What Does The Future Hold For ARCA?
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It’s not a series issue. It’s a NASCAR model issue. The series is a waste because it’s a pay to play.. trucks get bigger numbers so it’s easier to get sponsors.. and the big teams.. the difference between the two series is 200k.. and that’s just because it’s 20 races vs 23. So if it’s out of pocket or sposnors you have found, it’s way easier to just spend spend the money in the deeper pool, and hope you learn to swin before you sink. Even kids in the series, don’t want to be in the series, if talented was actually hired, then this series would be relevant and competitive again, but really it’s just for manufacturers and team owners that would lose too much getting rid of the program, so they keep it sense some still pay for it, and if they went to trucks or xfinity, the people that can afford a full season… will just go to the bigger teams.. thus the teams might struggle for $ because they won’t be the top dog anymore
Wassup Carson
the one and only carsonh814
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks NASCAR is one of the reasons why ARCA is suffering.
Common Carson W
Holy moly it's the 🐐 himself! Big fan.
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT kinda wished I was rich enough to buy ARCA, so probably I would make it a bit Pro-Am and a bit more freedom in cars construction (they can use NASCAR chassis but they can use any body shape from any car)
Honestly We Need an ARCA series in a NASCAR Game eventually!!!
That's honestly the thing that disappointed me the most about the Heat series of games. ARCA is under the NASCAR umbrella, and it should be given the time in the spotlight alongside the dirt series. Maybe they had some issues getting tracks to agree to be scanned for the game or figuring out how to do the cup series at the smaller tracks. Either way, put both tiers of ARCA in the next NASCAR game, please. Not everyone used dirt as a path to the cup series, let us choose dirt or ARCA.
@@blueredlover1060 I completely agree with this statement we 100% just need Arca We didn't ask for the dirt it was okay but ARCA would have been way Better
I’ve always wanted this.
You guys do know that ARCA had it's own Sim, right?
@@ajclips2540 no, actually I didn't.
Sometimes you can be critical of something because you really enjoy it and want it to be better.
Constructive Criticism is generally a good thing and I hope some of these ideas are considered. I would love to see ARCA become more like what it was.
You said more positive things about arca than anyone on DBC 😂
Dbc is GOATED
@@corey_lajoie_fan they’re the best racing podcast
I say combine the ARCA and ARCA East series, keep some of East's races, lower the costs talked about in this video, and adopt this schedule to help with the teams and having to set these cars up:
1. Daytona - 80 Laps
2. Rockingham - 147 Laps
3. Hickory - 150 Laps
4. Talladega - 75 Laps
5. Toledo - 200 Laps
6. Charlotte - 100 Laps
7. Elko - 200 Laps - NIGHT
8. Knoxville - 100 Laps - NIGHT
9. Nashville Fairgrounds - 150 Laps - NIGHT
10. Pocono - 60 Laps
11. IRP - 150 Laps
12. Michigan - 75 Laps
13. DuQuoin - 100 Laps
14. Bowman Gray Stadium - 150 Laps - NIGHT
15. Milwaukee - 150 Laps
16. Bristol - 150 Laps - NIGHT
17. South Boston - 200 Laps
18. Chicagoland - 100 Laps - NIGHT
19. Slinger - 200 Laps - NIGHT
20. North Wilkesboro - 150 Laps - NIGHT
Toledo should have 201 haha. (I'm a native of Toledo.)
If bfm watch wow the nascar mexico series,maybe see what the real show is,but also it's not bad your idea
Atlanta?
I think Slinger is too small for a 20-car field after watching a 12 car SRX field last year.
@@tylerpuszczewicz2535 Bro, Bowman Gray is on the schedule, there needs to be at least 10% total chaos.
As someone who serves as a VP of Marketing for an ARCA team I’ll say a few things.
1. It costs us approximately 20-40k per race to get that car ready and on track, we can do it for less but there’s no competing with the big teams then.
2. Like he said a brand new motor is 35k, but you need a whole Holly system and by the time you’re done installing it with all the extras it’s around 50-60k
3. If you do not spend 750,000-1,000,000 a year you will not be competitive and cannot prove a ROI to sponsors
For ARCA as a whole to succeed we need bigger purses and we need fans at the track, it is damn near impossible to sell to companies with no fan interactions
Thanks for the inner circle view. This really shows how important sponsor $$$ is to put competitive equipment out on the track. With the decline of nascar ( attendance ) arca doesn’t get the trickle down ticket sales of old days. I watch arca races on tv, attend several truck races and one or two X & cup races. Some reason arca just hasn’t gotten my interest.
@@bumstead1383 I completely understand, in the past few years we have seen spikes in tv viewership which has been good, the fights that happen in the back are usually way more interesting than in the front but there’s no coverage of anything in the back
Run all short tracks
The whole race purses is a joke. As a car chief on the west side I look at all the entry blanks. Most races are $5k to win without contingency. With contingency that gets bumped to $12,500 but second still gets like $4k. When you have to buy tires at $300+ a piece for a short track. That's a majority of your purse right there. Also out here on the west, no one knows what ARCA is. So advertising for a race is hard. Brand recognition. We need the NASCAR name back in the seriss
Blame NASCAR development for your issues. Seriously. Pay to race is the biggest crock in the world. The level of competition is next to nil in ARCA because of the pay to race model. Put naturally developed talent in your cars, without them actually having to fork over money in order for an opportunity to race and you'll start seeing your series grow based on talent, which in turn makes your product more desirable.
2015 I spoke with Mason Mitchell Motorsports about driving their car. The price tag for one race was a minimum 60,000 dollars, I doubt the number is still that high, but to hear that the winners purse is that low is honestly hilarious, as many of the big Super Late Model races and even some Pro Late races pay better than that to win.
I would like to see NASCAR work with the major Super Late Model touring series' more, and create something that up and coming drivers can step into and have a realistic shot. There would need to be pretty strict rules to limit costs and different things, don't need it turning into a Super Late version of what we currently have. But there will be a lot more talent at La Crosse Speedway's Oktoberfest in a few weeks than the ARCA series, and maybe even the truck series. Support your local tracks!
You’re looking at anywhere from 15-150k per race for a ride depending on what track and that’s not including a crash clause
Hell no nascar shouldn't touch any short track series. Nascar sucks and they ruin everything they touch. Freaking they had the most perfect product ever at Bristol. 55 freaking sellouts in a row. And what the hell did they do? Oh let's change it. Freaking idiots. Now they dump dirt on it just to try and garner interest. I am staunchly against nascar taking anything over. It sucks so bad that they are in charge of the top series. CRA puts out a much more dominant product and I would throw up if nascar ever took them over. Many nascar drivers have raced a season in the super series and none have won the championship. The list includes Ryan Blaney, Chase Elliot, John Hunter Nemichek, Eric Jones, David Stremme, Steve Walllace to name a few. And they were consistently out raced by better drivers never given a chance but it's not what you know it's who you know.
I think ARCA may need a revamp and bring in some veterans to test the young drivers.
Nascar should allow one off races with cup series drivers for a car made and prepared by nascar or something like that just to make the series and races cooler
Interestingly, the payouts in ARCA seem to be comparable to regional dirt SLM series, like the Southern All Stars. No offense to ARCA/NASCAR, but with the travel and operations costs being what they are, they could and should up those purses to draw veterans back into the series. Some of those veterans have already gone back to asphalt short track racing or made the switch to dirt racing. More power to them, they at least have a chance of breaking even there.
Yea...if the costs vs. payouts issue isn't fixed then the series will remain an F1-feeder series style of pay-to-play youngsters and a few teams losing money but working on development. Veterans will only be in a series if they can make a living and run the team on their earnings. And when you have rich 18 year-olds bashing up cars recklessly, those veterans have even more incentive to not show up. I mean, how many $5k race WINS will it take to replace your race car after some well-funded kid takes you out just once?!? I may not know all the math but the more you learn, the worse it seems to get. Is a top-tier ARCA car around $100k? It just doesn't make any sense to me how it could ever work like that.
I wonder how much the cars for guys like Kimmel or even someone like Dick Trickle (who made a lot of money in "lower series") used to be? I'm sure there is a percentage that is the "break even" point for racing to be worthwhile if you take (winner's purse)/(car price) and average it for a series. Maybe someone with experience can chime in....
I'd like to see ARCA as a true developmental series.
I use to love arca. The thing that makes me really annoyed they changed the pit stop format to that everyone gets 5 minutes to fix up their car
I feel like all 3 arca series need to just be combined into one series
I’d suggest disbanding it but where would the drivers who race in that series (Full or Part-Time) go? The Pinty’s series is kinda unknown, most of those drivers came from the Advance Auto Parts Weekly Series and the same goes for the Whelen Modified Series. It should be given a few years to get the cost down and restructure the TV contract deal and then we can talk about it’s future a bit more.
Have ARCA and Pinty's sort of merge.
P.J. Pedroncelli and Greg Van Alst are well qualified for a truck ride. As for the rest, hopefully it’s competitive next season.
I can't pretend to know what the reality of ARCA Racing is from an insider's perspective, but as an observer I've really felt like NASCAR just bought ARCA to eventually kill it, as they've really been moving in a direction to become more of a monopoly than they already were. In my opinion, ARCA looks very much ignored by the higher ups, has a dearth of driving talent, and just feels redundant and unnecessary in the grand scheme of stock car racing right now. It seems even more of a playground for unready rich kids to crash cars than any of the upper series are. It feels like it's too expensive for the average prospective racer to get into, yet so cheap compared to the upper series that anyone with a little bit of daddy's money can have a field day there for as long as they wish.
ARCA has an identity crisis right now. I do understand why people with a vested interest would be upset over criticism of it, but I don't think it really offers a whole lot of upside for fans to buy into it. There are very few competitive veterans, and the majority of the younger kids don't seem to have that high of a ceiling. If they don't need fan interest to be financially viable, then there's no issue here, but I don't know of many racing series that work like that.
Darian saw twitter and had to make another ARCA video lol
The best reason to make a video. spite
Congratulations on the gig. I've loved your videos for awhile now. You deserve it.
We need ARCA BRAKES again
The Arca Midwest series is pretty good, even though it’s mostly the local short track racers from the Midwest
Arca North as well as Arca south is great.
The majority of the ARCA footage is from the Iowa race I went to in June. I was up until about 2 in the morning since the track dryers were from like 2 to 3 different tracks and the rain kept coming way back then
You should invite ARCA NASCAR S&P Cars to your podcast one day because he has all the ARCA news that I know about.
Put me in charge.
1. Lower operating costs
2. Get better TV deal to give money to the teams ( 2 race timed window)
( practice and qualifying on the streaming network or UA-cam)
3. Restructure the series as a whole
( Arca 1 hour timed race )
( Arca East and West 45 minute timed race )
I think it’s going to be a tough road ahead for all the lower series’ for the next few years until the next gen stuff gets implemented and nascar and the oem’s decide on the identity of the series’ whether it’s a different body style, engine package, hybrid technology or who knows what kind of gimmick they come up with.
Arca west is the best and most competitive arca series and people forget about the arca west
But any arca is still 40k-80k to run one race. Its too expensive but so is racing anyway. If u got money ull win no matter what.
Personally I would watch the ARCA races more if I remembered and knew when they were.
NASCAR should put but ARCA on the NASCAR app. There is literally no reason not too.
Do a Nascar Mexico series video
Something I don't like is the fact that the final 3 races of ARCA East this year were all combination events with big ARCA
Idk, but I feel the combination races should be apart from each other (Besides, combined events made half of the 2022 ARCA East Schedule so I think they should have a couple of non-combined events, for future years idk)
It didn't help that the K&N East Series schedule was 7 races long. They should've combined more with ARCA main, and the East schedule can be 10 races. The West Series schedule is 11 races, and the ARCA main teams only have 1 combined race. Makes me wish that ARCA main would drop one of their Kansas dates and have a combined race at Pikes Peak.
The combination races should go tbh
@@tylerpuszczewicz2535 That is a great idea. ARCA raced at Pikes Peak in 1998, so why don't they do it again? If the Xfinity and/or Truck Series could come back there, then you'd have a doubleheader or even tripleheader weekend.
Hard to believe how far this series has fallen. I remember watching a mid 90's ARCA race at Michigan broadcast on regular ESPN. The announcers said there were 80,000 people there.
Wow, never expected Carson Hocevar to comment on this video.
W Carson Hocevar
okay here me out DASH SERIES REBIRTH. that is what the arca series should be, v6 cars and all the like
Some places wouldn't put up with the high pitch noise. The fairgrounds would be out of the question because all the neighbors who moved there long after the track was there would pitch a fit.
@@TheOwl22 I don't either which is why I'd do it. Just to piss them off. Track was here first, if you don't like it, go back to where you came from.
I loved how ARCA was back in the 80's and 90's. It was full of veteran drivers and teams who used to race in NASCAR and the racing was much better back then. All that started to change when big NASCAR teams started running in ARCA to develop their young drivers in the mid 2000's and it hasn't been the same since
I hade a good friend try arca for a few years. But he ran out of money and had to stop.
That just happened to me with the legend car
@@drewhalloran9 how much did it cost to run a legend car?
I just love the fact that they use the previous gen NASCAR stock cars that looks so much better than the new gen car!!!!
Make ARCA great again!
Nascar feeder series need to recruit drivers not just former drivers former owners former officials rich kids. There’s no diversity or personality in these drivers it’s all the same damn story. Nascar was built off the underdogs, and fans love that story. Give drivers out there that aren’t a chance rather then 100% all rich kids
I think ARCA should be converted into that electric engine series they wanna play with and bring in the CARS Tour as the premiere feeder series. Hard racing, drivers trying to make it and get their name out there, and a great following across the top series' drivers and fans.
I'd be game for this idea. Especially since it's too confusing to average fan to understand the difference between arca Menards east , arca Menards west and the "bigger" ARCA. Nascar needs their name back in it and either have 2 of the 3 or 1 of the three.
Wouldn't that make for better competition and fuller/stronger fields?
Now we have ASA Stars too. CARS Tour and ASA Stars is where it’s at.
I’m excited for Toledo October 8
Kinda unrelated but related, I was personally at the Sprecher 150 at the Milwaukee mile (grandfather was racing the Vintage Series afterwards) and may of.......fell asleep during the race. Sorry but the heat and rain delay didn't help plus loud V8 race cars are kinda white noise to me.
Edit: maybe a suggestion to help ARCA: instead of running past gen cars just run Super Late Models.
Winning an arca race should pay atleast 30k to 50k
Just me but I would part Darlington on their schedule, let's face it drivers like Brad Smith who won't be going to NASCAR won't get to do that and Darlington to me seems to be a bucket list type of race track
Yeah Arca should probably go to Darlington in September though not in May.
I think you are spot on with a reduction in running costs being the answer. The British Touring Car Championship here in the UK is a great example. After the collapse of the ultra expensive Supertouring era in the late 90's/early 00's the BTCC came out with lower cost rules in 2001. Over the next few years the series saw a major growth thanks to lower costs and in more recent times, thanks to another low cost rule set, has boasted one of, if not the biggest Touring Car grid in the world.
I like to watch ARCA and want to watch it but the races are so strung out and there is 2-3 drivers who have a winning car usually being 1. I was at the season finale at kansas last year and Ty Gibbs lapped all but 3 cars by the halfway point and it was more entertains watching the haulers come in (this was during the no practice or qualifying era for the cup series) and Ty Gibbs led 98 of 100 laps before nick sanchez led the final 2 to win the most boring race I’ve ever watched on tv or seen in person
2 main problems is the operationg cost, ARCA is becoming like the cup series was before the GEN 7 car. Its a "who can spend the most money?" And as well as the payouts. Most local short tracks have the same, if not higher payouts then ARCA has
They need to get rid of the spec engine and go back to using the manufacturers engine.
i love the tyler the creator instrumental
I think either ARCA teams need higher payouts (either from racing or TV) or costs to be competitive need to go down. I can go on Racing Junk and find ARCA cars going for 35-50 thousand each. I think costs should be more like 20-30 thousand with the current payout system. I think spec motors could possibly be a fix if they are inexpensive.
The cost of the Ilmor motors are closer to $60k
Have everyone run a spec crate motor that is around 15k. Also a spec tire that is designed to last a while.
genuinely merge the 3 series together and increase payouts and decrease the costs of engines and the field would be 10x more competitive
Itd be nice if a tv deal solved the problem, but how often do you see arca on tv? Half the season is on mav with a couple big races ending up on the still niche fs1.
If nascar proper could add in thatd help, but even the trucks can hardly pay.
I think their best bet is to introduce a class racing system like Imsa. Keep the shiny new toys as the fast cars and add the old steel bodies or new construction that style as a "arca classics" series.
The speed difference is already wide enough
That way the young kids with money can get new stuff experience and the car count gets filled with cheaper cars that have that "better how it used to be" pull.
Sometimes there are ARCA East & West races on the USA Network. However these races are shown on tape delay 3-5 days after the actual race date and they are often aired at times where no one is watching such as 2 am in the morning or 11 am in the morning on a weekday.
Another thing that could help ARCA is if they got manufacturer support, as Chevrolet and Ford are being represented by cars that they don't even make anymore in the Chevrolet SS and Ford Fusion while the Toyota Camry in ARCA is an extremely old body style
Changes are coming in that respect. The fusion and the SS will be replaced with another body style. For the fords it's the mustang DGR has. Can't say what the Chevy will be but you can probably figure that out.
@@christopherbouchard4121 it's safe to assume that the SS will be replaced by the Camaro, although with GM aiming to be fully electric in a few years it's hard to say if they want to invest in changing the body for main ARCA and the east and west series, while the only manufacturer that has options is Toyota with them being able to decide if they want to update the Camry's body or go with the GR Supra like how they have with Xfinity
Still a better future than anything I could ever hope for
I'm sure ARCA will get things turned around. It just takes time. Same with NASCAR.
1st congrats on the opportunity. Secondly,I believe what you said that it will get better, I thinks it okay to watch, it just needs to be cleaned up on the edges, where I agree that a veteran from another series could do that for the sport. Great video👍👍
ARCA is a shadow of its former self
sounds like if nascar wants arca to grow into another major series they are going to have to throw some serius money at it with sometimes that much rate of return at all
Arca really needs to go back to the gen 4 style car, especially for the smaller tracks.
You’re videos are great and the first one showed no bias. I think it’s very clear you were laying out what was what with the series. Cry babies will be cry babies
Now this might come from a place of ignorance as someone who never has invested much time in ARCA, but if ARCA is a development series, who are they developing? There are like 16 year olds in the truck series. Aren’t the young guys skipping over ARCA?
Hey dale Jr Kyle busch Kurt and some other drivers and have them race against the others in and out of the season
Two things one stop using old generation cup cars I understand you’re trying to prepare drivers for those type of cars but that’s causing the most expense I would suggest running super late model cars. Most of these guys came from them and have them race at that level would have better racing. Two fixing the TV deal Would also fix a lot of the money issues for the teams. One last thing everyone forgets about the Arca Midwest tour I believe it’s an under rated race series that puts on good racing
Honestly, being that I’m east coast based, I barely know any of the west coast guys. And that shouldn’t be. I’d say make them one combined touring series. But what do I know
Cost is to way to for no money.
But I do think one thing be done spec part would bring the price down at some point in the future
Getting vets to move down to have them mentor you know what I mean
I know what's in the future for ARCA. A $50 Taco Bell gift card and a free hot dog.
to be fair to those that take issue with your stuff about ARCA you only brought up one solution here which was very vague tv deal aside the solution of "find a way to bring costs down" is a problem in all racing especially the higher up the ranks you go. I agree with that premise you bring up but simply getting tv money and a slight portion at that wouldn't do much I'm sure because I can assume Arca races don't get that much viewership.
All 3 lower series of nascar needs better payouts and purses
Couple points from the last Video.
1. Main ARCA needs to allow the current Xfinity car to compete. Those who fail to make said Xfinity race can run the ARCA race at the same track.
2. East and West needs to be a SLM series running the Unified rules. There'll be more teams than spots in a race.
3. Last and most Controversial. 16 Charters for Traditional ARCA. Also, I agree on the TV deal Darrin mentioned.
If NASCAR and ARCA want to make the series competitive again they have to eliminate these late model bodytypes and move towards a more 70s and 80s style of competition where you need to still have stock body parts to an extent.
Can I see a MLA Work cited page
Let's think through this "TV Deal" idea. When something like the Cup Series or F1 are able to profit share from their TV deals with venues and competitors it's because the TV networks are paying for the privilege to broadcast their events. You can be almost certain that's not happening with ARCA races. I think it's likely when NASCAR negotiates their overall TV deals they probably insist that a certain number races from their lower divisions receive some TV time. You can rest assured that TV networks aren't clamoring to pay for the rights to broadcast ARCA races. I doubt there's any TV deal for ARCA that could lead to profits that could be shared. If you look back about 20 years, the now defunct Champ Car World Series actually had to pay TV networks to broadcast many of their races.
Carson said it best. His comment is right
You want more spectators? Combine ARCA races with NASCAR races and share the ticket proceeds. Daytona used to run the ARCA 200 with the Busch Clash. Now they're on separate days. Must cost NASCAR more too. Bet the ticket sales don't come close to running the track for a day.
Also put ARCA back on a tv station or APP that people watch. I never even heard of MAVTV let alone watch it. Gat Amazon or Netflix or anything that gets larger viewing audiences.
Another thing would be call it NASCAR ARCA Series. The NASCAR name carries alot more weight with prospective new audiences than ARCA.
Also spot on with the $$$$. You'll probably get some legacy drivers to compete and mentor the younger ones to get them ready to move up the ladder. Ken Schrader still races. He'd be an excellent mentor and competitor for ARCA.
ARCA Is the Only Group Owned by NASCAR That I follow! No STAGE RACING which brings Unnecessary Yellows when Not Needed! JUST RACING!!
How many development series can fans support. When it cost 40 dollars for local dirt track. With the coat of everything getting ready to double soon this issue is going to get much worse. Some things need to die. It's part of life.
Still waiting for iracing to add the current arca cars
does ARCA not use crate motors??
You can certainly run the old carb motors. But they are all but crippled thanks to the ilmor agreement. And renting one of those ilmor spec motors is more than a races's pay. Its lose lose for anyone with even a modest operation
@@syaieya gotcha
Only thing i love about ARCA that nascar needs to adpot is the race has to end under green
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Just make it a late model series 💀
East and West definitely.
What future
So what about NASCAR buying Iowa Speedway and not going back?
What does the future hold for ARCA? Teaching drivers how to brake
Well that why I skip Arca not competitive any more it the truth guys
This just sounds like Xfinity without the Cup drivers..let it die
Reduce the cost and up the pay.
My lifetime interest in arca has come to an end. There are already too many children racing bumper cars at bumper tracks.
NASCAR is destroying everything they touch. Have been for a decade. Haven't watched a race in 5 years.
When you say "nascar isn't going to buy somthing to let it die" you should really look up what the France family & the Daytona Motorsports Group did to AMA Pro Racing...
Iracing 1st Hour Top Split Arca > Irl Arca 😏
You act like there is substantial TV money, in reality, it wouldn’t surprise me if ARCA pays to be on TV.
It's no secret the K&N/ARCA west/east series has been slowly stealing away young talent from local short track races. Any 15-20 year old kid with a budget that wants to go cup racing maybe runs late models for a year or so then jumps straight to the west/east series.
For the past 15 years, ARCA has become the feeder series for guys looking to hit the big time in stock car racing. It is what it is and it is no longer the independent league stock car circuit it used to be.
IMO, make the minimum age for the series 18 years old. More importantly, merge all the east/west/big ARCA series into one and make it a feeder series/touring series. 150-200 mile races nationwide maybe 15-22 times per year. The short races, old cup cars, and crate engines will keep costs down and anyone wanting to run top dog in NASCAR must run a full season in ARCA to be approved for any further high level racing. The series can also be an experiment rat for new tracks/tracks NASCAR is looking to return to in a way to see how competitive the racing can be.
This strategy keeps short tracks alive, NASCAR healthy, and ensures only the best of the best reach the cup level as the young rookies get plenty of seat time in a late model car before they ever climb into a stock car cranking well over 700HP with very real consequences.
This new strategy will bring more fans in and more money to the teams. Think of it like a futures game for major league baseball. Everyone wants to see the future star on the come up.
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Horrors will happen
ARCA started going to shit once NASCAR got its hands on it.
ARCA is dead and won't come back
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unfortunately nascar strangled and sucked itself dry by 2012,, look at the loss of fans, and they will do the same to arca,,,they ( woke ) up to corporate greed and never looked back