Gateways From SPACE!? Teardown and Test
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2024
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Let's look at some out-of-this-world Gateways towers!
Fun Linux tip, if you forget sudo on a command that you just entered, just type "sudo !!", it'll repeat the last entered command but with sudo preceding it.
I find that's quicker than hitting up, then home, then typing "sudo "
Today I learned! :O I've used Linux for twenty years, and somehow never knew that.
@@HalianTheProtogen Don't feel too bad, I've been a Linux vet for about the same time and I only learned that maybe 5 years ago lol
the more you know..
I used to get so frustrated with this era of OEM machine for omitting AGP slots. These systems were perfectly fine, but by cutting $0.50 in cost they absolutely killed re-use or upgradability of these machines. It's a big reason why I got into building my own systems for friends and family.
Even if it had an AGP slot, how much utility would it truly have added? Being a P4 with a RAM ceiling of 2GB, you wouldn't be able to go much further than Vista or 7 anyways, and having used 7 on a machine of this stature with a PCIe slot and a fairly fast video card, it's not a good experience.
Additionally, the north bridge changes between versions with and without AGP, and so it required not only the 50 cent slot, but a $3 chip and then a whole $10 card because the integrated video was omitted.
While I agree it's disappointing, you have to remember these were being mass produced, so even the slightest cost savings multiplied by thousands adds up quickly.
@@AiOinc1 Due to the extreme limitations of the PCI Bus in the P4-era, the lack of an AGP port made this at best a budget office machine. Even an AGP x4 would have allowed this PC to rock a mid-range GPU of it's time and play almost everything pre-Crysis. To answer your question, if someone was using this machine for office tasking, web browsing, and light gaming: the inclusion of an AGP port could have doubled (or more) the effective lifespan of this machine. There is intrinsic value in expandability/upgradability as well if you care about things like keeping machines such as this one out of landfills and refurbished while they still have good life left.
@@ahabwolf7580 I understand the economies of scale, but the margins in the 2000-era could absorb a $1 sticker price increase. Especially at the volumes that Dell and Gateway were dominating at during this time.
@@AiOinc1At least 20 years ago that would still have been a decent gaming PC with a dGPU like Radeon 9600 or similar. Only a masochist used Vista/7 with a single core system anyway.
12:10 - date code is 02 for 2002. 21 for the 21st week. May 20, 2002 to May 26, 2002
I remember being a kid in school and seeing these. Honestly the coolest design of the era!
cannot believe that no one is saying anything about that context menu item at 21:09
It certainly adds more *context* for the system's dubious past! 🤣
LOL! I was about to comment on this! I'm not the only one who saw this
Found one of these a year ago on the side of the road, really cold and moist. had a 2.0Ghz Pentium 4 and a Maxtor Fireball 3 40GB HDD and a 1GB of ram.
After rebuilding and cleaning, it sprung to life perfectly working, surprised on how it hasn't died yet after the harsh condition it was in.
Its always a good day when one of the vidoes appear. Kinda like a rare pokémon. But funner. xox
thanks Mike for another episode of my favourite youtube show!
Thank you so much! ❤️ I’ll put it into the CR2032 battery fund. 🙂
Always love your vids! Thanks for another great one. I have a few Gateway 2000 systems, and a PIII Gateway system too!
Been binge watching your channel, I am impressed with your knowledge and ability, I have learned new things, and the format you use is top notch for a pc channel.
I love adding new active 'descriptors' to my vocabulary Mike after watching your videos & superb commentary. Today's word is _disconnectify_ ! Thank you !👍
The momoent I saw that Maxtor label on the second HDD I 100% new it was faulty. Those early 2000s Maxtors are some of the worst drives of the era.
I like systems that can cover up the floppy drives. I like the black and silver system. There’s something about it that speaks to me. The reflective Gateway logo is very cool. Another great video to kick off the weekend!
As always, excellent video! Always enjoy seeing these, glad to see the first system was basically in primo condition. The AGP thing still to this day baffles me -- my first XP machine was a 1.6 GHz P4, with 512 MB's of RAM and an AGP 4x slot that housed a 64 MB GeForce 2 MX200 stock. Granted that was a Compaq Presario, but still... lack of AGP is just a very odd choice considering how pretty bad plain PCI expansion video cards were.
33:22 You should probably chuck that WT power supply right into the trash as I've had one of those exact PSUs blow up and fry a motherboard before
Great stuff as always Mike 👍🏻 Nice to see these different systems. Keep em Coming… Cheers 🍻
love the look these P4 tower`s from Gateway, brill video on them enjoyed
I love your videos!!
Hi,Mike,i'm glad you bring 'em!!
ahh maxtor.... The bane of my early 2000's existence i have bad memories of that we went through like 3 in 4 years
They were terrible
Maxtor managed to somehow out-Quantum Quantum's Fireball line.
@@LabCat ha!
Oh this is a throwback. My first boss had one of these at home, and it crawled with a P4 HT. Eventually he replaced it with a Mac.
Watching the video, I see this one crawls too. I always wondered if something about this specific logic board design or BIOS revision factored into that, because it wasn’t slow earlier on in its life, and a similarly equipped Dell Dimension 3000 wasn’t slow at the time either.
I used to support someone who had one of these. It always seemed slower than it should be with a P4 HT (a 2.8 IIRC) and I could never figure out why, even with a clean OS install. Interesting that it doesn't seem to be a fluke.
You wanted a high rpm HDD. @@jblyon2
@@jblyon2 a P4 3.0 HT Dell Dimension 3000 my Aunt had for over a decade was quite fast until around the time XP went EOL, so I’m thinking something unique to the Gateways
@@sjgrall I had a HT 3.0 in mine. Ran circles around my wife's PC. Hers was what is here with a 2.8 HT. I made sure I got the better spec'd one.
My weekly dose of MikeTech. This channel is a therapy =)
I agree. It’s truly relaxing to watch these videos.
Nice systems, thanks!
I loved these. Really great design.
Gateway for some strange reason decided to engineer strange retaining systems for almost everything for no good reason, they just had a weird fascination with avoiding screws 😂
21:08 Now that is an interesting JavaScript shortcut in the right click menu. Can't say I've ever seen that before
Seems like you'd wanna wash your hands after handling that machine 💀💀💀
great video, keep it up!
Archeology...
Indiana Mike And The Capacitors Of Doom. 🤣
Smart video!😊
goo gone is very good for removing thermal paste, just make sure to avoid getting it on plastics
Nice Gateways. Great video again. Greetings from Steven from the Netherlands
Those caps by the ram on the first board look a bit puffy also. Could explain the lag and performance.
The mussed up hair in the thumbnail is super cute ❤
Mike is rocking that perfect hairline.
Wow this video is perfectly timed i just finished building a retro pc from the mid 2000s
Really like the design of those cases!
25:15 I think the two capacitors just at the right side of the heatsinks are also bulging.
Yay - a nice Friday afternoon video to watch after work!
I really liked this era of case, with the removable drive sleds, removable spacers, and removable PSU. I think they were really onto something with that. Its a shame we went back to screws on most cases but i kinda get it.
I like to keep my copy of SpinRite around for situations like that Maxtor drive. It either finishes off the drive, adding to the sacrificial pile, or it forces marginal sectors to reroute and in some cases can restore the drive enough to copy things off.
I know in this case that actual data recovery isn't the goal so it may not make sense here but SpinRite can do a phenomenal job of bringing a mechanically sound but marginal drive back from the brink... or it seals the drive's fate. Either way, it answers questions. You'd want to run it on a test bench rig because it can take days for some drives to finish a pass through SpinRite.
This drive might be a good candidate for it. It did make a few sounds like the spindle RPM was stumbling, but that cleared up.
Hirens boot drive had a ton of useful programs on it, I worked in a warranty repair and refurbish center for Asus in the early 2000's and all of us techs kept it on thumbdrives and cds for troubleshooting, also had password crackers for most flavors of windows since sometimes the owners weren't able to remove account passwords before sending them in, I feel like some of those programs could be helpful for mike.
For a futuristic design these Gateways were stuck in the past with no AGP & Crapacitors. Not surprised that the 2nd system's Maxtor is no good, living up to my channel "name" 😝
dedustify everything :3 (also you're cute)
It amazes me how long these things just sit somewhere for so many years doing nothing. Who has the space for that? Its much harder to find old stuff like this in the UK and Im guessing its because we have smaller houses so just cant hang on to older stuff for so long.
Man that Windows XP floppy action brought back memories. Thanks for the time travel!
Yay ur back... and yay gateways...
These systems remind me of visiting the Gateway store as a kid. Yes, the Gateway store. Actually, I thought it was a really awesome store. There was some interesting stuff in there. I remember Gateway was selling their own large flat-panel TVs (maybe just monitors since I think it was meant to go with their HTPCs). Then things just took a turn for the worst for ol’ Gateway.
such quality built into that first case. then cheaping out on the agp...
Great video.
Interesting, I have heard that opinion about Maxtor drives from several UA-camrs now... I guess I have just been lucky with my drives because they still work. :)
My dad gave me one of the MATX versions of these years ago. I really miss the case. Looked so cool.
i love youre videos please do a coustome retro build of trash picked parts bene watching since day one you have inspired me i am just starting in the tech industry pleas make more videos
Those cases would make great sleeper computer cases
Mike. When you use xrandr and don't get the resolutions you want you can add them rather quickly. Use cvt command to generate a modeline. Example
cvt 1920 1080 60
This will generate a modeline for a 1080p 60hz video mode. You can then use the output of this command to create it. Then use xrandr --newmode and use the modeline output here to generate your new video mode. Example
xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
Now use xrandr --addmode followed by the display id and the new resolution. For example
xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1920x1080_60.00
Replace VGA-0 with the appropriate screen connection for your system. It is displayed as part of xrandr output or use xrandr --listmonitors. Replace the resolution and refresh in the cvt command with your desired paramaters.
i have two of these they're very cool
Hi I have a model from 2004 looks exactly alike just a little newer. Mine does have a AGP Slot and also SATA I am happy about that. I purchased a 60 GB SSD and a SATA to IDE before I knew it has SATA. I also have Gateway Recovery disk it is just a Red Drivers CD and a Yellow Application CD and a Blue OS CD One XP Home and 2 XP Professional. The red drivers CD is bootable has MS DOS and there is a hidden program called GW Scan. It is just an old version of WD Diagnostics and GW Scan will wipe a Hard drive and write 0's.
I had luck using a hair dryer to unstick the heatsinks on an OG Xbox CPU and GPU. Worked wonders and now have a nicely refurbished and working system on my desk.
This computer was ahead of its own time, incredible.
Maybe Gateway diverted capacitor funds to R&D for fancy power supply mounting! I got the Broadcom reference!.... seen a few videos on that lately.
In all fairness the capacitor selection was Intel's doing, Gateway mostly used off the shelf Intel boards with their branded locked down BIOS.
Odd date codes for some of the parts are likely do to said parts being sent to the users for replacement. They designed these things to be totally user serviceable, with tech support to walk them through the whole process. Walked countless users through replacing just about everything in these
Mike, UA-cam is calling; it's been 3 weeks, and it's time to feed the beast!
Yeah, it’s a madhouse over here. Just got done feeding the garage with a third ewaste haul! Now I should be good through next year.
@@miketech1024 I am definitely looking forward to your videos on the ewaste machines, I know they'll be fun
I used to own a Gateway of that vintage. That's one of their tooless maintenance models. You can change everything including the motherboard without lifting a screw driver. 🙂
Sentry Turret from Portal lol 😅
"Are you still there?"
The Pentium 4 based HP the library at my old highschool had used the same 20GB Maxtors. Have no idea how any of those PC lasted well into the Windows 7 era - no preventative maintenance they were only cleaned out when the fans clogged with dust, causing them to overheat badly enough to shut down.
Still have a locked HDD from one of those that I was allowed to take home.
Damn my school had hundreds of these when i was there around 15 years ago now. Kinda tempted to pick one of these some time lol
Those green sliders are a great design. Other than Enlight cases, a few Dell models, and Apple's towers, machines back then weren't usually that easy to take apart like that.
Man, that right there is my childhood pc I’m young however My dad gave his Gateway MDX500 series that was the exact same as that first one. I kept it for many years in 2014 I come home from the beach to find that it was gone among a bunch of other things. Would love to find one that doesn’t cost a fortune.
I knew that maxtor wasnt going to work 😂 had so many troubles in that same era with those
Oh man. I had one of these. Same case, but just a bit taller with one more drive bay. It was big, black and ugly. Pent4HT. I used it all the way up to 2013.Totally missed the core 2 models. Then graduated to an i5. The motherboard in it was a hotdog. It was pretty good speeds for the era it came from. Plus 2 sata ports on the motherboard. Mine also had AGP slot. No leaking caps when I put it away.
You sound like my dad, who upgraded from a first gen Pentium 1 to a Pentium 4 directly.
Hi Mike. First off, I want to say, I love your content. I’m reaching out to you, because I might have a retro PC, that you might be interested in featuring on your channel. It is an IBM Personal Computer 300XL. I found it abandoned, in an old single-wide trailer house, that I was helping my nephew clean out. When I opened it up, I did not see any bulging or leaky caps, and I was able to power it on for a short period of time. However, now it will not power on. While it did power on, the hard drive sounded like it was still in decent shape, and the floppy drive did spin up, but I did not have any floppy disks to test it. The case lid looks rather rough, but I did try to clean it up as best I could. Please let me know, if you are interested. I am willing to donate it to your channel, but I am not sure that the shipping costs would be in my budget. Anyways, thanks again for the amazing content, and hope to hear back from you soon.
I just found a Gateway desktop at a thrift store for $10. I think it's a few years newer than this one as it has an AMD Athlon 64 X2 badge on it. Haven't tried to boot it up yet but, yep, a capacitor plague victim as well.
0:17 - Oh no! It's AGIMUS from Star Trek Lower Decks! 😆😆
Always makes me sad seeing an otherwise worthwhile motherboard with the solder points for an AGP slot but no hardware. So much lost potential.
I always like those cases that meant less screws
Heat gun on the heatsink for a few seconds usually softens and unsticks hard paste. Desoldering alloy? What? Wow, I've never ever had a cap fall out so easy. You missed a bad cap next to the RAM.
Never see many Gateways here in Oz let alone these things! I do hope you thoroughly sanitised that hard drive in the first system after exploring it... Maybe 10 passes in DBAN should be enough? 🤠
fitting since all this Alien craze lately xD
Reminds me of the Chieftec Dragon cases.
lol junkyard roulette. I hear you
I have this exact machine in my room. The nearly all silver one.
Window Washer! ❤.
I had some of those in my shop. So many bad caps and guaranteed the CPU would rip out of the socket with the heatsinks. Its like the thermal paste turns into glue.
I do not know the pinout of AGP, but there do appear to be traces to some of the pin locations. I wonder if soldering in an AGP slot would make it functional, or if the BIOS would restrict this possibility.
I had these same computers
Saw that watch and the flag on it
Dude, you missed greatness in this video by a hair. You should've used the meme with fellow that had fried hair that said "I'm not saying it was Aliens, *_but it was Aliens!!_* "
That lovely sound of floppy drive copying reminds me of good old times of copying games from diskettes and praying that diskette is not faulty 🙂
XP from SP2 really needed 512MB RAM at minimum for a useable experience. Preferably 768MB or more. McAfee certainly wasn't helping on that first system, but the lack of RAM was the bigger problem.
i havent seen one of those since when i was in votech
I hated those slim Maxtor drives. I think in many years of refurbishing machines of the Pentium-P4 era the only drives that were more failure prone were the Bigfoots.
Good brand hard drive
hope your doing ok.. looking forward to your next video... just wanted to say hi
Hey! Doing ok, thanks. Just crazy busy. I did pick up another ewaste haul though! Hoping to finish up the next video in a few days.
Intel 845 GL/GLVA or GVSR. The good old cheapo OEM Boards without AGP-Slot. A big benefit for user: never any compatiblity issues with AGP-Graphic Cards 😁
I've had some luck doing "ddrescue -d -p --no-split /dev/sdx output.img log/output.logfile" followed by one or several "ddrescue -d -r3 /dev/sdx output.img log/output.logfile" on dodgy HDD:s where I want to do some OS archeology. You could, of course, substitute output.img with sdy or something like that.
Did....Did he just use a guitar pick to get the rest of the thermal paste off of the heatsink? My man!
What happened to, "Let's get this out onto a tray. Nice!" oh.. wait.. wrong channel.. LOL! :)
@MikeTech
What desoldering alloy do you use? Like you, I'm stateside.
I really must finish tinkering with my Dell Dimension 8200, so far, it had a 256 to 768MB upgrade (while my friend was using it), it's now had a 2GHz to 2.8GHz CPU upgrade (had one in another pile of junk), also taking to a whole GB of RAM (replace 2x 128 RDRAM with another 2x 256), and to replace the GF2 MX with a Ti4200 or 9800 Pro (2 more from a random junk pile) - should make an adequate XP Retro system, and it was probably my best AGP system even before the 2.8 CPU upgrade
Ah, McCrappy, worse than most viruses. Lol.
i think that datecode 0221 means the 21st week of the year 2002
I was thinking the exact same thing, or a really stupidly obscure way of saying "2/1/02" as well -- either way you slice it, kind of is a dumb datecode.
19:34 Notice the "WINNT" folder, wonder if this machine was upgraded from 2000?
im amused by that javascript link at 21:08
If gateway had kept the cows maybe they would still be in business today. The world will never know!