There was a part where I made an editing mistake and the same clip played 2 times in a row, it drives me nuts😭 UA-cam doesn’t let you file replace so we are stuck with it forever😭😭
Because the casual NFL viewer doesn't understand that it all starts with the O-line. They see a qb get sacked and blame it on his mobility. They see a qb get hit by a 350-400lb man, and because he has that pressure in his face he throws a bad pass, but instead of blaming the O-line, they blame the qb for holding the ball to long.
@@rocksjoshua Evaluating an offense well has to start with line play. If the line can't regularly provide at least minimal protection, nobody else can be properly judged.
@@MMTT7sALd That was Jerry Reese. Dude couldn't draft past the 2nd round & notoriously neglected O-line & LBs. That is one aspect of Gettleman's job I don't ever hear talked about. He had to come in & clean up Reese's mess with the lack of depth & awful contracts. He already had a better draft last yr than Reese ever did. He found 4 starters.
@@rrrrr767 Yea you guys went 15-1 with him as a GM & won the NFC. Panther fans shit on him for getting rid of Norman & Smith but it was smart. Smith gone was a locker room/team chemistry move (just like Odell) & getting rid of Norman allowed you re-sign good young players like Turner & Short.
This video needs to be on NFL network, because all of these analysts/fans continue to bash Eli. Gettleman and Shurmur have been saying Eli still has it. Do you think the Giants should wait and draft a QB next year?, seeing how the Giants will be in the top 15 again.2020 QB class is better than 2019.
@@CatchEmAllSaul even with a new QB there's a lot of holes. It's going to be a lost season regardless might as well pull a Sam hinkie and pile up picks.
It's going to take a lot more then a 3rd and a 5th for Rosen They are going to gun for 17 or min a number 2. It's delusional to think the Cardinals will just give up Rosen for surplus draft stock.
Giants offense since 2009: Incomplete out route on 1st 2 yard run on second 4 yard dump off Punt Giants drafting since 2009: Skill positions that are for naught because the line isn't there
Eli: How can we get on the same page OBJ? OBJ: Throw the ball to me every time... Eli: Well what if there is a better throw? OBJ: There is never a better throw! Eli: Well what if you're not open? OBJ: I'm always open, THROW ME THE BALL every time!!! ELI: WTF? Good Luck Mayfield.
As much as I love OBJ, I feel the relationship between him and Eli mirrors Eli's relationship with Shockey. I imagine Eli and Jeremy have had that conversation above.
@rustydog0329 Yes, if your Defense and Offense are clicking for 4 quarters straight, which in a Super Bowl match ain't happening. That's the beauty of football, it's any given Sunday. This is coming from a Miami Dolphins fan who witnessed the Miami Miracle live in person and saw Kelvin Benjamin drop a a game winning pass in the endzone with 0:00 left the previous week before.
Giants offensive line since 2011 has averaged 25th (8th worst) in the NFL. Their run game averaged 24th (9th worst). Their Wide Recievers have ranked among the league leaders in dropped passes in several seasons. Since Eli became a Giant he's played for a team with a Top 10 Scoring Defense TWICE! That's 2/15 years (13% of his career). By comparison, Tom Brady has played on a team with a Top 10 Scoring Defense 16/18 years (89% of his career). Brady has also played on a team ranked Top 10 in special Teams 14/18 years (78% of his career). Gee, don't you think that makes a difference in a game that relies on TEAM more than any other? A lot of NFL fans are really ignorant. They look at QB stats in a vacuum without factoring in the performance of the TEAM around him (you know, the other 49 guys that dress up on Sunday). Also, Coaching and Personnel Management and deployment are major factors. Eli hasn't failed the Giants. The organization has failed him. The guy gets no respect and is undeservedly treated like garbage year after year from his own fans and both local and national sports writers. I've been closely following sports for 30 years and I've never seen anything like it. A Two Time Superbowl Champion & 2 X MVP, beating the "GOAT QB And Coach" BOTH times in come from behind fashion, has successfully overcome a TON of adversity from inside and outside his own locker room, yet he is treated like a bum in the park. Eli Manning ranks Top 10 All-Time in TD Passes, Passing Yards, Completions, & 4th quarter comebacks. Like it or not he's going to be enshrined in Canton one day when all is said and done. Eli will have the last laugh, book it! Yet, he never complains, he never throws a teammate under the bus, he never curses off a reporter or "fan", never steps out of line and publicly airs out his dirty laundry against team management (like contemporaries such as Rodgers or Roethlisberger have done on several occasions). Humble and respectful as they come, ALWAYS a team first guy, and yet he is somehow, someway, universally mocked and hated by the majority. Have I mentioned he's one of the TOUGHEST and most DURABLE to EVER play the position?? We live in a twisted world folks. I've never seen a guy, in ANY sport, who has accomplished so much under well below ideal circumstances, that is so underappreciated and undervalued as Eli Manning is, especially by his own team's fan base. The majority of NYG fans don't deserve Eli and never have. Perhaps one day they'll appreciate him, long after he's gone, when the Giants haven't won a damn thing for 40 years and have yet to find another franchise QB to replace him. Maybe, just MAYBE then they will begin to understand, and respect the special QB and MAN they had on their side, in their teams huddle in those clutch moments, and failed to appreciate all those years.
I love this take. I've watched the Giants for years, Eli hasn't really changed. There's definitely O line problems in recent years, but he's the same QB he's always been All these analysts saying Eli should be replaced now are idiots. Thanks for the great breakdown
People always forget that Eli was sacked a career high number of times last year. I always tell people to watch the week 2 game against Dallas and try to think of any quarterback that could play behind that O-Line.
according to everyone (aside a few who know who they are and are knowledgeable) in the media think that Haskins, Murray or Rosen can with no problem and that the 0-line isnt an issue. its amazing how misinformed people are
For the first 8 weeks the Giants had one of the worst offensive line showings in NFL history, if any other veteran quarterback had to put up with that o-line the media would be screaming if Tom Brady had to put with that there would be riots........ oh but did you know it's all Eli's fault
Happy to see someone with real football knowledge analyzing Eli's game properly, not just some talking head getting paid to create verbal diarrhea on a show no one is watching. Guy has a lot in the tank, and the more I think about it the more I realize that Odell was a bigger problem than I gave him credit for.
@The Irish Italian It really is refreshing. I mean the guy had the most points in the NFC east at the end of the year, highest completion % of his career, was extremely efficient throwing down the field, was sacked 47 times on 3 step drops (which supports Zac's claim that this o line was so bad that it really was hard to watch), and he improved at the end of the year while Obj was faking an injury to get off the field. Th guy is a class act and has never done anything but what is best for the team. Hopefully he can shut some people up this year.
@@braydenlawson5369 Well actually if you listen to what Zac said, Eli felt compelled to force the ball to Odell even when it probably wasn't the right move because you always have to try and keep your diva wr happy. Also, some of Eli's best from last year was in the last 6 games, Odell missed 4 of them, just sayin.
@@SmrGaming-ry3if Yes, good players make plays. Using your logic, Eli should avoid throwing to Saquon because it might make him look less talented? Maybe Eli should try to put up big numbers without using the talent around him? That'll prove how good he is!! (Heavy sarcasm) Also, what would you prefer your qb to do when his oline isn't giving him any time: take a sack/throw the ball away OR dump it off to your superstar back who might make something happen? Hmm that a tough one (more heavy sarcasm)
@@braydenlawson5369 Dude people have been talking about Eli's leadership for 20 years. He's never been a vocal aggressive leader why would he start when he's 38? All that matters is that he's proven he can win, as evidence by his two championships rings. So as far as I'm concerned, if it ain't broke don't fix it. We have about 57 holes on this team, why focus on a position that isn't a problem?
You clearly don’t watch football if you haven’t realized that. The entire offense is invisible until we are already losing by a lot. That’s because the defense sags since they’re expecting deep balls
@@SmrGaming-ry3if sometimes (like this year) giants are just like the jets: predictable play calling with a sub-par offense and manning is a victim of this (again!). with that said, however, your assertion is not correct as you can see by this link, eli manning's passing in first halves is almost identical to his passing in second halves. my original comment still stands: www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/situationalstats ps: i've been watching/playing football for over 40 years
Smr3101 Gaming fam do you realize that the giants lost like 8 games by a touchdown or less. The giants didn’t trail by three touchdowns but maybe like 3 times this season
I love how people take a fat dump on Odell now that he isn’t the same receiver as the guy who made possibly the greatest catch of all time. Where was that energy when Odell was doing good? He is still a reliable target and still puts up solid numbers (other than a year or two). I’ve always thought Odell was overrated, but now everyone has decided to turn their backs on him because of his “new found diva like attitude” when he has been that same person since LSU?
You are already better than most of the people at major networks. Love how you present the material, your insight, your professionalism. Lifetime subscriber, and yes, I have been telling as many people as I can about your channel. ESPN, please hire this guy! Give him a weekly show. I would pay $ to watch it.
Y’all lost because half the season your offensive line was nonexistent and the rest of the time your defense is nonexistent, because you got rid of the good players (JPP, Snacks, DRC)
@@TheNickaTv yeah and we got almost nothing in return even trading away eli apple was a bad idea because we got nothing out of it and had one less person on defense
Nathaniel Shepard bro you had the god himself BW Webb. On a real note though, former Giants fan Gettleman cannot be my GM, the Giants got trade raped A 5th round pick for Snacks, the best run stopping DT in football, DRC was cut to make room for solid players like Jonathan Stewart and a bunch of nobodies from Carolina A 4th round pick for Eli Apple A 4th round pick for JPP, which was ok because BJ Hill shows promise. But Gettleman has destroyed a talented team with some chemistry problems, a lot of personalities, that was missing an offensive line to a team with an above avg OLine, assuming that trade involving Vernon works out well, with no talent anywhere else As I see it now the Giants have Jackrabbit, Ogletree, Goodson, and Barkley the OLine should be good but under appreciated and wings and prayers everywhere else Sorry for the essay I’m just really sore about not having a team to cheer for now because I would have been happier being a losing team with work to do than the kid in the corner shitting himself eating glue
TheNickaTv dude loved the essay and it’s completely accurate, it’s weird I just feel like under any other team the giants roster should have one a super bow with any roster for the past few years but for some reason we can’t do it. Maybe it’s because of close 4th quarter loses or bad team chemistry idk, all I know is we have and have had potential and just need that extra push
For five years the Giants have failed to address the line. It Eli's fault by default because he is still standing. He has no protectio. The second half of the season, he played well. Defense is this teams achilles heel. Eli is a scapegoat. He is the man under center that has a turnstile of an offensive line. Good break down. When Odell missed the 4 games, Eli spread the rock amd they were in the games
TheBalkanSnorlax he isn’t first year eligible worthy is the thing. He’s Hall of Fame worthy after 5+ years past his eligibility and when there is a “weak” class. He isn’t a HOFer in first vote as he has NEVER been more than above average to good his entire career. He never elevates others, he needs to be elevated by the talent around him.
@@impervius8690 i didn't say that he is a first ballot hall of famer, but a 2x sb champion and mvp, he came through when it mattered. He is nowhere near his brother stats wise but, his ability to read defenses (him and peyton do that the best) really overshadowed his capability and talent as a qb. There are far more complete, accurate and stronger arm qbs than him, but his decision making alone is canton worthy.
TheBalkanSnorlax his decision making is garbage compared to Peyton. What the fuck are you smoking? Eli has been among the league leaders in picks every year basically for the last FIVE years. Even before then, his first four years in the league were such underwhelming garbage that giants fans wanted him out of town. HOF is guys who can elevate others, not those who need to be elevated. Eli is a HOF after waiting at LEAST 5 years and when he gets lucky to enter an incredibly weak HOF class.
Can’t ignore that Post-season Eli is still a scary, scary opponent. He’s a monster Just got to get there. I believe in him honestly, but you’re right about the Oline. Giants have to make a move in FA and draft a good O Line ...but that Cowboys with the stunt AND the nickel blitz??? Jeeeeezzz
Thank you for being an intellectual. I’ve been trying to tell people this for the longest time and now there’s a video to back it up. You earned a sub💯
100% agree with this video! The real issue with Eli is the ESPN NBC CBS NFL NETWORK FOX “experts” (and fans) don’t watch film or full games even. That’s why we need to support this dude and content like this.
YES! I've been telling EVERYONE ever since 2016, that Eli is still a good QB, he has no line and used to have no running game. He even has no defense, as they gave up over 200 POINTS this season. Eli Manning is still an amazing QB, and I would gladly take him on my Football team.
Amazing? Lmao he's above average at best even with good protection, sure he can still make big throws but not on a consistent basis anymore, the arm just isn't there, and he still makes boneheaded decisions way too often for a veteran qb, he's not even close to the same qb he was in 2011 that o line was pretty bad too just not as bad as it's been the passed few years the difference is Eli was able to overcome it back then now he can't. He's too skittish in the pocket he's constantly worried about getting hit that's why when the o line isn't perform at a decent level Eli is an absolutely horrendous qb because he's scared of getting hit, he falls to the ground before the pash rusher even gets to him most of the time
THANK YOU!!! Very glad i found your channel bc you actually watch film! I feel like im the only person who still does and these "analyst" who dont are driving me nuts. Im a diehard giants fan and hope to have more sports content on my channel soon and you nailed it on the head about the strange odell and eli connection. Giants fans shouldnt think eli is bad but i think were just tired of the poor mechanics and missed throws.
Great video as always, and great points. Also, looking at his 2018 stats, he thrown a 66% completion rate, highest of his career. And he took 47 sacks, the most of his career. The Giants' struggles is not due to Eli. That O-line was atrocious. 😑
The "problem" is for me more his age than his ability. He has one season left on his contract, and it would seem pretty likely he retires in one of two years. It would nice to have someone before we need him. As for the line, look for Giants to take a RT in first or second round of the draft
Very well thought out great video, but I completely disagree with the mechanics ur talking about. Eli is on the tall side of 6 ‘4, and weighs barely 205 probably rn, no way with just his shoulder he can throw a ball 60 plus yards. Maybe if ur cam newton with that big upper body. Eli manning does his best to get his feet planted really good actually. I think you were a little to hard on him about that aspect. But that’s just my opinion. But that Being said everything else in the video was spot on.
Hell yeah! before I had finished this video I had already shared it with some friends. I like how dedicated you are to watching film and breaking it down, made it really easy for someone like me who has very little football knowledge easier to understand. Keep doing what you're doing, I subscribed!
Thank you for being one of the very, VERY few people talking sense about Eli. Funny thing is, the biggest mouths are the ones that aren't even Giants fans and hence, haven't watched games/film/etc...
i've been consuming a grotesque and unhealthy amount of football content lately. you're probably the only person i've heard who has analysis like this, and hasn't just taken a giant dump on eli manning. this is coming from a patriots fan by the way. well done sir, i think your analysis is spot on. hopefully eli and obj will each be more productive next year on their different teams.
I agree with you 100% Zac the o-line is the problem with the Giants. The chemistry between Eli and OBJ could have been worked out with simple communication. I think OBJ was traded for cap space and to create NFL parity.
Your channel is awesome! I love the focus on film and facts. It seems as if the media likes to pick apart the most popular player(s) to drive click/view traffic but the reality is there's ten other players on that field with him. The breakdown of the Giants makes a lot more sense when you realize the o-line couldn't protect Eli long enough to get the ball into Odell's hands. And when Odell isn't getting the ball, he gets grumpy; and when he gets grumpy, he stops working.
I like the content of your videos. Could you please do a video on Nick Bosa vs Quinnen Williams? Who do you think is a better prospect and who should be first to be drafted? Thank you
You, my friend, have some of the best analysis I have seen on the internet and as a life long giant fan I can say you actually watch the film..you understand the offensive line issues and the fact that Eli Manning is still a very good quarterback.. good luck to you sir and keep up the great work
Welp, as a Browns fan, I can tell you we double-whammyed ourselves in that OBJ trade. Punched a gaping hole in our solid OLine based on a wisp of a hope that the guy who didn't play more than a handful of snaps was up to the task. And then brought discord into the receiver ranks. Baker didn't break the rookie passing record with OBJ on the roster. Once he was there, though, shit went down the crapper. Granted, everything is always in flux in Cleveland, so it isn't fair to dump it all on OBJ's arrival. Add to that OBJ is super talented, and people LOVE to bet on potential. Problem is, they tend to ignore the associated negatives. Trading a draft pick with no face and someone from the not-so-glamorous lineman position for the legendary OBJ seems like a steal. Until the line starts sinking like a paper machet rowboat, and even though he racks up a ton of yards, OBJ and the rest of the corps translate this into mostly ineffectual stat padding - minus the points that they SHOULD have on the board. I suspect OBJ would be better off with a team that really needs even just one good receiver. He seems like the kind of guy who shines more when all the focus is on him, but this attitude tends to be corrosive to possible existing chemistry.
Eli our up the same numbers as Brady and Rodgers while being sacked nearly 50 times and under constant pressure. Guy is a 4500 yards 30 TD guy if protected. He’s got a potential 1800-2000 yard RB and a revamped line. Great vid brother!
Honestly i agree fully. I mean look a few years ago. The chemistry between eli and cruz was fantastic! I just dont think obj and eli could never really get on the same page as cruz and eli did. Obviously the o line has some part in the sacks, but when it comes to chemistry with wr's, its going to be interesting to see how this season goes without obj, and a few new rookies, and a bit of a beefer o line
Dude, THANK YOU! So tired of the lazy analysis being regurgitated by people who clearly don't watch the Giants every game (though who could blame them?). The worst part is these people -- supposed "fans" included -- talk out of both sides of their mouth, acknowledging that our O-line has been hot garbage (at best) for years, while also expecting Eli to somehow thrive behind it. They cite his poor season in 2017 even though OBJ and Marshall were out for most of the year, Shepard missed several games, not a single starting O-lineman on that roster was either on the team to start or finish the next season (Flowers), no RB was even on an NFL roster period (Darwka, Vereen, etc.), and the same could be said about the majority of his receiving corps (King, Rudolph, Lewis Jr.). But again, he should've performed at an MVP level all things considered... Anyway, rant over, great breakdown, though I fear you're preaching to the choir. The OBJ fanboys wouldn't even make it past the part where OBJ is criticized for his body language and immaturity.
Great analysis. Thank you so much for pointing out that he is still can make the throws and reads defenses. It is amazing that most people how are so called experts don't have a clue what they are talking about or know how to watch a football game. I will say that the slant pattern against the Eagles should have been called PI and it was not even close. Also the stunt the Cowboys showed on that sack was something they were showing all night. It is the job of the lineman that if nobody comes to your side, you wheel back and pick up backside rush. They could not and did not do that throughout the entire game. Once again great analysis and great channel.
Eli was leading the league in Ints long before OBJ got there. Dude has almost a 1-1 TD to turnover ratio for his career, has only won a playoff game in 2 seasons and will finish his career under .500 winning percentage. If his brother wasn’t Peyton he would have been out of the league years ago.
@@Nick-zs1kx Im talking about consistency when he gets the chance to throw. He CAN make any throw but his mechanics are so bad that he doesn’t do so consistently
exactly, the dude completely ignores clips of Eli just straight missing guys. Not saying its all Eli's fault, but given his age, ability, and salary, its definitely time to move on
Wow, that was actually the best and most comprehensive analysis of player and play dynamics in the NFL. Better than any has been on one of those big channels. Those are more about sensationism and their own ego.
Good shit, I'm glad we got a purely analytical view of eli's performance this season rather than sportscasters just blaming him entirely for their downfall this past season. Subscribed.
That point about Manning only making mindless throws at OBJ actually makes a lot of sense to me. Beckham is a transcendent talent in the league; one of the few receivers that not only can get separation at a moment's notice, but also doesn't necessarily need separation to make the catch, even though he's relatively undersized for the modern receiver prototype. When you have as little time to throw as Eli does, that clock in your head has to be ticking, and if Beckham can catch basically anything you throw at him from any position, all you have to do is get it to him in a place he has even a minuscule chance to come down with it. Thing is, when you can't get much velocity on your throws anymore, that's as much a liability as it is a blessing. So, yeah, lots of those throws are pretty ill-advised, but with Beckham replaced with a supremely reliable but unheralded Golden Tate, I actually expect Eli to have a bit of a renaissance year, so long as the play calling adjusts. The Giants have everything they need to be a great west coast offense; transcendent dual-threat HB, reliable receivers, a big receiving TE, and a QB with a quick mind and good accuracy. They just need to coach to those traits and not try to be the Killer B's without the necessary offensive line.
So you’re telling me It’s OBJs fault that Eli becomes a bad QB when throwing to OBJ Even tho Every analytical study shows that Eli with OBJ in the lineup is an average QB But when Odell doesn’t play He becomes the worst QB in the league Cool
Martavius Echols Eli doesn’t have any game left You build your offense around your best players Not a deteriorating QB Odell excels at in breaking timing throws Something that even in his prime Eli was never great at Eli at his best had a beautiful deep ball He no longer has that There’s literally treads of videos online showing Eli either miss, over throw or worse under throw Odell in his routes But I guess that’s Odell’s fault too But hey now we gonna have Eli check down all day to saquon to boast his stats Since that’s way we got last year
I think it was a week or so ago I had subbed to you and you only had 5.7k subs and now you have over 27k. You’re growing fast man. So keep you’re head up and posting good content man! I believe in you man, and you’re content is just super good in general, it shows a different aspect of the game. God bless brother!
Show me the throws he isn't making. The throws he misses. Alot of time OBJ is open down field and he makes an easy paly. Does not seem like a great QB. I'm calling BS
bryuhn He said AS big of a talking point. And we all know he isn’t talking about looked at the same without that catch. Anytime somebody makes a play or plays like that, they’re looked at different. Doesn’t take anything away from him but that’s literally what made fans keep their eyes on him. He’s talked about more than some receivers that are better than him, is that not true?
The MVP of that cowboys sack play was 98. Holds the guard (who wasn’t going to make it to Lawrence anyway) while engaging the tackle, causing an unintended double team, and Lawrence dines on Eli soup. D-Line coaching is on point for Dallas.
*Eli throws pick on out route because he doesn't have the arm strength to make the throw* "Eli can still make all the throws." Y'all keep living in the past with this guy. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick with ringzzz.
Just found your channel tonight. I'm a long time giants fan is why I watched this video by the way and going to watch more now! Your analysis is freaking fantastic, keep up the great work!
A tip for your videos. You should try to repeat yourself less. You have great analysis, but you seem to need to keep reiterating your point. For example 4:50-6:50, you just repeat the same three points multiple times, down to the same phrases. Try to be less repetitive.
Also, I think you should try to look at your papers a little less often, if you could. Your style seems to model a very informal conversational style, kind of like a Colin Cowherd. Pausing and looking at your notes takes the flow out of what you're saying. This would be alright if you weren't going for this conversational style of presentation. For example from 12:07-12:44, you look at your notes multiple times during sentences, and this takes that conversational feel out of it.
Watch giants be better this year because OBJ is gone. I cant believe people wanted him more than AB, then call AB a diva. OBJ is the definition of a Diva.
@@dreamvillez id actually maybe contest that statement... But that wasnt the point of what i was saying. I was just saying, especially being in the bay, a lot of 9er fans especially, but national fans in general, were saying they wanted OBJ more than AB, criticizing AB for being a Diva.... I was pointing out the hypocrisy. OBJ is the biggest Diva in the league currently... Though Bakers competing for that title pretty strongly
Zach, your stuff is awesome. Smart commentaries, and unbiased by hype or gripe. You just became my NFL breakdown specialist for this season. Great job. Can't wait to hear some horrible truths about my Raiders...😁
I have to disagree with your analysis here. While there are certainly examples of Eli making good plays and decisions, he gave up a lot of opportunities throughout the season for big gains and forced the ball at times that made no sense. I also find the claim that he's a better quarterback when he's not throwing to odell to be false as well. While it's certainly true that there were times he forced the ball to odell, and did so more to him than other receivers, the Giants had been objectively better with odell on the field for the past few years. You're not wrong about the O-line though.
I am glad and thankful you made this. Eli had one of his best season for completion percentage 66% highest of his career and the lowest interception since like 2008
So I'm a GIANTS fan so I remember Eli before we got Odell and he was leading the league in turnovers so what your putting out their is a major falsehood he may read the defense but he often makes inaccurate throws
I'm actually interested to see how Eli Manning and the Giants do without OBJ because you made a great point about him forcing the ball to him a lot. Maybe the Giants will do better
Eli Manning leads in INT too. His reads arent good they are way off. He does force the ball thats why he always gets intercepted. OBJ and Barkley helped Eli pad his stats. Obj being abke to catch anything and Barkley was there for the check down and got alot of yards from nothing.
Hey man LOVE your content! Keep rollin it out. I listen to the podcast on my way to work now. Great stuff. Don’t know if you were aware but at 4:56 and 5:56 you edited the same segment back to back. Not trying to be critical, just trying to help!
Don't beat yourself up over it: I was a professional editor for too many years to admit and it happens. (we always had as producer check the video..you don't have that luxury. Hang in there. Keep it up. @@StrongOpinionSports
Eli is heavily underrated Quarterback because he’s a heavily cerebral QB. Like this amazing video points out Eli is great at reading defenses and coverage. Eli grew into that because in his prime he had a big arm and actually from a quarterback standpoint aged well what didn’t age well was the team around him. Dave Gettleman while no Belichick was dealing with a broken team. A team that had a lot of developing issues in terms of a Volcanic Locker room But the biggest issue is we need to sure up the LT position or the Center position. If Gettleman can do this years draft well we have a chance of being decent again not great but decent
My first thought was... oh another boy wanna make another clip about what the giants should do or shouldn’t do... when u went on and on with your content, I immediately changed my mind. I’m glad that I’ve watched your video. You’re a great analyst.
Shockz was more than 1 game, especially that season. Remember the panthers game against Norman? Dropped the easiest pass of his life. I’m not saying Odell is bad, he’s a great talent, but he is not consistent enough. Not to mention the injuries.
Sgt Pork not consistent? LMFAOOOOO 3 straight seasons of 90+ rec, 1,300+ rec yards & 10+ TDs. 4/5 seasons of 1,000+ rec yards (2017 was on pace for 100 rec 1,208 rec yards 12 TDs). 3x Pro bowler (should’ve been pb this season too but 🤷🏽♂️) 14 Franchise Records & 22 NFL Records. You act like no one drops passes, ex Julio Jones (who’s labeled a better WR) dropped a WIDE OPEN pass in the end zone, but you wouldn’t say anything about him. Lol
In my opinion, this is the best overall analysis of Manning and Odell Beckham I’ve seen yet, the media just screams that Manning is old and can’t throw the ball to OBJ and that OBJ is being misrepresented as a “Diva” but in reality that’s what’s happened.
if you watch film on both, they are very similar, but id rather have Odell. He's as good of a route runner, and probably the best receiver with the ball in his hands. And Brown is just a straight cancer
I agree with you, to add to your analysis, Giants needs to keep him for 5 more years and pay him twice the amount. We can never blame Eli for anything, its the rest of the team.
There was a part where I made an editing mistake and the same clip played 2 times in a row, it drives me nuts😭
UA-cam doesn’t let you file replace so we are stuck with it forever😭😭
My dude. You need to make a twitter account and post clips on your twitter. As people retweet and the content gets shared you'll see growth.
Strong Opinion Sports you dun goofed my boy.
Thanks for addressing this. I thought I had a mini-stroke.
Strong Opinion Sports I thought I was going nuts and rewinded to make sure and ended up listen to it 4x
Very nice video
The offensive line has been the issue for YEARS now but everyone wants to blame Eli.
Because the casual NFL viewer doesn't understand that it all starts with the O-line. They see a qb get sacked and blame it on his mobility. They see a qb get hit by a 350-400lb man, and because he has that pressure in his face he throws a bad pass, but instead of blaming the O-line, they blame the qb for holding the ball to long.
Coming from a Jets fan #respect
@@rocksjoshua Evaluating an offense well has to start with line play. If the line can't regularly provide at least minimal protection, nobody else can be properly judged.
Same thing is going on with Aaron Rodgers. Besides depleting receivers. And a horibble o line that ends up in Rodgers getting hurt.
Bear 7453 Maybe when Eli holds the ball too long gets sacked that’s on Eli..
He gets sacked because that O line is horrendous. I would gladly take Eli with a viable o line
Corey Umberger they've been in need of oline since like 2013 idk what their gm is doing
Dude Gentleman is one of the worst gms in NFL, a panthers fan can tell u lol
@@MMTT7sALd That was Jerry Reese. Dude couldn't draft past the 2nd round & notoriously neglected O-line & LBs. That is one aspect of Gettleman's job I don't ever hear talked about. He had to come in & clean up Reese's mess with the lack of depth & awful contracts. He already had a better draft last yr than Reese ever did. He found 4 starters.
@@rrrrr767 Yea you guys went 15-1 with him as a GM & won the NFC. Panther fans shit on him for getting rid of Norman & Smith but it was smart. Smith gone was a locker room/team chemistry move (just like Odell) & getting rid of Norman allowed you re-sign good young players like Turner & Short.
is it safe to say overpaying for LTs in free agency is not worth it?
This is excellent, you’ve got a real talent for sports talk and podcasting. Keep it up man!
This video needs to be on NFL network, because all of these analysts/fans continue to bash Eli. Gettleman and Shurmur have been saying Eli still has it.
Do you think the Giants should wait and draft a QB next year?, seeing how the Giants will be in the top 15 again.2020 QB class is better than 2019.
The Irish Italian I agree they should trade maybe a 3rd and a 5th round pick for Rosen.
I think you should let Eli play til he doesn't want to you can build a young team via draft. Long term success
Admiral Calamari when are the giants going to pick this high again
Or you down for another lost season
@@CatchEmAllSaul even with a new QB there's a lot of holes. It's going to be a lost season regardless might as well pull a Sam hinkie and pile up picks.
It's going to take a lot more then a 3rd and a 5th for Rosen
They are going to gun for 17 or min a number 2. It's delusional to think the Cardinals will just give up Rosen for surplus draft stock.
Giants offense since 2009:
Incomplete out route on 1st
2 yard run on second
4 yard dump off
Punt
Giants drafting since 2009:
Skill positions that are for naught because the line isn't there
Joe Ross won a Super Bowl doing that
Eli: How can we get on the same page OBJ?
OBJ: Throw the ball to me every time...
Eli: Well what if there is a better throw?
OBJ: There is never a better throw!
Eli: Well what if you're not open?
OBJ: I'm always open, THROW ME THE BALL every time!!!
ELI: WTF?
Good Luck Mayfield.
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Strong Opinion Sports brilliant analysis brother. New subscribe.
Pfff, watch how well Mayfield and OBJ work together. Good luck with Eli.
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maybe so... I don’t hate OBJ. I wish him continued success.
As much as I love OBJ, I feel the relationship between him and Eli mirrors Eli's relationship with Shockey. I imagine Eli and Jeremy have had that conversation above.
From a Giants fan, I thoroughly enjoyed the video. Good shit
His IQ is what won him his 2 Rings. Both Super Bowls were won in same fashion, 2 Minute Drill Style
@rustydog0329 Yes, if your Defense and Offense are clicking for 4 quarters straight, which in a Super Bowl match ain't happening. That's the beauty of football, it's any given Sunday. This is coming from a Miami Dolphins fan who witnessed the Miami Miracle live in person and saw Kelvin Benjamin drop a a game winning pass in the endzone with 0:00 left the previous week before.
@Billy Taylor eli was clutch too
Giants offensive line since 2011 has averaged 25th (8th worst) in the NFL. Their run game averaged 24th (9th worst). Their Wide Recievers have ranked among the league leaders in dropped passes in several seasons. Since Eli became a Giant he's played for a team with a Top 10 Scoring Defense TWICE! That's 2/15 years (13% of his career). By comparison, Tom Brady has played on a team with a Top 10 Scoring Defense 16/18 years (89% of his career). Brady has also played on a team ranked Top 10 in special Teams 14/18 years (78% of his career). Gee, don't you think that makes a difference in a game that relies on TEAM more than any other?
A lot of NFL fans are really ignorant. They look at QB stats in a vacuum without factoring in the performance of the TEAM around him (you know, the other 49 guys that dress up on Sunday). Also, Coaching and Personnel Management and deployment are major factors. Eli hasn't failed the Giants. The organization has failed him. The guy gets no respect and is undeservedly treated like garbage year after year from his own fans and both local and national sports writers. I've been closely following sports for 30 years and I've never seen anything like it.
A Two Time Superbowl Champion & 2 X MVP, beating the "GOAT QB And Coach" BOTH times in come from behind fashion, has successfully overcome a TON of adversity from inside and outside his own locker room, yet he is treated like a bum in the park. Eli Manning ranks Top 10 All-Time in TD Passes, Passing Yards, Completions, & 4th quarter comebacks. Like it or not he's going to be enshrined in Canton one day when all is said and done. Eli will have the last laugh, book it!
Yet, he never complains, he never throws a teammate under the bus, he never curses off a reporter or "fan", never steps out of line and publicly airs out his dirty laundry against team management (like contemporaries such as Rodgers or Roethlisberger have done on several occasions). Humble and respectful as they come, ALWAYS a team first guy, and yet he is somehow, someway, universally mocked and hated by the majority. Have I mentioned he's one of the TOUGHEST and most DURABLE to EVER play the position?? We live in a twisted world folks. I've never seen a guy, in ANY sport, who has accomplished so much under well below ideal circumstances, that is so underappreciated and undervalued as Eli Manning is, especially by his own team's fan base.
The majority of NYG fans don't deserve Eli and never have. Perhaps one day they'll appreciate him, long after he's gone, when the Giants haven't won a damn thing for 40 years and have yet to find another franchise QB to replace him. Maybe, just MAYBE then they will begin to understand, and respect the special QB and MAN they had on their side, in their teams huddle in those clutch moments, and failed to appreciate all those years.
Spot on.
exactly what i've been feeling/thinking for the last 7 years.
Well said sir
Well said. The Giants failed to put a defense or offensive line around him for most of his career.
110% correct
The Giants gave really wasted a lot of Eli Mannings prime years.
TOAT S also obj
King MarkoNYC he did that to himself
They won 2 super bowls plus the giants have been awful at drafting in recent years.
umm false his team were loaded in his prime.
Yep. The latter part of his prime. Last 6-7 years.
I love this take.
I've watched the Giants for years, Eli hasn't really changed. There's definitely O line problems in recent years, but he's the same QB he's always been
All these analysts saying Eli should be replaced now are idiots. Thanks for the great breakdown
You must not have seen the Bills game. He was terrible. The Bills defense hammered them.
People always forget that Eli was sacked a career high number of times last year. I always tell people to watch the week 2 game against Dallas and try to think of any quarterback that could play behind that O-Line.
according to everyone (aside a few who know who they are and are knowledgeable) in the media think that Haskins, Murray or Rosen can with no problem and that the 0-line isnt an issue. its amazing how misinformed people are
For the first 8 weeks the Giants had one of the worst offensive line showings in NFL history, if any other veteran quarterback had to put up with that o-line the media would be screaming if Tom Brady had to put with that there would be riots........ oh but did you know it's all Eli's fault
Tony Romo says hold his beer :p
Happy to see someone with real football knowledge analyzing Eli's game properly, not just some talking head getting paid to create verbal diarrhea on a show no one is watching. Guy has a lot in the tank, and the more I think about it the more I realize that Odell was a bigger problem than I gave him credit for.
@The Irish Italian It really is refreshing. I mean the guy had the most points in the NFC east at the end of the year, highest completion % of his career, was extremely efficient throwing down the field, was sacked 47 times on 3 step drops (which supports Zac's claim that this o line was so bad that it really was hard to watch), and he improved at the end of the year while Obj was faking an injury to get off the field. Th guy is a class act and has never done anything but what is best for the team. Hopefully he can shut some people up this year.
Just remember barkley had almost 100 receptions. Barkely made eli look way better than he actually is
@@braydenlawson5369 Well actually if you listen to what Zac said, Eli felt compelled to force the ball to Odell even when it probably wasn't the right move because you always have to try and keep your diva wr happy. Also, some of Eli's best from last year was in the last 6 games, Odell missed 4 of them, just sayin.
@@SmrGaming-ry3if Yes, good players make plays. Using your logic, Eli should avoid throwing to Saquon because it might make him look less talented? Maybe Eli should try to put up big numbers without using the talent around him? That'll prove how good he is!! (Heavy sarcasm)
Also, what would you prefer your qb to do when his oline isn't giving him any time: take a sack/throw the ball away OR dump it off to your superstar back who might make something happen? Hmm that a tough one (more heavy sarcasm)
@@braydenlawson5369 Dude people have been talking about Eli's leadership for 20 years. He's never been a vocal aggressive leader why would he start when he's 38? All that matters is that he's proven he can win, as evidence by his two championships rings. So as far as I'm concerned, if it ain't broke don't fix it. We have about 57 holes on this team, why focus on a position that isn't a problem?
Do a video on should Jamies Winston should he start our should they get a qb soon
Top 10 Sports did you proof read that at all? My lord it looked like you were having a stroke while typing this.
EYENOAHGUY ! Is it better
Top 10 Sports now I feel like a dick.
Famous Jameis video!!!!!
Jameis will start, and the bucs will take a late round qb. This is his final year to prove it for big money. Remember, hes still young.
on a crappy team, with crappy OL and crappy offense, he threw for over 4,000 yards (again!) but he's the problem?
He gets his yards once the team is losing by three touchdowns
You clearly don’t watch football if you haven’t realized that. The entire offense is invisible until we are already losing by a lot. That’s because the defense sags since they’re expecting deep balls
@@SmrGaming-ry3if
sometimes (like this year) giants are just like the jets: predictable play calling with a sub-par offense and manning is a victim of this (again!). with that said, however, your assertion is not correct
as you can see by this link, eli manning's passing in first halves is almost identical to his passing in second halves. my original comment still stands: www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/situationalstats
ps: i've been watching/playing football for over 40 years
Smr3101 Gaming fam do you realize that the giants lost like 8 games by a touchdown or less. The giants didn’t trail by three touchdowns but maybe like 3 times this season
4,000 yards means nothing in 2018... especially when you are down and throwing all of the time.
I’d love to see a video on Josh Allen. He gets WAAAAY too much hate
Agreed. If only more people would watch Allen’s 5 minute drop compilation.. there were like 5 missed touchdowns from that.
painiiv I saw that video and it was truly painful to watch
Don't worry the doubters/hazers will learn come next season
Thats because Josh Allen isnt good at the game of football.
@@duck848 rosen, Darnold and Mayfield had more drops.
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He looked like a problem in the Bills game.
5:26 Eli never seemed to force as much when he had Burress, Toomer and Victor Cruz, either.
Much different coach. Remember, for each coaching change you get a new system. That was one of the problems also.
I love how people take a fat dump on Odell now that he isn’t the same receiver as the guy who made possibly the greatest catch of all time. Where was that energy when Odell was doing good? He is still a reliable target and still puts up solid numbers (other than a year or two). I’ve always thought Odell was overrated, but now everyone has decided to turn their backs on him because of his “new found diva like attitude” when he has been that same person since LSU?
Bailey Collins he actually had a good year last year. Got 1000 yards in 12 games
Thomas Vasti Ik he had a solid year
Bailey Collins Tiki was cancer to the locker room too. That doesn’t mean they’re not a good player.
You are already better than most of the people at major networks.
Love how you present the material, your insight, your professionalism.
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Give him a weekly show.
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As a giants fan i love this video and in case you didn't know, the games where odel got more yards we were more likely to lose
Nathaniel Shepard like the Steelers when the gave AB the ball more
Y’all lost because half the season your offensive line was nonexistent and the rest of the time your defense is nonexistent, because you got rid of the good players (JPP, Snacks, DRC)
@@TheNickaTv yeah and we got almost nothing in return even trading away eli apple was a bad idea because we got nothing out of it and had one less person on defense
Nathaniel Shepard bro you had the god himself BW Webb.
On a real note though, former Giants fan Gettleman cannot be my GM, the Giants got trade raped
A 5th round pick for Snacks, the best run stopping DT in football,
DRC was cut to make room for solid players like Jonathan Stewart and a bunch of nobodies from Carolina
A 4th round pick for Eli Apple
A 4th round pick for JPP, which was ok because BJ Hill shows promise.
But Gettleman has destroyed a talented team with some chemistry problems, a lot of personalities, that was missing an offensive line to a team with an above avg OLine, assuming that trade involving Vernon works out well, with no talent anywhere else
As I see it now the Giants have Jackrabbit, Ogletree, Goodson, and Barkley the OLine should be good but under appreciated and wings and prayers everywhere else
Sorry for the essay I’m just really sore about not having a team to cheer for now because I would have been happier being a losing team with work to do than the kid in the corner shitting himself eating glue
TheNickaTv dude loved the essay and it’s completely accurate, it’s weird I just feel like under any other team the giants roster should have one a super bow with any roster for the past few years but for some reason we can’t do it.
Maybe it’s because of close 4th quarter loses or bad team chemistry idk, all I know is we have and have had potential and just need that extra push
For five years the Giants have failed to address the line. It Eli's fault by default because he is still standing. He has no protectio. The second half of the season, he played well. Defense is this teams achilles heel. Eli is a scapegoat. He is the man under center that has a turnstile of an offensive line. Good break down. When Odell missed the 4 games, Eli spread the rock amd they were in the games
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Quality content with a reasonable and refreshing take. Really a big fan of these clips man.
Same goes with the people who think Eli isn't a hall of famer. Like do you even watch football
I have no love for Eli (I'm a Patriots fan) but even I admit that yes, his numbers and achievements are Canton worthy.
TheBalkanSnorlax he isn’t first year eligible worthy is the thing. He’s Hall of Fame worthy after 5+ years past his eligibility and when there is a “weak” class. He isn’t a HOFer in first vote as he has NEVER been more than above average to good his entire career. He never elevates others, he needs to be elevated by the talent around him.
@@impervius8690 i didn't say that he is a first ballot hall of famer, but a 2x sb champion and mvp, he came through when it mattered. He is nowhere near his brother stats wise but, his ability to read defenses (him and peyton do that the best) really overshadowed his capability and talent as a qb. There are far more complete, accurate and stronger arm qbs than him, but his decision making alone is canton worthy.
TheBalkanSnorlax his decision making is garbage compared to Peyton. What the fuck are you smoking? Eli has been among the league leaders in picks every year basically for the last FIVE years. Even before then, his first four years in the league were such underwhelming garbage that giants fans wanted him out of town. HOF is guys who can elevate others, not those who need to be elevated. Eli is a HOF after waiting at LEAST 5 years and when he gets lucky to enter an incredibly weak HOF class.
Eli manning has been a top 10 qb exactly one year in 15 hes nowhere near a hall of fame qb fuck outta here
Can’t ignore that Post-season Eli is still a scary, scary opponent. He’s a monster
Just got to get there.
I believe in him honestly, but you’re right about the Oline. Giants have to make a move in FA and draft a good O Line
...but that Cowboys with the stunt AND the nickel blitz??? Jeeeeezzz
Doesn't look like any post-season this year. LOL.
Excellent breakdown on Eli Manning. Loved how you explain his strengths and weaknesses. Keep up the great content. Shared on Facebook.
Totally agree. The last six games of last season OBJ was out and the offense was balanced, except for the Titans game.
You are 100% correct. This is exactly what I have been saying. Eli Manning is not the problem. The problem is the Offensive Line.
This is a guy who watches the film and doesn’t blindly accept what the media says. Respect to you sir!
Thank you for being an intellectual. I’ve been trying to tell people this for the longest time and now there’s a video to back it up. You earned a sub💯
100% agree with this video! The real issue with Eli is the ESPN NBC CBS NFL NETWORK FOX “experts” (and fans) don’t watch film or full games even. That’s why we need to support this dude and content like this.
Everytime I watch this I leave happy ! Thank you for you man! Lmao
YES! I've been telling EVERYONE ever since 2016, that Eli is still a good QB, he has no line and used to have no running game. He even has no defense, as they gave up over 200 POINTS this season. Eli Manning is still an amazing QB, and I would gladly take him on my Football team.
Amazing? Lmao he's above average at best even with good protection, sure he can still make big throws but not on a consistent basis anymore, the arm just isn't there, and he still makes boneheaded decisions way too often for a veteran qb, he's not even close to the same qb he was in 2011 that o line was pretty bad too just not as bad as it's been the passed few years the difference is Eli was able to overcome it back then now he can't. He's too skittish in the pocket he's constantly worried about getting hit that's why when the o line isn't perform at a decent level Eli is an absolutely horrendous qb because he's scared of getting hit, he falls to the ground before the pash rusher even gets to him most of the time
You know every team in the NFL gave up over 200 points right?
Julius Banks I was bout to say if 200 was the mark everybody missed it
Julius Banks this when you know somebody don’t know football
Not 200 points over the season! Over 16 games that comes to a whopping 12.5 points per game! What QB can overcame that?!?!?!?!!?
THANK YOU!!! Very glad i found your channel bc you actually watch film! I feel like im the only person who still does and these "analyst" who dont are driving me nuts. Im a diehard giants fan and hope to have more sports content on my channel soon and you nailed it on the head about the strange odell and eli connection. Giants fans shouldnt think eli is bad but i think were just tired of the poor mechanics and missed throws.
You make some fantastic analysis and really know your stuff, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of the big boys trying to get you a show👍🏼
Great video as always, and great points. Also, looking at his 2018 stats, he thrown a 66% completion rate, highest of his career. And he took 47 sacks, the most of his career. The Giants' struggles is not due to Eli. That O-line was atrocious. 😑
Thank you for doing a real evaluation of the Giants 2018 offense, real Giants fans understand what happened.
The "problem" is for me more his age than his ability. He has one season left on his contract, and it would seem pretty likely he retires in one of two years. It would nice to have someone before we need him.
As for the line, look for Giants to take a RT in first or second round of the draft
This is the first video I've watched in the past 3 months that made me happy and excited to be a Giants fan. Thank you.
Very well thought out great video, but I completely disagree with the mechanics ur talking about. Eli is on the tall side of 6 ‘4, and weighs barely 205 probably rn, no way with just his shoulder he can throw a ball 60 plus yards. Maybe if ur cam newton with that big upper body. Eli manning does his best to get his feet planted really good actually. I think you were a little to hard on him about that aspect. But that’s just my opinion. But that Being said everything else in the video was spot on.
Hell yeah! before I had finished this video I had already shared it with some friends. I like how dedicated you are to watching film and breaking it down, made it really easy for someone like me who has very little football knowledge easier to understand. Keep doing what you're doing, I subscribed!
Thank you for being one of the very, VERY few people talking sense about Eli. Funny thing is, the biggest mouths are the ones that aren't even Giants fans and hence, haven't watched games/film/etc...
Eli Manning is better than any QB in the 2019 draft.
Draft defense and add a RT.
Problem solved.
NOT!
So if eli is supposedly more reckless when throwing to OBJ, then why are his splits so drastically much better when OBJ is on the field?
Chad Mendoza thanks man
i've been consuming a grotesque and unhealthy amount of football content lately. you're probably the only person i've heard who has analysis like this, and hasn't just taken a giant dump on eli manning. this is coming from a patriots fan by the way. well done sir, i think your analysis is spot on. hopefully eli and obj will each be more productive next year on their different teams.
You should do a breakdown of odells rookie season with eli to his relationship with eli now
I agree with you 100% Zac the o-line is the problem with the Giants. The chemistry between Eli and OBJ could have been worked out with simple communication.
I think OBJ was traded for cap space and to create NFL parity.
If you can get Pat McAfee on your show, that would give you a gigantic boost.
Your channel is awesome! I love the focus on film and facts. It seems as if the media likes to pick apart the most popular player(s) to drive click/view traffic but the reality is there's ten other players on that field with him. The breakdown of the Giants makes a lot more sense when you realize the o-line couldn't protect Eli long enough to get the ball into Odell's hands. And when Odell isn't getting the ball, he gets grumpy; and when he gets grumpy, he stops working.
I like the content of your videos.
Could you please do a video on Nick Bosa vs Quinnen Williams?
Who do you think is a better prospect and who should be first to be drafted?
Thank you
Rj Acy Josh Allen should be in the same discussion as well
You, my friend, have some of the best analysis I have seen on the internet and as a life long giant fan I can say you actually watch the film..you understand the offensive line issues and the fact that Eli Manning is still a very good quarterback.. good luck to you sir and keep up the great work
You growing fast keep up the good work!
Welp, as a Browns fan, I can tell you we double-whammyed ourselves in that OBJ trade. Punched a gaping hole in our solid OLine based on a wisp of a hope that the guy who didn't play more than a handful of snaps was up to the task. And then brought discord into the receiver ranks. Baker didn't break the rookie passing record with OBJ on the roster. Once he was there, though, shit went down the crapper. Granted, everything is always in flux in Cleveland, so it isn't fair to dump it all on OBJ's arrival. Add to that OBJ is super talented, and people LOVE to bet on potential. Problem is, they tend to ignore the associated negatives. Trading a draft pick with no face and someone from the not-so-glamorous lineman position for the legendary OBJ seems like a steal. Until the line starts sinking like a paper machet rowboat, and even though he racks up a ton of yards, OBJ and the rest of the corps translate this into mostly ineffectual stat padding - minus the points that they SHOULD have on the board.
I suspect OBJ would be better off with a team that really needs even just one good receiver. He seems like the kind of guy who shines more when all the focus is on him, but this attitude tends to be corrosive to possible existing chemistry.
well hello there. See the OBJ effect on that Ravens game. lmao
Eli our up the same numbers as Brady and Rodgers while being sacked nearly 50 times and under constant pressure. Guy is a 4500 yards 30 TD guy if protected. He’s got a potential 1800-2000 yard RB and a revamped line. Great vid brother!
Honestly i agree fully. I mean look a few years ago. The chemistry between eli and cruz was fantastic! I just dont think obj and eli could never really get on the same page as cruz and eli did. Obviously the o line has some part in the sacks, but when it comes to chemistry with wr's, its going to be interesting to see how this season goes without obj, and a few new rookies, and a bit of a beefer o line
Dude, THANK YOU! So tired of the lazy analysis being regurgitated by people who clearly don't watch the Giants every game (though who could blame them?).
The worst part is these people -- supposed "fans" included -- talk out of both sides of their mouth, acknowledging that our O-line has been hot garbage (at best) for years, while also expecting Eli to somehow thrive behind it.
They cite his poor season in 2017 even though OBJ and Marshall were out for most of the year, Shepard missed several games, not a single starting O-lineman on that roster was either on the team to start or finish the next season (Flowers), no RB was even on an NFL roster period (Darwka, Vereen, etc.), and the same could be said about the majority of his receiving corps (King, Rudolph, Lewis Jr.). But again, he should've performed at an MVP level all things considered...
Anyway, rant over, great breakdown, though I fear you're preaching to the choir. The OBJ fanboys wouldn't even make it past the part where OBJ is criticized for his body language and immaturity.
Great analysis. Thank you so much for pointing out that he is still can make the throws and reads defenses. It is amazing that most people how are so called experts don't have a clue what they are talking about or know how to watch a football game. I will say that the slant pattern against the Eagles should have been called PI and it was not even close. Also the stunt the Cowboys showed on that sack was something they were showing all night. It is the job of the lineman that if nobody comes to your side, you wheel back and pick up backside rush. They could not and did not do that throughout the entire game. Once again great analysis and great channel.
I love this man. Obj is a cancer and I’m glad he’s gone
Eli was leading the league in Ints long before OBJ got there. Dude has almost a 1-1 TD to turnover ratio for his career, has only won a playoff game in 2 seasons and will finish his career under .500 winning percentage. If his brother wasn’t Peyton he would have been out of the league years ago.
He can make every throw just not consistently, the main attribute you need from an nfl qb
Lol you don't think the consistency is more of the lines fault no?
Hard to be consistent with your throws when you have 2.5 seconds on average to throw
@@Nick-zs1kx Im talking about consistency when he gets the chance to throw. He CAN make any throw but his mechanics are so bad that he doesn’t do so consistently
exactly, the dude completely ignores clips of Eli just straight missing guys. Not saying its all Eli's fault, but given his age, ability, and salary, its definitely time to move on
Wow, that was actually the best and most comprehensive analysis of player and play dynamics in the NFL. Better than any has been on one of those big channels. Those are more about sensationism and their own ego.
Eli spot passer
OBJ backyard player.
Bad mix.
OBJ will b good 4 browns
No one is good for the Browns lol
Good shit, I'm glad we got a purely analytical view of eli's performance this season rather than sportscasters just blaming him entirely for their downfall this past season. Subscribed.
I’m sure Eli and OBJ were past the point of a direct talk.
That point about Manning only making mindless throws at OBJ actually makes a lot of sense to me. Beckham is a transcendent talent in the league; one of the few receivers that not only can get separation at a moment's notice, but also doesn't necessarily need separation to make the catch, even though he's relatively undersized for the modern receiver prototype. When you have as little time to throw as Eli does, that clock in your head has to be ticking, and if Beckham can catch basically anything you throw at him from any position, all you have to do is get it to him in a place he has even a minuscule chance to come down with it. Thing is, when you can't get much velocity on your throws anymore, that's as much a liability as it is a blessing. So, yeah, lots of those throws are pretty ill-advised, but with Beckham replaced with a supremely reliable but unheralded Golden Tate, I actually expect Eli to have a bit of a renaissance year, so long as the play calling adjusts. The Giants have everything they need to be a great west coast offense; transcendent dual-threat HB, reliable receivers, a big receiving TE, and a QB with a quick mind and good accuracy. They just need to coach to those traits and not try to be the Killer B's without the necessary offensive line.
So you’re telling me It’s OBJs fault that Eli becomes a bad QB when throwing to OBJ
Even tho
Every analytical study shows that Eli with OBJ in the lineup is an average QB
But when Odell doesn’t play
He becomes the worst QB in the league
Cool
He’s telling you they’re not a fit. OBJ wants the ball forced to him so he can make plays and that’s simply not Eli’s game. It’s very simple.
Martavius Echols Eli doesn’t have any game left
You build your offense around your best players
Not a deteriorating QB
Odell excels at in breaking timing throws
Something that even in his prime Eli was never great at
Eli at his best had a beautiful deep ball
He no longer has that
There’s literally treads of videos online showing Eli either miss, over throw or worse under throw Odell in his routes
But I guess that’s Odell’s fault too
But hey now we gonna have Eli check down all day to saquon to boast his stats
Since that’s way we got last year
I think it was a week or so ago I had subbed to you and you only had 5.7k subs and now you have over 27k. You’re growing fast man. So keep you’re head up and posting good content man! I believe in you man, and you’re content is just super good in general, it shows a different aspect of the game. God bless brother!
Show me the throws he isn't making. The throws he misses. Alot of time OBJ is open down field and he makes an easy paly. Does not seem like a great QB. I'm calling BS
Not once in his analysis did he call Eli Manning a “great QB”.
Someone doesn't understand how context works.
I’m a Dallas fan and this dude is right, I always hate when we let the giants hang in a game because Eli still has that ability too kill you.
Joe Flacco film review please!!!
Stopping the video at 8:20 to comment that the content in this video has so for been spectacular, honest and insightful. Carry on.
I wonder if OBJ would be as big of a talking point if he had dropped that famous catch
bro what u stupid or sum? fuck the catch, he had 3 szns w 1300+ & 10 TDs
bryuhn He said AS big of a talking point. And we all know he isn’t talking about looked at the same without that catch. Anytime somebody makes a play or plays like that, they’re looked at different. Doesn’t take anything away from him but that’s literally what made fans keep their eyes on him. He’s talked about more than some receivers that are better than him, is that not true?
The MVP of that cowboys sack play was 98. Holds the guard (who wasn’t going to make it to Lawrence anyway) while engaging the tackle, causing an unintended double team, and Lawrence dines on Eli soup. D-Line coaching is on point for Dallas.
*Eli throws pick on out route because he doesn't have the arm strength to make the throw*
"Eli can still make all the throws."
Y'all keep living in the past with this guy. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick with ringzzz.
Just found your channel tonight. I'm a long time giants fan is why I watched this video by the way and going to watch more now! Your analysis is freaking fantastic, keep up the great work!
Another great video/podcast
Love your analysis. Nobody on tv actually takes the time to go deep into the film.
A tip for your videos. You should try to repeat yourself less. You have great analysis, but you seem to need to keep reiterating your point. For example 4:50-6:50, you just repeat the same three points multiple times, down to the same phrases. Try to be less repetitive.
I think that was a video mistake, I was about to comment the same thing
Yeah, it was an editing error, didn’t notice until now😭
Also, I think you should try to look at your papers a little less often, if you could. Your style seems to model a very informal conversational style, kind of like a Colin Cowherd. Pausing and looking at your notes takes the flow out of what you're saying. This would be alright if you weren't going for this conversational style of presentation. For example from 12:07-12:44, you look at your notes multiple times during sentences, and this takes that conversational feel out of it.
Thanks for the affirmation on Eli Manning!
Watch giants be better this year because OBJ is gone. I cant believe people wanted him more than AB, then call AB a diva. OBJ is the definition of a Diva.
a lot of players are "divas". doesn't mean they're bad teammates or bad ppl
@@dreamvillez id actually maybe contest that statement... But that wasnt the point of what i was saying. I was just saying, especially being in the bay, a lot of 9er fans especially, but national fans in general, were saying they wanted OBJ more than AB, criticizing AB for being a Diva.... I was pointing out the hypocrisy. OBJ is the biggest Diva in the league currently... Though Bakers competing for that title pretty strongly
Its not like the giants havent dealt with troublemakers before
Zach, your stuff is awesome. Smart commentaries, and unbiased by hype or gripe. You just became my NFL breakdown specialist for this season. Great job.
Can't wait to hear some horrible truths about my Raiders...😁
I have to disagree with your analysis here. While there are certainly examples of Eli making good plays and decisions, he gave up a lot of opportunities throughout the season for big gains and forced the ball at times that made no sense. I also find the claim that he's a better quarterback when he's not throwing to odell to be false as well. While it's certainly true that there were times he forced the ball to odell, and did so more to him than other receivers, the Giants had been objectively better with odell on the field for the past few years. You're not wrong about the O-line though.
I am glad and thankful you made this. Eli had one of his best season for completion percentage 66% highest of his career and the lowest interception since like 2008
So I'm a GIANTS fan so I remember Eli before we got Odell and he was leading the league in turnovers so what your putting out their is a major falsehood he may read the defense but he often makes inaccurate throws
1:50 "Doesn't use his legs to create power at all"
1:53 Full torque throw
Otherwise really appreciated this
I'm actually interested to see how Eli Manning and the Giants do without OBJ because you made a great point about him forcing the ball to him a lot. Maybe the Giants will do better
George Abraham they don’t.
Hands down the most accurate take on Eli Manning and the Giants offense.
Eli Manning leads in INT too. His reads arent good they are way off. He does force the ball thats why he always gets intercepted. OBJ and Barkley helped Eli pad his stats. Obj being abke to catch anything and Barkley was there for the check down and got alot of yards from nothing.
Hey man LOVE your content! Keep rollin it out. I listen to the podcast on my way to work now. Great stuff. Don’t know if you were aware but at 4:56 and 5:56 you edited the same segment back to back. Not trying to be critical, just trying to help!
slugonion that editing mistake drives me nuts😭😭
Don't beat yourself up over it: I was a professional editor for too many years to admit and it happens. (we always had as producer check the video..you don't have that luxury.
Hang in there. Keep it up.
@@StrongOpinionSports
Thank you for making this! Never really knew how big of a crybaby OBJ was.
He's no more a crybaby than Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Evans, or countless others. Jeez.
Eli is heavily underrated Quarterback because he’s a heavily cerebral QB. Like this amazing video points out Eli is great at reading defenses and coverage. Eli grew into that because in his prime he had a big arm and actually from a quarterback standpoint aged well what didn’t age well was the team around him. Dave Gettleman while no Belichick was dealing with a broken team. A team that had a lot of developing issues in terms of a Volcanic Locker room But the biggest issue is we need to sure up the LT position or the Center position. If Gettleman can do this years draft well we have a chance of being decent again not great but decent
He's actually not mobile at all...TF u talking about
You're right.
My first thought was... oh another boy wanna make another clip about what the giants should do or shouldn’t do... when u went on and on with your content, I immediately changed my mind. I’m glad that I’ve watched your video. You’re a great analyst.
If you want proof of obj being unreliable and overrated. 2016 season playoff game against the packers. Terrible from obj
Sgt Pork 1 game lmao yea ok
Shockz was more than 1 game, especially that season. Remember the panthers game against Norman? Dropped the easiest pass of his life. I’m not saying Odell is bad, he’s a great talent, but he is not consistent enough. Not to mention the injuries.
Sgt Pork not consistent? LMFAOOOOO
3 straight seasons of 90+ rec, 1,300+ rec yards & 10+ TDs. 4/5 seasons of 1,000+ rec yards (2017 was on pace for 100 rec 1,208 rec yards 12 TDs). 3x Pro bowler (should’ve been pb this season too but 🤷🏽♂️) 14 Franchise Records & 22 NFL Records. You act like no one drops passes, ex Julio Jones (who’s labeled a better WR) dropped a WIDE OPEN pass in the end zone, but you wouldn’t say anything about him. Lol
Sgt Pork & not to mention that playoff game wasn’t the same year as the Norman beef. Smh
That one game was more important then any game. Numbers dont mean shit if you choke in the big games Romo will tell you the same thing.
In my opinion, this is the best overall analysis of Manning and Odell Beckham I’ve seen yet, the media just screams that Manning is old and can’t throw the ball to OBJ and that OBJ is being misrepresented as a “Diva” but in reality that’s what’s happened.
yeah Antonio Brown is better than OBJ.
if you watch film on both, they are very similar, but id rather have Odell. He's as good of a route runner, and probably the best receiver with the ball in his hands. And Brown is just a straight cancer
As a Giants fan, I loved this video. Eli will always be my quarterback, and will be someone I tell my kids about.
I agree with you, to add to your analysis, Giants needs to keep him for 5 more years and pay him twice the amount. We can never blame Eli for anything, its the rest of the team.
I am a big giants fan. I watch every game and watch all the tape. Im obsessed w the Giants. I have to say this was excellent analysis. Well done.