People hatin on Ramee but they don’t know when he’s on Conan he’s the only commanding officer that doesn’t strike people that doesn’t send people off duty and that exposed the discord about how much other commanding officers (your faves more specifically) cry about the dumbest shit. “Why are they calling rat strats, rat strats?” Like what the fuck.
And the croc martell situation the other day where he striked croc but after seeing more footage he went and removed the strike points. Wonan is sbs but he's also pretty fair
@@lewisnewlands2550 if it was civ RP I'd say sure probably could be called as meta, but being in PD I'd view it as either 1. "Viewing body cam footage" or 2. "Watching Camera footage from evidence room".
@@lewisnewlands2550 for context they have discord servers that are strictly rp discord servers. Meaning that they can share info over discord while it not being considered meta or ooc.
This all disrespect to high comand showing how this new cops never have clash with Soze or Andrews , They not only will be gettting off Duty Strike Points and for Spartan he will be demoted for doing this shit like 3 times to Pred Aj and Conan . Sadge plizzz Soze come back .
41:41 Spartan: "What I'm telling you right now is that if you give me a valid reason already and said hey spartan can you please come talk to me on the side." 1: Conan is higher rank than Spartan. 2: Conan said was an order to not go there. 3: Spartan willingly ignored the order and became hostile in radio when Conan told Spartan to leave the "crime site". Why would Conan think being nice was something that would move Spartan when Spartan didn't listen to orders that was non personal to SPartan in the first place?
Yeah that's the part that annoyed me the most. It's like Spartan's entire argument is that Ramee should've pulled him aside to let him know why he shouldn't be at Otto's when Clarkson has literally no obligation to do so. It's literally the exact opposite. Spartan had no ground to stand on
Respect is earned. Conan gets no respect because he doesn't earn it. Ramee has been busy with his SBS shenanigans with Chang Gang and not playing his cop character in MONTHS. Honestly, if a cop doesn't log in for a month or more they should instantly be busted back to cadet. That's a fucking waste of a PD seat, especially a command seat.
@@JustPlainRob Respect is irrelevant. A little advice from the real world: you salute the rank, not the man. When someone is above you in the chain of command, sure respect is great to have, but an order is an order.
Number 1 role in being a superior you don't disrespect any officer employee or whatever in front of others. You immediately pull him or her to the side . Ramee outranking him and letting the whole department know on the radio is unprofessional . conduct unbecoming of an police officer
@@Reduxmobile If a specific order is disobeyed & you react like he did the second time it’s stated then you deserve to get scolded in front of everyone.
Omg Spartan is twisting it. I can get that Spartan has bad self esteem and takes everything bad but what Conan did was to respond to what Spartan said...
Why is everyone kissing Ramee's ass in these comments? Dude made an illegal call to demand officers ignore a shooting and then placed himself as commanding officer of the scene which is obviously a conflict of interest. He then proceeds to bribe the chickens and witnesses to drop the case, giving the reason he didn't want other officers on scene. Spartan, didn't do anything wrong, he was definitely in his rights, and can definitely have Conan removed from the force for corruption, misconduct, and giving wrongful orders.
@@G_Binze dude I was thinking the exact same thing like he's literally witness tampering and telling him not to respond to a shots fired call at a place of business which in itself is a high priority call like why tell someone to not respond to that call
@@kiinkii_panda7820 also Conan was literally the one twisting it saying that Spartan was cussing at him on the radio and half the shit Conan said was radio chat was actually said in person. And him saying it wasn't about Spartan showing up on the scene is the fattest lie. That's literally what started his fit. He was saying that as soon as he saw Spartan on scene. Ramee gets a little ooc annoyed that his character isn't getting the respect he believes is deserved and started being irrational af.
@@G_Binze Ramee always gets ooc mad and just malds and talks about how Spartan doesn't listen and he just interrupts him yet Ramee will just talk to chat and not pay attention to everything Spartan is saying and talk non stop and interrupt people. The problem with Ramee is he doesn't RP any special characters he just plays as himself
9/10 I would go against orders again. In the real world you would just be fired on the spot for admitting the majority of time you would go against superior. Not saying I disagree with him but most would be fired on the spot for that omission. He also at the end slipped up and did say first that he targets only clarkson. Then fixed it when given the opportunity of I'm sorry you think I only target you.
Spartan also lied about how he went down because he heard just last week that Conan was still banned so he knew he was doing something wrong by even being there. Conan was unbanned right after the trial and that was over two and a half months ago. He hasn’t had a problem with Otto’s since and he’s been there a lot since then. He’s on duty at least a couple times a week. When Bundy and Ripley are agreeing that Spartan was in the wrong there’s definitely a problem with him.
Its pretty obvious where Spartans intent was... he wishes he had a bigger pen. As a viewer, its Hella annoying watching lamers play it off like it's rping and not their own personal vendetta
btw what is up with spartan? is he having a bad day? he acting a little weird. I remember when randy got in the same situation with spartan. It was when CB did their very first vault (correct me if I'm wrong) Spartan wanted to breach (which will not value the hostages life) and AJ/randy the commanding officer at that time said specifically to do not breach. they got into an argument and he sent him off duty..
Yh he made a comment like "why not give them a foot rub as well" because he gave them time for the hostage, also called him a p***y a** b*tch, Aj called him out and the same exact situation took place as seen here, where he says something about not being around often and just doing his job. Kinda weird if you ask me.
Spartan was trying to appeal to rippley that whole time instead of conan. If he had come clean and been totally honest with conan he probably wouldn’t have been sepuspended
With ramee ooc and ic are a lil close but whenever spartan says the whole your never on duty thing it does seem like a lil ooc jab but spicy rp is fun to watch
Worst part is that if Spartan handled the situation like he was supposed to, Conan would've been the one on the other side of the table to his superior.
Good for ramee, he should have just suspended him after talking with Ridley though. Why let them handle it third times the charm with this d bag. No one cares what scene you do NOT disobey a direct order.
@@luxurious9056 then why egos clashing so hard and people IC/OOC take it all so personally. Tbh whole things funny to be since it's just a dumb situation getting blown way out of proportion
No,IRL a cop wouldnt start a formal investigation on another cop that is a superior and is also part of the higher up officers,thats how you get fired,corruption in any police departments exist,the way spartan did it was teh most brain dead way if he wanted to find corruption
Coming from not a single police officer . If ramee was involved in officer shooting regardless of rank it's no longer his crime screen . For the reason of conflict of interest
Ppl don’t realize that disobeying an order from a higher up in any job is considered insubordination. You don’t need to like the person, but you do need to respect the rank. Edit: I wrote this before watching the entire thing. So when Rippley said “insubordination” I literally knife handed and said “exactly” 😂
thats the thing, im pretty sure alot of other cops disobey clarkson and other higher ranks, but they don't disrespect those higher ranks while doing it like spartan does
@@MrAirZone25 IMO they should be sent off duty the if they cant fall in line. I mean its RP. No one would do that in real life. If they did they would be fired
@@MrAirZone25 oh I think repeating offenders deserve to be fired, don’t get me wrong. Especially that dude. It’s a game tho at the end of the day. Seeing how real life civs aren’t involved and no one can actually get hurt/die, then I don’t think firing someone is necessary. I think they should be given a chance to redeem themselves then fired if they wanna act like Spartan. I totally agree with you
@@specialk9762 No you don't, workers don't have to do everything their boss tells them to do. Especially in federal positions, where anyone can go above anyone's head. Also as a boss, losing your calm like Conan did is just asking to be ignored.
You don't know the context then. The reason Conan wants no one to respond to this call is because Conan is the one who illegally shot someone there. Conan is trying to hide evidence of this, and suspending the other officer over it is scummy.
@@reactioncafe2373 How don’t i know the whole context I watched it all , he let the female officers do the report the problem was insubordination he still has to listen even if it is scummy
@@bluebarryyogurt6977 Lol this is the problem with people who think the RP can/should only go one way. Spartan's doing his job, there's a limit to following orders, like a cop leaving a scene with gunshots, telling everyone to no go to the scene and to ignore the 911 call. Spartan's problem is not going up the chain of command and just outright disrespecting Conan on the radio, he should have spoken to whoever was superior to Conan and asked for their permission.
@@bluebarryyogurt6977 Right that is before he said he wants "no one responding to the scene". Then when someone does respond it's oh I want you off the scene. Then you are getting striked. You are going off duty. I want someone else now handling the scene. Maybe it's hard to miss since Conan's reasoning went downhill fast but this is and was obstruction of justice. So the way Spartan went about it was 100% wrong if he wanted to get at Conan again but the series of events leading up to it was definitely wrong by Conan. What could be done if this happens is to sue in civil court and just have all the witnesses show up along with officers testifying that they were ordered not to show up to the crime scene by a superior officer and culprit.
@@ShutThePuck sorry but you are just wrong. Idk if there is a video of it, but when Conan, Ripley, and Spartan were talking in the office, Ripley read off the definition of insubordination and it fit perfectly with what spartan did. It doesn't matter how Spartan felt in that situation, if you disobey direct orders from a LT and argue with a superior on the radio, you deserve punishment. However, Spartan has done this 3 or 4 times now, so I think a LONG suspension or de-ranking him down to regular officer or even cadet would be a fit punishment.
Well as stupid as it seems in certain cases, it would be absolute chaos otherwise. Sure some people abuse and dont deserve to be into a higher rank but if everyone said "I don't thing you should ao I do what I want". Could you imagine how that would go?
@@AndTecks Just to add on to what you're saying- a lot of people would all end up wanting to be the leader is every situation. They would all want to be the hero at all times, but in times, a simple follower could be very useful. A command structure keeps everything organized and helps to prevent things from being utter chaos of everyone trying to do everything without an sort of order or teamwork. People in command generally have an idea of what they're doing, but some fresh new guy won't and, say we went to the military reference OP said, that could very well get people killed. Command structures allow for strategy which is essential to every battle.
i hope someone sees this comment, but i think some ppl (viewers) are taking this as ooc , i like to keep the emersion and that this is all rp and if so then this cop should be fired bc this would not happen irl
@Pixeltrix he ordered everyone not to go because he was covering up his crime. Any cop who actually wanted to do their job would ignore that order. Clearly didn't misunderstand any situation when what I said literally happened lol
The guy with the white hat is wrong the chain of command doesn’t tell you what to do your is to protect and serve the community so this whole situation is completely wrong and Ripley is in the right and the officers are not do their job
because it [the situation at Otto's] wasn't a serious RP moment. They [Clarkson and the gang members, specifically Marty] were fucking around. Basically they were treating the moment as the game GTA, and not as an RP GTA server. It's basically the same thing as you fucking around with friends on any game. Shooting a friend in a game for laughs essentially, but not doing it with the intent to team kill them or something. It wasn't serious at all. But then Spartan took it upon himself to make it into a serious RP moment because of OOC issues with Clarkson, potentially. Clarkson brings up the point of Spartan doing something like this to AJ Hunter as well. The link being that both streamers (Ramee and RatedEpicz) both have crim characters that are in the same gang (Chang Gang). Because of this, they don't come around on their cop characters often, as say Spartan does, and Spartan has some weird issue with that OOC. So therefore, he is essentially targeting them to get them out of command over petty bullshit like this instance. Of course this is speculative, but it could definitely be inferred as the reason why this whole thing ended up being blown out of proportion. But even after all of that, in the end it didn't really matter to Ramee (Clarkson) if Spartan disobeyed his order to not go to Otto's. It was the blatant disrespect for his commanding role over the radio, and then the off-hand OOC comments about if Spartan was a Ranger, he'd be a Lieutenant too, and if Ramee came around on his cop character more often he would know what to do (basically saying he'd know how to be a better cop). Which, again, is just totally uncalled for. It's a game. You are allowed to have fun, but Spartan made it not fun because he decided to puff out his chest, and be petty. That's the jist of this whole thing. Hope that explains it better.
over the 24 hour period, yeah that sounds about right. lots of cops came over from NoPixel purple server. sometimes there are 32+ cops on the server is at 280 right now so its quite balanced IMO
299, if you are talking about the car... no one wants to swap the numbers everytime they pull it out, so they just change the "livery" for it (the fancy color or letters on the sides) Then again im unsure if all the cars have all the numbers... usually the cars and numbers are just spread out varying from departments
Ok so recap: ramee tells the guy and his partner to not be on the scene: he then gets in an arguement with spartan tells spartan to leave makes spartan’s partner keep on the scene and then he acts like the partner being on scene excuses him? Bruh wth is this logic
I hate martys rp character he has no morals an would betray his friends in a instant. It's his personality..... if he was real he wouldn't be as popular as he is on this game haha
But... The whole thing is an issue on Conan.... Direct order over the officer that was the entire reason for the call in the first place.. Thats fucking dumb to try and spin on Spartan. Im not a huge spartan fan, but this is just pushing your power over someone you dont like... Thats literally it rofl.
Did you even watch the video? It's literally just SOP's You obey your commanding officers orders regardless if you agree with them. If Spartan just respected his order and took it up with Conan's superior like Ripley said Conan would be the one getting talked to. You don't just get to pick and choose when to listen to your superiors lol. It's very clear Spartan has an issue with listening to command.
child was just trying to cover up his bullshit, and he knew Spartan would actually press the correct charges, hence why he wanted Ensley to handle the scene 😂😂😂😂
idk spartan was kinda right, if in real life a cop killed a civilian and my superior cop is trying to tell me to not respond to that, i would be sus of my superior
It's fine to be sus of your superior for that. Spartan's right on having the sus, but he's not right on his actions for the sus. Spartan's not IA. He's not in command. He doesn't get to disobey the superior; if anything doing so tarnishes whatever case he tries to build up. If Rhodes told him "Investigate Conan's corruption, you act under my authority" is very different from Spartan's "I think Conan is corrupt, I'm not going to listen to him." If we were to go down the real life route, Spartan would be fired and nothing would be done to Conan because he went about it like a cowboy.
I watched this whole thing last night. Conan 100% committed a crime, then tried to cover it up. I agree 100% Spartan was insubordinate, and should have listened to Conan, and maybe taken it higher in the chain if he had an issue, but what started this whole situation is that Conan broke the law and tried to pull rank to cover it up. Every time I see Conan, he always (whether joking or not) says that he is a LT and that he should be respected. I love Ramee but this power trip shit is weak af
Granted I only saw this video, but from what it seemed like to me is that Ramee and the other guys were just fucking around, and then it was Spartan who came in, blatantly disrespecting his superior in order to make something out of nothing. Like, Marty was trying to gain something from a situation that wasn't even that serious, and *that's* why Ramee told people not to respond to the call. Essentially, it was as if Clarkson and Marty were fucking around with each other, Clarkson ended up shooting Marty, and Marty was running the bit to the end of it's rope in order to gain something out of it. It's RP, sure, but it's not like every little thing has to be taken seriously like Spartan was doing. I got the feeling like Clarkson and Marty were fucking around, like friends do in shooters. You know, shooting each other for laughs and what not.
Are people actually taking Ramee’s side here? He was literally ordering an officer to leave the scene of a shooting. And shooting he was involved in. Clarkson should be fired for trying to cover up a crime.
You know AJ Hunter was trained by Soze 4+ years ago who then trained most of the current main PD members and way before they had viewers. Soze calls him his one man army for a reason.
@@user-gh5zo7vx4b big facts. And the ranger dept always got the short end of the stick that Conan was literally considering finally transferring to trooper and if they didn't let him he would just leave pd because they just kept putting up barriers on him. Only this year was he promoted to lt and became head of the ranger dept
@@chris.breadman "i dont care if he stays on scene but who does he think hes talking to" he literally told him to get off scene causing an argument use ur brain LMAO
Ramee have big ego really but in this case he is in the right to what all he did the other police officer is so stupid no for going there but for all the shit he said after
I mean ye ramee/conan think's he's hard, but im pretty sure "do you know who you're talking to" is referring to spartan saying "you can take it up with my command" whilst clarkson is exactly that, his superior..
@@Dylan-ci3lz my comment refers to him talking to chat - not IC - which is why it says ''who does he think hes talking to'' and not ''do you know who you're talking to'' bud.
Got to give it to Ramee; he's arrogant most of the time, but here he is self-aware enough to know to try to pull in other influential, established command staff to back him up because he knows his authority is in name only. That "you're never around" reminded him of that.
What do you mean by he has authority is in name only? Clarkson’s authority is very much a real thing, and that’s the problem lower ranks act like it isn’t. Not only is Clarkson a lieutenant he’s one of the dual leaders of a department of the Unified Police Force of Los Santos. That “you’re never around” comment was just as ineffective as when he said it to AJ Hunter. Spartan is a low ranking officer with delusions of grandeur. This isn’t his first instance of insubordination. He has now on at least three separate occasions demonstrated a general disregard for the command structure. I do not foresee much more leniency in his future. This is his third strike he should be out.
The beggining reminds me of that time when aj put spartan in his place, that one clip living in my head rent free
You mean that one time at the vault?
@@BM-is5ei yess
I vaguely remember this lol but I remember AJ put him in his place. I gotta go find it now
@@Duality333 ua-cam.com/video/oh4ovNmAahg/v-deo.html i got the short clip saved
@@tasa98 MVP
35:30, Ripley's whole statement basically encompasses everything that needs be said about the whole situation.
I haven't seen much about Spartan but whenever I do he is doing something wrong.
I love the Budda/Ramee basketball banter
People hatin on Ramee but they don’t know when he’s on Conan he’s the only commanding officer that doesn’t strike people that doesn’t send people off duty and that exposed the discord about how much other commanding officers (your faves more specifically) cry about the dumbest shit. “Why are they calling rat strats, rat strats?” Like what the fuck.
And the croc martell situation the other day where he striked croc but after seeing more footage he went and removed the strike points. Wonan is sbs but he's also pretty fair
@@Diesel33g fax props to conan
@@Diesel33g in terms of rp doesn’t that count as meta gaming? I really don’t know about those situations
@@lewisnewlands2550 if it was civ RP I'd say sure probably could be called as meta, but being in PD I'd view it as either 1. "Viewing body cam footage" or 2. "Watching Camera footage from evidence room".
@@lewisnewlands2550 for context they have discord servers that are strictly rp discord servers. Meaning that they can share info over discord while it not being considered meta or ooc.
This all disrespect to high comand showing how this new cops never have clash with Soze or Andrews , They not only will be gettting off Duty Strike Points and for Spartan he will be demoted for doing this shit like 3 times to Pred Aj and Conan . Sadge plizzz Soze come back .
41:41 Spartan: "What I'm telling you right now is that if you give me a valid reason already and said hey spartan can you please come talk to me on the side."
1: Conan is higher rank than Spartan.
2: Conan said was an order to not go there.
3: Spartan willingly ignored the order and became hostile in radio when Conan told Spartan to leave the "crime site".
Why would Conan think being nice was something that would move Spartan when Spartan didn't listen to orders that was non personal to SPartan in the first place?
Yeah that's the part that annoyed me the most. It's like Spartan's entire argument is that Ramee should've pulled him aside to let him know why he shouldn't be at Otto's when Clarkson has literally no obligation to do so. It's literally the exact opposite. Spartan had no ground to stand on
Respect is earned. Conan gets no respect because he doesn't earn it. Ramee has been busy with his SBS shenanigans with Chang Gang and not playing his cop character in MONTHS.
Honestly, if a cop doesn't log in for a month or more they should instantly be busted back to cadet. That's a fucking waste of a PD seat, especially a command seat.
@@JustPlainRob Respect is irrelevant. A little advice from the real world: you salute the rank, not the man. When someone is above you in the chain of command, sure respect is great to have, but an order is an order.
Number 1 role in being a superior you don't disrespect any officer employee or whatever in front of others. You immediately pull him or her to the side . Ramee outranking him and letting the whole department know on the radio is unprofessional . conduct unbecoming of an police officer
@@Reduxmobile If a specific order is disobeyed & you react like he did the second time it’s stated then you deserve to get scolded in front of everyone.
Omg Spartan is twisting it. I can get that Spartan has bad self esteem and takes everything bad but what Conan did was to respond to what Spartan said...
Why is everyone kissing Ramee's ass in these comments? Dude made an illegal call to demand officers ignore a shooting and then placed himself as commanding officer of the scene which is obviously a conflict of interest. He then proceeds to bribe the chickens and witnesses to drop the case, giving the reason he didn't want other officers on scene. Spartan, didn't do anything wrong, he was definitely in his rights, and can definitely have Conan removed from the force for corruption, misconduct, and giving wrongful orders.
@@G_Binze dude I was thinking the exact same thing like he's literally witness tampering and telling him not to respond to a shots fired call at a place of business which in itself is a high priority call like why tell someone to not respond to that call
@@kiinkii_panda7820 also Conan was literally the one twisting it saying that Spartan was cussing at him on the radio and half the shit Conan said was radio chat was actually said in person. And him saying it wasn't about Spartan showing up on the scene is the fattest lie. That's literally what started his fit. He was saying that as soon as he saw Spartan on scene. Ramee gets a little ooc annoyed that his character isn't getting the respect he believes is deserved and started being irrational af.
@@G_Binze Ramee always gets ooc mad and just malds and talks about how Spartan doesn't listen and he just interrupts him yet Ramee will just talk to chat and not pay attention to everything Spartan is saying and talk non stop and interrupt people. The problem with Ramee is he doesn't RP any special characters he just plays as himself
@@G_Binze it's roleplay bro, go outside
"if mummy says no ask daddy" Im dead...
Shit had me dead
easily the funniest part lol
He says the same shit everytime he said the same to aj in the vault few months back.
People that can’t put there pride aside in an rp server are toxic af.
59:37 my mans in the back looks like he just got a promotion with that strut lol
9/10 I would go against orders again. In the real world you would just be fired on the spot for admitting the majority of time you would go against superior. Not saying I disagree with him but most would be fired on the spot for that omission. He also at the end slipped up and did say first that he targets only clarkson. Then fixed it when given the opportunity of I'm sorry you think I only target you.
Spartan also lied about how he went down because he heard just last week that Conan was still banned so he knew he was doing something wrong by even being there. Conan was unbanned right after the trial and that was over two and a half months ago. He hasn’t had a problem with Otto’s since and he’s been there a lot since then. He’s on duty at least a couple times a week. When Bundy and Ripley are agreeing that Spartan was in the wrong there’s definitely a problem with him.
Its pretty obvious where Spartans intent was... he wishes he had a bigger pen. As a viewer, its Hella annoying watching lamers play it off like it's rping and not their own personal vendetta
Who the fuck is this guy
@@qaso81 It literally is roleplay bud, you're waaay too invested
Conan would be fired already for getting trespassed and then shooting an unarmed dude
btw what is up with spartan? is he having a bad day? he acting a little weird.
I remember when randy got in the same situation with spartan. It was when CB did their very first vault (correct me if I'm wrong) Spartan wanted to breach (which will not value the hostages life) and AJ/randy the commanding officer at that time said specifically to do not breach. they got into an argument and he sent him off duty..
Yh he made a comment like "why not give them a foot rub as well" because he gave them time for the hostage, also called him a p***y a** b*tch, Aj called him out and the same exact situation took place as seen here, where he says something about not being around often and just doing his job. Kinda weird if you ask me.
Spartan has a strong dislike if you wanna call it some might call it a huge Hate Boner for CG and any member of CG. Like a super strong hate for them.
Spartan was trying to appeal to rippley that whole time instead of conan. If he had come clean and been totally honest with conan he probably wouldn’t have been sepuspended
His voice and mic or whatever just rips the rp right out of it. Whenever he talks it just sounds like a dude sitting at a computer complaining
GG funny as fuck holding the cameras right at the entrance lmaaao
I loved the “Grabs Popcorn”
With ramee ooc and ic are a lil close but whenever spartan says the whole your never on duty thing it does seem like a lil ooc jab but spicy rp is fun to watch
Worst part is that if Spartan handled the situation like he was supposed to, Conan would've been the one on the other side of the table to his superior.
That's why you listen to your superior and if there is a problem you take it up the chain of command.thats the only way to prove you are right.
"I wanna larp as a cop but don't want cops above me to take their jobs seriously"
RP*
Not larp my guy that’s the weird shit.
You can fucking walk home **clarkson 2021 😂😂
Spartan does this consistently. Dude actually putting words in peoples mouths, spinning certain things around. What a clown.
I wanna see other perspectives😂
Good for ramee, he should have just suspended him after talking with Ridley though. Why let them handle it third times the charm with this d bag. No one cares what scene you do NOT disobey a direct order.
IRL cops wouldn't investigate a cop shooting especially if the main suspect said not to.
it’s a game..... you don’t have to be hardcore RP
@@luxurious9056 then why egos clashing so hard and people IC/OOC take it all so personally. Tbh whole things funny to be since it's just a dumb situation getting blown way out of proportion
@@luxurious9056 Exactly its RP, but he can still do what he wants, and he chose to do this lol.
No,IRL a cop wouldnt start a formal investigation on another cop that is a superior and is also part of the higher up officers,thats how you get fired,corruption in any police departments exist,the way spartan did it was teh most brain dead way if he wanted to find corruption
Coming from not a single police officer . If ramee was involved in officer shooting regardless of rank it's no longer his crime screen . For the reason of conflict of interest
Ramee I want to give respect for not losing your mind and you not screaming at him
Ppl don’t realize that disobeying an order from a higher up in any job is considered insubordination. You don’t need to like the person, but you do need to respect the rank.
Edit: I wrote this before watching the entire thing. So when Rippley said “insubordination” I literally knife handed and said “exactly” 😂
thats the thing, im pretty sure alot of other cops disobey clarkson and other higher ranks, but they don't disrespect those higher ranks while doing it like spartan does
@@MrAirZone25 IMO they should be sent off duty the if they cant fall in line. I mean its RP. No one would do that in real life. If they did they would be fired
@@greatexchange7310 yea but spartan keeps doing it, and bc its RP they just send him off duty rather then firing him
@@MrAirZone25 oh I think repeating offenders deserve to be fired, don’t get me wrong. Especially that dude.
It’s a game tho at the end of the day. Seeing how real life civs aren’t involved and no one can actually get hurt/die, then I don’t think firing someone is necessary. I think they should be given a chance to redeem themselves then fired if they wanna act like Spartan. I totally agree with you
@@greatexchange7310 Frl this is the third time he's done it as well.
I see both points. Spartan wants to do his job. But u can't do that and disrespect your superiors on radio
doesnt matter if he wants to do his job. if your boss tells you to do something you gotta do it.
@@specialk9762 No you don't, workers don't have to do everything their boss tells them to do. Especially in federal positions, where anyone can go above anyone's head. Also as a boss, losing your calm like Conan did is just asking to be ignored.
@@jackrabbit1704 and as a worker, disobeying your boss gets you fired.
@@jackrabbit1704 disobey your commanding officers in a federal position. See where that lands you.
@@SidestickPilot Break procedures, and rage at your employees to follow your subjective orders and see where that lands you.
lmao Mac at the end .. " what you mean, do my job? " lol
59:37 MACK WALK
I didn’t hear one single good reason why he disobeyed this dude needs to be fired in my opinion
You don't know the context then. The reason Conan wants no one to respond to this call is because Conan is the one who illegally shot someone there. Conan is trying to hide evidence of this, and suspending the other officer over it is scummy.
@@reactioncafe2373 How don’t i know the whole context I watched it all , he let the female officers do the report the problem was insubordination he still has to listen even if it is scummy
@@bluebarryyogurt6977 Lol this is the problem with people who think the RP can/should only go one way. Spartan's doing his job, there's a limit to following orders, like a cop leaving a scene with gunshots, telling everyone to no go to the scene and to ignore the 911 call. Spartan's problem is not going up the chain of command and just outright disrespecting Conan on the radio, he should have spoken to whoever was superior to Conan and asked for their permission.
@@bluebarryyogurt6977 Right that is before he said he wants "no one responding to the scene". Then when someone does respond it's oh I want you off the scene. Then you are getting striked. You are going off duty. I want someone else now handling the scene. Maybe it's hard to miss since Conan's reasoning went downhill fast but this is and was obstruction of justice. So the way Spartan went about it was 100% wrong if he wanted to get at Conan again but the series of events leading up to it was definitely wrong by Conan.
What could be done if this happens is to sue in civil court and just have all the witnesses show up along with officers testifying that they were ordered not to show up to the crime scene by a superior officer and culprit.
@@ShutThePuck sorry but you are just wrong. Idk if there is a video of it, but when Conan, Ripley, and Spartan were talking in the office, Ripley read off the definition of insubordination and it fit perfectly with what spartan did. It doesn't matter how Spartan felt in that situation, if you disobey direct orders from a LT and argue with a superior on the radio, you deserve punishment. However, Spartan has done this 3 or 4 times now, so I think a LONG suspension or de-ranking him down to regular officer or even cadet would be a fit punishment.
Command structure is hilarious. Irl military is the same way.
Well as stupid as it seems in certain cases, it would be absolute chaos otherwise. Sure some people abuse and dont deserve to be into a higher rank but if everyone said "I don't thing you should ao I do what I want". Could you imagine how that would go?
@@AndTecks Just to add on to what you're saying- a lot of people would all end up wanting to be the leader is every situation. They would all want to be the hero at all times, but in times, a simple follower could be very useful. A command structure keeps everything organized and helps to prevent things from being utter chaos of everyone trying to do everything without an sort of order or teamwork. People in command generally have an idea of what they're doing, but some fresh new guy won't and, say we went to the military reference OP said, that could very well get people killed. Command structures allow for strategy which is essential to every battle.
“ I don’t care if he down there or not…..” lololol
lol CG haters still commenting?
It’s funny cause month later pred did this to Conan. And Conan just dm Koil and waited for him to show up. Roleplay its easy to detect.
"I never flaunt my rank" right.... 23:00
Is "At which point..." the only smart phrase he knows? I don't think he even knows what it means.
my man conan
Tessa like O_O uh oh
Someone is a mad little cop that he found out he is not that guy
Go into RP as a Police Officer then gets too emotional all the time lmao cringe asf. Is he thinking that he's on some movie or some shit.
COP IUM spartan got what he deserved and reminiscing watching this clip is so good
Dude thinks he's a real cop LOL
Spartan taking that hella serious 💀💀
I fucking love marty
Any follow up video on this?
Suarez the type of guy that was dropped on his head a lot! as a kid, probably has his mom pay Koil to keep him on Nopixel.
i hope someone sees this comment, but i think some ppl (viewers) are taking this as ooc , i like to keep the emersion and that this is all rp and if so then this cop should be fired bc this would not happen irl
Who's Mr White hoody at 16:15?
timestamp when he talks to bundy?
ima keep it real if marty didnt sound like a 12 year old he'd be a better person to talk to
These comments, lmao
Wowwwee Big Man
Conan and Ripley big body af
At which Point
I like Conan but honestly he could have approached Spartan better about being on scene. Spartan should have just listen to him and shut up.
wait im confused why did he not want anyone to respond to the call of someone being shot?? did he shoot them?
yup
Sbs shit I think
Ahhhh truuuueeee I mean you gotta respect the chain of command
and at which point I said at which point and then said again at which point I need to say at which point
haha i lve this
who plays spartan?
This guy is lost lost.
"I don't care that he's down there", yet tells him to leave because he's down there lol
@Pixeltrix he ordered everyone not to go because he was covering up his crime. Any cop who actually wanted to do their job would ignore that order. Clearly didn't misunderstand any situation when what I said literally happened lol
@Pixeltrix yikes juicer. You're not looking to good right now
crazy, almost like what the streamer cares about is different from what their RP character cares about
Let me translate" omg I hate cg and I dont understand the dynamics of having ranks. Please give me likes because I hate on a popular person "
@@AndTecks lol, yikes juicer that's all you got?
its roleplay if wrangler put ramee in jail for 6hours ramee conan can do what he did
Conan didn't do anything wrong by giving orders... What are you trying to say?
The guy with the white hat is wrong the chain of command doesn’t tell you what to do your is to protect and serve the community so this whole situation is completely wrong and Ripley is in the right and the officers are not do their job
why did clarkson not want anyone at the scene?
because it [the situation at Otto's] wasn't a serious RP moment. They [Clarkson and the gang members, specifically Marty] were fucking around. Basically they were treating the moment as the game GTA, and not as an RP GTA server. It's basically the same thing as you fucking around with friends on any game. Shooting a friend in a game for laughs essentially, but not doing it with the intent to team kill them or something. It wasn't serious at all. But then Spartan took it upon himself to make it into a serious RP moment because of OOC issues with Clarkson, potentially. Clarkson brings up the point of Spartan doing something like this to AJ Hunter as well. The link being that both streamers (Ramee and RatedEpicz) both have crim characters that are in the same gang (Chang Gang). Because of this, they don't come around on their cop characters often, as say Spartan does, and Spartan has some weird issue with that OOC. So therefore, he is essentially targeting them to get them out of command over petty bullshit like this instance. Of course this is speculative, but it could definitely be inferred as the reason why this whole thing ended up being blown out of proportion. But even after all of that, in the end it didn't really matter to Ramee (Clarkson) if Spartan disobeyed his order to not go to Otto's. It was the blatant disrespect for his commanding role over the radio, and then the off-hand OOC comments about if Spartan was a Ranger, he'd be a Lieutenant too, and if Ramee came around on his cop character more often he would know what to do (basically saying he'd know how to be a better cop). Which, again, is just totally uncalled for. It's a game. You are allowed to have fun, but Spartan made it not fun because he decided to puff out his chest, and be petty. That's the jist of this whole thing. Hope that explains it better.
I don't know seems like he can't do his job because people kick him off scenes for no reason.
Is that the uwu girl on a different character?
Aye is conan a dirty cop?
Is this real beef or RP beef
It's all love
I kinda don't like ramee as a cop..ever since day one this dude has been a crook...as far as I know...😂
This guy spartan sounds like a second rate wrangler who uses the excuse of rping to avoid having a small pen 15.
Marty is slowly becoming Yuno.
People here are blaming Ramee for this but actually guys Spartan has to follow the chain of command and the heirarchy.
Mag dump incoming
What ... According to Ripley there are 141 cops on np? Is this true????
over the 24 hour period, yeah that sounds about right.
lots of cops came over from NoPixel purple server.
sometimes there are 32+ cops on
the server is at 280 right now so its quite balanced IMO
With all due respect…insult. I’m sorry..that you feel that way Clarkson, etc etc. Kinda cringe with every word.
people who stay mad outside of rp are fkn weird
Is ramee 205 now? Or he is 299?
Always 299
299, if you are talking about the car... no one wants to swap the numbers everytime they pull it out, so they just change the "livery" for it (the fancy color or letters on the sides)
Then again im unsure if all the cars have all the numbers... usually the cars and numbers are just spread out varying from departments
Ok so recap: ramee tells the guy and his partner to not be on the scene: he then gets in an arguement with spartan tells spartan to leave makes spartan’s partner keep on the scene and then he acts like the partner being on scene excuses him? Bruh wth is this logic
I hate martys rp character he has no morals an would betray his friends in a instant. It's his personality..... if he was real he wouldn't be as popular as he is on this game haha
Can we first talk about his driving cops should not be driving recklessly like that I should sense I study cop stuff
A commanding officer shouldn’t be acting like this
ooc mald
context?
I think Conan illegally shot someone and he wanted to hide the evidence
Hate when people's heads blow up when they get a little power
Imagine being a grown man and doing this shit
Imagine complaining about RP
But... The whole thing is an issue on Conan.... Direct order over the officer that was the entire reason for the call in the first place.. Thats fucking dumb to try and spin on Spartan. Im not a huge spartan fan, but this is just pushing your power over someone you dont like... Thats literally it rofl.
Did you even watch the video? It's literally just SOP's You obey your commanding officers orders regardless if you agree with them. If Spartan just respected his order and took it up with Conan's superior like Ripley said Conan would be the one getting talked to. You don't just get to pick and choose when to listen to your superiors lol. It's very clear Spartan has an issue with listening to command.
child was just trying to cover up his bullshit, and he knew Spartan would actually press the correct charges, hence why he wanted Ensley to handle the scene 😂😂😂😂
idk spartan was kinda right, if in real life a cop killed a civilian and my superior cop is trying to tell me to not respond to that, i would be sus of my superior
But it's not real life, it's a game.
It's fine to be sus of your superior for that. Spartan's right on having the sus, but he's not right on his actions for the sus. Spartan's not IA. He's not in command. He doesn't get to disobey the superior; if anything doing so tarnishes whatever case he tries to build up. If Rhodes told him "Investigate Conan's corruption, you act under my authority" is very different from Spartan's "I think Conan is corrupt, I'm not going to listen to him." If we were to go down the real life route, Spartan would be fired and nothing would be done to Conan because he went about it like a cowboy.
@@Sobtoka say that to other comments too
Facts
Also soon as Conan lost his cool, Spartan had every right to ignore him, do his job, and go above Concan's head if necessary.
Ramee gotta stop using the word fucken, makes what spartan said even worse even cause spartan didnt use any swear words LOL
lmao, this is why pd doesnt take ramee seriously, his cop character is a shit lord character and hes playing like ramee having a high ego lol
@Inksday both had egos tamers was just bigger because he has more power on that character and cops hate it
Yeah bigger streamers dont need positions of power when the already command the chat. It's like power gets to their heads.
I watched this whole thing last night. Conan 100% committed a crime, then tried to cover it up. I agree 100% Spartan was insubordinate, and should have listened to Conan, and maybe taken it higher in the chain if he had an issue, but what started this whole situation is that Conan broke the law and tried to pull rank to cover it up. Every time I see Conan, he always (whether joking or not) says that he is a LT and that he should be respected. I love Ramee but this power trip shit is weak af
Granted I only saw this video, but from what it seemed like to me is that Ramee and the other guys were just fucking around, and then it was Spartan who came in, blatantly disrespecting his superior in order to make something out of nothing. Like, Marty was trying to gain something from a situation that wasn't even that serious, and *that's* why Ramee told people not to respond to the call. Essentially, it was as if Clarkson and Marty were fucking around with each other, Clarkson ended up shooting Marty, and Marty was running the bit to the end of it's rope in order to gain something out of it. It's RP, sure, but it's not like every little thing has to be taken seriously like Spartan was doing. I got the feeling like Clarkson and Marty were fucking around, like friends do in shooters. You know, shooting each other for laughs and what not.
Ramee paraphrasing hard as fuck when describing how the guy responded. If a cop shoots someone, another cop should investigate.
Are people actually taking Ramee’s side here? He was literally ordering an officer to leave the scene of a shooting. And shooting he was involved in. Clarkson should be fired for trying to cover up a crime.
New to watching the server it seems
its crazy how ramee and randy are higher ups its pays to be a big streamer lol
You know AJ Hunter was trained by Soze 4+ years ago who then trained most of the current main PD members and way before they had viewers. Soze calls him his one man army for a reason.
both aj and conan are among the oldest pd members no shit they're gonna be higher ups
yeaaaah they haven't played cop for 4+ years you 3.0 viewer
@@user-gh5zo7vx4b big facts. And the ranger dept always got the short end of the stick that Conan was literally considering finally transferring to trooper and if they didn't let him he would just leave pd because they just kept putting up barriers on him. Only this year was he promoted to lt and became head of the ranger dept
Spartan's an ass but Conan needs to separate IC from OOC. He's malding so hard, over IC shit. Like go touch grass my guy.
this is why you dont give people with huge egos a part in command
Ramee living rent free in that head huh
are you trolling or actually dumb. I cant really tell
@@chris.breadman "i dont care if he stays on scene but who does he think hes talking to" he literally told him to get off scene causing an argument use ur brain LMAO
@@thewolfpack5142 Because of 1 comment? are you abit butt hurt that someone finally talking shit about ur boyfriend?
Ramee have big ego really but in this case he is in the right to what all he did the other police officer is so stupid no for going there but for all the shit he said after
Lol Ramee thinks he’s hard in a video game XD “who does he think he’s talking to” 😂🤡🤡🤡
Cry more my guy
I mean ye ramee/conan think's he's hard, but im pretty sure "do you know who you're talking to" is referring to spartan saying "you can take it up with my command" whilst clarkson is exactly that, his superior..
@@Dylan-ci3lz my comment refers to him talking to chat - not IC - which is why it says ''who does he think hes talking to'' and not ''do you know who you're talking to'' bud.
@@alamosis Lol simp more plzzzz
@@majestyrx11771 simp more for Spartan
meta gang just do whatever they want as cops too
Who is meta gang?
Stay mad 💀
You know theres more to life than crying about cg all the time like seriously kid grow up a little, its really sad and pathetic.
Got to give it to Ramee; he's arrogant most of the time, but here he is self-aware enough to know to try to pull in other influential, established command staff to back him up because he knows his authority is in name only. That "you're never around" reminded him of that.
What do you mean by he has authority is in name only? Clarkson’s authority is very much a real thing, and that’s the problem lower ranks act like it isn’t. Not only is Clarkson a lieutenant he’s one of the dual leaders of a department of the Unified Police Force of Los Santos. That “you’re never around” comment was just as ineffective as when he said it to AJ Hunter. Spartan is a low ranking officer with delusions of grandeur. This isn’t his first instance of insubordination. He has now on at least three separate occasions demonstrated a general disregard for the command structure. I do not foresee much more leniency in his future. This is his third strike he should be out.