Why cant he pick yellow every game? I dont know either.
7 місяців тому
@@husainjamBecause colors are grouped in two, odd and even numbers. Yellow is number 4, here he's playing with odd number 5, so he can't pick 2, 4, 6, or 8 colors
I dunno, the cavalry archers scale much better with numbers. It's been kinda underwhelming in my experience. Royal heirs + blacksmith techs only gives the equivalent of 5 pierce armour and 45 HP in castle age, and 8 pierce armour and 50 HP in imperial age. Assuming the cav archers have full upgrades, that means they take 3 damage per shot in both ages, so it takes 15 cav archer shots to kill a shotel in castle age, and 17 in imperial age. So once the cav archer numbers are around 20 or more, they're no longer very effective.
@@Tobotimus "Wow. They massacred those camel archers, and I barely took any damage." -TheViper, this game Shotels have 16atk and are very fast. They are balanced by being squishy. Royal heirs doesn't make them tanks, but it makes them not squishy. They trade well with paladins, elephants still have the raw bulk and damage to make the tech not really effective.
@@misteral9045 Daniel had 5 camel archers in that fight. I am aware they are pretty decent vs melee cavalry, as shown by the fight that viper took - 13 shotels massacred Daniel's 6 or so knights and 3 light cav even with 5 camel archers supporting. Shotels are pretty fast for infantry but cav archers are still 17% faster. If we ever see a pro game with Ethiopians vs a player going cav archers, I'd be surprised if going Shotels would be a winning strategy.
@@TobotimusThanks for doing the counting to prove my point. 😂 This is a game where going Shotels against a Berber with camel archers was the winning play. Speed doesn't matter as much on defense, the opponent will fight you and die or be zoned out. As we saw. What point are you trying to make again? Edit: oh wait you're just trying to make conversation. I dunno about that.
@@misteral9045 In this case, Daniel could not really get enough Camel archers since he didn't have the time. His first and 2nd castles were forward and right at the end of castle age before starting a treb war. One advantage of Shotels is certainly that they produce so fast so you are not as punished by lack of production time. My point is that Shotels are underwhelming vs cavalry archers, i.e. the mainline ones from the archery range. Because by the time you are producing Shotels, usually your opponent has a mass of 20+ cav archers which is beyond the point where Shotels are effective. Against cav archer-type unique units like Camel Archer and Mangudai, Shotels might have slightly faster timing so they can beat the opponent before they get a mass (like in this game), but also the Camel Archers and Mangudai with higher DPS will be even better than cav archers vs Shotels once they reach the required number. Also yes I'm just trying to make conversation. I was super excited when the tech was changed too, but found it to be pretty underwhelming. Other pros like Hera and TaToH have said the same.
Well we may not be able to beat Hera but we can always beat up on Daniel 😂
I'm always amazed by the open base, defense games from TheViper !! gg
We've found the game Hera casted
17:50 You're here for this
Dat "gg" game😂
11:48 first unit killed.
its 2024 and some people still can't understand viper can't pick yellow every game
Yep, you would think Microsoft would've changed the code by now to auto-assign Viper the colour yellow...
Why cant he pick yellow every game? I dont know either.
@@husainjamBecause colors are grouped in two, odd and even numbers. Yellow is number 4, here he's playing with odd number 5, so he can't pick 2, 4, 6, or 8 colors
The Royal Heirs tech change, especially against calvary archers, was absolutely insane when it came out and everyone has been sleeping on it.
I dunno, the cavalry archers scale much better with numbers. It's been kinda underwhelming in my experience. Royal heirs + blacksmith techs only gives the equivalent of 5 pierce armour and 45 HP in castle age, and 8 pierce armour and 50 HP in imperial age. Assuming the cav archers have full upgrades, that means they take 3 damage per shot in both ages, so it takes 15 cav archer shots to kill a shotel in castle age, and 17 in imperial age. So once the cav archer numbers are around 20 or more, they're no longer very effective.
@@Tobotimus "Wow. They massacred those camel archers, and I barely took any damage." -TheViper, this game
Shotels have 16atk and are very fast. They are balanced by being squishy. Royal heirs doesn't make them tanks, but it makes them not squishy. They trade well with paladins, elephants still have the raw bulk and damage to make the tech not really effective.
@@misteral9045 Daniel had 5 camel archers in that fight.
I am aware they are pretty decent vs melee cavalry, as shown by the fight that viper took - 13 shotels massacred Daniel's 6 or so knights and 3 light cav even with 5 camel archers supporting.
Shotels are pretty fast for infantry but cav archers are still 17% faster.
If we ever see a pro game with Ethiopians vs a player going cav archers, I'd be surprised if going Shotels would be a winning strategy.
@@TobotimusThanks for doing the counting to prove my point. 😂 This is a game where going Shotels against a Berber with camel archers was the winning play. Speed doesn't matter as much on defense, the opponent will fight you and die or be zoned out. As we saw. What point are you trying to make again?
Edit: oh wait you're just trying to make conversation. I dunno about that.
@@misteral9045 In this case, Daniel could not really get enough Camel archers since he didn't have the time. His first and 2nd castles were forward and right at the end of castle age before starting a treb war. One advantage of Shotels is certainly that they produce so fast so you are not as punished by lack of production time.
My point is that Shotels are underwhelming vs cavalry archers, i.e. the mainline ones from the archery range. Because by the time you are producing Shotels, usually your opponent has a mass of 20+ cav archers which is beyond the point where Shotels are effective. Against cav archer-type unique units like Camel Archer and Mangudai, Shotels might have slightly faster timing so they can beat the opponent before they get a mass (like in this game), but also the Camel Archers and Mangudai with higher DPS will be even better than cav archers vs Shotels once they reach the required number.
Also yes I'm just trying to make conversation. I was super excited when the tech was changed too, but found it to be pretty underwhelming. Other pros like Hera and TaToH have said the same.
Day one of trying to get viper to talk to me like the guy in live chat 🎉