Understanding Magic
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Today on the show, Faust talks about understanding Magic in both Marvel and DC comics.
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I really like magic in comics. That is what I love about DC and Marvel. Instead of strictly being a Sci Fi genre or a fantasy genre or simply a super hero genre it carries them all. I find that extremely creative and interesting because you think of Superman, the idealistic boy scout super hero, and then you find out he is a sci fi character then you realize the Greek genre also exists around the "idealistic hero" and then you keep on expanding it to the point where this is not a Sci Fi genre, or fantasy.Know what I mean? Instead of limiting yourself to just a sci fi story like Star Wars Star trek or Mass Effect which are just one genre which is sci fi. In DC and Marvel they carry all genres, Science Fiction, Fantasy, Super hero and merge them together and give them chemistry together as an art form.
ARCHANGEL that's why I love both companies
That's why I love Doom, he has powers of all kind of sources (magic, technology, science, etc).
Although what is often forgotten in writing in general is that magic requires rules. Despite what Joe Quesada thinks, magic has to be explained to some degree. It still needs a source, you have to make rules for what a magical character can and cannot do (much like writing characters in general) and what is or isn't effected by magic.
i feel magic in dc can be used in more ways
What do you mean
@@zekeryaoumar2356 it can be used by the power of semen
The moment Faust begins to reveal his own spiritual background, I'm here clicking the notification and subscribe button.... so hard.
I like that magic in the DC universe and specifically the New 52 Constantine comics has a cost. It makes you wonder when John does a really big "cheat" with his magic if and when it's going to come back and wreck his intricate plans.
The word Occult pretty much means, "To see hidden knowledge." I was also born and raised in a family where every member (on both my dad's and mom's side) practices some form of Magick. Im happy there are others who grew up in the occult.
"We have no idea how the christian God fit in the DC universe..." We kind of do, its been shown in the comics that The presence is THE GOD of the universe. The other gods call themselves gods and such but the creator of all and the actual being running the show and ruling it all is the presence!
But presence himself said that there are more Powerful beings than him, so I don't think it does matter
@@kha30s22 the presence is the creator of it all.
I always loved characters that use magic, it's like i'm atracted to them or something, so this was definitely interesting :)
I love magic in the DC universe Justice League Dark is one of my favorite series I have every trade paperback so far!
I love the way they explored things in “The Books Of Magic” with Timothy Hunter
Cool. Your an occultist just like a few comic book writers. They say that comics are true stories channeled through higher realms. Im gonna meet u on the astral realm to give u a gift for the work you put into videos. You helped more than you know
That was really informative, thanks a lot man.
Is it weird that the first time I saw your videos I already knew you were in some way connected with the occult? :)
I'm a Wiccan so like, I'm pretty much in to comic book magick too. :)
I always liked the idea that magic is split into two parts. Sorcery and spell casting. Where sorcery is manipulating raw magical energy to your whim, spell casting is using magical energy and changing it into a specific form i.e. a fireball. Not really about comics but that's just how I usually like magic.
I love this video especially the part about the occult I really been looking into them
In my opinion, one of the greatest faults of the way magic is presented in both DC and Marvel is that they never establish any clear rules for it, and when they do they never stick to them. What magic is to Constantine and what the rules are for him are completely different from every other magic user in his reality and the same goes for Marvel characters. When ever they attempt to plot out a rule for magic, some writer comes along and goes "what? why can't I do that? its magic after all" and we end up back at square one.
And I think this is why both Marvel & DC are afraid to approach the topic in adaptations such as film. Thor is no longer a god but just an extra-dimensional alien with tech so advanced it appears to be magic, and in interviews about Doctor Strange they said that magic will just be a way of manipulating quantum physics that modern science does not yet understand. They clearly want to define the universe they are creating but the implementation of magic suddenly puts this big undefinable X factor into play. Plus I'd imagine they are afraid of alienating the "lowest common denominator" of film goers (a rather mythical thing in and of itself I'd like to point out) that would see the implementation of "magic" as kids stuff. As such they want to make magic firmly grounded in scientific principle in order to avoid this.
I am personally not opposed to either of those ideas in and of themselves, but when dealing with the established traits of a narrative that your are trying to adapt faithfully into a new medium it really devalues the originality of the characters.
Also I think its a cough out, that comic book writer's are afraid to deal with the Abrahamic mythologies the same way they do with all the others. "The Presence" and the like are presented as more powerful or incredibly vague then the contemporaries like Ares or Odin so as to not piss off the religious majority in North America because they might throw a temper-tantrum. If Thor and Zeus can be comic-book characters that can be punched in the face by "mere mortals" for being arrogant self-entitled little shits then so should Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah and the rest. I can only imagine the hilarious shitstorm that would be the result of depicting, say, Jesus as an alien with really advanced medical technology, that just so happens to look like traditional ancient middle-eastern garb.
I have always felt like the lack of rules established in magic in comic books just reflects the lack of common rules in real life Magick practices, I mean if you look at the teachings of old Celtic magick, Obeah and Crowley stuff, its hard to find more than a few things that are similar. So to me it's always made sense that magic has no clear rules in comics, because it has no clear rules in real life for those who do practice it. Of course like I mention in some other videos, I was brought up in the Occult, so maybe my perspective is a bit different.
As for the movie thing, I am 100% with you there.
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I get that, different cultures and time periods have different practices involving magic. But when writing a narrative and building a world all its own you need to implement some rules on how such things could supposedly work. Otherwise you end up writing yourself into a corner, they don't need to be inflexible rules or even very imposing ones, but they need to be there in order to keep the narrative coherent.
In example, in Jim Butcher's works the rules of magic are vague enough to allow room to indulge in whatever he so chooses to do with it, but still keeps the tension up because the main characters cannot simply make their problems disappear. Or how Brent Weeks clearly defines the rules of magic and uses creativity to make up for the limitations he places on it.
Also, I spent a great deal of time in my youth learning about as many kinds of spiritual practices as I could. Looking for something I could agree with philosophically & didn't require logical acrobatics to justify. So I am fairly familiar with the Occult, even thou in the end I ended up returning to factory settings as an Atheist.
ItsSuperEffective Witchcraft also don't have to many rules,they hate rules .
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Which is ironic because classical western witchcraft is supposed to be ground in rules. Compare the Secret Circle, Vampire Diaries/The Originals, or the Witches of East End to the likes of Charmed, Bewitch or Sabrina the Teenage Witch. The former is ground in similar rules but different limitations but Sabrina and Bewitch, while still having some rules, takes a far more fantastical approach comparable to Disney Cartoons or the Fairly Odd Parents. Charmed is somewhere in between, Harry Potter too. But What I can never understand is why people are so butt hurt about magic not being clearly defined when Almost no power/ability/force in comics/tv/cartoons is fully explained either.
Mr.Northwind and example of magic rules done wrong one only need to see the show Charm. They establish the rule of 3 a nd then spend a couple of season forgetting the rules. For example that they can't do any form of magic that is self serving. In later season that sort of go out by the wayside.
love the fable 2 music
Thanks man. I’m getting into Hellblazer and needed some insight.
can you do a video on the occult?
I believe magic is making the impossible possible and making whatever you think of in to reality.
That's what is does not (reality warping) what it is. Magic=/= reality warping but is a force onto itself.
The Presence is the supreme being of DC with many aspects but Vértigos Lucifer states it si Yahweh and with the source the hand the voice the specter etc just being aspects of it and the Presence being the first and original being that started it all and being above all
I would actually like a History of Magik (Illyana). mainly because I've seen how much you enjoy the character and how interesting she seems.Just a thought.
A history of Dracula in both dc and marvel? Or maybe Frankenstein in both dc and marvel?
Oooo yess
wait, there's a dracula in the dc universe?!? last time I've checked but I've found no dracula in the DC U (unless you want to get into the I' Vampire series, andrew bennet, and Cain.) but still. also in the marvel universe vampires were created by atlantians.
First of all sorry I just assumed that a Dracula in dc existed THEY HAVE FRANKIESTIEN
Second of all where did you find out that the Atlantans made the vampires?
Wiki and Comic Vine.
The Presence is the strongest God in DC creator of Lucifer Morningstar, Michael, The Spectre, Eclispso, the Endless, and is the ruler of the DC/Vertigo Multiverse (prior to the new 52). In fact an aspect of his being (the Source) is responsible for the powers of all the other gods.
fable music in the background ?
FINALLY, someone pronounces John Constantine's name right.
It's not ConstanTEEN, it's ConstanTINE, rhymes with "fine".
The Stegman well, knowing that constantine comes from latin it would make a lot more sense that the promunciation was constanteen so i dont get this crithisism but its true that its tecnically constantine
You played the theme of albion!!!!! Omg i looove you.
Please do a video on the Star Sapphires from DC thanks!
Ya! More Faust-y goodness!
The Presence is the one above Hinduism, The Greeks, etc. He's essentially the one true god while the others (even new gods) are below him
Man the presence is so epic guy splits himself into so many aspects yet he is still top dog. He is the source, the word, the voice, the hand gave his will to lucifer his power to michael but still is stronger than them all.
Good vid, though I'm surprised you didn't include the Eye of Agamotto for the Marvel universe
I understand everything he said but what about people like raven and trigon are they magic user’s because they have demon blood ?
I've heard of other occult practices like Santeria, Voodoo, and Witchcraft, but what is Chaos Magic?
Chaos magick is the use of symbols to warp reality to what you see fit using symbols you make out of a fraise or sentence. You can activate these symbols by your on energy being put into it by dancing, singing, sex, etc. We call these symbols sigils and we also burn them by candle fire to use the energy from rhe universe to create the outcome that we desire if needed.
What music is that 2:55? It's super familiar to me but I can't remember from where. Great video btw. :)
What about "The green" and "The red" of the DC universe?
I don't really get where it conects with the rest of the magic universe...
5:45 I thought that was Illiyana Rasputin's backstory.
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I wish that the presence/appearance of magic in both Marvel and DC would be more. I love magic in comics. But anyways, Faust, you are looking fitter and fitter in each video. I'm seeing them biceps and liking them.
Magic within the Marvel Universe is way more complex and convoluted.
You can do it, you're halfway there!
im a little confused i searched up chaos magician and well i didnt get was i think i was looking for so what exactly do they do?
The phantom stranger is the guy that betrayed Jesus so that's one way Christianity is in dc
Thank u, i feel like he didn't really try to explain that part.
Wait what? Judas Iscariot is in DC comics as Phantom Stranger?! Damn.
Faust what about iron fist? I know he killed a dragon for his powers but what category does he fit in?
I never got how DC abandon reality, I need a chase and point.
i was waiting for dr strange since he is like
one of the major magic users n marvel
but anyway cool you also reas taro which deck do you use?
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Very very nice :-) hihi
Faust I love magic comics but I'm not really interested anymore because the story lines are not thought through enough could you recommend some to me please?
Who’s been pulling every evil string it’s been Agatha all along
Can u do a history of Azrael? I don't know much about him but he looks pretty cool
beautiful.
You're shirts super cool. Where did you get it?
And also nice video
faust u talking about the occult got me curious cause i wanted to the the occult if u can could u give me a link
Have you read Jason Aaron’s Way of the Weird and Last Days of Magic?? I loved it so much!
What do you think about the new ms. Marvel comic
Can you do a video about all the lanterns like black and blue
Are Raven and the people of Azarath considered Homo Magi? I was always confused about how much of Raven's powers were due to her upbringing and how much was just the result of her being Trigon's daughter.
If all of Raven's powers come from Trigon then what did Azar teach her?
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To control her emotions, powers, and spells. Being born with magic doesn't guarantee you can control it let alone know how to cast a spell, especially when the mystical forces/energies your channeling/generating originated from a demonic lineage.
Very good
awesome Vid dude!!!
So in the DC universe, the Flash or any other speedsters that uses the speed force are they technically magic users? and is the speed force itself magic??
No, the Speed Force isn't magical, it's a type of energy that is responsible for all the "speed" used by speedsters in the DC universe. It was created and generated by Barry Allen (the second Flash) and is the source for all Speedsters' powers. By Speedster, I mean people whose primary abilities are speed, such as all the Flashes, Max Mercury, Jesse Quick, etc. not people who happen to have super speed along with other abilities like Wonder Woman or Superman.
Also, when a speedster dies, they can become "one" with the Speed Force
No, thats not magic.
What do you think comics will be like in 20 years?
Chaos magic in dc is more stronger than in marvel. No magic in dc and marvel could never hurt superboy-prime
Wouldn't John be a Sorcerer and a Occultist. As he was born a Laughing Mage.
The opening is too loud!
Soo does raven use magic from another dimension, or is it fromher demon half?
It's more complicated than that. Her magic is internalized due to being half demon, but her human half utilizes a form she was taught a form from the Monk's of Azarath but that is also internalized. DC magicians/sorcerers rarely tap into other dimensions unless they are summoning or conjuring something/someone from said dimensions. The main except is non natural born users.
Are you taking the acrobatic classes
You know, I've always this faszination about the occult when I was younger even when I was a christian (I'm a athiest, but mostly because I don't believe their idea of what God is.) any suggestions in and outside of comics that deals with occultisim? like the tv show supernatural?
Charmed (TV show & comic), Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV Show and comic), Angel, American Horror Story Coven, Justice League Dark (comic), Hellblazer (comic), Spawn (comic), Fables (comic).
Good suggestions, but a few doesn't match what I'm asking.
+Charmed doesn't count because it's fantasy (and it's also a terrible show.)
+Buffy & Angel-same thing fantasy, possibly science fantasy.
+American Horror Story Coven-more X-men-ish sorry. Though they did deep research on vodoo, which I'll give points on but it doesn't makes the cut.
+JLD: is what I'm thinking of and I have the first volume, I reccomend it. John Constatine's history still the same after the reboot with very small changes, so Hellblazer fans
+Hellblazer: of course very good example of the occult in fiction, though never read one I will buy one when I get the chance to.
+Spawn-never cared for it ever, even when I watched the movie I was bored.
+Fables-is a very good series, but it's fantasy hench why all the Fables are the fairy tale character like snow white, big bad wolf, prince charming, etc. (High reccommendon to buy the series even play the Wolf Among Us.)
here are few ideas I'm talking of: Sandman, Supernatural, Ghostbuster comics, dylan dog
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Maybe American Horror Story, but the rest kind of do.
Murder House is more a ghost story but it does kinda count.
Asylum is... I don't know. something about aliens, nazis, the devil, lovecraftian, I don't know.
Coven is the worst of the series (and I'm one of the those who dislikes the series as a whole.) I thought the third season would actually focuses on the real wiccan religion, history, spell, rituals, and all that. heck I've read house of night and it's more wiccan than Coven is and that book has vampires.
but no all we get is the same thing from the first two misgosny, misandry, racisim, rape, schizo plot and meaningless subplots, horrible characters.
But this is coming from a who doesn't like the series, but I will have a open mind for the freak show theme for season 4, hoping it will be at least watchable to me.
Coven was good for a laugh, I found it delightfully ridiculous to watch.
Hey can you answer my question on your multiverse video? PLZ?
I really want Damian Wayne to learn magic since al ghuls are usually magic
Watching this in 2016. Can I marry your hair?
Hey what part of the cult are you in im wiccan
can you please do a history of illyana rasputin
Could you do a history on wasp
Is that music from fable?
How about Storm? It was said that she came from a heritage of priestess who use magic? :O
Yes and a future in cation from an alternate reality learned to use that magic and helped Kitty Pryde.
Wait, it's pronouns ConstantIne? I thought it was pronouns ConstantEEn.
TheFacelessMermaid TKAM constantEEn sounds cooler
Well it was originally ConstantIne but people just preferred calling him Constanteen and so it was just changed to Constanteen
he's hotter in every video
yup. lets keep this thread of fangirling going so he gets super gushy when reading the comments ^.^
I wish I could just run my hands through his hair.
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So magic in Marvel is just ergokinesis?
Both In dc and marvel.
i like how you talk about things > v >
Occult can involve satan...occult also means hidden...which also includes being subversive or secretive on purpose...Freemasons practice the occult as well,and they have kind words regarding Lucifer.
It specifically refers to ascertaining hidden knowledge that is supernatural, paranormal, or spiritual nature. Most of the time said information was hidden away to control the masses (usually via ignorance and/or fear), thus and exposing it and also exposes the corruption of those in power. Those who are in power will usually go to extreme lengths keep said knowledge hidden, often to the point of planning assassinations, massacres, and even wars. This is why anything relating to the Occult is treated with the utmost discretion, sometimes to the point of paranoia. It has virtually nothing to do with the devil.
My uncle is the freemason in my profile pic. N he taught me things no they are not Satanist open ya mind n get ya head out of the bible. Speak on what u research not what u assume
+James White I'm an atheist , so no bible around me so ,stop assuming..lol..I have freemasonry on both sides of my family and ,yes they are Lucifarian ...and occult ...don't go there..
+James White Just slang to indicate i'm gay... and to satisfy my strange need for attention lol.
+James White People can believe what they want, and belong to what ever private group they want, its none of my business, but the only that bugs me about Masons is the subversive nature they sometimes have, example , Kevin Costner is a Mason and in man of steel , superman was "33" years old ~ in one scene after the school bus scene, a woman goes " this was providence "... all mason elements..also on the new wonder woman costume is the square and compass ,on the belt ...and when someone points this stuff out they get called nuts......lol
so where does Captain Marvel (DC) fit into DC's magic?
The Gods (Greek in his case) agree to allow the Wizard Shazam (lord of Order and guardian of the Rock of Eternity) to bestow certain aspects (and the abilities/powers tied to it/them) of themselves upon an object or mortal, but only in limited allotments (meaning they don't allow for any of his aspects/power to equal theirs).
Joseph Kool Actually he can't outright kill him. Superman would somehow in because of DC Favoritism. Just like how Batman on paper shouldn't be able to stand chance against Superman, yet has defeated and outwitted the Kyrptonian numerous times. Not sure about in the New 52 because I abandoned it a while ago.
It funny cause I was into magic when I was little too
Constantine is going to earth 2... Your thoughts?
Well, DC was founded by mostly jewish and christian people, so i assume they would prefer to think of God as the Monad above all pantheons. Jack Kirby thought of it as the Source beyond the the multiverse that originated everything, but then again, Neil Gaiman wrote about the judeo-christian God as maker of the Silver City where angels live. Its similar to the idea of Kether in kabballah.
If superman's weaknes is magic, does that means that aquaman can beat him? :)
Superman's "weakness" to magic is grossly exaggerated partly in that it doesn't weaken him he just has vulnerable to it like most mortals. So unless the being is a god or a mid->high tier sorcerer, of which Aquaman is neither, then no. The lightning blasts from Aquaman's trident would injury Superman but it's not like it's a one hit KO. Super endurance and healing can keep Superman going and he'll just use his speed and flight to dodge another assault.
lucariomew365 ok, thanks :)
Probably. Especially since Aquaman's trident can rip the flesh off of Superman.
Can Aquaman's trident even hit superman if the plot doesn't demand it? No.
On the other hand there are dozens of ways Superman can take out Aquaman without needing to put up a serious fight.
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2nd and Brandon Williams is first
can you do a video on Dr most?
ment Dr mist
The presence is God, not the Spectre
im wiccan and i like dc
tf is Todoroki doing here talkin about magic ?!?!
I AM an Endless.
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love how barely any magic was in harry potter might as well watch British school life stories
lol I guess I'm an occultist
Magic is asum
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Hey faust can you do real magic
Some of us can actually and we do practice magick.
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God is real he got me through really tuff times