night before without a worry.
Brilliant😎
Funny how Micah tried to not mention Grealish’s handball 😂
G'day lads, Cheers from down Under! Is thier an XT or how da f did you miss that
its so much more intense, how on earth do they not see it, just because you lot lost the ball every 3 passes doesn't make it better, we are not evolving at all we are optimising, maybe some adaptation and increasing the amount of people who have access.
the idea that the stop start nature of a game with longer breaks leading to more injure sounds great but its literally what they do in training, long sessions with bigger pauses in action
Gary and Alan speak about the game like dinosaurs. xG is an easy to understand quick stat. A striker that out performs their xG is an above average striker. That's all you need to know. Liverpool hired Klopp based on these stats. They showed that his Dortmund side were basically just unlucky and they were doing the right things
xG is garbage.
So everybody in the comment section is here criticizing that they don't "understand" XG when in reality YOU are the ones NOT UNDERSTANDING that they know what it is, they just also realize how stupid and shit it is. Oh yeah, that's so fair to shit on a team because they should have scored more, but unfortunately, their 3rd-division substitute center back couldn't score that goal when all the CL strikers in the world score it. Yeah, fair. Also, it was raining, the pitch was shit and the ball bounced right before the shot. But yeah, Haaland and Cristiano Ronaldo scored it so he should have scored it.
Pep gambled. He rolled the dice and won. It was a massive risk not making lots of changes.
However, Doku, Nunes and Kovacic have all struggled to perform (as usual in your 1st season at city) and Bobb/Lewis are young kids. It wouldn't be fair to put the pressure of an FA fup semi on their shoulders, unless you have to.
Chelsea's physicality massively helped them. City are vulnerable, like every other team, if you dont match the opponents physically.
You cant call it luck tho. Chelsea's finishing was shocking. They werent unlucky to lose. If you dont have the ability to put the ball in the back of the net, its not unlucky. It was not good enough.
So nothing about how two similar handballs happen in the FA cup and only City got away with there one
ive been a united fan for over 40 years and i can honestly say im embarresed that we got out of that game with a win coventry were awsome and deserved to win but thats football i guess ....love the podcast lads and any chance alan could come out of retirement for us next year lol
Completely agree to Gazz and Allen. The games then were far more intense and extremly hurting on the bodies, especially because of the conditions they play in and the help they got from the staff interms of recovery etc etc. These days, there is data and help for every thing (which is amazing and good and necessairy). But it is not more intense than what it was before, it is the opposite.
What mayvbe more now, than before, is the lvel of cocentration from the "entire team". Those days, you could have just the back line, golie etc staying fully concentrated, and the front players, flair up only when they get the ball. So yes, in this regard, we can say it hass changed in the mordern game. It is more mentally taxing inside the pitch now, than what it was before. But physically and injury wise, allen and gazz are 100% correct.
Delusional. The game has moved on significantly in terms of tactics and intensity over the past few decades.
Can we just remove the high bar and just check every penalty decision and check if it’s a penalty or not
No surprise that Alan had big injuries during his career. He must have wanted to play 50 games a season with no rest.
At the start Gary says about VAR ruining a great day, but they got it right?? He was offside!!! If they had got it wrong ( like they did when they let the penalty stand) then ok they would have some explaining to do... if Man Utd had a goal disallowed by VAR would Gary say the same ???
The amount of injuries is alot to do with the amount of stoppages in a game. The players stop and start so much during a game. No wonder there is so many muscle injuries
Hi, guys. Is there any other way to ask you questions? I have a question regarding the Forest situation, but I'm not a Twitter person.
Do you say at the end of the program "goodbye for me" or "goodbye from me"? I am an English learner btw :))
Question- are there more injuries now or back in the day a tweak wasn’t really an injury but now your injured for a 2 week with a sprained toe
Question for micha, how does he deal with all the splinters on his but when sitting on the fence all the time? Great podcast don’t mind Alan as much now now 😂❤
I definitely think we were lucky with the hand ball decision. To top it, it should have been a corner. Luck definitely paid its part - but the whole deal about corruption etc is pushing it too far. Jackson had a million opportunities to score and didn’t convert.
And can nobody see the irony of Forrest complaining of cheating yet being done for cheating themselfs
Debating whether Trent will make the squad is a joke, debate should be where to fit him in the starting lineup. England’s most gifted player I believe Gary said before.
What fucking game was Jermaine Jenus watching,to make KDB MOTM was comical and clearly wasn’t watching that game
Palmer was different class yesterday what a player and KDB was no better against Real Madrid gave the ball away over 30 times in that game
I suppose he thinks he win the Balon D’or 🤡🙈
VAR=Viable Advertising Revenue. With football being shown worldwide the delays in today's game are prefect spots .
On the intensity subject. I disagree with Micah. Being an Arsenal fan you can’t say the old Man U Vs Arsenal games in late 90’s/00’s didn’t have high intensity. I do think a contributing factor can be training along with games. With so much we can do technology wise to train teams, more drills, more varying exercises, etc, maybe it’s sometimes detrimental when less can be more. By this stage of season players are in full flow so maybe over training between games can be factor. 🤷♂️
At 3 nil I turned it off play game of eafc then checking scores seen was 3 3 in extra time,why football is the best sport in the world
It aint that hard to understand why XG is a valuable piece of info. It shows where the momentum in the game was, and shows if teams are losing/performing badly because they aren't creating good chances, or because they aren't scoring them. Yes we can all see that on a game by game basis, but it's helpful to see the stats over the season, and also gives insight for teams that you don't watch week in week out. We don't all watch football for a job lol. Love the pod but the back in my day, oversimplification is getting old
22:42 what? 🤣
Are you sniffing glue.
He was hardly in the game ffs 🤣
FUCKING HELL!!! the intro. My cochlea just eroded and the kid woke up from her sleep.
Football is nowhere near as intense now as it was in the 90s. Those games were much more end to end rather than 8million sideways passes
I was born into a Utd supporting family in 1984… I literally grew up and fell in love with football watching Cantona, Keane, Hughes, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Schmeichel, Bruce, Sharpe, Pallister… then the class of ‘92… then Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez etc.
I remember when I was about 16/17 saying to my Liverpool supporting mate that we’d never finish outside the top 4 cuz we’re just too big a club, too much power, too much money.
Fast forward to yesterday and I decided to sit in the garden in the sun with a beer rather than watch the game cuz I knew we’d try to snatch defeat from victory.
I watched extra time & pens and it still felt like a loss.
Got to agree with Al, I think ETH is done… plagued by injuries and off field issues but consistently inconsistent.
Sad to see how far we’ve fallen.
No one wanted to listen to him but Ragnick was right… open heart surgery on the entire club required.
sorry mate no one cares
@@desmond223despite how shit we are we’ve still got one of the biggest global followings so I think you’ll find there’s a few people who care.
Unfortunately none of them seem to be on the pitch.
@@dannyrichardson8861 we you who us them they etc. it's not your era. get over it. next.
Didn’t talk about palace West Ham
All red final - suspicious how that happened
Players have to be looked after more, I would say mainly due to their now inflated price tag, hence why the game had to change and use more subs etc. Makes a lot of sense to me. It's moving from a spectator sport ot more of just a business now.
What reaction should Nottingham have then? Just take it and possibly get relegated due to poor decisions etc? And that’s from an Arsenal fan. A lot of the decisions we’ve seen this season across all games and teams is shocking and if that was in a normal job the person would be fired. Can’t just keep allowing these decisions deciding games and in some clubs cases seasons
Burnley have had just as many poor decisions go against them this season
Why do you guys never question the PGMLO??
SAF had to deal with the same fixture pile up as pep but for longer, it’s harder for English teams compared to other European teams to be remain successful in all competitions for longer than 2-3 years, let alone 5 consecutive years
Oof--chunks of the past two episodes have felt like fan-led podcasts. I know Gary's said that "It's coming home" chants and the like are made tongue in cheek, but the last episode the boys forgot the difference between rating highly and rooting for teams, and in this one, the player intensity and the game evolving and xg discussions gave me flashbacks to a couple of decades of American (baseball in particular) coverage. It's not an indictment on older players to say the game has changed in a way that may be harder--the margins are tighter, peak performance is measured differently and has to be sustained more--it can be a point of player pride to want to play at their best as often as possible and not just play.
I stopped this one and will probably finish it later, but I hope the Q&A midweek resets the converation a bit.