Transatlantic trolling: What is Europe's answer to Musk's attacks? • FRANCE 24 English
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2025
- Elon Musk really doesn't like British Prime Minister Keir Starmer. This Monday saw Starmer hit back at Musk after days of silence, saying the world's richest man was spreading "lies and misinformation" with his attacks on the British leader and one of his ministers on X. More broadly, what is Europe to do about X owner Musk's trolling of sitting governments and support for the far right?
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hi from Copenhagen, boy I'm so tired of all those oligarchs. and wanna be dictators.
I thought I free speech
@@Simon45-v9t Elon got rich from European and US taxes and exporting jobs to China and India
why not challenge the tweets you disagree with? or can't you do that?
The oligarchs is calling "arresting people out of tweets" or "stand by doing nothing as all hell breaks loose"
I don't think a Wannabe dictator would gladly call dictator to another.
Musk can be many things, but calling him an hypocrite is beyond stupid.
Why is EU using twitter? That should be the question.
I agree.
True
That's how the world feels about western products, but when we reject them we are called "communists" who don't want a free market. Taste your medicine
Governments around the globe own all of us the regulations of social media. They came unprecedented and no one ever regulated it.
Surprised no one said the obvious: the "centre right" appears to lack courage because they seek to benefit and are on track to do so.
Yeah, I'd agree with you. In the UK centre right is the Labour party, they would benefit, and have done from splitting the extreme right and hard right vote. It's a dangerous game though as what was centre left has to incrementally shift right, as the hard right forever play catch up with the extreme right. Meanwhile, nothing gets sorted for ordinary people.
The UK has been interfering in other countries affairs for 2 hundred years, including recently. So don't complain now you are fed your own medicine. What Musk's giving you now is nothing compared what you've been giving to other countries!
The lady speaking from Amsterdam is very good, as well as his idiosyncratic and Ego.
He is also against European regulations, which is why he is interfering in Europe
If Musk’s goal is to minimize governmental burdens on his businesses, wouldn’t he be trying to “play the game” (lobbyists, rhetorical civility) instead of inviting the blazing ire of the regulators themselves?
I mean, what she offered was, by definition, a conspiracy theory. She theorized that Musk is conspiring with Trump and other nationalist leaders to break down the EU system/government…so Musk has less regulations burdening X/Tesla/SpaceX.
Lol that’s outlandish and delusional.
There is no Lady from Amsterdam😂😂
You think you’re funny but you’re a moron
Another tragic charachter that America helped create and will ruin.
Everyone get out of Twitter. My employer just quit their account and so did my city. I'm from Finland and proud of both 👍
Loving the Bluesky community
And Meta, Instagram, Facebook et al! Every subscriber enables the deplorables!
Superb podcast. I would only note that the mild speculation about Musk’s character and psychology is wide of the mark. Musk is a psychopath. He even looks like a James Bond villain. Trump also is a psychopath, with a 50 year documented record of being so. In fact, you could start down the list of prominent Republicans… Well, I’ll spare you that. And I say all this as an American: watch out for the American psychopath. It’s a very big country, and we’re swimming in this sort of personality, from Wall Street to Washington, and especially to Silicon Valley.
Bond villains have more realistic plans and look less weird.
More like the Austin Powers Villain - He looks like "Mini Me"
You yourself are a psychopath. As you tend to dehumanize others.
"vote democrat" he says 🤣🤦
Musk does not have a cabinet position. He is going make suggestions.
@@lindaSmith6588 😂
😂
Musk is not attacking Europe. He's criticizing it. Europe has never been shy about criticizing America. It's practically their national sport. Just because Musk is a billionaire, it doesn't mean that he must give up his right to speak his mind freely. Nowadays, Europe so tightly controls speech that they don't know how to deal with that. Europe actually fears free speech and sees it as a threat. Musk is powerful, but he's not nearly as powerful as all of Europe and its collective media. Why don't you just debate him and attempt to prove him wrong?
Or just ignore him. Instead, your first reaction is to try to search for a way to silence him. What does that say about the state of democracy in Europe?
What are you so afraid of?
@@fernandoamy8278 we do not like hate speech. The stuff he is throwing out on x seems to be mainly insults. This is not how one can have a debate. Also why is he doing it? What are his real motives? He is not a political instance , party representing a part of the population. He has his own commercial interests behind all this. This has nothing to do with free speech or not, he feels free to switch off on his platform whoever he does not like.. even some of his Maga friends lately.
@@DoobidoobidoohahaYou have a free twitter account? Or do you believe only what you hear? Why do you oppose democratic civil society by wanting to impose North Korean style top-down authoritarian gulag censorship?
@@DoobidoobidoohahaAnd he doesn’t like a hateful demography. And Europe has a hateful demography. When someone says something you don’t agree with, that’s not necessarily hate speech.
Musk has weight, especially since he became an advisor to the president elect. Otherwise we would hardly see so much echo. He is entitled to his opinion but he needs to decide if he wants to be a private person or a politician. As a politician he carries responsibility for the impact of his words.
And i doubt he has done the homework on the programs and history of the parties he endorses. Otherwise he would be careful throwing his lot in with a party that has holocaust-deniers in their leadership.
@Doobidoobidoohaha What is hate speech? Who gets to define it? That's just a lame excuse used by the left to silence those that they disagree with. Anyone can accuse anyone else of using hate speech. It just depends on your point of view. That's why free speech must not be curtailed. Then everyone can have their say.
Ignore Musk or consider his points. No matter, have your own convictions.
This Elon Musk thing is a descent into a horror scenario for the US and the West in general. For once in the history of democracy, the world is confronted with the spectre of a lone-wolf private individual with infinite resources embarking on a concerted onslaught on the institutions of governance and cohesion in the civilized world. And, for once, the entirety of western leadership cadre is at a loss as to how to deal with the guy. In fact, the Musk spectre has thrown western leadership into disarray.
Hes like a bond villain surrounded by other villains, he has starlink up there, better investigate that.
Looking forward to France 24's piece on say, what we do about Soros's or Qatar's meddling in Europe's affairs.
Soros, the obsession of the far right.
As an American; know that Musk is a threat to European and American security
Yeah, vehicular mayhem in Berlin and New Orleans remind us of high level of security in EU and USA right now.
@@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477 As an American; I say that's nonsense.
He has openly declared a war of disinformation on Europe. Europe should understand teh threat and act accordingly.
Failure by Europe to protect it's citizens from this open warfare is a dereliction of duty. Spreading disinformation is not freedom of speech.
Still having Trump hangover 😂
Western leaders always have something to say about non-Western countries and leaders. Why can't Musk - a Western citizen - have a say on Western issues and Western leaders?
Ya, they are getting the taste of their own medicine. and they are finding it very bitter.
Musk should keep quiet for a whole. His opinion is simply just his opinion. He is not special in any way.
He is an American citizen. Stay away from Europe.
EUROPE is now about the only guard rail left to scrutinise this right wing activity
Europeans are too busy getting fitted for burkas.
There is no country in Europe which is not in actual danger to fall for far right...
Democracy is in trouble - because economy is not too good - because we have climate change and so....
*"The main driver of Climate Change historical?"* Western Democracies
You’re too pompous.
Afd and FN coming for you. 😂
Its not a cabinet position. Its a made up position.
Europe has been meddling in Africa politics in pretext of helping democracy now someone has came to their countries and done the same they act like its a new invention 😂
Sure let's perpetuate the imperialistic attitude that's very smart 😂😂
Sure right after you tell Europe to stop
There's no law in your part of the world. Your laws sucks.
they are not attacks, it's what many people think, he's just being a critical voice, that's why the EU hate him so much. Look how his comments on child r**e gangs in the UK has upset Kier Starmer, Starmers response is pure hate.....he never talks about the little girls who are the victims?
The EU isn't a state.
He is *not* critical of us, he is much worse, he's meddling with the democratic process.
Elon Musk should shut up, and the a-hole f off.
He is telling to ban Trump rather than criminals
Why is Elon Musk's position on 'freedom' in the West so diametrically opposite to his position on actual freedom in, say, China and Russia not being discussed here?
The reasons to me are clear: first, Musk is doing it because the freedom precept in the West makes it possible for him to do so. Secondly, Musk has the resources to enable him and his whims. And, thirdly, he's attempting to shift the balance of the regulatory predisposition in Europe to align with the American milieu where the corporations are in supreme control of society and the levers of power and influence.
Where is the so called free speech propogated by Europe now ?
Don t know if i'm the only one but not buying a new tesla after this..
At least musk does his medelling public - so everything is open for all to see. Unlike the cia - who has been medelling in other countries for many many years. Regimechanges are their speciality.
If there are no regulations, there are no business, that is people’s right to demand…
Starmer and sholtz are not Europe, he didn't attack entire continent
Trust me, Musk will! Just wait!
Why is it that Europeans refer to everyone who isn’t on the left as the far right?
You drank that cool aid, right?
Haarlem is NOT a suburb of Amsterdam!!!
Far left media talking about far right 😂😂😂
This isn't the "far left" media, not even close. Liberal, centrist, or centre-left maybe.
Funny Europe certifies world's election but when someone asks them questions they start complaining 😂
We will overcome. Don’t worry.
What's the question again?
What question?
Lol whats the question?
@Ju88327No you wont.
The EU should charge Musk wirh interfering and take appropriate actions!!!
Yeah, good luck with that. 😭
We already had that in Europe 80 years ago and it did not work out as intended.
They can’t since the EU itself actively interfered in American elections
Is he telling any lies?
How about fixing real problems 😂😂
Most European leaders have a problem responding intelligently and sensibly to what Musk is saying; if and when they can and should.
For the best BS, always tune in to France 24.
When we see the streets of Europe and Justice system in UK.
My brain is not able to connect dots
How many times can you say "Right wing extremists"?
"Social media had dramatically changed the curiation of information in our democracies and we do not have the transparency and accountability" - Marietje Schaake
Wait, isn't that the opposite?
Europe should grow a spine and stop whining. Europe is very good at pointing the finger at different countries and threatening this or that if they do not follow their agenda. Europe, you are so full of it!
You described Elon Musk perfectly.
Also, if Musk doesn't like the rules in Europe he can do business elsewhere.
Europe complaining about foreign meddling while meddling in Georgia , sending party members to USA for Kamala Harris ….europe is hilarious 😂😂😂
To call Elon Musk a national-Socialist or fascist is ridiculous, he's not a socialist, rather a libertarian. Big difference. He is right about socialist brainwashing in mainstream media, France 24 is a great example.
He comes from that national socialist background through his family
I disagree
LOL.
Musk self radicalized on his own platform. lol.
May be masturbation is his thing...?
Calling for your critics to be silenced, fined, and jailed over Tweets seems a lot more authoritarian than someone just making those social media posts.
You clearly missed the point of this conversation
I would love to debate these people. Why are Europeans so afraid of pitting ideas against one another. Isn’t that how we make progress? These people seem to think that only people who “ disagree with them “ are the ones living in an information bubble.
Is not only syria, or meaddle east. Cuba or venezuila, the world politics in changing big time may be karma😂
Starmer did fail.
X should be left as an echo chamber for the post truth “b rollicking “ community!. The rest of us should move onto a space where we can figure out how to get the world back on track.
Diplomacy won't work with this movement just direct action.
What a mess 🤯🤦
Is the size of that desk necessay. Ugh ridiculous grasp at legitimacy. Lobbiests and think tank propoganda.
What governments can do is set no limit to fines. A $400 Billion fine might make me think twice.
They can set it. He’ll never pay it. And good luck on collecting it.
@Kenlwallace Fine him for what? For speaking his mind?For daring to criticize a bunch of thin skinned Europeans? If Europe should go down that road ... America would just have to respond in kind. Maybe we'll just slap Europe with a trillion dollar fine. How does that sound to you?
And how would such a fine be enforced? By wishful thinking?
Fine him for what exactly? Also even if it was a law, who would enforce it on a US citizen?
Facebook and Google have been fined in the past by the EU. 400 billion is ridiculous, but let's say, 1 billion can be closer to reality.
Lady's on point
Lady? She is from Amsterdam😂😂
Ha ha 😂 Europe falling for one individual. Wake up and smell the coffee. Look at what has happened to the Western European countries in the past decade.
Cool to know...X
Excellent analysis 👍🇬🇧
Total melt down. People unwilling to accept a "different approach".
He’s interfering and using his Propaganda platform to create his position as a world leader.
15:51 "Authoritarian-Libertarian forces". Sorry what?
Libertarian in Europe has a negative image. It's a bit better than fascist. Libertarian means someone who advocate for the completly free market with the state only having a role in justice and security
Look who is talking. Trump finally found someone who can get him to shut up
Tax X
I'm not sure what the British will do, but we do know that the French will run away.
I hope the world will show their disgust with Musk by not buying a Tesla car.
His actual liquid assets are not as great as his paper value based on stock performance - that is the route to his demise.
All these immature boys who somehow have become ridiculously rich without making much difference to the lives of others or understanding them. There should be push back. Just getting out of X won’t help as the messages are conveyed by the press on traditional press.
Vassal states [EU] Of US , not Europe . correct the headlines please
Nobody ever buy Tesla.
China's BYD: Thanks doing business with you
As other manufacturers start producing cars that are cheaper and better people will I believe use their 'consumer power' and curtail Musks influence. Chinese cars already are a better buy in countries where they can be sold without tariffs applied to them
Oh look the little trolls in the comments.... Ready on the starting blocks to flood France 24, Dw, Bbc, etc.with their comments. Quick, feed them some peanuts.
Ooooh , yes please! Feed me baby!
I think many of them are just bots, tbh. At least I hope there are no supposedly sentient humans behind these inane comments in support of Musk to the detriment of European democracy. Socia media is so toxic, we'll have to develop good antibodies. Too many bad actors out there trying their best to destabilise peace.
I want to pour some love around you. Will u allow me to.
Ban twitter, ban everything elon owns and he will shut up.
As an Englishman I am grateful to Musk for standing up against for the common man.
The common billionaire - you meant.
No, the common man's child who got drugged and raped and then silenced because of the policies pushed by people like those sitting on this panel. As soon as they address his points about grooming gangs and voice the very reasonable position of deportation-for-all I'll listen to their push against Musk's undue influence. This only makes me think they're protecting their useful criminals.
Not so happy 😞
This is a society and people's safety and wellbeing must be protected at all costs. Regulation now!
She is correct! Because this is a new, made up position, he will get around ethics is my guess, as I served in congress during the next Trump administration.
As a hardcore American patriot, I don't expect our transatlantic vassals to speak up. ☺
Quiet hick
You expect to be feed lines from who then 😅?
You're a native American??? I wonder....
???? Your president and government is a vassal to a South African though.
I'm Irish, we're looking at our laces😂
Well like the main theme media in the United States the left-wing socialist party controls the media in Europe and frankly they don't like the conservative viewpoint at all so UK has deemed the right as well as Germany they call them far-right they call them fascist they do the same kind of trolling of conservative speak so I'm very happy that elan is now fighting back of this socialist Communist plot😂😂😂😂
@@TomCotton-p6y You should leave it up to us , the people who live and vote here, what we deem a left or far right party. We can read their manifestos and make up our mind.
@@DUIDave-s1k How refreshing!
They don’t like Truth either 😂
Ignore him... stop giving him oxygen
Yeah...that American views..but for X if everyone follow the laws nothing will happen...but thanks to know...what they try to do...X... yeah unknown place...still learn... from both side......x...
What is worrying these Europeans? You go around certifying elections in other countries and lecture them? When someone shows the Europeans the mirror, you whine?
Amazing how so many people admire or fear loud mouth Musk
European problems are everyone problems......right?
😂😂😂
I am enjoying this transatlantic trolling 😂
Oh okay. So now you're going to teach the Americans international law. Let's see how that goes 😅
International law will never have any meaning unless there is some sort of world government (or body)that has the means to enforce the law .Powerful countries will always ignore any ruling they see as against their best interests
Not well. Gun law is about their speed....
Has Musk done anything besides yapping? Why treat his blather as any different to any other celeb?
French neocolonialism is out, so maybe some innovative engineering would encourage things like home food production, like neighborhood organizations with subsidized gardening of healthy foods. Fruit trees on public lands, etc.
Who is Musk controlled by is it Bitcoin China
Musk let's talk about CCP.
Well, Imane Khalif took law suit
How lovely. One sided conversations _as usual_ from mainstream media. Thank god we have X.
Well, Musk is using his enormous loudspeaker to mess with our communities. He has too much sway for just one solitary man.
Musk is beloved all around the world, he is considered a genius and a person who moves civilisation forward. His word carries a lot of credibility far more then PM of UK, or Chancellor in Germany. When Musk talks, people listen and believe. It will be interesting whether he will be able to help get AfD take power and whether he can help bring down the Labour in UK?
We don't all admire him. Not at all.
Soro for left
Musk for right ..
So if Musk supported Scholtz,would they be complaining like this?
I stopped listening @ trump whisperer
This is a comment for the Algo boost!
He’s in training to become leader of the world, with the help from him Propaganda machine.
His followers are in lockstep.
I always thought his ultimate plan was to become the king of Mars
Just keep voting Labour.
Lol
Go Musk!!!!!
Please stop
Ban Tesla
😁...X like British opinion...
Pysops for h1b visa
😂😂😂😂😂😂 see bold lier😂
Request to France 24, please switch off comments.
Don't look fool
Don't like people's opinions? Don't read them then.
Opinions, constructive criticism, yes. Insults, no. I guess some people are not able to make the difference .
@@oonda6812Show me an example of constructive crticisem , go on cristicise me constructively...😂
You rather hide your face with your hands so that you don't see the barking dog, if you don't see it then it's not there right?🤣🤣🤣
❤️❤️ We love Elon ❤❤
No we don't.
Europe has an opinion about everybody's business but nobody can have an opinion about theirs lol. A taste of their own medicine.