It's an FPGA based solution with relatively low channel count and my understanding is that they're able to use the same ADC components for voltage input signals and reconfigure it for oscilloscope, spectrum analyzer, lock-in amplifier and etc functions.
Analog Discovery on steroids! Pretty interesting, a good addition to a crammed lab or when you're on the move. I love the Pro mechanical design - clearly well made and functional, it kinda reminds me of Power Macs.
I was thinking the same thing. I really like the split in the industry with the modernization of the old school instruments and the evolution of software defined instruments with the Analog Discovery and a few other products out of the maker community such as the Red Pitaya.
Definitely want to see a teardown! I've been thinking about getting a software based setup. Looks like this is the way to go. @ $600US , sounds pretty good.
b-b-but I like switching cables... I have a big collection of cool, painfully over priced cables :( For real though, how the heck do they cram all that into 1 box?
They never answered the notion about analog switches.. so my guess is there actually are none and it was an incorrect guess, likely ADC-FPGA-DAC driven, and configured via software in that sense.
It looks like there's a 25V/5V input limit on the 60MHz and 200MHz one respectively. That seems it's going to be a pain if you want to replace a regular scope with one of these.
I've tested the Moku:Pro and its basically a jack of all trades and master of none. You're better off buying a dedicated scope, spectrum analyzer and signal generator. The specialized real time signal processing capabilities like PID Controller etc. might be somewhat useful, but I'm no expert in that field
This looks really exciting. I am particularly interested in the smaller unit for use in the class room. Is the Python API for the smaller unit full featured? I would like to see a demo of the API for sure.
@@marcfruchtman9473 Absolutely -- we're unable to post links, but head to our website and mouse over "Company", head to "Events Calendar", and scroll down to one of the webinars on July 24. There will be two sessions, so feel free to choose the one that works best for you.
@@marcfruchtman9473 Happy to help! On the top menu of our homepage, hover over "Company" and then scroll down to "Events Calendar." There, you can see all of our upcoming events, including webinars. For our July Python demo, there are two times available. Hope to see you there!
Words for the algorithm Gods: "Dogs are scientifically smarter than cats, although cats are proven to understand what humans are saying better. I don’t know what that says about us, but meaning, Study shows that cats understand your commands, but don’t care."
@@Rubacava_ The gui is built on qt so it could theoretically work, however they likely chose not to release a linux version because their hardware uses custom drivers for the USB interface, which poses a problem for their lowest end (likely most popular) devices which have no LAN port
The Moku:Go has 16 digital pins. From the website: 2 analog inputs Up to 30 MHz, 125 MSa/s outputs 2 analog outputs Up to 20 MHz, 125 MSa/s Digital I/O 16 channels, 125 MSa/s per channel Power Supply Up to 4 channels (model dependent)
Yes, thats true but still if you want to integrate the pro version then you can't. I mean, yes, you can always use another instrument of even a microcontroller, but only software triggering.... Edit: Yes, I know it has a trigger input that we could use with our SMU but we also have a switcher board right now as well which is controlled by the SMU GPIOs. This would be great if the pro had this option.... But generally, I think it's a good concept.
Price in USD isn't too bad IMHO. With the chinese stuff the UI is often terrible, which affects useability. And it often does have other shortcomings as well.
@@derkeksinator17 Agreed. The Moku devices appear to have well polished hardware and software. Imagine what the FNIRSI implementation would be like. It would have about 70% of the function and quality, but you’d never be able to tell where the missing 30% is or how it would affect your measurements.
@@shazam6274 really any interface that could be compressed into the half of the visual spectrum i can see would be manageable with a simple personalization menu but theres a point at a which an interface relies on more contrastive colours than can realistically be compressed into such a restricted space
Yeah, the usual ripoff. Everything is just software and they charge as if it was hardware. Several companies trying this approach atm. Sooner or later this will get cannibalized by cheap Chinese solutions. There is just way too little IP in writing a lock-in amp or frequency analyzer when you already have the full signal sampled.
1000 AUSSIE BUCKS what's that like 200 USD? LOL.. NO, apparently it's $666 US, how evil. I thought the big boy was $500US lol... And then 1k per instrument. HMM... PRICEY. Edit: $25K for all instruments and future instruments is kind of nice. I don't even use my little $500 entry guy. I don't know how to...
A specialized person would be better to give more technical details about a product that cost 15K . Or maybe they already have a solid number of customers and they don't care too much.
He was probably there with somebody else and Dave just happened to catch the moment when the others had wandered off to lunch, or use the the loo, or whatever. 🙂
Didn't think I'd stick around for the full 13 minute ad. Now I want to see the tear down.
They said they'll send me the small one for teardown and review.
@@EEVblogYou could have said him that don't bother, let's do it now. I mean when they see that mail bag opening knife of yours no one says no. 😊
functions: all of them,
temp sensors: sure, a bunch, almost all of them,
bandwidth: yeah, all of it.
i've worked with the moku pro within the scope of my thesis. great instrument, easy to use and lots of functionalities
It's an FPGA based solution with relatively low channel count and my understanding is that they're able to use the same ADC components for voltage input signals and reconfigure it for oscilloscope, spectrum analyzer, lock-in amplifier and etc functions.
I was going to ask if this was FPGA when he mentioned deploying new instrument packages, what a cool system
Not just new, you can write your own and put them in any slot.
@@GalileoAV Exactly right, FPGA-based devicves with software-defined instruments.
@@Axman6 Yes -- users can deploy their own instruments using Moku Cloud Compile.
The UI 0:32 is DELICIOUS ! Well done, folks!
That is one stand at which I did stop and spend some time. Very cool!!
Analog Discovery on steroids! Pretty interesting, a good addition to a crammed lab or when you're on the move. I love the Pro mechanical design - clearly well made and functional, it kinda reminds me of Power Macs.
It looked pretty schmick.
I was thinking the same thing. I really like the split in the industry with the modernization of the old school instruments and the evolution of software defined instruments with the Analog Discovery and a few other products out of the maker community such as the Red Pitaya.
Thant's next level - go Ausy Tech!
Pretty awesome
Will look into more
I'd love to support more Aussie made products
Crikey.... I want one. I don't need one, of course, but I still want one!
A laser lab I work with has six Moko pros.
Fanboys.
And how much do they like them?
@@quetzalcoatl-pl At least $100k !
Definitely want to see a teardown! I've been thinking about getting a software based setup. Looks like this is the way to go. @ $600US , sounds pretty good.
looks like a decent product at a reasonable price
Why does it look so slick? Why is it not clunky to use? I want clunky beige boxes! This is too refined!
b-b-but I like switching cables... I have a big collection of cool, painfully over priced cables :(
For real though, how the heck do they cram all that into 1 box?
Must be like the tardis. Larger on the inside
They never answered the notion about analog switches.. so my guess is there actually are none and it was an incorrect guess, likely ADC-FPGA-DAC driven, and configured via software in that sense.
Wow great job
Hopefully that demonstrated UI control system server can be run completely locally without any forced Cloud (TM) innovation.
Yep, sub microsecond input to output latency. No cloud in the loop.
I want one. Now!
It looks like there's a 25V/5V input limit on the 60MHz and 200MHz one respectively. That seems it's going to be a pain if you want to replace a regular scope with one of these.
Very common to not get the same input attenuator flexibility on USB scopes like this.
The Moku devices remind me of working with LabView virtual instruments, except Moku does it with FPGAs and ancillary hardware.
And what looks like a much nicer GUI instead of the crappy LabView stuff.
@@shazam6274 Yes, it looks like the Moku UI is well polished based on the video, I’d like to try it out first hand.
App is free to download and has a demo mode (not exactly a simulation but lets you play with the UI and get a feel for its limitations)
@@Crynja Thank you for the suggestion.
I'm totally interested in purchasing but only if you can ramp the PS with the function generator!
Would seem silly if you can't with all this insane flexibility, but needs to be tested.
@@EEVblog I agree - I really wanted see it function
Can't wait for Dave's review. Also a comparison to Virtins from Singapore would be nice
Neat! Bit pricey, but nothing else on the market like this.
Well done kid!
I've tested the Moku:Pro and its basically a jack of all trades and master of none. You're better off buying a dedicated scope, spectrum analyzer and signal generator. The specialized real time signal processing capabilities like PID Controller etc. might be somewhat useful, but I'm no expert in that field
Awesome.
hope they send one in for review!
This looks really exciting. I am particularly interested in the smaller unit for use in the class room. Is the Python API for the smaller unit full featured? I would like to see a demo of the API for sure.
We've got a Python demo coming up, actually -- you can register for the webinar on our website. It'll have a live Q&A as well.
@@LiquidInstruments Could you give a hint as to "where" on your website I would find that?
@@marcfruchtman9473 Absolutely -- we're unable to post links, but head to our website and mouse over "Company", head to "Events Calendar", and scroll down to one of the webinars on July 24. There will be two sessions, so feel free to choose the one that works best for you.
@@marcfruchtman9473 Happy to help! On the top menu of our homepage, hover over "Company" and then scroll down to "Events Calendar." There, you can see all of our upcoming events, including webinars. For our July Python demo, there are two times available. Hope to see you there!
Thought Emporium would definitely love to have one.
You ever listen to any electrostatic headphones like the ones made by Stax? Thoughts?
Words for the algorithm Gods:
"Dogs are scientifically smarter than cats, although cats are proven to understand what humans are saying better. I don’t know what that says about us, but meaning, Study shows that cats understand your commands, but don’t care."
I like the name.
If that can work with Linux laptop, I want one.
It can if you make your own gui using the http request api lol
Probably an electron app so it can work with anything
@@Rubacava_ The gui is built on qt so it could theoretically work, however they likely chose not to release a linux version because their hardware uses custom drivers for the USB interface, which poses a problem for their lowest end (likely most popular) devices which have no LAN port
I was looking at this instrument for our lab. The huge problem for us NO GPIOS.... whyy?? Put some configurable gpios !!!
The Moku:Go has 16 digital pins. From the website:
2 analog inputs
Up to 30 MHz, 125 MSa/s
outputs
2 analog outputs
Up to 20 MHz, 125 MSa/s
Digital I/O
16 channels, 125 MSa/s per channel
Power Supply
Up to 4 channels (model dependent)
You can connect the small version and get the digital inputs, he mentioned that.
Yes, thats true but still if you want to integrate the pro version then you can't. I mean, yes, you can always use another instrument of even a microcontroller, but only software triggering....
Edit: Yes, I know it has a trigger input that we could use with our SMU but we also have a switcher board right now as well which is controlled by the SMU GPIOs. This would be great if the pro had this option.... But generally, I think it's a good concept.
Very cool
Me after seeing the thumbnail: “Oh Lord, are oscilloscopes now getting gratuitous RGB lighting?!”
Everybody knows RGB makes things go faster...
been watching EEVblog since a kid at age 13 i’m now 21
More 30 Years to go 😂
I have good news and bad news. You’re still a kid. But not to worry, you’ll still be a kid 30 years from now. 😄
@@BMRStudio 😂
It's cool but what happens if the company goes bust? Does it become paperweight?
Very excited for a review... is it already on your bench, Dave?😁
Nope, they said they'd send me the small one though.
The buzzwords are all there, but is the bandwidth? Is the noise floor?
500MHz bandwidth...
So, to be clear. This "is" better than owning a 1ch 5mhz CRO? Just asking...
Wish it did eye diagrams so that i could Test thunderbolt and USB C cables.
This has to be FPGA based, right?
Yes, it is.
Just checked the prices- I'll be giving this a miss.
Want
Damn, if the go had a decent 400V input voltage, this would be awesome for tube audio gear repair and development.
You are free to buy 2 resistors or a 10: probe for ~$20
Grad students' eyes get big...
Mouser are telling me it's a snip at £21k for the Silver system... 🤣🤣🤣
2 grand for a software unlock!
The price is high, we should wait for Chinese response to this😅
Price in USD isn't too bad IMHO. With the chinese stuff the UI is often terrible, which affects useability. And it often does have other shortcomings as well.
@@derkeksinator17 Agreed. The Moku devices appear to have well polished hardware and software. Imagine what the FNIRSI implementation would be like. It would have about 70% of the function and quality, but you’d never be able to tell where the missing 30% is or how it would affect your measurements.
Sexy little boxes for sure. Our guy there wasn't mumbling and staring at the ground, def not a young american engineer 😅
The original some years ago looked very cool, but the specs sucked. Perhaps they've improved...
Salesman is young and has learning to do.
He's got the correct attitude which is the biggest skill to nurture.
Well he's not a salesman as he stated
Read the video description and watch the video, he's the mechanical engineer, not a sales person.
that interface is.... awful?
i wonder if there's a less flashy, more accessible version?
LabView and the Chinese have your dream interfaces
@@shazam6274 really any interface that could be compressed into the half of the visual spectrum i can see would be manageable with a simple personalization menu
but theres a point at a which an interface relies on more contrastive colours than can realistically be compressed into such a restricted space
*sniffs* hmm.
That sounds like something I would definitely buy!
But not before the full firmware has been pirated and offered for free LOL.
Yeah, the usual ripoff. Everything is just software and they charge as if it was hardware. Several companies trying this approach atm. Sooner or later this will get cannibalized by cheap Chinese solutions. There is just way too little IP in writing a lock-in amp or frequency analyzer when you already have the full signal sampled.
1000 AUSSIE BUCKS what's that like 200 USD? LOL.. NO, apparently it's $666 US, how evil. I thought the big boy was $500US lol... And then 1k per instrument. HMM... PRICEY. Edit: $25K for all instruments and future instruments is kind of nice. I don't even use my little $500 entry guy. I don't know how to...
You can tell he's a salesperson that has no idea what he's doing. "A photonic measurements for photon".
Keep watching (or read the video description), he's the mechanical engineer who worked on the housing and thermal stuff.
and @user-qn4ct1hq6w instantly disqualifies himself as not being a decent human
A specialized person would be better to give more technical details about a product that cost 15K . Or maybe they already have a solid number of customers and they don't care too much.
He was probably there with somebody else and Dave just happened to catch the moment when the others had wandered off to lunch, or use the the loo, or whatever. 🙂