Amazing said they're aiming to double prices every year. I have the funds but not the willingness to splurge on that! There are far better things to spend money on, really.
I donno man. Vex saying its intentional and held back and to make it seem more popular, but the 4080 didn't sell very well at all so why would they care about artificially limiting something like the 5080? You can't just keep saying stuff like 5080 is just to sell the 5090, and then suddenly its held back stock wise when there IS no 5090s to actually buy. And then you can't just say "oh its for datacenters" after saying "there's stock that's being held back". Like pick a theory and stick to it instead of promoting whatever new theory that's popular, unless the intention is just to get views for videos. Welp
@@be0wulfmarshallz I think Nvidia is just not producing a lot of them. They aren't simply sitting on supply and carefully drip-feeding to consumers because there is plenty enough demand already without relying on FOMO. It's less artificial scarcity to drive up demand and more not wanting to oversaturate and flood the market with gpus like nvidia did with the 30 series. They want to reliably get rid of old stock without making them so plentiful nvidia no longer has influence on retail value. This way they can keep gpu prices high. This is similar to how the oil industry operates.
Well brother I got the 5080 and lemme tell u, cyberpunk at 1440p path tracing and Alan wake with path tracing aswell can actually run without frame gen. I honestly tried Nvidia frame gen coming from a RX 7800xt from AMD and lemme tell u both me and a friend who got the 5080 said the same. -I can't feel the input lag as long as the base frames are between 55/75fps. It legit feels way better than even the 40 series frame gen (tried it previously on cyberpunk on a friend pc)
It's called price control. We know for a fact that store owners were told by Nvidia reps that there will be a "very limited stock." They loved what the pandemic did for the 30 series sales. They weren't happy with 40 series sales. Welcome to Nvidia in 2025. Pure corporate greed.
It's even more of a monopoly now that AMD exited the high end market. The "upcoming" 9070xt is worse than the 7900xt and 7900xtx by a wide margin. I was personally happy when Nvidia lost 600 billion on the market recently. 😉😁
"Price control"? Bro what does that even mean? They make more money selling their chips for AI and datacenter than to gamers, so they do that. Simple as that
This is it right here. Amd is too stupid to take advantage of this situation so we'll wait and see how they fuck this up yet again. Intel truly is our only hope now.
Yep, my local microcenter is all sold out. The 5080’s are $1100-$1500 and 5090’s are $2100-$2500… people are literally rushing to grab the worst GPU generation Nvidia has ever launched
It's a propaganda play. 230 people in a population of hundreds of millions gives an impression the general populace is rushing to grab it. The impression is busted simply knowing 230 is the supply behind the shortage.
Most those people aren't enthusiasts. Most of those people are scalpers who hunt down lists of traditionally highly sought-after iterative products, like consoles, popular toys, cars, etc., looking to sell this time to a class of enthusiasts who know the 5080s are garbage. The scalpers don't understand that; they're too lazy for a real job, and doing real research isn't gonna happen. The 6080s will be easier to get a hold of after the scalpers end up holding the bag on this one. Lots of trashy morons looking to make a quick buck are going to end up selling at a loss and paying a lot of interest on maxed credit cards.
It's not hard to understand when you realize not all of us were on the 4000 series. It isn't the worst GPU generation... it's the worst *upgrade* from the prior generation.
Just basic human nature, build it up in their minds and get set on the idea, make financial arrangements, then on top of that just the old FOMO-monster.
@@dingickso4098 Yet, there are people lined up at every Micro Center around the store to try to buy one. I don't see much rebelling against NVidia. Fanboys will be Fanboys.
Not all monopolies are bad. Most are, but not all. It all depends on the company behind it. And most of the time it's tied to whether it's a publicly traded company or not.
@ To stay in the realm of gaming, many people consider Steam a monopoly. And Steam has been very pro-consumer all things considered. And not so surprisingly, Steam is not publicly traded.
Nvidia is making the classic corporation mistake of burning customer goodwill for fast profits. People do NOT like being put in a position where they feel like they're at the mercy of another person and while people might take this from Nvidia today, it will leave a negative imprint on them which will be the motivation to switch in the future from Nvidia products.
The irony is that 9070 XTs are going to out perform most 5000 series cards because Nvidia failed to improve raw raster. AMD could have launched an enthusiast level card and actually competed.
@@zhenyucai8688 businesses are people too, do you think that they like buying limited extremely expensive cards too? Nvidia's practices have absolutely harmed cloud GPU providers, many of each dealing with crashed prices which make it difficult to even break even.
@@ELpeaceonearth and the hilarious thing about ai is there isn't actually any money to be made from it, just investor capital. META and Microsoft have lost billions on it
@@goldenhate6649 you can look it up nvidia said this themselfs there a ai company now not a gaming gpu company anymore ai has already replaced hundreds of thousands of jobs
High demand, "Low Stock" They learned this with the 3000 series, except that the 3000 series was a real generational leap forward where the 5 series isn't
If the major GPU developers would stop with mental gymnastics of their generational development nomenclature, that would be great. I posit just calling them NV gen 7 or AMD gen 9 or INT gen 1 .....whatever year they are on. All this numeracy is not conducive to the year-on-year gains at this point so just stop it. Capitalism is gonna cap. Nobody is gonna pay an extra 50% on an extra 10fps no matter how much AI frame-gen or upscaling you present to the everyday consumer. If a single discreet GPU is more expensive than a whole mid-range setup?....You are part of the problem if you buy it. My expectation for that amount of money would be able to run native 8K resolution....and that is still a ways off. Nvidia need to either focus on their enterprise AI bullshit, or stop price-gouging the GPU industry. Intel....It's time to step up. AMD, you have my attention
It wasnt they lied through their teeth with 3000, they moved the 80 class so close to the 80ti/90 class is was practically dry humping it. The whole reason they went with the 90 branding was so they had an excuse to avoid comparisons with the 2080 ti. The real performance leap from 2000 to 3000 was 35%(thats if you ignore the titan rtx) and it came at the cost of an extra 100 watts (40% increase) 30 series was a scam and people lapped it up
90s and titans are the flagships of each generation so they're effectively the same thing and should be compared. 690 - titans - 3090 idk why they dropped the titan branding but that Samsung node they used for 30series was trash Talking a little nonsense. The 690 was a dual gpu so comparing that isn't really fair I guess
Why is everybody surprised that there is no stock during the 5000 launch? This happens every time NVIDIA releases a new series. Without fail units are NEVER available for months after launch... Create the illusion of scarcity, then have the' real launch' later on. Effectively ensuring mass purchasing of larger (intended) stock quickly... This is not an unusual marketing strategy.
ya we have been through this so many times. its really funny seeing people surprised. its even funnier knowing some people sold their 40 series cards BEFORE the 50 series cards were released to get ready to upgrade LMAO
I got a 3080 at launch easy, so did all of my friends. But I guess it was a mess up on nvidia to microcenter although they sent fe cards to Tustin this year. I got the tuf 4070 ti super at Best Buy a few weeks after launch, I had to actively shop for it.
@@Chesesino6111Why in the world would you sell your current GPU for one that's both unreleased *and* doesn't seem to even have a specific release date announced? Maybe I just don't know something, but that seems like a dumb choice all around.
People are actually paying $5k and more for these from scalpers. I don't care what people do with their money but it makes me wonder how people this stupid are able to afford paying that.
There is a lot of people who were able to fk over the populace during the pandemic, that is who is buying these. Them and streamers who don't give a damn
sometimes it's wash trading. Scalpers sell to themselves to generate artificial "demand" which in theory increases the likelihood of a genuine purchase. It probably has a name in consumer psychology, but the effect where lack of sales causes people to hold on to their money because "these things can't be very good if no one is buying them" and then the opposite when there appears to be a volume of sales "I better get one as everyone else thinks they are worth it." Except the "everyone" is possibly fake.
I've been saying that Nvidia won't be making a lot of 5090 to not complete with their A series, but people were laughing. Guess what? Gaming is peanuts for them and they won't be spending their TSMC quota on the low margin products, they are not dumb.
This "limited supply" stuff that's been going on since 2020 is definitely not organic. It's clear they need an excuse to keep the prices up and raise them even more. Every electronic especially flash chips and such have no real reason to be priced the way they are.
Nvidia announces months prior to 5000's release they would stop producing 4000 series GPUs. AMD announces they will not be competing with Nvidia in the High-end market this series and aims to compete with Nvidia 4000 series. Nvidia artificially creates low supply of their 5000's series cards and prices. Seems like AMD and Nvidia are playing ball together this season.
Im from Singapore and when i went to the local retailers to check them out there was a family of 4 in one of the shops buying up 5 5080s(2.2k SGD each), and when i was overhearing their conversation it was quite obvious they didnt know much about pcs, they just had a lot of money, which pretty much sums up the people actually buying these gpus
Hardware Unboxed did a video comparing the components on the PCB to previous generations and what he concluded was that each SKU in the 50 series is more like a tier lower from previous generations, ie. The 5090 is more in line with an 80 SKU from previous generations, the 5080 is more in line with a 70 SKU etc. It's pretty much what Nvidia wanted to do with the 4070 and 4070 Ti, where the 4070 SKU was really a 4060. and the 4070 Ti was the true 4070. I'm going team Red.
Welcome aboard, a lot of us are here literally because we hate what Nvidia is doing and for no other reason. Or you run Linux, we've been biased against Nvidia for decades. Lol
@@carlosnumbertwo 7900xt for example is better. not to mention XTX. but it all depends on what you're doing with your GPU. if u need cuda cores, then ofc theres no discussion here...
@@goldenhate6649 There is no trust to sue... You can still buy old cards. You can still buy used cards. You can still buy competitor cards. They even released DLSS 4.0 to all RTX generations. You are literally so needy and greedy... And their performance is based on the best tech they have. For $1k, that's literally all the GPU your money can buy... Manufacturing is more expensive now, and there's production issues, and a lot of R&D doing into new processes. It's like complaining that a car isn't getting 10% better gas mileage than last year. Buddy, there's only so much energy in gasoline. And if the bleeding edge tech has not resulted in a breakthrough with a huge performance improvement, that's not their fault.
Ask them if they care. If there's no competition that's what we get. The whole reason why 5070 announced retail price is so low, is because AMD is coming up with it's 9070... If AMD didn't release any cards at all this generation, a 5070 would have even less performance and be priced at 1 grand.
I live in Japan, and I didn't try to buy one. I did however have to go to a store to buy a case and some fans since my new build was having some thermal issues. It was madness. Nationwide I seen a report that there were less than 400 5090s available for sale in Japan. 400 units for a populations of 125 million. Maybe 3% of that are enthusiast level PC gamers. People who wanted one, had roughly a 1:10,000 chance to get one.
Great time to be playing the classics. New releases are starting to look worse than 10 year old games because of noisy RT and smeary resolution scaling. Before long, everything will be pixelated garbage like Minecrap, running at 4k with 8x frame gen for absolutely zero reason. But it will be fully path traced. [golf clap].
They're not for gamers. They're NPUs for AI Workstations. NVidia stopped making GPUs with the 40 series. They are 100% "selling shovels" for the AI "gold rush."
The incoming tariffs, probably. A flat tariff on all imports would cause NVIDIA to raise the 5090's MSRP, so they're probably getting ahead of the game now. Y'know, sell their premium card at a "reasonable" price, then raise prices in a PR statement saying, "Well, we don't _want_ to raise prices, but outside factors (the federal government) forced our hand." If the above theory holds any weight, it would explain why NVIDIA opened pre-orders now, despite their stock being inadewuate to meet current demands.
@@therealperco That's why I put it in quotations. Of course, 2000 USD isn't reasonable. It's simply the logic NVIDIA's marketing team will operate on when responding to the inevitable consumer backlash.
@@Roon3y1 No.. that won't work. The nerds need to bitch and moan for a few months before they buy the new toy. Slightly less serious, what we're seeing is this thing called "market economics". You might understand that Nvidia makes a popular product that, in essence, has zero competition. If you're going to be mad at anyone, be mad at ATI for being bad at making GPUs.
@@Roon3y1 But they've now learned that they don't. You can't lose money if you're exclusively selling your shit to fanboys. Because there are so many 40 series cards on the market which nobody has bought, NVIDIA has specifically created the segment such that there's no point in buying the 50 series cards (specifically the 5080) because they want you to buy the older 40 series cards to deplete the stock. They're simply not going to release a good xx80 card until all the stock 40xx stock is gone. This is why they did a paper launch with little to no stock knowing full well that the thirsty people who've skipped generations will most likely end up buying a 40xx card.
@@wedding_photography Anti-scalping laws wouldn't help with the production numbers but it would sure as hell help with scalpers making a bad situation worse.
Artificial scarcity. Nvidia (and retailers) tasted blood and now will do whatever it takes to try and justify the ridiculous price, but this time they're also giving us less for our money by trying to pass the 5070 off as a 5080.
Correction about Deepseek: they did not make a small model, but a large one model with substandard equipment. Also money spent by them is comparable to CEO paychecks alone in ClosedAI. So basically they showed that NVIDIA and AI giants are wasting money instead of innovating. About situation with 5000 cards: this is exactly THE reason why you should never allow corporations to have monopoly, or allow "donations" from them to politicians - they will turn their monopoly into scheme for enrichment of several CEOs, shareholders and affiliated politicians, judges and supervisory officials.
I mean Vex ain't even fact checking his info on deepseek so... I feel like this channel is turning into some sort of conspiracy theorist gpu channel? Man
Theres no way to know if what Deepseek are saying is true, but we know for a fact that China educates more engineers than the rest of the world combined, so it might be.
I think the people underestimate the corruption in America. I think the corruption in America is properly on par or worse than Chyna. Despite Deepseek "steal" from notOpenAI or not, it just show how much money notOpenAI wasted like you said. The corruption in this country is unbelievable. It seems like Trump is doing great, but pouring 500 *billions* dollars on Stargate? Ngreedya and notOpenAI are partners with it? Jeeez, if you spell that backward it spells c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-o-n....
You're right about artificial supply, but it has nothing to do with the cards "being bad". They aren't bad, they just cost too much for their minimal imorovement over the 4000 series. The shortage is because making people wait builds the "urgency" to buy one ASAP instead of waiting longer, so they are less likely to question the price and product.
Due to a exploit the complete 5080FE stock for the Netherlands and Germany was bought between 14:30 and 14:35 while the official sale started at 15:00... Yes all 5080FE we're sold out before the actual launch....
commenting here even before watching the video: the reason why we see a bottleneck the logistics soon after the launch/release is that they already send half of their initial stocks to these social media influencers/reviewers/top tier content creators, in the name of making or giving out reviews as soon as possible... this creates an insane hype in the market while also creating artificial scarcity of the cards. and so, these cards are never actually available for the target consumer, but are freely distributed to all those content creators..., and thus finally the cards are sold at/sometimes over MSRP, because they also need to make some profits (only out of the consumer, who badly needs it). it made me made during 4000 series launch too, same thing happening now as well. if all these cards go to the youtubers, then when are the normal customers gonna get it? i am talking thousands of tech channels on this youtube alone... then there are guys who do so called benchmarks... and many more.
The first wave of cards offered by BestBuy in Canada also went on sale 2min before the sale was supposed to start, and were sold out 1min before launch time, then 2 more waves came intermittently in the next 10min, and each sold out almost instantly (before I could complete the transaction, and I was logged in with all payment info saved).
7900xtx is 200$ cheaper in most countriest than 5080 and its onlt 5% worse. " amd isnt competing with 5080" bro you literally showed benchmarks where 7900xtx has 6 less frames than 5080. 6 less frames is NOTHING for the price of 7900 xtx and SUPPLY availability
People are buying those up now too. As of today the xtx is out of stock at Microcenter here and has been since the 5000s launch. NewEgg is sold out. Amazon , Best Buy all gone.
But doesn't Adrenaline suck major ass? I use an old 570 and Adrenaline is such an abysmal setup app, and ive seen lots of people just complain about drivers and crashes in general. Could you tell me the secret to a good experience with a 7900xtx?
@@asuuna7412 For Polaris and Vega series Cards the consensus is to just use 23.8.2. AMD stopped supporting those cards officially a while back now. I have one buddy on a RX 570 4G and he uses this version and doesn't ever hit me up with issues. Good luck!
@@Oliver197507 The new DLLS4 looks a lot better so he can now use the upscale and it wills till look good, with the upscale he'll be able to use the card for at least another 2 years
I did have a 3090 but it failed on me, so I'm forced to upgrade which is very annoying. 4090s have all but disappeared and I'm not the least bit interested in the 50s.
@@idindunuphenwongthe guy is telling the truth. Everyone already knows that the 5090 is a garbage card that is way overpriced. That's why so many 4090 owners are just skipping this generation completely
@@kenshinhimura9387 Also nvidia sends them to LITERALLY everyone. Even to people who dont actually wanted to review it and never asked for this, you have a couple PC building videos with good views? Here is your 5080 and 5090.
Honestly, gaming isn’t worth this money time and stress. If I can’t get the components to game, I’ll just go back to reading or pick up an instrument again
I had to send my computer back to my computer supplier last year in october to get the i9 chip replaced.....It took them a damn month... a month. but you know what it felt like the 90s again to me like i had all my time back, i got a life, touched some grass, looked forward to social occasions and created them. it was a real eye opener. i have my computer back since and still enjoy playing a little but im so conscious of my time now. Do those other things. i also find people that are more disconnected from the digital almost have super powers with their attention span etc. this has been my ted talk, a once proud owner of a 4090. i still have it but am want to get out of house more tbh.
The 5080 is really the 5070. There is no real 5080. Enjoy paying 1000$ for a 5070. So the 5070 will really be a 5060 or 5060 ti, but at least that one will be as good as the 4090.
Those model numbers are just marketing. A card can be at a good or bad price point, but it just doesn’t matter what number it is. They are just an ordering.
Totally agreed! Someone just enjoyed paying 2200EUR in my country for a scalped 5070... (sorry, for a "5080") I don't understand these ppl... Seriously?
Mint/cinnamon isn't really a big jump from a Win machine. With a big boy GPU like that even with the small hit in FPS for some games you aren't going to notice much difference.
@@thepalemoonlt it means it's slowly merging with Windows and it's policies. It didn't happen yet. But slowly moving in that direction in 10 or so years if nothing changes, it will become a new Windows.
@korana6308 Your statement reflects a complete lack of understanding of the very basic aspects of linux/ Gnu and how open source development works. None of what you're saying is remotely true. Linux is not one homogenous iteration of software, nor is it merging with windows in any meaningful way. The compatibility between the two is made possible, mostly through either hypervisors and virtualization and the reverse engineering of code to provide a compatability layer. The inevitable and almost infinite forks that form from each project means that the idea of it merging with windows is something that will never truly happen. Also, you still didn't explain what on earth it has in common with diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in various institutions and companies. Quite frankly, it would appear that you have no idea what you're actually talking about.
Classic upsell strategy, to squeeze the most money out of every demographic, starting with low stock to force high prices and make rich people spend their money first. Then stock is gradually increased (along with the release of lower-tier products) to eventually sell it to the broader public.
Bot scalping should be completely illegal. It's one thing to stand in a line, buy a couple of something and selling the others to someone who's willing to pay extra. It's another to buy out the entire market so no one has any other option than to pay your scalper prices. It's inherently unfair as no one can compete with a bot that is capable of clearing an inventory before the page even goes live to human buyers.
Well, when Americans wanna vote for a raider capitalist who wants to slash funding, it will only make the problem worse. Get ready for Great Depression 2.0 because that's the only thing Trump's tariffs will bring. And, in spite of the horrible midair collision in DC, absolutely nothing will be done to improve safety.
These aren't "sold out". They're just "out". There were maybe 500 total 5090s available for the NA market. They were functionally never even in stock in the first place.
My 4090 has stopped boosting to 2950mhz. It's hitting 2800 max since the last couple of weeks. 360 watts max when I have seen 450 Watts previously. Gotten several blue screens (page fault in non paged area) too which I absolutely never get. I'm highly cynical that there's some driver manipulation going on to make the 50 series more favourable.
cynical is one thing to be, but, tinfoil, i dont think so. if you see only 360w max now, i smells like power delivery issue. not driver. maybe sillicon degradation from an awful sillicon lottery with awful ASIC quality which nvidia OVERBOOSTED to begin with, basically some sort of gpuboost issue maybe that now caused hardware issues? nvidia doesnt dare doing stuff like driver downgrading on that sorta thing because that could involve classaction lawsuits. i do not believe the tinfoil hat driver downgrade stuff. its been debunked plenty of times that nvidia drivers dont make cards slower to sell you a new one. they already do that with the VRAM remember? (sorry for several replies and edits, m adhd is pretty hardcore lately)
@@fireflythe7Except due to the stoppage of 40 series manufacturing and the low yields of 50 series so far means used 40 series can still go for MSRP and way way above still.
Even from the 30x series it'd be worth upgrading. The games this year are going to be heavy on performance. I tested the Monster Hunter Wilds demo on my 3080 and I was baffled at how low frame rates I was getting at 1080p, without FG. It was just absurd. The game comes out in less than a month and I doubt it'll be much better, considering FG is a recommended setting by default.
@@user-fy7ri8gu8l it is harder to get a 4080 at a decent price rather than a 5080 here.... i've been waiting years to upgrade my pc. im not going to not upgrade because some people say it's not efficient when i'm using a fucking 1080ti. it's only a stupid buy if u already have a 40 series. u don't get it do u?
They did the same thing with the 4080 and 4090. Intentionally limited stock to keep demand and prices high. This time around it's actually worse though.
If I were a retailer, I would totally now pretend I sold out on day 1 and wait for buyers to get restless and add it back to the store later at higher price.
You have the right attitude! You would do fine in the dealership market! The point is quite many of those ebay selling are gpus that dealers from computer stores did buy themselves before launch and are now selling in ebay at ”desent” 100%+ profit! Good salary for 1 minute work!
Disappointed in gamers Nexus take that it’s because of tariffs, which gives them the out that they need. If they’re afraid of tariffs that haven’t yet happened, wouldn’t they be hitting the market even harder right now? To try and get as much as they could? It’s the opposite. They have no competition, they know it, so they’re doing scummy business practices that are anti-consumer. You can’t buy a 5090 right now, but all of your favorite content creators have six, and you can go out and spend essentially $4000 on computer components that are only worth less than 1000, being your only way to get a 5090 right now. Pre-order it into March for only 6500!!! Wtf It’s so stupid and convoluted and it’s intentionally done. They haven’t just suddenly stopped producing the 4000 series either. Those things haven’t been made for seemingly a long time and that’s why their prices were artificially inflating as well instead of deflating.
TLDR I agree with Vex’s take and I’m glad he has the stones to say it. I’m tired of these other content creators who have all of these cards that nobody else can buy just dodging the topic because they want to continue the gravy train.
Heh! Pay $5000 to be scammed and not get the GPU! That is a good joke to customer who did use that money! 😂😂😂 Lesson… Don´t buy scalpers. Don´t buy from individual sellers unless you can chect the product and check that it works and is what seller claim!
My next door neighbor is very set on getting a 5090. He asked if I was going to get one, and I answered that I had a 7900XTX and that I was good for now. "You don't care about Ray tracing" he says. Granted, he has a 3090ti so it would be a decent upgrade in performance for him, and for me too, but $4000.. no thanks
i would be happy with a 3090 ti.im still rocking the 3080 ftw3 evga 10 gig still pull 200 frames on bfv at 2560 by 1440 ill pass.new cards way to much money
3060ti here. I want a 5090 but I’ll wait until I can grab a FE at msrp. I just don’t understand why Nvidia does this. 250 5090’s for the entire US? I have some theories. But there’s no excuse to treat your customers like that.
It’s literally the South Park episode where cartman buys a theme park and doesn’t let anyone in to ride the rides propping up fake demand for a shitty park.
Classic corporate move, the same thing happened in 2021 with the 3000 series when i purchased a 3070. The bossman said that they are producing it "at a very large scale" when he made the initial announcement and suddenly there is nothing on the market :))
@@roccociccone597 Until it gets shut down over AI Bro Thieves and Plagiarisers whining that they got the stuff they made with stolen training data stolen from them.
They fucked up on pricing thats why. Theyre reevaluating and working with retailers. Idk if its true but the og pricing was supposed to be $800 for the 9070XT now supposedly its dropping to around $550-$600 again im not sure how true this is but we'll see.
We had leaks that AMD would launch 21.01. At this day we even get "buy 9070xt now" ads. AMD was scared by 5070 and ti prices, not some random paper launch
Nope. They wanted people to see sky high prices (if you can even find any) and now they can up their prices too when they launch and still look like great value.
This happens literally every time new GPUs come out. Greedy people snatch them up just to resell them for way more money on top of normal people buying them up. Later, the stock situation improves and prices also improve. I always wait a year or so before getting any new GPU. That allows time for problems to be fixed aswell as stock and prices.
Thats what they learned during the pandemic. That was the last time they were selling Gpus for a reasonable price... then they saw what scalpers did and thought... why let scalpers do it and make the money... let us do it alone.
At 2:30, he mentions that there 40 series graphics cards available, albeit slightly above MSRP, but there are not. Actually click the buy button and see that ALL of them are out of stock on every single website. Nvidia are assholes
You know, at this point people need to just learn to say no to these prices, and not get played. Here I am with a gtx 1070 thinking I may upgrade, but seeing both scalpers and nvidia limited supplied, they're part of the problem too so I will wait more years.. no problem!
You can do whatever you want bud. The fact of the matter is that manufacturing prices are going up. It doesn't matter what you demand. It's impossible make a super cheap GPU with super high performance.
@@21area21It went up by like 200 300$ cost per gpu since 1000 series and that's for high wattage big die ones like 80 and 90 series otherwise it went up as little by 100$ or less but prices doubled specs got nearly halved just compare the core percentages compared to older gens you are getting r***ed off bud.
Yeah but even reviewers wont acknowledge this as the real reason. Probably aren't supposed to. Notice how reviewers got one? yet nobody else can. I got my tinfoil hat wheres yours?
@@VioFax If you were Nvidia marketing and you had some really cool graphics cards but only made liked 500, what would you have done? It is a big technological achievement, so it makes sense to say "fk it. We made some dope cards. Lets get them in reviewers hands so they can get excited. The production is fked because everyone's out partying for Chinese new year. But fk it, preventing reviewers from seeing it is literally going to be bad foreveryone". Also, if you were a contractor building houses, and you could put about the same amount of effort to build a house for a millionare and make a killing, or build 2 low income housing and make pennies, which would you realistically choose. And what would most people choose? Nobody is a charity. We all want to do the right thing, but when the differenced in reward is SO overwhelming, you can't blame someone for going with the better reward. That's what's going on between the consumer cards and the enterprise systems. All the money is in enterprise AI computing, so we are kinda an afterthought. It's nobody's fault. If consumers were richer and able to afford a lot more money for graphics cards, then Nvidia would have more financial interest in serving us.
Anyone who has been buying cards at launch since 2016 is completely used to this. The launch number of 5090’s and 5080 data has been out for at least a day+(writing this early into your vid, I assume your gonna cover it)… this isn’t the first paper launch from Nvidia, and it definitely won’t be the last….i wish the damned 9070xt would drop so I can see if my next card is gonna be a used 4090 or new 9070xt/7900xtx/rtx5080
Well the 9070 is hopefully gonna be around $500-$600 so don't waste your money on an XTX which are still going for around $800. It's also supposed to have far better RT performance than any previous AMD card as well but if I were you I'd look into a 4080 super that was used for a good price because you're never gonna find a 5080 for MSRP and the $400 extra isn't worth the non-existent uplift.
@@michaelgalloway1359lol what a L take. The xt is gonna be closer to 800$ AND it’ll be slower than the xtx WITH less ram as well. The obvious answer is xtx or 4090
I just saw one lucky person get an RTX 4090 on an eBay auction for $1000. But it looks like the panic selling period has now ended so, no more $1000 RTX 4090s.
@@codycast You're kidding me, right? The 4090 smokes the 5080, and has more VRAM. Considering that these cards wont sell at MSRP anyways, $1000 is really what most 5070 Tis will sell at.
Depending on the price. Nvidia might have just set up the perfect playground for AMD> If their card comes out with a lower price, FSR4, better RT, and the speed of around a 7900xt-7900xtx. it could be a big time winner.
AMD IS NOT COMPETEING IN THE HIGH END...there is no better at a lower price. and AMD cannot even keep stock on the 9800x3d, they are just as bad TBFH. stop sucking their wang.
@@KingShotgunHobo "nobody wants fsr though" You mean FSR3? yeah you're right. FSR4 tho, looks just as good as DLSS from what we've seen of the demo so far. It also works with any fsr 3.1 title, doesn't need to be implemented. everything else you said is based on a different architecture. We have to wait for the release, for the reviews :) No one can say what anything is until that happens. So long as they don't drop the ball, the 9070xt will sell very very well. Including the 9070.
No I am thinking Steve hit the nail on the head, they rushed these to market, Jay2Cents squeezed a ton of performance out of a 5080 on OCing just by a little OC and a better fan curve. I think 1- They are rushing them to get more profit margins before Tariffs hit, and as well they wanted the partner models out before CES, I do not think its a great time to buy also 2- you have Chinese Lunar New Year its 30 days of no manufacturing, which is why you shouldn't put all your global manufacturing in 1 place in the world, its honestly amateur as hell just to save a couple bucks on labor when freight shipping from china basically excludes any actual gains due to the oversaturated shipping capacity. 3- they wanted to beat AMD to the punch just in case they can steal high end buyers from AMDs no halo products release.
@@acidwizard6528 I mean not really just do it right and smart … that’s like me buying a tee shirt from Walmart plain white tee slapping a “ supreme stich on it “ and calling it as good as the original…
I like the misinformation. The supply is not there because of the chinese holidays. The factories shut down during this time. Think why AMD delayed their launch, do your job.
Deepseek was trained on 50,000 nvidia cards. Cheaper cards than the 4090, but still trained with CUDA. It's goofy that people started saying otherwise.
Do you want to seel GOUs at low profit (gamers) or high profit (corporates)? I would take higher profit any day! It is like asking people who looks for job. Do you want to take this job 10$/hour or the same job in this company $100/hour? Ofcourse you take the better offer! Nvidia is not stupid, it takes the better offer any day!
0:35 why would nvidia make a card that costs them more to make (increase ram:cores) when no matter what they make people STILL buy it. Nvidia can basically punk the market by making a slower card and people will still wait in line. Or pay 2x MSRP to scalpers People need to stop blaming nvidia and start blaming consumers
It won’t surprise me if Nvidia purposefully released very limited stock to not only price control but to attract investors - stating that the company is doing very well since their new products always get “sold out, seconds within releasing them”.
It's annoying that all new 5080's were probably bought out by reviewers and gamers already rocking 4080/4090's on their high-end pc's and giving them a bad review compared to their current setup, when people on lower tier cards like a 20-series just want a better card overall and don't have access to it now.
Here's the problem. I pre ordered the new ROG 27' 4k 240Hz QD-OLED with DP 2.1, thinking I would surely be able to secure a 5090. The money wasn't an issue, so I wasn't worried. I showed up to microcenter in St. Davids PA at 10:00 PM the night before and was over 80th in line. The store received 4 5090's. Now not only can my rig not run at 4k whatsoever but I can't even get a 4090 because its only capable of DP 1.4 without display stream compression (not to mention the low stock and ABSURD prices). I was so excited and now I feel betrayed by NVIDIA. Not fair. I don't want to return this awesome monitor because in the back of my mind I still have hope I can somehow acquire a 5090. I have a job and I cannot dedicate my every waking hour into checking stock and frankly I can't spend $4k-8k on a scalped card. Gaming is truly the only thing I enjoy and now I can't have that because of NVIDIA's ego.
New Transformer DLSS Model is more expensive to run. Ray Reconstruction on 20-30 series leads to a massive 30% FPS drop, but only 5% on 40-50 series. So all that pro-consumer behaviour could be just NVIDIA knowingly lowering your FPS so you decide to upgrade sooner.
@handledeeznutz109 TAA is forced which looks worse. Scalers used as bandaid. Forget channel but a dev has made this topic his channel. Basically modern devs and unreal are bad and dumb. He posted in unreal forums about issues but was entirely ignored.
A local store has a display sample 5090, first thing, they are HUGE. Second; Frame gen looks pretty bad, with the artifacting but I guess the upscaling was slightly better? Gaming and the PC market is really becoming worse and worse
So would you rather have the option to have a worse version or none at all? Only idiots expect there to be no downside or no scaling between older gpus. Saying worse cards getting worse performance out of a feature designed for more recent cards is "manufactured " is braindead to me. 20/30 series users got something, and you still complain. Features that you don't see a need in will always have people who use them. Stop being close-minded bro.
The irony is the RTX 5090 pricing at 5.000$ AUD in most Australia retailers. At this point you should go out and buy a used 4090 3.000$ cheaper if you don't care about Multi Frame Generation and the BS 30% uplift in performance lmao...
@ that was the same price for 4090. And for 5090 2500 $$$ Is excellent price, you know why? In EU you can not find one 5090 at all, and if youbfind one it cost 4000-5000 €€€, do you know how to convert 5000€ in Australian $?
Artificial scarcity is absolutely a real thing. It's not a fake conspiracy theory. Nintendo does it all the time and WILL ABSOLUTELY DO IT to the switch 2.
Why would nvidia intentionally waste fab space and silicon making gaming GPUs when they can make around 10-20 times the profit by making enterprise GPUs from the same die instead? Their gaming GPUs are just faulty datacentre GPUs that they couldn't otherwise sell, and production is limited by the defect rate of the die fab process, which is now quite mature since it's still TSMC 4N FinFET, so the defect rate is relatively low. it's not some giant conspiracy.
My 7900 xtx with a little undervolt and some memory tweaking and an overclock absolutely crushes every other card that benchmarks except the 4090. I paid 799 for it. No driver issues, no instability.
@ You sound jealous. Calling me a shill because I state facts. Nvidia cards have features that are superior to AMD cards. That is a fact. Nvidia cards also run games at higher frame rates than AMD cards. Another fact.
@ the 7900 xtx obliterates the 4080, which are the same price point. AMD does not offer a card at the price point or capacity of a 4090 or 5090. The 7900 xtx cards have more ram, giving them a longer lifespan. If you want to spend a non trivial 20-50% percent more for a change the human eye can't perceive, that's on you. If you actually need the horsepower a 4090 provides, then there's no alternative and you are just going to pay for absolutely atrocious price to performance.
@@AzzieHalla You sound jealous of my RTX 4090 that wipes the floor with your card in raw performance. The thing you care most about. I also have WAY better HDR than you do. Oh and Nvidia cards are superior for content creation and streaming. Something that most people do these days.
DeepSeek wasnt trained with high end Nvidia hardware? Their paper said they used a cluster of 2048 H800 gpu's. Although this is significantly less hardware than the previous top-dogs its still very much based on Nvidia tech.
5000 series was sold out to create artificial hype/demand around these cards. Ever since 20 series, nvidia has locked features like dlss and rt behind certain generations of cards. Said features have created FOMO within the community. 20 series was first with dlss and rt. There was no generation before that with these features. The tech was said to be revolutionary, but fell short because it was first gen tech. You overpaid to be an early adopter of dlss and rt. 20 series adopters felt like total fools when 30 series came out with dlss and rt improvements at cheaper prices. Take the 3070 vs 2080 ti for example. Both have basically the same rasterized performance with the 3070 on faster and newer generation technology at a far cheaper price. The 3070 was the better deal at msrp. The deal got even sweeter with the 3080 vs the 2080 ti if you got one at msrp. TLDR: Nvidia can create FOMO because of their market share. They couldn't get away with small generation gains without high market share. Vote with your wallets people!
The 3080 and 3090 sold out on launch as well. Within minutes of release. Same with 4080 and 4090. It's almost as if there are too many customers to feed.
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Nvidia doesn’t want to sell them, and I don’t want to buy them. It works out in the end.
Hex is a better bitcoin. trustless yield and doesn't destroy the environment to do it
@@DJ-PWR its being sold at 0.0027 $. Dont scam people with sh itty information.
@DJ-PWR All crypto mining uses power
Amazing said they're aiming to double prices every year. I have the funds but not the willingness to splurge on that! There are far better things to spend money on, really.
Their board partners dont want to either.
Can we not just make 3090 TI Supers or something?
Fake launch for fake frames… man f this industry
I donno man. Vex saying its intentional and held back and to make it seem more popular, but the 4080 didn't sell very well at all so why would they care about artificially limiting something like the 5080? You can't just keep saying stuff like 5080 is just to sell the 5090, and then suddenly its held back stock wise when there IS no 5090s to actually buy. And then you can't just say "oh its for datacenters" after saying "there's stock that's being held back". Like pick a theory and stick to it instead of promoting whatever new theory that's popular, unless the intention is just to get views for videos. Welp
dont forget intel faked their lunch too, with low stock, that means they faked their price too.
@@be0wulfmarshallz I think Nvidia is just not producing a lot of them. They aren't simply sitting on supply and carefully drip-feeding to consumers because there is plenty enough demand already without relying on FOMO. It's less artificial scarcity to drive up demand and more not wanting to oversaturate and flood the market with gpus like nvidia did with the 30 series. They want to reliably get rid of old stock without making them so plentiful nvidia no longer has influence on retail value. This way they can keep gpu prices high. This is similar to how the oil industry operates.
With fake prices. It should cost no more than half the concurrent asking price
Well brother I got the 5080 and lemme tell u, cyberpunk at 1440p path tracing and Alan wake with path tracing aswell can actually run without frame gen. I honestly tried Nvidia frame gen coming from a RX 7800xt from AMD and lemme tell u both me and a friend who got the 5080 said the same.
-I can't feel the input lag as long as the base frames are between 55/75fps.
It legit feels way better than even the 40 series frame gen (tried it previously on cyberpunk on a friend pc)
If you buy from a scalper. You are the problem.
also the ppl who have to buy the new gpu on every generation
Let them. The market will self correct. Always does.
They are not, by blaming the scalpers you’re removing the blame from Nvidia.
@@69ryxn both are scum
I want to get a 4090 but i cant find them anywhere. Every used one just seems so scummy
It's called price control. We know for a fact that store owners were told by Nvidia reps that there will be a "very limited stock." They loved what the pandemic did for the 30 series sales. They weren't happy with 40 series sales. Welcome to Nvidia in 2025. Pure corporate greed.
It's even more of a monopoly now that AMD exited the high end market. The "upcoming" 9070xt is worse than the 7900xt and 7900xtx by a wide margin. I was personally happy when Nvidia lost 600 billion on the market recently. 😉😁
"Price control"? Bro what does that even mean? They make more money selling their chips for AI and datacenter than to gamers, so they do that. Simple as that
@@The_Dude_Abides117how are they worse?
He's talking out his ass. He has absolutely no evidence the 9070xt is worst than the 7900 XT.@@Lunatics695
People can’t accept the simple fact that NVIDIA has moved on from focusing on gamers. Gaming is literally crumbs to them.
I'm kinda just waiting to see how AMD manages to disappoint us, when nvidia keeps setting the bar lower with every generation.
AMD will ban rgb
@@ilbro7874Good. RGB is lame.
This is it right here. Amd is too stupid to take advantage of this situation so we'll wait and see how they fuck this up yet again. Intel truly is our only hope now.
AMD said months ago they aren't even going to try competing with Nvidias high-end (*80+). If you're disappointed at any point, it's your own fault.
@@OTBASH its not because they are stupid, its because they work against us, both amd and nvidia.
Yep, my local microcenter is all sold out. The 5080’s are $1100-$1500 and 5090’s are $2100-$2500… people are literally rushing to grab the worst GPU generation Nvidia has ever launched
It's a propaganda play. 230 people in a population of hundreds of millions gives an impression the general populace is rushing to grab it. The impression is busted simply knowing 230 is the supply behind the shortage.
Most those people aren't enthusiasts. Most of those people are scalpers who hunt down lists of traditionally highly sought-after iterative products, like consoles, popular toys, cars, etc., looking to sell this time to a class of enthusiasts who know the 5080s are garbage. The scalpers don't understand that; they're too lazy for a real job, and doing real research isn't gonna happen. The 6080s will be easier to get a hold of after the scalpers end up holding the bag on this one. Lots of trashy morons looking to make a quick buck are going to end up selling at a loss and paying a lot of interest on maxed credit cards.
It's not hard to understand when you realize not all of us were on the 4000 series. It isn't the worst GPU generation... it's the worst *upgrade* from the prior generation.
@@user-fy7ri8gu8l Most of the people going in person are not scalpers.
@ breathe child. Also, that comment made us all a little dumber
I can understand the 5090 being scalped as scummy as it is, but who the fuck would scalp a 5080? And who the fuck would buy it at a scalped price?
People be real dumb
Just basic human nature, build it up in their minds and get set on the idea, make financial arrangements, then on top of that just the old FOMO-monster.
the same people who lose all their money doing dumb trades on the stock market lol
Well rendering farms will buy them at a large quantity without a beat.
I agree but scalping wouldn’t still be a thing if idiots didn’t pay the prices.
People in 2025 discovering how a monopoly works
finally the sheep nation starting to rebel
@@dingickso4098 Yet, there are people lined up at every Micro Center around the store to try to buy one. I don't see much rebelling against NVidia. Fanboys will be Fanboys.
Not all monopolies are bad. Most are, but not all. It all depends on the company behind it. And most of the time it's tied to whether it's a publicly traded company or not.
@@Niitroxyde What companies currently in monoplies are a net positive lol?
@ To stay in the realm of gaming, many people consider Steam a monopoly. And Steam has been very pro-consumer all things considered.
And not so surprisingly, Steam is not publicly traded.
Nvidia is making the classic corporation mistake of burning customer goodwill for fast profits. People do NOT like being put in a position where they feel like they're at the mercy of another person and while people might take this from Nvidia today, it will leave a negative imprint on them which will be the motivation to switch in the future from Nvidia products.
You're not the customer.
The irony is that 9070 XTs are going to out perform most 5000 series cards because Nvidia failed to improve raw raster. AMD could have launched an enthusiast level card and actually competed.
@@zhenyucai8688 businesses are people too, do you think that they like buying limited extremely expensive cards too? Nvidia's practices have absolutely harmed cloud GPU providers, many of each dealing with crashed prices which make it difficult to even break even.
@@Draanor Businesses have ponied up massive amounts for cards in a heartbeat, they've bought overpriced gimmicky cards and the AI hype isn't yet over.
Nvidia has been doing this for at least the past decade. They know their consumers are wh0r€s for shiny new things.
I'm still surprised Nvidia gave you a review unit. You've been grilling them hard and it's absolutely deserved.
Lol nividia is a ai conpany it was like given them candy
@@ELpeaceonearth and the hilarious thing about ai is there isn't actually any money to be made from it, just investor capital. META and Microsoft have lost billions on it
@@goldenhate6649 you can look it up nvidia said this themselfs there a ai company now not a gaming gpu company anymore ai has already replaced hundreds of thousands of jobs
Bro is making more money reviewing Nvidia products than Nvidia is making money with actual product sales. LMAO
They were giving these gpus to content creators like candy for no reason at all
High demand, "Low Stock" They learned this with the 3000 series, except that the 3000 series was a real generational leap forward where the 5 series isn't
Lol they learned that way before the 3000 series
If the major GPU developers would stop with mental gymnastics of their generational development nomenclature, that would be great. I posit just calling them NV gen 7 or AMD gen 9 or INT gen 1 .....whatever year they are on. All this numeracy is not conducive to the year-on-year gains at this point so just stop it. Capitalism is gonna cap. Nobody is gonna pay an extra 50% on an extra 10fps no matter how much AI frame-gen or upscaling you present to the everyday consumer. If a single discreet GPU is more expensive than a whole mid-range setup?....You are part of the problem if you buy it. My expectation for that amount of money would be able to run native 8K resolution....and that is still a ways off. Nvidia need to either focus on their enterprise AI bullshit, or stop price-gouging the GPU industry. Intel....It's time to step up. AMD, you have my attention
It wasnt they lied through their teeth with 3000, they moved the 80 class so close to the 80ti/90 class is was practically dry humping it. The whole reason they went with the 90 branding was so they had an excuse to avoid comparisons with the 2080 ti. The real performance leap from 2000 to 3000 was 35%(thats if you ignore the titan rtx) and it came at the cost of an extra 100 watts (40% increase) 30 series was a scam and people lapped it up
Comparing the titan rtx to the 3090 its only about a 25% increase in performance
90s and titans are the flagships of each generation so they're effectively the same thing and should be compared. 690 - titans - 3090 idk why they dropped the titan branding but that Samsung node they used for 30series was trash
Talking a little nonsense. The 690 was a dual gpu so comparing that isn't really fair I guess
Why is everybody surprised that there is no stock during the 5000 launch? This happens every time NVIDIA releases a new series. Without fail units are NEVER available for months after launch... Create the illusion of scarcity, then have the' real launch' later on. Effectively ensuring mass purchasing of larger (intended) stock quickly... This is not an unusual marketing strategy.
ya we have been through this so many times. its really funny seeing people surprised. its even funnier knowing some people sold their 40 series cards BEFORE the 50 series cards were released to get ready to upgrade LMAO
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No one is that dumb, surely.
@@Igbon5 a friend of mine sold his 4060ti to upgrade to a 5070 i want yo see his face when it comes out and costs more than 1000 usd
I got a 3080 at launch easy, so did all of my friends. But I guess it was a mess up on nvidia to microcenter although they sent fe cards to Tustin this year. I got the tuf 4070 ti super at Best Buy a few weeks after launch, I had to actively shop for it.
@@Chesesino6111Why in the world would you sell your current GPU for one that's both unreleased *and* doesn't seem to even have a specific release date announced? Maybe I just don't know something, but that seems like a dumb choice all around.
Are we in 2020 again?
Yeah but instead of crypto is AI now 😭
Linus called it btw. Literally heard him say this on one of his streams 6-7 months ago.
@@briananeuraysem3321it’s always something bro. 2017 it was RAM and crypto mining with GPUS, then again in 2020 but not RAM, now it’s goddamn AI😭
We're still in 2020 Gen 5.
Nope. Because 30 series actually had a generational uplift!
People are actually paying $5k and more for these from scalpers. I don't care what people do with their money but it makes me wonder how people this stupid are able to afford paying that.
There is a lot of people who were able to fk over the populace during the pandemic, that is who is buying these. Them and streamers who don't give a damn
Lots of stupid people have way too much money.
Cause stupid people make more money than smart people these days.
sometimes it's wash trading. Scalpers sell to themselves to generate artificial "demand" which in theory increases the likelihood of a genuine purchase. It probably has a name in consumer psychology, but the effect where lack of sales causes people to hold on to their money because "these things can't be very good if no one is buying them" and then the opposite when there appears to be a volume of sales "I better get one as everyone else thinks they are worth it." Except the "everyone" is possibly fake.
By being narcissistic, capitalistic pigs.
I've been saying that Nvidia won't be making a lot of 5090 to not complete with their A series, but people were laughing. Guess what? Gaming is peanuts for them and they won't be spending their TSMC quota on the low margin products, they are not dumb.
Nvidia about to make a history this generation , with the 5070 being slower than the 4070 super.
no man u know 5070 is gonna beat the 4090 i mean look how good the 5080 beat the 4090 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yea the last two years really sucked hard overall on this graphics card front!
Shiny leather jacket man's math >>>> world's math
4080 super beats the 5080 in some games, hell even the regular 4080 has the exact same performance sometimes
@@astrofiggy2321 Room temperature IQ if you say 5070 > 4090
nvidia this gen : barely an uplift, makes the partners suffer, artificially limits the supply, makes the gpu value worse, loses lots of stock.
well I mean If I was them I would want the partners gone as well, for a multitude of reasons.
This "limited supply" stuff that's been going on since 2020 is definitely not organic. It's clear they need an excuse to keep the prices up and raise them even more. Every electronic especially flash chips and such have no real reason to be priced the way they are.
i hope they lose all their stock, I had enough of this. AI/crypto/nft bubble needs to burst for good.
@@CrisURacetheir stock price is already recovering
@mitsuhh nobody cares i hope they go poof for what they are doing.
Nvidia announces months prior to 5000's release they would stop producing 4000 series GPUs.
AMD announces they will not be competing with Nvidia in the High-end market this series and aims to compete with Nvidia 4000 series.
Nvidia artificially creates low supply of their 5000's series cards and prices.
Seems like AMD and Nvidia are playing ball together this season.
Both the 5090 and 5080 out of stock here in Australia as well. They sent all the stock to Hardware unboxed and that math's teacher 😂.
Daniel Owen?
omg I am dying laughing @ math's teacher
lol
Its so funny how i immediately knew who the math teacher was 😂
hahah
Im from Singapore and when i went to the local retailers to check them out there was a family of 4 in one of the shops buying up 5 5080s(2.2k SGD each), and when i was overhearing their conversation it was quite obvious they didnt know much about pcs, they just had a lot of money, which pretty much sums up the people actually buying these gpus
They might be scalpers, waiting to resell it on Carousell
@@blacksheepshepherdu should work with sherlock holems or the fbi
@@ELpeaceonearthhe’s a mental martial artist
@@ELpeaceonearthhe did im Sherlock Holmes and everything indicate that the family is selling the GPUs to the Chinese
they are kiasu LOL
Hardware Unboxed did a video comparing the components on the PCB to previous generations and what he concluded was that each SKU in the 50 series is more like a tier lower from previous generations, ie. The 5090 is more in line with an 80 SKU from previous generations, the 5080 is more in line with a 70 SKU etc. It's pretty much what Nvidia wanted to do with the 4070 and 4070 Ti, where the 4070 SKU was really a 4060. and the 4070 Ti was the true 4070.
I'm going team Red.
Welcome aboard, a lot of us are here literally because we hate what Nvidia is doing and for no other reason.
Or you run Linux, we've been biased against Nvidia for decades. Lol
I think we are reaching the technology ceiling. I’m still sticking with Nvidia. My 4070 super is way better for me over anything ATI is offering.
@@carlosnumbertwo the 9070 XT is going to destroy the 5070Ti but don't let me stop you from shilling.
@ I’ll believe it when I see it.
@@carlosnumbertwo 7900xt for example is better. not to mention XTX. but it all depends on what you're doing with your GPU. if u need cuda cores, then ofc theres no discussion here...
Five words:
Artificial Shortage
Permanent Price Increase
I smell an antitrust lawsuit coming
@@goldenhate6649 There is no trust to sue... You can still buy old cards. You can still buy used cards. You can still buy competitor cards. They even released DLSS 4.0 to all RTX generations.
You are literally so needy and greedy...
And their performance is based on the best tech they have. For $1k, that's literally all the GPU your money can buy... Manufacturing is more expensive now, and there's production issues, and a lot of R&D doing into new processes.
It's like complaining that a car isn't getting 10% better gas mileage than last year. Buddy, there's only so much energy in gasoline. And if the bleeding edge tech has not resulted in a breakthrough with a huge performance improvement, that's not their fault.
This is me caring with my artificially manufactured worlds smallest violin when somebody gets ripped off because they're so stupid:
Ask them if they care. If there's no competition that's what we get. The whole reason why 5070 announced retail price is so low, is because AMD is coming up with it's 9070... If AMD didn't release any cards at all this generation, a 5070 would have even less performance and be priced at 1 grand.
@korana6308 Bold of you to assume the 5070 isn't going to be $1000 after the scalpers get those too.
I live in Japan, and I didn't try to buy one. I did however have to go to a store to buy a case and some fans since my new build was having some thermal issues. It was madness. Nationwide I seen a report that there were less than 400 5090s available for sale in Japan. 400 units for a populations of 125 million. Maybe 3% of that are enthusiast level PC gamers. People who wanted one, had roughly a 1:10,000 chance to get one.
Great time to be playing the classics. New releases are starting to look worse than 10 year old games because of noisy RT and smeary resolution scaling. Before long, everything will be pixelated garbage like Minecrap, running at 4k with 8x frame gen for absolutely zero reason. But it will be fully path traced. [golf clap].
I Just built a new PC last year, hilarious these GPUs cost more than my whole build. By a lot.
They're not for gamers. They're NPUs for AI Workstations.
NVidia stopped making GPUs with the 40 series. They are 100% "selling shovels" for the AI "gold rush."
The stock price dropped for nVidia, but their graphics cards sold out.
What kind of sense does that even make.
I didn’t even know they were officially launched
The incoming tariffs, probably. A flat tariff on all imports would cause NVIDIA to raise the 5090's MSRP, so they're probably getting ahead of the game now. Y'know, sell their premium card at a "reasonable" price, then raise prices in a PR statement saying, "Well, we don't _want_ to raise prices, but outside factors (the federal government) forced our hand."
If the above theory holds any weight, it would explain why NVIDIA opened pre-orders now, despite their stock being inadewuate to meet current demands.
@ reasonable? 💀😭 and my kidney is just an option
They weren't
@@therealperco That's why I put it in quotations. Of course, 2000 USD isn't reasonable. It's simply the logic NVIDIA's marketing team will operate on when responding to the inevitable consumer backlash.
@@truecaliber1995 $2k is not reasonable.
The pc market feels like an unregulated joke.
The market regulates itself. Just don’t buy it and they’ll lose money
@@Roon3y1 No.. that won't work. The nerds need to bitch and moan for a few months before they buy the new toy. Slightly less serious, what we're seeing is this thing called "market economics". You might understand that Nvidia makes a popular product that, in essence, has zero competition. If you're going to be mad at anyone, be mad at ATI for being bad at making GPUs.
What kind of regulation would solve really low production numbers?
@@Roon3y1 But they've now learned that they don't. You can't lose money if you're exclusively selling your shit to fanboys. Because there are so many 40 series cards on the market which nobody has bought, NVIDIA has specifically created the segment such that there's no point in buying the 50 series cards (specifically the 5080) because they want you to buy the older 40 series cards to deplete the stock. They're simply not going to release a good xx80 card until all the stock 40xx stock is gone.
This is why they did a paper launch with little to no stock knowing full well that the thirsty people who've skipped generations will most likely end up buying a 40xx card.
@@wedding_photography Anti-scalping laws wouldn't help with the production numbers but it would sure as hell help with scalpers making a bad situation worse.
Artificial scarcity. Nvidia (and retailers) tasted blood and now will do whatever it takes to try and justify the ridiculous price, but this time they're also giving us less for our money by trying to pass the 5070 off as a 5080.
Correction about Deepseek: they did not make a small model, but a large one model with substandard equipment. Also money spent by them is comparable to CEO paychecks alone in ClosedAI. So basically they showed that NVIDIA and AI giants are wasting money instead of innovating.
About situation with 5000 cards: this is exactly THE reason why you should never allow corporations to have monopoly, or allow "donations" from them to politicians - they will turn their monopoly into scheme for enrichment of several CEOs, shareholders and affiliated politicians, judges and supervisory officials.
I mean Vex ain't even fact checking his info on deepseek so... I feel like this channel is turning into some sort of conspiracy theorist gpu channel? Man
Theres no way to know if what Deepseek are saying is true, but we know for a fact that China educates more engineers than the rest of the world combined, so it might be.
I wouldn't trust anything coming from the mouth of the CCP.
Yes. Also the 50 series is manufactured on 4NP process, which is different from 4N node of 40 series
I think the people underestimate the corruption in America. I think the corruption in America is properly on par or worse than Chyna.
Despite Deepseek "steal" from notOpenAI or not, it just show how much money notOpenAI wasted like you said.
The corruption in this country is unbelievable. It seems like Trump is doing great, but pouring 500 *billions* dollars on Stargate? Ngreedya and notOpenAI are partners with it?
Jeeez, if you spell that backward it spells c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-o-n....
It was a scam from the start!
Been a scam since they went over $1000 for a GPU.
meanwhile I'm trying to build a new PC... what the fuck I'll just slap in my trusty old 1080 Ti until they release a 5080 super LOL.
@Leopardipzg That 5080 would smoke the 1080ti. But obviously it costs a lot more...
@@rcrhino2148 its literally a 5070 that costs $1500. and out of stock LOL.
since covid
You're right about artificial supply, but it has nothing to do with the cards "being bad". They aren't bad, they just cost too much for their minimal imorovement over the 4000 series.
The shortage is because making people wait builds the "urgency" to buy one ASAP instead of waiting longer, so they are less likely to question the price and product.
5:05 They send 230 5090 for the whole US market ? LMAO.
They know what they’re doing. They’re literally trying to create an inflationary market where everyone’s scalping each other.
i got one ❤️
Na that’s just for one chain of store that list was all the nation wide micro center store
@@Hyfrwrld liar
@ what’s your ig
Due to a exploit the complete 5080FE stock for the Netherlands and Germany was bought between 14:30 and 14:35 while the official sale started at 15:00...
Yes all 5080FE we're sold out before the actual launch....
😂
the entire stock was 20 gpus i bet
commenting here even before watching the video: the reason why we see a bottleneck the logistics soon after the launch/release is that they already send half of their initial stocks to these social media influencers/reviewers/top tier content creators, in the name of making or giving out reviews as soon as possible... this creates an insane hype in the market while also creating artificial scarcity of the cards. and so, these cards are never actually available for the target consumer, but are freely distributed to all those content creators..., and thus finally the cards are sold at/sometimes over MSRP, because they also need to make some profits (only out of the consumer, who badly needs it). it made me made during 4000 series launch too, same thing happening now as well. if all these cards go to the youtubers, then when are the normal customers gonna get it? i am talking thousands of tech channels on this youtube alone... then there are guys who do so called benchmarks... and many more.
I'd guess government agencies also have priority access.
The first wave of cards offered by BestBuy in Canada also went on sale 2min before the sale was supposed to start, and were sold out 1min before launch time, then 2 more waves came intermittently in the next 10min, and each sold out almost instantly (before I could complete the transaction, and I was logged in with all payment info saved).
7900xtx is 200$ cheaper in most countriest than 5080 and its onlt 5% worse. " amd isnt competing with 5080" bro you literally showed benchmarks where 7900xtx has 6 less frames than 5080. 6 less frames is NOTHING for the price of 7900 xtx and SUPPLY availability
People are buying those up now too. As of today the xtx is out of stock at Microcenter here and has been since the 5000s launch. NewEgg is sold out. Amazon , Best Buy all gone.
shhhhh, dont tell them. scalpers might hear
But doesn't Adrenaline suck major ass? I use an old 570 and Adrenaline is such an abysmal setup app, and ive seen lots of people just complain about drivers and crashes in general. Could you tell me the secret to a good experience with a 7900xtx?
@@asuuna7412 Месяц назад взял себе 7800 xt, с Adrenaline никаких проблем, всё работает идеально
@@asuuna7412 For Polaris and Vega series Cards the consensus is to just use 23.8.2. AMD stopped supporting those cards officially a while back now. I have one buddy on a RX 570 4G and he uses this version and doesn't ever hit me up with issues. Good luck!
I'll be using my 3080 Ti and 3090, until Nvidia stops trolling us with their insane prices.
50 Years Later.... Nope spoke too soon.
Same here!! Hanging on to my 3080ti for at least 3 years ! Did DLSS4 indeed give your ti a frame boost btw?
@@Oliver197507 The new DLLS4 looks a lot better so he can now use the upscale and it wills till look good, with the upscale he'll be able to use the card for at least another 2 years
I did have a 3090 but it failed on me, so I'm forced to upgrade which is very annoying. 4090s have all but disappeared and I'm not the least bit interested in the 50s.
you already showed that you buy overpriced gpus (even two). They wont stop trolling you, I can assure you that.
They sent you the 5090 and you're still telling the truth? I respect you man
He's telling half truths. Doesn't want to stop getting all that free stuff.
@@idindunuphenwongthe guy is telling the truth. Everyone already knows that the 5090 is a garbage card that is way overpriced. That's why so many 4090 owners are just skipping this generation completely
@@kenshinhimura9387 5090 isn't garbage. It's a decent upgrade. 5080 however is a steaming pile.
@@kenshinhimura9387 Also nvidia sends them to LITERALLY everyone. Even to people who dont actually wanted to review it and never asked for this, you have a couple PC building videos with good views? Here is your 5080 and 5090.
@@kenshinhimura9387 It's by far the best GPU that exists, it's certainly not garbage... Is that worth the 2 grand? That's a different question.
it feels like Nvidia released more cards to reviewers than they did to retailors.
Honestly, gaming isn’t worth this money time and stress. If I can’t get the components to game, I’ll just go back to reading or pick up an instrument again
I had to send my computer back to my computer supplier last year in october to get the i9 chip replaced.....It took them a damn month... a month. but you know what it felt like the 90s again to me like i had all my time back, i got a life, touched some grass, looked forward to social occasions and created them. it was a real eye opener. i have my computer back since and still enjoy playing a little but im so conscious of my time now. Do those other things. i also find people that are more disconnected from the digital almost have super powers with their attention span etc. this has been my ted talk, a once proud owner of a 4090. i still have it but am want to get out of house more tbh.
Just buy an older card. Problem solved.
@@korana6308 Older card for the starting msrp.Okay..........Try it......
Get into emulation. Lots of great games and you don't need the latest and greatest to play it.
Or buy used old consoles
The 5080 is really the 5070. There is no real 5080. Enjoy paying 1000$ for a 5070. So the 5070 will really be a 5060 or 5060 ti, but at least that one will be as good as the 4090.
Its worse than that, if the 4080 was a uplifted 4070 then the 5080 is a 5060ti at best
yap 5080 is gona be here 5080 super the real 5080 :)
Those model numbers are just marketing. A card can be at a good or bad price point, but it just doesn’t matter what number it is. They are just an ordering.
Totally agreed! Someone just enjoyed paying 2200EUR in my country for a scalped 5070... (sorry, for a "5080") I don't understand these ppl... Seriously?
the 5080 is what the 5060 should've been
the 4080 is what the 4070 should've been
the bar keeps getting lowered
Pro tip: use the filter to not see out of stock items.
I bought a 7900xtx the day before the 5080 released. And now I’ll begin the journey of dumping windows for linux. Wish me luck!
Mint/cinnamon isn't really a big jump from a Win machine. With a big boy GPU like that even with the small hit in FPS for some games you aren't going to notice much difference.
Linux is slowly becoming DEI too though. But it is definitely a step up from w.
@@korana6308 Linux is slowly becoming DEI? Wtf do those things have to do with one another?
@@thepalemoonlt it means it's slowly merging with Windows and it's policies. It didn't happen yet. But slowly moving in that direction in 10 or so years if nothing changes, it will become a new Windows.
@korana6308 Your statement reflects a complete lack of understanding of the very basic aspects of linux/ Gnu and how open source development works. None of what you're saying is remotely true. Linux is not one homogenous iteration of software, nor is it merging with windows in any meaningful way. The compatibility between the two is made possible, mostly through either hypervisors and virtualization and the reverse engineering of code to provide a compatability layer. The inevitable and almost infinite forks that form from each project means that the idea of it merging with windows is something that will never truly happen. Also, you still didn't explain what on earth it has in common with diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in various institutions and companies. Quite frankly, it would appear that you have no idea what you're actually talking about.
Another supply shortage just in time for launch. Wow, what are the odds of that?
Classic upsell strategy, to squeeze the most money out of every demographic, starting with low stock to force high prices and make rich people spend their money first. Then stock is gradually increased (along with the release of lower-tier products) to eventually sell it to the broader public.
Bot scalping should be completely illegal. It's one thing to stand in a line, buy a couple of something and selling the others to someone who's willing to pay extra. It's another to buy out the entire market so no one has any other option than to pay your scalper prices.
It's inherently unfair as no one can compete with a bot that is capable of clearing an inventory before the page even goes live to human buyers.
womp womp seems like someone is illiterate and cant make a 10 minute scalping bot
Well, when Americans wanna vote for a raider capitalist who wants to slash funding, it will only make the problem worse. Get ready for Great Depression 2.0 because that's the only thing Trump's tariffs will bring. And, in spite of the horrible midair collision in DC, absolutely nothing will be done to improve safety.
We still got 5080 in Brazil because we're too poor to buy them 😂
Is a bad gpu ether way
lol
😂😢 tadinho, quantos reais??
dam yall have 5080 and 5090 there but we dont crazy
Third world multicultural hell hole
These aren't "sold out". They're just "out". There were maybe 500 total 5090s available for the NA market. They were functionally never even in stock in the first place.
My 4090 has stopped boosting to 2950mhz.
It's hitting 2800 max since the last couple of weeks. 360 watts max when I have seen 450 Watts previously.
Gotten several blue screens (page fault in non paged area) too which I absolutely never get.
I'm highly cynical that there's some driver manipulation going on to make the 50 series more favourable.
Me too, when i update driver i cant play game with 3000mhz on my 4090 suprim x
cynical is one thing to be, but, tinfoil, i dont think so. if you see only 360w max now, i smells like power delivery issue. not driver. maybe sillicon degradation from an awful sillicon lottery with awful ASIC quality which nvidia OVERBOOSTED to begin with, basically some sort of gpuboost issue maybe that now caused hardware issues? nvidia doesnt dare doing stuff like driver downgrading on that sorta thing because that could involve classaction lawsuits. i do not believe the tinfoil hat driver downgrade stuff. its been debunked plenty of times that nvidia drivers dont make cards slower to sell you a new one. they already do that with the VRAM remember? (sorry for several replies and edits, m adhd is pretty hardcore lately)
Have no issue with my 4090 at all
try older driver and test it and post it here again. would be very interesting. thats some sherlock holmes stuff😅
@@KingShotgunHobo Probably from my understanding 4090s have been nuking themselves for forever so this isn't a massive surprise unfortunately.
Problem is NVIDIA stopped making the 4000 series. So those building a new PC need one.
The used market just exists.
@@fireflythe7Except due to the stoppage of 40 series manufacturing and the low yields of 50 series so far means used 40 series can still go for MSRP and way way above still.
@@fireflythe7 I can't even get a USED 4090 at or below MSRP!!
@@fireflythe7 A 4090 is 3.5 grand...
@@goldenhate6649 a 7900xtx is 870
I mean if you're coming for 4000 series its stupid to buy it but if you upgrading from GTX 1070 its another story.
Even from the 30x series it'd be worth upgrading. The games this year are going to be heavy on performance.
I tested the Monster Hunter Wilds demo on my 3080 and I was baffled at how low frame rates I was getting at 1080p, without FG. It was just absurd.
The game comes out in less than a month and I doubt it'll be much better, considering FG is a recommended setting by default.
Nah, you're still stupid. You're better off waiting for AMD because the 9070 XT is a beast.
still stupid to buy.
price for performance
either AMD 9000 line or 3,4000s series is way way way better.
@@user-fy7ri8gu8l it is harder to get a 4080 at a decent price rather than a 5080 here.... i've been waiting years to upgrade my pc. im not going to not upgrade because some people say it's not efficient when i'm using a fucking 1080ti. it's only a stupid buy if u already have a 40 series. u don't get it do u?
From what I can tell is there was NEVER any stock
That's because they gave it away
They did the same thing with the 4080 and 4090. Intentionally limited stock to keep demand and prices high. This time around it's actually worse though.
EVGA was right all along... they would rather die a hero
If I were a retailer, I would totally now pretend I sold out on day 1 and wait for buyers to get restless and add it back to the store later at higher price.
You have the right attitude! You would do fine in the dealership market!
The point is quite many of those ebay selling are gpus that dealers from computer stores did buy themselves before launch and are now selling in ebay at ”desent” 100%+ profit! Good salary for 1 minute work!
I don't understand why we are supporting this kind of market like it's acceptable thing to do@@haukikannel
The GPU market needs to heal...
Disappointed in gamers Nexus take that it’s because of tariffs, which gives them the out that they need.
If they’re afraid of tariffs that haven’t yet happened, wouldn’t they be hitting the market even harder right now? To try and get as much as they could?
It’s the opposite. They have no competition, they know it, so they’re doing scummy business practices that are anti-consumer.
You can’t buy a 5090 right now, but all of your favorite content creators have six, and you can go out and spend essentially $4000 on computer components that are only worth less than 1000, being your only way to get a 5090 right now. Pre-order it into March for only 6500!!! Wtf
It’s so stupid and convoluted and it’s intentionally done. They haven’t just suddenly stopped producing the 4000 series either. Those things haven’t been made for seemingly a long time and that’s why their prices were artificially inflating as well instead of deflating.
TLDR I agree with Vex’s take and I’m glad he has the stones to say it. I’m tired of these other content creators who have all of these cards that nobody else can buy just dodging the topic because they want to continue the gravy train.
So Nvidia is deliberately shorting the supply until March when AMD release their new GPU so they can suffocate them? I hate capitalism.
dude... gamer nexus bend the knee to Nvidia... the hypocrisy is crazy. I never trusted nexus
0:25 That person selling the RTX 5080 for $4,849.99 had some low ratings. Careful that you don't get scammed out there.
If you pay that for a RTX 5080 or even a 5090 for that matter you deserve to get scammed lol
@@virtuaconker85 To be fair that does sound like more money than sense.
Heh! Pay $5000 to be scammed and not get the GPU! That is a good joke to customer who did use that money!
😂😂😂
Lesson… Don´t buy scalpers. Don´t buy from individual sellers unless you can chect the product and check that it works and is what seller claim!
Idk, if you're dumb enough to pay 4x for this you deserve it at this point.
Jeez ur dense lol
My next door neighbor is very set on getting a 5090. He asked if I was going to get one, and I answered that I had a 7900XTX and that I was good for now. "You don't care about Ray tracing" he says. Granted, he has a 3090ti so it would be a decent upgrade in performance for him, and for me too, but $4000.. no thanks
i would be happy with a 3090 ti.im still rocking the 3080 ftw3 evga 10 gig still pull 200 frames on bfv at 2560 by 1440 ill pass.new cards way to much money
@@johnhanson4795 Yeah. I'm still good on my 3080. Does the job.
3060ti here. I want a 5090 but I’ll wait until I can grab a FE at msrp. I just don’t understand why Nvidia does this. 250 5090’s for the entire US? I have some theories. But there’s no excuse to treat your customers like that.
@@catsooeyI might need crazy, but I'm not sure you're ever GOING to get one at retail price at this point. Nvidia doesn't seem to want you to.
@@catsooey don’t spend 2k on that junk. It’s barely worth 1k.
It’s literally the South Park episode where cartman buys a theme park and doesn’t let anyone in to ride the rides propping up fake demand for a shitty park.
12:10 your cat was struggling to jump on the bed lol
In my country, not even one has been sold yet.
Same, here in the US.
@@ilbro7874I mean, no store has ever sold even one
Lithuania, very likely same.
In my country this cost as much as a Motorbike
I think some westerners would be happy to travel to your country just to buy a unit for them to scalp, if you mention what it is.
Classic corporate move, the same thing happened in 2021 with the 3000 series when i purchased a 3070. The bossman said that they are producing it "at a very large scale" when he made the initial announcement and suddenly there is nothing on the market :))
Why sell the chips to GPU makers, when you can sell the same chip to an AI Bro who pays 30x as much per chip and buys them by the pallet.
Maybe not anymore, deepseek is gonna bust that AI bubble these companies created.
@@roccociccone597 Until it gets shut down over AI Bro Thieves and Plagiarisers whining that they got the stuff they made with stolen training data stolen from them.
@@roccociccone597Don't worry, the US is going to find a way to ban Deepseek even though is open source.
The real reason why AMD delayed the 9070XT is because they knew Nvidia would have a paper launch and felt no need to rush.
They fucked up on pricing thats why. Theyre reevaluating and working with retailers. Idk if its true but the og pricing was supposed to be $800 for the 9070XT now supposedly its dropping to around $550-$600 again im not sure how true this is but we'll see.
We had leaks that AMD would launch 21.01. At this day we even get "buy 9070xt now" ads. AMD was scared by 5070 and ti prices, not some random paper launch
@Chrisp707 If performance is close to the 5080. It should be priced between the 5080 and 5070. So can easily be the middle ground of 750 or 800.
Nope. They wanted people to see sky high prices (if you can even find any) and now they can up their prices too when they launch and still look like great value.
This happens literally every time new GPUs come out. Greedy people snatch them up just to resell them for way more money on top of normal people buying them up. Later, the stock situation improves and prices also improve. I always wait a year or so before getting any new GPU. That allows time for problems to be fixed aswell as stock and prices.
Thats what they learned during the pandemic. That was the last time they were selling Gpus for a reasonable price... then they saw what scalpers did and thought... why let scalpers do it and make the money... let us do it alone.
People can't admit it's their fault they bought those stupid pandemic price cards that we ended up in this position.
Don't forget about ETH mining boom
>ad makes a blunt pun
>picture of a Marijuana leaf
>'don't drive high'
"Hmm must be a drunk driving ad"
Lmfao
he specifically said these are the NEW drunk driving ads bro
People need to stop simping for GPU's. Even if you have the money its just silly to be waiting in line for one.
At 2:30, he mentions that there 40 series graphics cards available, albeit slightly above MSRP, but there are not. Actually click the buy button and see that ALL of them are out of stock on every single website. Nvidia are assholes
You know, at this point people need to just learn to say no to these prices, and not get played. Here I am with a gtx 1070 thinking I may upgrade, but seeing both scalpers and nvidia limited supplied, they're part of the problem too so I will wait more years.. no problem!
You can do whatever you want bud. The fact of the matter is that manufacturing prices are going up. It doesn't matter what you demand. It's impossible make a super cheap GPU with super high performance.
@@21area21It went up by like 200 300$ cost per gpu since 1000 series and that's for high wattage big die ones like 80 and 90 series otherwise it went up as little by 100$ or less but prices doubled specs got nearly halved just compare the core percentages compared to older gens you are getting r***ed off bud.
@@cin2110 yes, but you have to factor in the insane amounts that have to go into r&d and get amortized in the cost of each unit...
How can you even play games with a card that outdated? You must be playing like 10 year old games on the lowest settings
Let’s hope the 9070xt will be a good deal.
This why competition is critical for the consumer. When you have only 1 company competing, you get exactly this.
I think the real reason, is that Nvidia prioritized literal Governments over the average consumer
Yeah but even reviewers wont acknowledge this as the real reason. Probably aren't supposed to. Notice how reviewers got one? yet nobody else can.
I got my tinfoil hat wheres yours?
@@VioFax If you were Nvidia marketing and you had some really cool graphics cards but only made liked 500, what would you have done?
It is a big technological achievement, so it makes sense to say "fk it. We made some dope cards. Lets get them in reviewers hands so they can get excited. The production is fked because everyone's out partying for Chinese new year. But fk it, preventing reviewers from seeing it is literally going to be bad foreveryone".
Also, if you were a contractor building houses, and you could put about the same amount of effort to build a house for a millionare and make a killing, or build 2 low income housing and make pennies, which would you realistically choose. And what would most people choose? Nobody is a charity. We all want to do the right thing, but when the differenced in reward is SO overwhelming, you can't blame someone for going with the better reward.
That's what's going on between the consumer cards and the enterprise systems. All the money is in enterprise AI computing, so we are kinda an afterthought. It's nobody's fault. If consumers were richer and able to afford a lot more money for graphics cards, then Nvidia would have more financial interest in serving us.
Anyone who has been buying cards at launch since 2016 is completely used to this. The launch number of 5090’s and 5080 data has been out for at least a day+(writing this early into your vid, I assume your gonna cover it)… this isn’t the first paper launch from Nvidia, and it definitely won’t be the last….i wish the damned 9070xt would drop so I can see if my next card is gonna be a used 4090 or new 9070xt/7900xtx/rtx5080
Well the 9070 is hopefully gonna be around $500-$600 so don't waste your money on an XTX which are still going for around $800. It's also supposed to have far better RT performance than any previous AMD card as well but if I were you I'd look into a 4080 super that was used for a good price because you're never gonna find a 5080 for MSRP and the $400 extra isn't worth the non-existent uplift.
Xtx or used 4090 at a decent price only way to go don't bother waiting.
@@michaelgalloway1359lol what a L take. The xt is gonna be closer to 800$ AND it’ll be slower than the xtx WITH less ram as well. The obvious answer is xtx or 4090
Dude yall are telling this man to
Find a used 4090?!?!? Good luck the pricing on those are ass as well lol
I would get an xtx cuz 4090 prices are still kinda ass. Don't bother with waiting, with either xtx or 4090 you'll have a beast gpu
Here in Czech Republic I've found one scalped 5080, but apart from that all stores are out of stock.
I just saw one lucky person get an RTX 4090 on an eBay auction for $1000. But it looks like the panic selling period has now ended so, no more $1000 RTX 4090s.
1000 for a last gen used card is still insane. Honestly id rather have a new 5080 even if it’s slightly slower
GPU's are about to be as much as a used car.
The seller will probably refuse to sell it at that price and just relist it in a few days.
@@codycast You're kidding me, right? The 4090 smokes the 5080, and has more VRAM. Considering that these cards wont sell at MSRP anyways, $1000 is really what most 5070 Tis will sell at.
That might be just a cooler and pcb with it's gpu and memory removed that scam is going around for 4090s
Depending on the price.
Nvidia might have just set up the perfect
playground for AMD>
If their card comes out with a lower price, FSR4, better RT, and the speed of around a 7900xt-7900xtx.
it could be a big time winner.
AMD IS NOT COMPETEING IN THE HIGH END...there is no better at a lower price. and AMD cannot even keep stock on the 9800x3d, they are just as bad TBFH. stop sucking their wang.
@@KingShotgunHobo
"nobody wants fsr though"
You mean FSR3? yeah you're right.
FSR4 tho, looks just as good as DLSS from what we've seen of the demo so far.
It also works with any fsr 3.1 title, doesn't need to be implemented.
everything else you said is based on a different architecture.
We have to wait for the release, for the reviews :)
No one can say what anything is until that happens.
So long as they don't drop the ball, the 9070xt will sell very very well. Including the 9070.
@@KingShotgunHobowich cpu are you using?
@@KingShotgunHobo I’d rather have a 9070xt even without fsr 4 than give ngreedia money. I give intel and AMD money for gpus.
lolol amd wont do shit to capitalize.
I was at the Sharonville launch, the last person to get a 5080 was directly infront of me after I waited 3 hours lmfao
No I am thinking Steve hit the nail on the head, they rushed these to market, Jay2Cents squeezed a ton of performance out of a 5080 on OCing just by a little OC and a better fan curve. I think 1- They are rushing them to get more profit margins before Tariffs hit, and as well they wanted the partner models out before CES, I do not think its a great time to buy also 2- you have Chinese Lunar New Year its 30 days of no manufacturing, which is why you shouldn't put all your global manufacturing in 1 place in the world, its honestly amateur as hell just to save a couple bucks on labor when freight shipping from china basically excludes any actual gains due to the oversaturated shipping capacity. 3- they wanted to beat AMD to the punch just in case they can steal high end buyers from AMDs no halo products release.
5080 was out of stock within 1 minute. Glad there was postings on ebay for 2.5k for a 5080 within 15 minutes tho.
@@negativaura glad ?
Dark times for PC gaming.
@@acidwizard6528 I mean not really just do it right and smart … that’s like me buying a tee shirt from Walmart plain white tee slapping a “ supreme stich on it “ and calling it as good as the original…
@@therealperco probably sarcasm
Best Buy was out of all gpus in seconds as i added to cart within seconds...
I like the misinformation. The supply is not there because of the chinese holidays. The factories shut down during this time. Think why AMD delayed their launch, do your job.
This video contains misinformation. Deepseek is trained on nvidia gpus
It's Chinese New Years. They couldn't restock the graphics cards if they wanted to. The factories are shut down right now.
Good timing to release a GPU
yep like everytime
Excuses are like b holes bud everyone got one and everyone thinks everyone else’s stinks…
Deepseek was trained on 50,000 nvidia cards. Cheaper cards than the 4090, but still trained with CUDA.
It's goofy that people started saying otherwise.
$5,300 for a 5090? But..., Remember, it's going into a $10,000 PC.
I will never pay more than MSRP. Ever.
They already sold them… in mass to the big corpos…. They are Nvidia’s real customers, not us plebs.
Do you want to seel GOUs at low profit (gamers) or high profit (corporates)?
I would take higher profit any day!
It is like asking people who looks for job. Do you want to take this job 10$/hour or the same job in this company $100/hour? Ofcourse you take the better offer! Nvidia is not stupid, it takes the better offer any day!
0:35 why would nvidia make a card that costs them more to make (increase ram:cores) when no matter what they make people STILL buy it.
Nvidia can basically punk the market by making a slower card and people will still wait in line. Or pay 2x MSRP to scalpers
People need to stop blaming nvidia and start blaming consumers
3:07 100% accurate meme.
It won’t surprise me if Nvidia purposefully released very limited stock to not only price control but to attract investors - stating that the company is doing very well since their new products always get “sold out, seconds within releasing them”.
It's annoying that all new 5080's were probably bought out by reviewers and gamers already rocking 4080/4090's on their high-end pc's and giving them a bad review compared to their current setup, when people on lower tier cards like a 20-series just want a better card overall and don't have access to it now.
Im on a 2080 and was in the market for an upgrade, but just wait for a 5080ti or something. Dont even consider buying this crap.
7:16 usually yeah, but this time, everyone knows nvidia busted the launch and it was basicly a paper launch
Here's the problem. I pre ordered the new ROG 27' 4k 240Hz QD-OLED with DP 2.1, thinking I would surely be able to secure a 5090. The money wasn't an issue, so I wasn't worried. I showed up to microcenter in St. Davids PA at 10:00 PM the night before and was over 80th in line. The store received 4 5090's. Now not only can my rig not run at 4k whatsoever but I can't even get a 4090 because its only capable of DP 1.4 without display stream compression (not to mention the low stock and ABSURD prices). I was so excited and now I feel betrayed by NVIDIA. Not fair. I don't want to return this awesome monitor because in the back of my mind I still have hope I can somehow acquire a 5090. I have a job and I cannot dedicate my every waking hour into checking stock and frankly I can't spend $4k-8k on a scalped card. Gaming is truly the only thing I enjoy and now I can't have that because of NVIDIA's ego.
New Transformer DLSS Model is more expensive to run. Ray Reconstruction on 20-30 series leads to a massive 30% FPS drop, but only 5% on 40-50 series. So all that pro-consumer behaviour could be just NVIDIA knowingly lowering your FPS so you decide to upgrade sooner.
DLSS looks like ass and I'm convinced people are deluding themselves into thinking it doesn't, I don't get why it's such a marketed feature.
@@handledeeznutz109It looks ok at 4k it's a$$ anything below fsr is even worse.
@handledeeznutz109 TAA is forced which looks worse. Scalers used as bandaid. Forget channel but a dev has made this topic his channel. Basically modern devs and unreal are bad and dumb. He posted in unreal forums about issues but was entirely ignored.
A local store has a display sample 5090, first thing, they are HUGE. Second; Frame gen looks pretty bad, with the artifacting but I guess the upscaling was slightly better?
Gaming and the PC market is really becoming worse and worse
So would you rather have the option to have a worse version or none at all? Only idiots expect there to be no downside or no scaling between older gpus.
Saying worse cards getting worse performance out of a feature designed for more recent cards is "manufactured " is braindead to me. 20/30 series users got something, and you still complain. Features that you don't see a need in will always have people who use them. Stop being close-minded bro.
The irony is the RTX 5090 pricing at 5.000$ AUD in most Australia retailers. At this point you should go out and buy a used 4090 3.000$ cheaper if you don't care about Multi Frame Generation and the BS 30% uplift in performance lmao...
The stupid high pricing I’m seeing for 4000 series cards still make 5000 seem reasonable.
Bro for that kind of money I could buy a used car and drive it for the next 10 years
Well 5000 Australian $ is a good price -> 2500 USD thats good deal
@ $2500 USD is a “good deal” for a video card now?
@ that was the same price for 4090. And for 5090 2500 $$$ Is excellent price, you know why? In EU you can not find one 5090 at all, and if youbfind one it cost 4000-5000 €€€, do you know how to convert 5000€ in Australian $?
Artificial scarcity is absolutely a real thing. It's not a fake conspiracy theory. Nintendo does it all the time and WILL ABSOLUTELY DO IT to the switch 2.
the 5000 series is not for game its for our future ai overlords
skynet is coming
6:26 And this is how you create price inflation.
Why would nvidia intentionally waste fab space and silicon making gaming GPUs when they can make around 10-20 times the profit by making enterprise GPUs from the same die instead? Their gaming GPUs are just faulty datacentre GPUs that they couldn't otherwise sell, and production is limited by the defect rate of the die fab process, which is now quite mature since it's still TSMC 4N FinFET, so the defect rate is relatively low. it's not some giant conspiracy.
What a great 4090Ti and 4080Ti launch...
My 7900 xtx with a little undervolt and some memory tweaking and an overclock absolutely crushes every other card that benchmarks except the 4090. I paid 799 for it. No driver issues, no instability.
No ray tracing, no dlss
That's quite a deal. Where I live the XTX is still USD $1000+ unfortunately, actually went up a bit recently
@ You sound jealous. Calling me a shill because I state facts. Nvidia cards have features that are superior to AMD cards. That is a fact. Nvidia cards also run games at higher frame rates than AMD cards. Another fact.
@ the 7900 xtx obliterates the 4080, which are the same price point. AMD does not offer a card at the price point or capacity of a 4090 or 5090. The 7900 xtx cards have more ram, giving them a longer lifespan. If you want to spend a non trivial 20-50% percent more for a change the human eye can't perceive, that's on you. If you actually need the horsepower a 4090 provides, then there's no alternative and you are just going to pay for absolutely atrocious price to performance.
@@AzzieHalla You sound jealous of my RTX 4090 that wipes the floor with your card in raw performance. The thing you care most about. I also have WAY better HDR than you do. Oh and Nvidia cards are superior for content creation and streaming. Something that most people do these days.
DeepSeek wasnt trained with high end Nvidia hardware?
Their paper said they used a cluster of 2048 H800 gpu's.
Although this is significantly less hardware than the previous top-dogs its still very much based on Nvidia tech.
5000 series was sold out to create artificial hype/demand around these cards. Ever since 20 series, nvidia has locked features like dlss and rt behind certain generations of cards. Said features have created FOMO within the community.
20 series was first with dlss and rt. There was no generation before that with these features. The tech was said to be revolutionary, but fell short because it was first gen tech. You overpaid to be an early adopter of dlss and rt. 20 series adopters felt like total fools when 30 series came out with dlss and rt improvements at cheaper prices.
Take the 3070 vs 2080 ti for example. Both have basically the same rasterized performance with the 3070 on faster and newer generation technology at a far cheaper price. The 3070 was the better deal at msrp. The deal got even sweeter with the 3080 vs the 2080 ti if you got one at msrp.
TLDR: Nvidia can create FOMO because of their market share. They couldn't get away with small generation gains without high market share. Vote with your wallets people!
The people who are all hysterical about a fucking computer part need to be declared incompetent adults
The 3080 and 3090 sold out on launch as well. Within minutes of release. Same with 4080 and 4090. It's almost as if there are too many customers to feed.