I'm a bit surprised in the comparison on the Mini Club racecar. When you compare a "before car" on unleaded petrol to a "after car" that has been converted to E85 how can you tell the increase in power that your "normal" Mini owner is interested in?
could sell your old sc to recoup some of the cost. but it’s probably more cost effective to just go buy a clean jcw and mod it or go straight to a gp. had i known id fall in love with the r53 i wouldve gotten the gp straight away. now ive got like 10k in mods invested in a high mileage car. 😅
Do you still get delicious delicious supercharger noises? I noticed you do with the BMW E90 kit, but I don't see that often with a TVS supercharger elsewhere
Those stock power levels seem low. My R53 made 210whp with just a 17% pulley, intake, and tune. It was 175whp stock. I was told by the tuner, who has been tuning MINIs for a decade, that he has never dynoed an R53 under the stock crank horsepower rating. How could there be so much discrepancy in measured power?
The SAE correction factor. Notice the Harrop video states "2004 SAE," or J1349. Most aftermarket dyno guys use the much older SAE correction from the 1970's (SAE J607) which artificially inflates the numbers, as it runs 17F cooler air temp and has other favorable corrections. Plus, if your dyno is at more than about 2000' elevation, the correction factor start getting even higher. The factory rated 163BHP is an honest number to SAE J1349, as is clear from the WHP measured by Harrop in this video. It's also easy for aftermarket dyno guys to "put their foot on the scale," and switch which C.F. is used between runs to make it appear that their tune is even better.
It appears M45 has more torque up till 6000 rpm. Unless you are racing, stock M45 performs better in real life. E85 testing is irrelevant for street cars.
IOL Outbound It made 30 extra whp on an engine that made 158 whp. That’s a 19% increase in power with a supercharger that is dimensionally similar and should offer stock-like or better reliability. Not to mention there was 0.3 psi less on the TVS900 vs the M45. Not that the 0.3 psi would account for much (plus getting the two to produce the exact same boost would require extra time and pulley fabrication), but at 16.7 the TVS900 probably would have allowed a few extra hp. That said, an approximate 20% increase in power at the same boost level with a blower that fits in virtually the same space is pretty good IMO. And sure you can add nitrous, but then you have to keep filling the bottle(s), checking pressure, etc... and once the shot is all gone, a TVS900 car will walk on by.
Alot of that hp was from the tune alone, should did it on standard ecu tune Then on next car they added e85 tune too then so these numbers are very inaccurate
Too baaaaad its ridiculously expensive. Hard to buy a part that cost as much as my car BUT it is the last mod I have to do besides better pistons . I just ported my m45 and put on a bvh and race cam so I sure could use a tvs
The JCW has a different supercharger. I can’t tell you wtf it is but I’ve torn into enough of those cars to confidentially say there’s no chance there the same. The JCW blower is way fucking bigger.
You do know wheel and crank horsepower aren’t the same thing right? That 269 is closer to 300 at the crank from 1.6 liters and a supercharger. I won’t explain the differences of a supercharger vs turbo. The pump gas number is more at the wheels than Honda’s 1.5 turbo is at the crank with the same boost pressure. The civic type r needs 25 per cent more displacement 50 percent more boost from a turbo and direct injection 93 octane to match that wheel rating of this 20 year old design on e85. Yeah it’s a real POS.
Lovely , only problem is it costs 3 times the amount I paid for the whole car
Lol I know right?
For real
Lol 😂 true
Exactly lol
Hahaha yeah
I'm a bit surprised in the comparison on the Mini Club racecar. When you compare a "before car" on unleaded petrol to a "after car" that has been converted to E85 how can you tell the increase in power that your "normal" Mini owner is interested in?
Excellent kit, would definitely buy if the price was not 4600$ (according to TVS's site)
Better than a $5,000 brand new oem blower.
@@_alltheseprettylights_ they aren’t 5 grand new.
could sell your old sc to recoup some of the cost. but it’s probably more cost effective to just go buy a clean jcw and mod it or go straight to a gp.
had i known id fall in love with the r53 i wouldve gotten the gp straight away. now ive got like 10k in mods invested in a high mileage car. 😅
So using the biggest pulley it's creating as much boost pressure as an Eaton with -15% but without running out of efficiency up top? B-)
You can easily get 220 bhp with a pulley, ported head, intercooler and 4-2-1 manifold
@@sjsmith what upgrades are you running??
@@sjsmith with what mods?
at least, 380cc injectors, intercooler, exhaust, pulley, cams. stock headers are fine if modified for high flow cats
Do you still get delicious delicious supercharger noises? I noticed you do with the BMW E90 kit, but I don't see that often with a TVS supercharger elsewhere
Those stock power levels seem low. My R53 made 210whp with just a 17% pulley, intake, and tune. It was 175whp stock. I was told by the tuner, who has been tuning MINIs for a decade, that he has never dynoed an R53 under the stock crank horsepower rating. How could there be so much discrepancy in measured power?
big difference between Wheel HP vs Brake HP. in the video this is BHP
That dyno measures horsepower at the wheels. Brake horsepower is just an old term people used to describe crank horsepower.
wheel is how much power the cars wheels put down to the dyno, brake hp is how much power to the hubs and crank is well to the crank
The SAE correction factor. Notice the Harrop video states "2004 SAE," or J1349. Most aftermarket dyno guys use the much older SAE correction from the 1970's (SAE J607) which artificially inflates the numbers, as it runs 17F cooler air temp and has other favorable corrections. Plus, if your dyno is at more than about 2000' elevation, the correction factor start getting even higher. The factory rated 163BHP is an honest number to SAE J1349, as is clear from the WHP measured by Harrop in this video. It's also easy for aftermarket dyno guys to "put their foot on the scale," and switch which C.F. is used between runs to make it appear that their tune is even better.
@seth Morton how is your mini? Did you get an intercooler or other mods after reaching 210 hp?
It appears M45 has more torque up till 6000 rpm. Unless you are racing, stock M45 performs better in real life. E85 testing is irrelevant for street cars.
E85 is perfect for a street R53. You just need bigger injectors
@charles13300 and a return fuel system, pump, rail, filter etc to suit e85 and more..
so your telling me, 5000 dollars with shipping and handling for 30 HP? BOO
were better off adding a wet nitrous kit and E85.
IOL Outbound It made 30 extra whp on an engine that made 158 whp. That’s a 19% increase in power with a supercharger that is dimensionally similar and should offer stock-like or better reliability. Not to mention there was 0.3 psi less on the TVS900 vs the M45. Not that the 0.3 psi would account for much (plus getting the two to produce the exact same boost would require extra time and pulley fabrication), but at 16.7 the TVS900 probably would have allowed a few extra hp. That said, an approximate 20% increase in power at the same boost level with a blower that fits in virtually the same space is pretty good IMO. And sure you can add nitrous, but then you have to keep filling the bottle(s), checking pressure, etc... and once the shot is all gone, a TVS900 car will walk on by.
@@GyroPyro121212 you're totally right. The only problem is the price.
Xabier It is a bit pricey, but modding any European car can get quite expensive. It is to be expected.
The track car was running corn for baseline? That’s a huge jump and the numbers seem low even on 91.
How do you do oil maintenance ? Same as the m45?
how do u do e85?
my r53 gets 202 at the wheels
So Excited!!!!
Awesome!. I wish that my mini would suit this set up
The first mini ones were not the r53. It was the r50s.
What does all that extra horsepower do to the 0-60mph time? Not that much I've read.
its hard to get the power to the ground even at 200-ish hp...
but honestly - who cares about 0-60 ? its all about rolling 30 - 120 ;)
VORTEK Music Even at 30 the car would probably spin with 200+ hp. Would have to be a higher speed rolling start.
Why does everyone think the price on their site is listed in USD? :D
Will this fit 2006 jcw GP? What keind modification I have to do ?
Keep the GP stock. It will be a collector's car.
Alot of that hp was from the tune alone, should did it on standard ecu tune
Then on next car they added e85 tune too then so these numbers are very inaccurate
how much would a supper charger kit like this cost ???
$3150 in the US.
Just under £4k fitted over here
Justin Lankester holy sheeeeet
Great car channel
nice job
you also need to tell these vehicle owners to stop wasting time with the top mounted intercooler. Front mount conversion is a must!
Too baaaaad its ridiculously expensive. Hard to buy a part that cost as much as my car BUT it is the last mod I have to do besides better pistons . I just ported my m45 and put on a bvh and race cam so I sure could use a tvs
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I'd rather do a motor swap
Sprintex is much cheaper....
Vasilis Rroshi and runs super hot!
Justin Lankester how much will cost only for delivering without installation
@Ellie R53 has the water pump on the sprintex given up yet?
The JCW has a different supercharger. I can’t tell you wtf it is but I’ve torn into enough of those cars to confidentially say there’s no chance there the same. The JCW blower is way fucking bigger.
It doesn't
Jcw has the same supercharger, they come with a slightly smaller SC pulley, "ported" head, tune and an intake with the JCW kit. I own a JCW fyi.
Just ditch the supercharger .Replace it with a turbo for 300hp+
gotta love the compressor mate.
Mini Mechanic the charger makes the r53
@Ellie Basic Or be like me and have one of each :D
The measurements are fake.
open hood, air supply directly to the cooler, that has nothing to do with street
@@Monz117
no but keep dreaming that the measurement is correct.
15psi and only 267hp!!!? Terribly inefficient motor.
You do know wheel and crank horsepower aren’t the same thing right? That 269 is closer to 300 at the crank from 1.6 liters and a supercharger. I won’t explain the differences of a supercharger vs turbo. The pump gas number is more at the wheels than Honda’s 1.5 turbo is at the crank with the same boost pressure. The civic type r needs 25 per cent more displacement 50 percent more boost from a turbo and direct injection 93 octane to match that wheel rating of this 20 year old design on e85. Yeah it’s a real POS.
Price per hp is a joke