Ancient Mesopotamian Music - A Beginner's Introduction
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
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This video will be a very general, introductory look at the basic of what we do know of Mesopotamian music from around the 1st millennia B.C and perhaps older. Background artwork by Endegor: www.deviantart.com/endegor/ar...
Plausible reconstructions of what Mesopotamian music may have sounded like (keep in mind that even these are still conjectural to many degrees, there's simply no way as of now to know what their music sounded like beyond the generalities I talk about in this video):
• Music of the Ancient W...
Sources:
Music in the Texts from Ugarit, Matahisa Koitabasi:
www.academia.edu/38789419/Mus...
A Musical and Mathematical Context for CBS 1766, Leon Crickmore:
www.academia.edu/1618638/A_Mu...
Musical Ensembles, Krispjin:
www.academia.edu/37109059/Kri...
The Babylonian Musical Notation and the Hurrian Melodic Texts, M. L. West:
musicircle.net/wp-content/upl...
Is Nid Qabli Dorian ? Tuning and modality in Greek and Hurrian music, Stefan Hagel:
www.academia.edu/47502712/Is_...
The Musical Instruments from Ur and Ancient Mesopotamian Music: Anne Draffkorn Kilmer: www.penn.museum/people/person...
New Light on the Babylonian Tonal System, Leon Crickmore: www.academia.edu/278555/NEW_L...
Was Mesopotamian Tuning Diatonic? A Parsimonious Answer, Jay Rahn: www.mtosmt.org/issues/mto.22....
Mesopotamian Music Theory Since 1977, Anne Draffkorn Kilmer:
www.degruyter.com/document/do...
Mesopotamian Music (pre-Islamic), Bo Lawergren:
www.academia.edu/11728399/Mes...
A Hurrian Musical Score from Ugarit, The Discovery of Mesopotamian Music, Marcelle Duchesne-Guillemin:
urkesh.org/attach/duchesne-gu...
Interview with Anne Kilmer:
archive.ph/ewHL7
The Archaeomusicology of the Ancient Near East, Richard Dumbrill
The earliest evidence of heptatonism in a late Old Babylonian text: CBS 1766
www.academia.edu/243915/Earli...
00:00 Intro
00:54 Some historical music can’t be heard, only talked about
3:13 What Mesopotamian music was not
6:23 The instruments
11:11 The sound of melodies
20:21 The “orientality” of Mesopotamian music
30:30 The legacy of Mesopotamian music
33:10 A plausible demonstration
homo sapiens dressed in mesopotamian garb over cheap greenscreen talks about sounds.png
This video will be a very general, introductory look at the basic of what we do know of Mesopotamian music from around the 1st millennia B.C and perhaps older. Background artwork by Endegor: www.deviantart.com/endegor/art/Babylon-Processional-Way-741022134
Plausible reconstructions of what Mesopotamian music may have sounded like (keep in mind that even these are still conjectural to many degrees, there's simply no way as of now to know what their music sounded like beyond the generalities I talk about in this video):
ua-cam.com/video/2H8_13x3JaI/v-deo.html
Sources:
Music in the Texts from Ugarit, Matahisa Koitabasi:
www.academia.edu/38789419/Music_in_the_Texts_from_Ugarit
A Musical and Mathematical Context for CBS 1766, Leon Crickmore:
www.academia.edu/1618638/A_Musical_and_Mathematical_Context_for_CBS_1766
Musical Ensembles, Krispjin:
www.academia.edu/37109059/Krispijn_iconea2008_Musical_Ensembles_pdf
The Babylonian Musical Notation and the Hurrian Melodic Texts, M. L. West:
musicircle.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Babylonian-Notatin-and-the-Hurrian-Melodic-Texts_Music-and-Letters-1994-WEST-161-79.pdf
Is Nid Qabli Dorian ? Tuning and modality in Greek and Hurrian music, Stefan Hagel:
www.academia.edu/47502712/Is_nid_qabli_dorian_Tuning_and_modality_in_greek_and_hurrian_music
The Musical Instruments from Ur and Ancient Mesopotamian Music: Anne Draffkorn Kilmer: www.penn.museum/people/person/999
New Light on the Babylonian Tonal System, Leon Crickmore: www.academia.edu/278555/NEW_LIGHT_ON_THE_BABYLONIAN_TONAL_SYSTEM_ICONEA_2008_11_22
Was Mesopotamian Tuning Diatonic? A Parsimonious Answer, Jay Rahn: www.mtosmt.org/issues/mto.22.28.1/mto.22.28.1.rahn.php
Mesopotamian Music Theory Since 1977, Anne Draffkorn Kilmer:
www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110340297.92/html
Mesopotamian Music (pre-Islamic), Bo Lawergren:
www.academia.edu/11728399/Mesopotamian_Music_Pre_Islamic_in_English
A Hurrian Musical Score from Ugarit, The Discovery of Mesopotamian Music, Marcelle Duchesne-Guillemin:
urkesh.org/attach/duchesne-guillermin%201984%20the%20discovery%20of%20mesopotamian%20music.pdf
Interview with Anne Kilmer:
archive.ph/ewHL7
The Archaeomusicology of the Ancient Near East, Richard Dumbrill
The earliest evidence of heptatonism in a late Old Babylonian text: CBS 1766
www.academia.edu/243915/Earliest_Evidence_of_Heptatonism
00:00 Intro
00:54 Some historical music can’t be heard, only talked about
3:13 What Mesopotamian music was *not*
6:23 The instruments
11:11 The sound of melodies
20:52 The “orientality” of Mesopotamian music
31:04 The legacy of Mesopotamian music
33:46 A plausible demonstration
Thank you Farya I can always count on you destroying my preconceived views on ancient music and sucking all the joy out of it!
They do say "ignorance is a bliss" and I fully believe this!
But seriously I love your content and I love watching your videos about the FACTUAl History of music and History in general.
PS: Can you sing Macedonian music/songs I would really want to see your rendition of them!
brother, when are we seeing you larp around as Sargon the Great?
Opening is pure gold.
Probably gonna loop it later while I paint some late Roman infantry so my brain absorbs more information, because I'm... well, weird.
I love your contant so much you won't believe
What do you use to tone your video thumbnails?
It actually feels normal to me to have someone dressed in the height of Babylonian fashion addressing me and explaining complex ideas.
Think of it as an ancient Assyrian or Iranian come back to life that speaks English fluently. 😁
@@iberius9937 You honestly could make so much entertainment based on the Mesopotamian culture, TV shows etc.
Its a shame that Ancient Mesopotamia is so under-rated.
@@MedjayofFaiyum UUDREEEEIHAA
"I didn't cry for my boyfriend Enkidu" under a minute in and I already love this so much
OK, so let me sum up: The middle easterners invented european music, then the Greeks invented middle eastern music, and then they swapped it.
In a very very simplified sense, yes. This is mostly true for the modes: modes that sound Western are usually of Mesopotamian origin, and modes that sound Eastern based on our cultural associations tend to be of Greek origin
Aristoxenos snorting pimento-stuffed olives is such an anachronism. Ancient Greeks only snorted olives without peppers because they wouldn't have had access to peppers until the late 15th century.
Bilbamesh needs to be a regular character on this channel lmao
Bilbamesh was the cousin of Gilgamesh?
@@dand7763 no no , it's the youngest brother
The definitely not jealous younger brother of Gilgamesh 😂
@@sabrina1380m The much, much lesser known younger brother of Gilgamesh, at that
Very nice to meet Bilbamesh and witness the return of our favourite olive adict, Aristoxenos, in an eBic collaboration to explain mesopotamian music, from the land of top tier beards and big lyres.
@Rick Molin Hahahahahahahahahah. I'm rolling over with that one. Very astute.
@Rick Molin Farya posted a song just for you, I think. Go to today's post. It's perfect. I love this man.
But Farya forgot what ancient Mesopotamia was most famous for! The land of the most glorious beards!
The intro with the Age of Mythology Egyptian theme playing in the background absolutely killed me
Only the real ones know
Thanks for the mention of Peter Pringles. First time hearing of him but for a while I was looking for something similar
You’re in for a treasure trove, his channel is legendary
I knew about of Peter Pringles years ago :-)
I came across his "Lament for Enkidu" at a particularly rough spot in my life and couldn't help but break into tears. Definitely a gem of a person!
Mesopotamian Farya added to collection. I can’t sleep let’s learn something new
I’ll trade you a Greek Farya for a Mesopotamian Farya
@@seenbefore2803 What about:
An Indian Farya?
Make a collab Sumerian song with Peter Pringle🔥
Y E S Y E S Y E S
Mesopotamia had the first orchestras in known history AND a diatonic system??
I'm too drunk right now to comprehend this
One of your best videos, sir. The bit with Aristoxenus SNIFFING AN OLIVE and giving his opinion was completely f@#*€g hilarious.
It is a firmly established fact that all ancient people wore bracers.
I just discovered that Farya Faraji is the true reincarnation of Cyrus the Great, the ruler of the Medes and Persians and the conqueror of Babylon.
Honestly, he is so exceptional that he might as well be
With those clothes, Farya Faraji could seem an Assyrian or Achaemenid relief, i don't know.
Aristoxenus sounds exactly how my Greek co-workers sound like in English... you are extremely talented Greek impersonator in addition to your field of expertise.
Dude, if I wasn't already subscribed, snorting the olive and "Completely fucking unscientific" would have done it 😀
Re the Greeks vs (apparently) everyone else: people don't realise what a melting pot the ancient Mediterranean was. Yes kingdoms went to war all of the time, but peoples till moved about pretty freely, resulting in the cross-pollination of knowledge. It wasn't "the Greeks" or "the Persians", it was a constant back and forth of ideas.
Re the Greeks: that's literally white supremacy propaganda. Ancient Greeks themselves knew they were in constant contact with everywhere else, it's recent western Europeans who needed a "white" European ancestry to the entirety of human culture and civilisation, so here we are now.
Meanwhile, they had (have) no problem treating modern Greece like a colony.
Dear Farya, I love your videos and learn a lot from them, but as an Assyriologist, specialized on the Early Dynastic Period and Sumerian, let me assure you: Balag is the Sumerian term for "lyre". In the lexical lists from Ebla it is paired with the term "ki-nu-ru" the standard Semitic term (e.g. Hebrew "kinor"). And the cuneiform sign looks like a lyre too😂
Khosrow I cosplaying a Mesopotamian man from days of yore and talking about Mesopotamian music is just the video I absolutely would watch for Easter Sunday
Wait what? You don't do the orthodox easter sunday?
@@yllejord boy I'm a Latin
@@justinianthegreat1444 Latin, I'm an auntie.
Hahahahaha. I love Farya Faraji for just this reason. Gold!!!!
Above all, Happy Easter for those celebrating it today. Happy Palm Sunday and Kali Anastasi for the rest.
This kinda videos about "how ancient music works" are great. Keep going
It seems to me that something similar happens with ancient Egyptian music and what it was supposed to sound like.
Many of the "reconstructions" simply sound like Perso-Arabic music that emerged in the 9th century, as noted in the video, Hijaz Maqam system is used.
Since I was a little boy, I've always found this strange, as a people from 6000 years ago and who had been separated from the Arabs for 800 years (separation between the emergence of the Arabs and when the end of Ancient Egypt is declared), would they have music that would sound the same as Arabic music from Arab Egypt (and which has Ottoman influence)? Isn't it that people simply confuse modern Egyptian with Ancient Egyptian?
Do we have faithful recreations of ancient Egypt? I agree with you. I wanna hear
@@ManiacMayhem7256 Well, I don't know if genuine and faithful reconstructions of ancient Egyptian music already exist today.
But I spoke from a general point of view, most of the songs that claim to be from ancient Egypt, or that say that it is a recovery, all sound like Arabic music.
I think it's easier to be direct, they are merely fantasies.
The best part is those songs are not even current Egyptian music, or even real Middle-Eastern music. They’re more of a random mush of unrelated eastern elements, they throw in Hijaz maqam, an Armenian duduk, an Indian tabla and sitar; they’re basically the musical equivalent of someone shaking their hand doing a stereotypical Italian accent lol; you can tell the people who make this music aren’t Middle-Easterners and they have no real grasp of the music of the region. It’s how you end up with the Armenian duduk of the Caucasus somehow having become the go-to musical representation of Pharaonic Egypt
@@ManiacMayhem7256 We pretty much know nothing about pre-Ptolemaic Egyptian music except for its instruments. The only safe conjecture we can make is the neighbour/time period rule, that since Mesopotamians had diatonic heptatonic music, they probably did too. But we know so little that I wouldn’t even have enough material for a one minute video haha
YES! I was waiting for the day this would eventually come out! Mesopotamia is seriously underrated. I also wonder, what we refer to as Mesopotamia stretches from the Ubaid period, to the end of the Neo-Babylonian empire, 5500 BC to 539 BC. It makes me wonder how much the music changed in those times. What instruments became popular and which faded. I guess that's a question we really cannot fully answer
As an Assyrian , I have to say that your video's and Song are absolutely Amazing ! Love to Iranian ❤💙💚❤️
En tant qu'Assyrien , vos vidéos sont absolument incroyable et un véritable délice pour nos oreilles , il m'arrive d'être triste ou nostalgique en pensant à mes ancêtres , mais j'essaie de me rassurer le plus possible notamment avec des Musiques, je pense savoir quelle musique seront les suivantes 💙❤️
The country tody is iraq not iran
@@AhmedAlkaisi I Never said that the country is Iran or Iraq , what you want ? Start a Debate ? Farya Is Iranian not Iraqi and we don't Care about Iraq
Tu vis en France mon frère ? Aussi ne t'inquiètes pas pour tes ancêtres ils vivront toujours tant que toi tu vis et les tiens vivent ❤
Then go back and claim your land from Iranian influence(i would call Persianization). as a mesopotamian Arab (from Arabaya as your ancestors defined mine when mine ruled in Hatra) I totally agree upon your ruling rather than Iranian racism and attempt to attribute everything to Persians while they had two empires only and they were very much dependent on your ancestors.
Note// Parathians are not Persians.
@@ardugaleen2231 Absolument mon ami Puisse nos nations vivent jusqu'à la fin du Monde !
I have listed to 5 minutes of you speaking, and I already love your channel. Instant sub, you deserve a million.
I gotta keep it real with you, homie, you're fucking amazing. The humor, the knowledge, and most importantly, the passion and dedication. You flexed your knowledge and passion for history in the more literal sense, with your clear explanations. But you also flexed such things, and your dedication, with the background, costume, editing, and humor too. Then of course, your genuine humor that betrays a hint of how you feel people should behave (I can't think of a better word) when an important lesson is being taught. You're awesome, man, keep up the great work.
Also, God DAMN I'm getting lost in them eyes, for real.
The brightness setting joke killed me. Epic video as always, it's good to see coverage for even more obscure music like this.
PS: Where is music, I need to hear music, less talking, MORE MUSIC!
I’m still waiting for that song about Julius Caesar with Mongol throat singing 😂 I sure hope it come’s would be absolute gold
Im Assyrian and this video is cool i hope you do more videos about Mesopotamia
Me too. That's the kind or music that soothes the soul
Peter Pringles voice makes me cry, also thank you for your content, it is so exciting to learn all of this and you transfer this knowledge in such an engaging way
I'm convinced you're 3000 years old and were born in ancient Mesopotamia sometimes before the bronze age collapse.
I'm now curious about the history of the music of East Asia, it's facinating hearing about the history of music in Europe and the Middle East but now im curious about how the music traditions developed far from Western Eurasia.
Several ethnomusicologists specialise in ancient Chinese music from the Tang dynasty, which used microtones, dbadagna (UA-cam channel) is one of the few prominent English speaking ethnomusicologists on UA-cam specializing in that area (that channel is the entrance to that deep rabbit hole, and you will find musicologists from Japan, China, Taiwan and other places that comment and link their own videos to his). You can also look at the ancient gong ensemble music of Southeast Asia that exists to the modern day in tribal and court traditions (classical Gamelan of Indonesia- both the Javanese and Balinese traditions, Kulintang and Gangsa gong ensemble musics of the Philippines, Borneo and Eastern Indonesia, and Pinpeat and Mohori ensemble music of Cambodia among others, again very deep wells and rabbit holes of information). I played gamelan and kulintang music, but I don't list any videos (since I haven't been able to play them in about 10 years lol). I have a small playlist ok my channel with a few of them. Enjoy the journey, and greetings from Asia.
In China, musicians have long played 1! instrumental piece
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New farya variant added to the cinematic universe.
I for one appreciate these longer deep dive videos
Your sense of humor with a heavy dose of intellectual information always cheers me up. Greetings from Serbia, man, love your work.
I wasn't aware that you not only produced but talked about sounds as well. 10/10 channel. Hajduks of Moesia was absolutely fantastic btw.
Yeah, it's the talks that got me into this channel.
I'm happy to finally find a legit talk on historical music rather than a 2 hour mix of something claiming to be historical, but based more on fantasy.
dude I'm so glad I find your channel can't wait to explore this nerdy music videos. Thanks for quality content!
Farya, I just love your videos and the information that you present on them. I've owned for several years a cd of Music of the Ancient Sumerians, Egyptians & Greeks(new expanded edition) by the Esemble De Organographia. Having viewed your video here, I'll have to listen in a different way than I have previously....especially to the Hurrian Hymns.
Thank you for your knowledge, humility and humor. Best wishes always.
Dude, while you're in that timeline, start a copper selling business.
They say there's good coin to be had. The customer service be really bad tho.
I've always adored Mesopotamian art, and you look so good in the clothes too!
I have foiled your scheme! I am listening to the Sumerian Music playlist WHILE listening to your non-music talking video. You thought we couldn't do both, but I can do both!
That was by turns fascinating, enlightening and absolutely hysterical. I think the eeeeeeh? + shrug needs to become standard performance protocol in any serious minded historical music setting. Amazing work and thanks for such a great & engaging video!
As an Iraqi I love this! 🤍🎶💙
Really well done video. Very informative. Also i believe you nailed the babylonian look. Atleast thats what i would imagine a rich mesopotamian to look like
I love it when you talk man I love to hear what you say when you teach me your wisdom and knowledge I feel educated in the history of Medieval music in ancient music
Love the skits ❤ you are a treasure Farya
Keep it up man, great work
Love your stuff man! Beautiful!, thank you for this treasure.
Another awesome video my guy! Bilbamesh joins Aristoxenos in the Farya Faraji cinematic universe. All that’s missing is Ibn Fadlan lol.
On another note, I wonder what could be said about ancient Egyptian music? They seemed to have lyres or harps according to mural evidence. Though to my knowledge, and I’d love to be proven wrong, but there have been no equivalent of Hurrian hymns in Egypt and no surviving written texts regarding ancient Egyptian music. So, I imagine that it’s a much harder job to determine what ancient Egyptian music actually sounded in terms of music theory. I hope you could make a video on this topic.
I was in a very beautiful Babylonian outfit. All love to you and our brothers in Iran ❤🇮🇶🇮🇷❤
Given the quality of the fantastic commentary before and around the music, I might be clicking just to hear the talk!
Great video as always!! Thanks!!
third time one of your videos jumped into mu TL. defiantly deserves a sub.
The AOM Egyptian music at the begining! :D Aom soundtracks are phenomenal. Top quality content!!
Dear Farya...I am amazed for the clarity in your herculean effort to bring sense into the musical world that has lost a bit its origins. Keep up the " inspiration..."
A very wonderful research on the history of music in ancient civilizations, especially in Iraq. Thank you❤🇮🇶
Will you do any Mesopotamian music on the channel? Also, it's good to see someone having their sources in their video description for anyone to go look up
Seeing this got me so excited. I am fascinated by the Sumerians. Thank you!
Age of Mythology as intro, hello? You dont disapoint my many also need this for DnD setting, love your work!
6:22 bro really said hurrian hymn no.6
Peter Pringle, incredible talent.
Hi Farya! I really appreciate you trying to give a more holistic, grounded interpretation to this ancient music tradition. It was only ever glossed over (using many of the sound clips you used) in my university studies with a kind of thought-terminating "this is how it was done" attitude, not really exploring how they arrived at those interpretations. Also I appreciate you struggling through with the Bilbamesh costume!
Would you be able to do a similar video about ancient Egyptian music at all? It's my area of study and there are quite a lot of groups doing reconstructions, but I'd be really interested in hearing your perspectives!
Man, your channel is great!
The part with Aristoxenos got me😂😂😂, it would honestly make a great roast out of context. I love listening to your talks. Long ago I noticed the large amount of versions of the Hurrian hymn and wondered why that is the case. Now I know why
Hey Farya, very engaging presentation style and nice props. I especially liked your video about why traditional Greek music doesn't sound "Western"!
I was wondering if you ever considered the musical tradition of the Syriac Churches, which historically spanned the area of the Fertile Crescent before their missionaries spread Christianity to India, China, etc. They are today represented in the Middle East largely by ethnic Assyrians who belong to the Assyrian Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Ancient Church of the East, Syriac Catholic Church and, to some extent, the Maronite Catholic Church.
Culturally, they represent a continuation of the ancient peoples of the area, since they continue to speak in Aramaic, and their literature is in a dialect of the same language called Syriac. Aramaic had been introduced as an official language by the Assyrians in the 8th century BC, and this was continued under subsequent Persian rulers. So, for the most part, they retained their identity and large parts of their culture, resisting assimilation, and especially continuing to speak their 3,000 year-old language!
The bulk of the Syriac musical repetoire belonging to these Churches developed prior to the arrival of Islam, and especially in the fourth and fifth centuries AD, in schools at Antioch, Edessa, Nisibis, Nineveh, Arbela and Seleucia-Ctesiphon. No doubt, they would have had some Hellenistic influence due to Alexander and later the Seleucid Empire, as well as some Persian influence - since the ancestors of those who adhered to these Churches had been ruled by the Achaemenids, Parthians and Sassanians. They would also have been in contact with pre-Islamic Arabs and other neighbouring groups. Particularly, their location at the convergence of the Sassanian and Byzantine empires in northern Mesopotamia would have some singificance.
You mentioned that we don't really know what ancient Mesopotamian music sounded like, and that the notion of genetical musical memory is preposterous, and I agree with you to a large extent. However, I would tend to believe that some elements of Syriac liturgical music could well go back to ancient secular, folk and temple music from ancient Mesopotamia and the Levant. Don't you think? Unfortunately, there has been no overarching and comprehensive study of the entire musical tradition, but enough has been done to give an idea of what is out there. Looking forward to reading your opinion on this...
Few seconds in I was like 'waaaiiit a minute, I know that jazzy little tune'. Never get tired of the flashbacks induced by the Age of Mythology soundtrack popping up in random places. Its notes are seared into my soul from many a childhood hour well spent.
Discovered the channel yesterday. I am definitely having a great time.
Also the greek accent.. so fcking on point ahahaha
Great video! I really appreciate your willingness to not know specifics on some aspects of the music.
I first came to your channel for the awesome roman legion music you did. Then I listened to more and different cultural songs you have put out. I started to really get interested in all different kinds of cultural history. Long and short of it, thank you for making these videos. It has revitalized my love of history. Keep up the amazing work.
Thanks! Absolutely great video and fascinating for me because I'm learning Sumerian
I've only had Bilbamesh for 35:29 minutes but if anything were to happen to him I will kill everyone in the tigris and euphrates river valleys and then myself
Your videos are so good. Interesting, erudite, odd, also funny. But mostly engaging in important re-imagining of history thus far misapprehended in many ways. (A Finn here, a non-indoeuropean language speaker, but western by geography and history.)
very cool and instructive video !!!!!
Thanks for this video my guy!
Watching your informative videos, it's really interesting to learn that just because something is deeply associated with a certain area today, doesn't mean it originated there. Crazy how it is the modern consensus not only for the Middle Eastern "sound" but also for Western diatonicism.
Haha the part when you clash tiktoker is really fun xD (and sad but you really good explain why). Thank you for your awesome work again !!!
I ask you to do more about the Assyrian and Babylonian civilization
Thank you for yet another great video. You really make them instructive and enjoyable.
How about an epic about a maritime periple between Mesopotamia, Oman and the Harappa civilisation?
Or a proto-indo-european epos joining the vedic and homeric traditions for a possibly dactylic hexametric steppe song about the serpent-slaying myth?
Anyways, bonnes Pâques et merci pour la qualité des vidéos. Voilà de la médi(ta)ation culturelle de premier ordre
On top of that, Peter Pringle is also handsome as hell.
Bro looks majestic and spits facts
We are proud of You. Well done!
Aristofenos has such a cool vibe, I wish I was like him.
Don’t go down his road, olive addiction destroys lives
@@faryafaraji I heard that a former chemistry teacher started an olive plantation with one of his former students. A friend of mine tried to give me an olive from the plantation but I declined.
Excellent work here Sir
Thanks for the wonderful information. I love how you are so keen to debunk assumptions. As an Aussie from Celtic ancestry, I have loved Middle Eastern and Balkan music since the early 1980s. I teach English to adult migrants and lead a world music band with students from all over the world so I try to be Authentic when I lead Arabic songs on the oud or Latin American on the congas… I love how you show the evidence and logic for Ancient Mesopotamian music being diatonic. I have also being guilty of overuse of hijab maqam lol. I would love to learn more about the Kurdish and ZaZa music that seems to be in rast maqam but has a tonic note that floats above where it seems it should and feels like it never resolves….
Listen to the Segah dastgah in persian music its a mode based on the third note of the rast maqam and it sounds very intriguing
1:31 painfully accurate
Respects to the camera man for travelling back in time and interviewing Bilbamesh about this interesting topic
Ngl, I'm one of those who see the music videos and comment 'where is the talking? I want the talking!'
Great video as always
I can't tell whether it was on purpose or not, since you are also interested in ancient languages I wonder whether you have studies some Akkadian or Sumerian. The name Gilgamesh is written 𒀭𒄑𒉋𒂵𒎌 in the older form, which is pa-bil-ga-mesh and /b/ and /b/ sometimes exchange in Emesal (probably feminine genderlect of Sumerian), making it possible that Gilgamesh in Emesal is Bilbaŋesh.
The possibility that musical instruments were created from weapons sounds very plausible. Perhaps also farm equipment. Reminds me of videos from... I think it was Romanian or Ukrainian, just farmers hitting stuff with certain tool and singing to it. The saŋ-gida "long side" (that's just the translation and the guess of how it looks like, I don't know if it is found archeologically) is some instrument with a single string like a bow (or was it sa-gida ... "sa" means sinew and "saŋ" is front/side, my Sumerian has gotten a bit rusty). It would not be implausible that it is just a modified bow in the end.
If you'd adopt Mesopotamian music plus text, would you go for Sumerian or Akkadian (or another culture/language?). There is to my knowledge also a lot of debate on how the texts and cultic "hymns" were actually performed or recited or even read. Apart from letters, which seem obvious, this goes for a lot of cases of Mesopotamian literature, where we don't know who the actual audience was of that "reading culture". Did people fetch a clay tablet to read as evening literature? Some authors like Claus Wilke also argue that certain texts (iirc it was about Lugalbanda and the earlier Gilgamesh stories) were performed as plays.
First time to this channel, thanks for all the good infos!
And the genetic memory thing...
These videos are soo good and enjoying. o7
You're much sassier than I expected, I like it!
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6:07 I'm sure we know a lot more about the language than we do about the music, but there is a question of what your standards are. I know there are pretty major uncertainties about the exact pronunciations of ancient Mesopotamian languages, moreso than some other later languages. (I think Sanskrit, Latin, and Old Norse are great examples of languages where we know particularly a lot about the pronunciation, and even with these there are definite uncertainties and complexities about details, while Old Chinese is an example of a written language where we are probably even less certain about the exact pronunciation than with Sumerian or Akkadian. Sumerian has a particularly big difficulty even Old Chinese doesn't have in that we don't know of any other languages being genealogically related to it, so we can't rely on normal comparative reconstruction to complement analysis of writings. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if our understanding of Ancient Sumerian phonology was worse than ours of Ancient Egyptian Phonology, even though the Sumerians actually sort of indicated their vowels sometimes.)
Fucking love your representation of Gilgamesh 😂 love your videos dude, great as always
This deserves more attention
Genuinely, if you get tired of the music business, you could run a great sit com with these characters you come up with.
"Yeah we have a word for that in ancient Greek, it's uuuh, uuh, oh yes κομπλῆτλυ φάκινγγ ἀνσαϊεντίφικ"
Peter Pringle reference - liked.
I have a poster of him in my room.
Your videos are so bomb man